Monday speculation post and comment thread

DMZ · January 25, 2010 at 7:55 am · Filed Under Mariners 

The M’s seem to need and be looking for (one or both of) an additional starting pitcher of modest talent (since with current MLB playoff scheduling you barely need two SPs once you get there) and a right-handed outfielder you can play part-time and who can field well.

And possibly a catcher on a short deal.

However… we’ve seen that what the front-office really likes to do is make some crazy awesome “win-win” move that hasn’t even been speculated about yet.

So: what could the next move possibly be, then? You want:
1. Plausibility (Cards aren’t going to give up Pujols)
2. Awesomeness
3. Lack of previous predictions by punditry
4. And a full ten points for style

Comments

168 Responses to “Monday speculation post and comment thread”

  1. Leroy Stanton on January 25th, 2010 8:03 am

    Jesus Guzman, recently DFA’d by the Giants. Admittedly, he’s pretty low on the “awesomeness” scale. On the plus side, he’s exhibited offensive potential and he’s able to play many positions (1B/2B/3B/OF). On the minus side, he can’t play any of those positions well and possibly not even adequately.

  2. PhilKenSebben on January 25th, 2010 8:07 am

    You know this post means that MLBTR will have “Mariners close to deal for Pujols” soon now.

  3. Leroy Stanton on January 25th, 2010 8:12 am

    DMZ, I don’t see the need for another catcher. They’ve already signed Josh Bard, Guillermo Quiroz, and Eliezer Alfonzo for depth behind Rob Johnson and Adam Moore.

  4. Willmore2000 on January 25th, 2010 8:19 am

    Ben Francisco & Jamie Moyer for a prospect and a refund on Moyer’s AARP membership.

  5. zzyzx on January 25th, 2010 8:26 am

    If we speculate about a possibility, does that mean it can no longer happen by rule 3?

  6. ira on January 25th, 2010 8:33 am

    A couple of weeks before we traded for Milton Bradley, media reports citing Mariner sources claimed that the M’s had no interest in Milton Bradley. More recently I’ve read that the M’s have no interest in Johnny Gomes. Does that mean that he’s next on our list?

  7. Leroy Stanton on January 25th, 2010 8:36 am

    More recently I’ve read that the M’s have no interest in Johnny Gomes. Does that mean that he’s next on our list?

    I think Marcus Thames would be a little higher on the list. Gomes is more limited defensively.

  8. mebpenguin on January 25th, 2010 8:45 am

    Mark Lowe and B prospect to Cincinnati for Aaron Harang and $6 million.

    Sign Tatis

  9. ManifestDestiny on January 25th, 2010 8:49 am

    Gomes? Thames? Tatis?

    Pshaw you’re all thinking too small.

    Howsabout Lowe, Lopez, Halman and one of Vargas/Fister/French to Kansas City for David DeJesus and Alberto Callaspo.

  10. mebpenguin on January 25th, 2010 8:50 am

    Oops, realized Harang is making less than I thought, reduce the money coming back from Cincy to $3-$4 million instead.

  11. Sportszilla on January 25th, 2010 8:55 am

    Funny, I was about to recommend Harang as well. Cincinnati probably underrates him, and after signing Chapman I have my doubts they want to pay three starting pitchers $10 mil or more this year. Not sure Lowe and a B prospect is enough to bring back Harang and change, but I’d do a happy dance if it did.

  12. MarinerManMatt on January 25th, 2010 8:57 am

    Not so sure about the payroll limitations, but trading for Josh Willingham, and signing Sheets and Hudson would be a pretty awesome way to finish off the off season.

  13. Mini Mogul on January 25th, 2010 9:04 am

    What did you say?……Grady Sizemore is coming to town?!?!

    Sizemore seems like he can’t be touched but looking at the Indians roster, how in the world can they compete anytime soon? That might make Sizemore expendable if Big Z gets out his googly eyes that other MLB GM’s seem to fall for every time. I don’t know what the package would look like but it would maybe go something like: Saunders, Lowe, and Tui or Triunfel (you can insert other names if you think you see a better fit, don’t get too caught up on the names).

    We don’t need 2 RH set up guys so Lowe is expendable and then we sign Beimel, Lopez gets traded in a deal for an SP (Liriano would still be awesome), and we sign Hudson or Filipe Lopez.

    Bradley gets pushed to DH, and Griffey becomes a pinch hitter mostly which is what he should be!

    It’s hard to imagine Sizemore being on the block but I think it’s possible, awesome, not mentioned before, and maybe only an 8 on style points for a decent but not epic delivery. It would only be a 7, but I did reference Big Z’s “googly eyes” which I think is worth 1 bonus point?

  14. maqman on January 25th, 2010 9:08 am

    I think the DeJesus and Callaspo suggestion has legs. They are among KC’s better remaining players so their time there is probably limited. A couple of B prospects and a package of chocolate chip cookies should tempt them. However please allow me to be the first to suggest Gabe Gross, available now in the Free Agent aisle. Despite what you haven’t heard, he’s still available for probably less than the going rate per WAR and he can catch the ball too, what’s not to like?

  15. HighBrie on January 25th, 2010 9:11 am

    I like the Rays as a trade partner. They need relief help, and have spare parts at starting pitching and outfield.

    I’d like:
    Fernando Perez OF (bats S), Sean Rodriguez (2B, bats R), and Wade Davis (RHP) from Rays
    for Lopez, Lowe, Poythress, and Josh Fields.+

    but Perez for Fields would be fine.

  16. Arron on January 25th, 2010 9:11 am

    Rosterbation encouraged? I like it…

    1) Halman for Swisher straight up.

    2) Lowe, Lopez, Johnson and 1 or more B level prospect(s) to Houston for Roy Oswalt

  17. rerantz on January 25th, 2010 9:11 am

    Saunders, Bradley, Adam Moore, Josh Fields, and cash to the Rays for Upton, Burrell, and Navarro.

    Rays are ramping up for one more run at the AL East before their fire sale so I don’t think Crawford or Pena are on the block yet but their relations with Upton are strained (haggling over $300k in arbitration) and they might not be able to afford his number next year either. They get a DH who can play the OF in Bradley, and future starters at OF, C, and closer in Saunders, Moore, and Fields. M’s get a full time LF who is an excellent defender and patient at the plate, a RH power bat at DH, and a short term upgrade at catcher to platoon with Rob Johnson. The key is how much the Rays still value Upton or not and if they feel Jennings is ready to replace him.

  18. heyoka on January 25th, 2010 9:16 am

    Ken Phelps for Jay Buhner?

  19. BobbyAyalaFan4Life on January 25th, 2010 9:19 am

    Two scenarios around Detroit, who could seem to use a more established second baseman:
    Flip Lopez to Detroit for someone like Scherzer (of course this would require significant additional pieces and is unlikely since he was the centerpiece of their return from Arizona for Edwin Jackson, but would max me out on the awesome scale and the Jack-Z-As-Ninja scale), or more realistically a Porcello (which would come at a significant cost) or Galarraga (who could be had cheaper coming off a down year) or someone like that. Heck, I’d really like to see Bonderman, but the money doesn’t line up right.

    The Nats are also thin at 2B, so maybe a Lopez-headed trade again that could land (realistically, pre-Jack-Z definition) a John Lannan or Scott Olsen, or to again max out the stealth and awesome stylings of Jack Z, Jordan Zimmerman (again, this would require a bigger package than Lopez plus one).

    The ultimate in Jack Z. roster ninja-ry though? Watch him work his magic to send a Lopez, a High Level prospect or two plus some more to Arizona for Brandon Webb, who all speculation is pointing at not being in Arizona after this season anyway. He’d likely be similar to Cliff Lee, a la a one-year rental, but what a rental it could be! Felix, Lee, Webb, RRS, Snell. The end. Obviously, this one has the least likely realistic possibility of these three in my mind, but then again, isn’t that what we’re loving Jack Z so much for?

  20. Arron on January 25th, 2010 9:21 am

    Triunfel, Cortes, Peredes and Fields to Florida for Ricky Nolasco and Dan Uggla (DH).

  21. BobbyAyalaFan4Life on January 25th, 2010 9:21 am

    Houston and Tampa need no Jose Lopez…the other team still has to want/need what were selling.

  22. TumwaterMike on January 25th, 2010 9:29 am

    Since we’re only speculating, How about Jose Lopez and Mark Lowe and maybe a prospect to the Rays for Ben Zobrist. He’s a switch hitter who can play 2b and LF.

  23. Leroy Stanton on January 25th, 2010 9:31 am

    However please allow me to be the first to suggest Gabe Gross, available now in the Free Agent aisle. Despite what you haven’t heard, he’s still available for probably less than the going rate per WAR and he can catch the ball too, what’s not to like?

    He’s LH. Other than that, he works as a part-time OF.

  24. smb on January 25th, 2010 9:31 am

    M’s tempt Grant Desme out of retirement with an M’s-themed Popemobile with his name and number on it and trade a lifetime’s worth of Entertainment brand discount books to the A’s for his rights. And Jack Z continues to amaze and dazzle.

  25. Leroy Stanton on January 25th, 2010 9:34 am

    The ultimate in Jack Z. roster ninja-ry though? Watch him work his magic to send a Lopez, a High Level prospect or two plus some more to Arizona for Brandon Webb, who all speculation is pointing at not being in Arizona after this season anyway. He’d likely be similar to Cliff Lee, a la a one-year rental, but what a rental it could be! Felix, Lee, Webb, RRS, Snell. The end. Obviously, this one has the least likely realistic possibility of these three in my mind, but then again, isn’t that what we’re loving Jack Z so much for?

    This trade is far more realistic than getting Rick Porcello.

  26. Leroy Stanton on January 25th, 2010 9:36 am

    M’s tempt Grant Desme out of retirement…

    Good idea! He might like the challenge of saving Milton Bradley.

  27. BobbyAyalaFan4Life on January 25th, 2010 9:37 am

    This trade is far more realistic than getting Rick Porcello.

    Ya…he was probably the biggest reach (along with Scherzer) that I allowed myself to make. Galarraga would probably be the only real option from Detroit (unless we wanted to try to resurrect the D-Train here…which I for one do not).

  28. ManifestDestiny on January 25th, 2010 9:37 am

    Maybe we need to clarify just what Lopez and Lowe are worth, since they seem to be the cornerstone of most of these mostly-preposterous trade proposals

  29. TumwaterMike on January 25th, 2010 9:39 am

    Ken Phelps for Jay Buhner?

    How about Buhner for Phelps and George Costanza can get his job back.

  30. Leroy Stanton on January 25th, 2010 9:45 am

    We could always get Miguel Cabrera. I think his price is down to Garrett Olson. :)

  31. mebpenguin on January 25th, 2010 9:46 am

    Maybe we need to clarify just what Lopez and Lowe are worth, since they seem to be the cornerstone of most of these mostly-preposterous trade proposals

    3-4 Wins under team control past this season, nothing to sneeze at.

  32. heyoka on January 25th, 2010 9:47 am

    how about Babe Ruth to the Yankees for $100,000?

  33. Sidi on January 25th, 2010 9:48 am

    I think there’s obviously only one trade that fits all of these criteria.

    He’s going to trade the moose for a laser-based system that incinerates home runs. It will be set to incinerate all home runs so it is fair to both teams (or, at least isn’t quite as bad as the Green Monster).

    Ground rules will be, of course, that any incinerated ball is a double. Then we’ll have a fun, fan friendly competition to name this new mascot.

  34. tmac9311 on January 25th, 2010 9:57 am

    I was going to suggest Corey Patterson to be our fourth outfielder to save a little money, but then i looked it up and found out he is
    1. Left Handed
    2. Been awful the past two years

    I like to still try for Liriano, there’s talks about him not even starting I guess, so he may come a little cheap, though it still probably cost Lopez and something.

  35. mattlock on January 25th, 2010 10:03 am

    tmac9311,

    I was going to suggest Corey Patterson to be our fourth outfielder to save a little money, but then i looked it up and found out he is
    1. Left Handed
    2. Been awful the past two years

    I like to still try for Liriano, there’s talks about him not even starting I guess, so he may come a little cheap, though it still probably cost Lopez and something.

    Um, I’m hoping this is an attempt at humor, in which case, bravo, that was chuckle-worthy.

    If not, and you were serious, what hole have you been hibernating in?? :D

  36. Mike Snow on January 25th, 2010 10:03 am

    I was going to suggest Corey Patterson to be our fourth outfielder to save a little money, but then i looked it up and found out he is
    1. Left Handed
    2. Been awful the past two years

    3. Already signed by the team to a minor league contract and invited to spring training

  37. JH on January 25th, 2010 10:07 am

    This is not a very sexy possibility, and I’m sure Zduriencik has something much more creative in mind, but as far as a baseline option with talent currently in-house goes I wouldn’t be surprised to see them work out Tuiasosopo in the outfield. He’s righthanded, can spell infielders, has a bit of offensive potential, and his tools have always screamed corner-OF to me. Obviously there are better options, but with Hall gone Tui’s the only guy in the organization who’s pretty much MLB-ready and fits the profile of someone who can help in the infield and the outfield.

  38. luckyscrubs on January 25th, 2010 10:07 am

    Lopez to the Nats seems to make a lot of sense for them. It’s interesting that the day Dave mentions Lopez could be moved shortly the Nats leaked they are willing to trade Josh Willingham and they were considering Orlando Cabrera for 2B. I can’t imagine the Nats are willing to go with Cabrera at second so it’s probably a leak to get Hudson to lower his demands. I think the Nats eventually sign Hudson and we keep Lopez until Ackley shows he is ready.

    And I can’t see many scenarios that end with the M’s signing Sheets unless his rumored salary demands come way down from $7.5 guaranteed plus a player option. In my opinion, if any team is stupid enough to give in those kind of demands for a pitcher that took a year off it would be the Mets.

    If this was still the Bavasi era I would put money on Washburn coming back and someone like Gomes as the RH bat. With Jack Z anything is possible, but I’m sure whatever he does will be surprisingly awesome and creative.

  39. nostrebla on January 25th, 2010 10:09 am

    Jose Lopez, Luke French and Carlos Triunfel for Dan Uggla and Ricky Nolasco.

    I know Uggla just signed a 1 yr deal but everyone knows they’re not gonna give him a longterm contract.

  40. Safeco Hobo on January 25th, 2010 10:12 am

    Sign Johnny Damon with the following contract stipulations:

    - Agrees to rotate with Langerhans and Bradley in the LF and DH spots.

    - Agrees to learn to bat right handed before Spring Training.

    - Agrees to cut all ties with Red Sox and Yankees.

    - Agrees to grow the creepy beard thing again.

  41. F-Rod on January 25th, 2010 10:13 am

    Some sort of bonanza involving a combonation of 1 or 2 of the following Rays:

    Carl Crawford, Carlos Pena, or Pat Burrell. (we don’t want Burrell but may have to take him)

    We would give up a stud reliever or two + something else.

  42. bat guano on January 25th, 2010 10:25 am

    Milton Bradley, Jose Lopez and Rob Johnson to the Dodgers for Manny Ramirez!

  43. Boy9988 on January 25th, 2010 10:29 am

    Well mine is gonna tip the scales of plausibility a little too far, but here we go. To help with the Indians continued rebuilding project and to relieve one of the bigger contracts on their roster, Z sends: Saunders, Fister, and Halman to Cleveland for Sizemore.

  44. TomG on January 25th, 2010 10:30 am

    As far as part-time right-handed outfielders that can hit and field well, what about Matt Diaz of the Braves? Granted his past two seasons afield have been meh (per UZR) but he has a reputation as a competent fielder that can cover all three OF spots, while his bat is a definite plus for a part-time. And, with the Braves suddenly-crowded OF, he might be easy to extract.

  45. DRFelix on January 25th, 2010 10:30 am

    The Tampa Bay thing is interesting, because I heard 3 months ago that they were seriously thinking about moving Zobrist to the OF and opening up 2B.

    So a Lopez trade ++ to TB could workout.

    Hmmmm Jack what do you have up your sleeve this time? I hate the thought of having to take Burrell back in a Crawford trade, but we all know that TB was wanting Bradley really bad too. There are so many different scenarios that could take place just in a TB trade alone it’s mind boggling.

    Hmmmm

  46. loveMeSomeStats on January 25th, 2010 10:33 am

    Did everyone see this interview with Zduriencik:
    link?

    I like the answer to the last question. He talks about all the pieces he has in place for the long haul. By omission, Lopez is definitely going someplace.

  47. Shanfan on January 25th, 2010 10:38 am

    In early March, as the Valley of the Sun fills with the sound of horsehide pounding leather and bats cracking, the shouts of vendors and excited children, the smell of popcorn will drift past the home of a certain recently retired tall hurler who resides there. After a winter off the tug of competition starts to return. Jack and Junior will pay him a visit and speak to him of the glory that awaits a left handed pitcher in a spacious park with the best defense in history and a solid bullpen. They convince his winter-rested body it only needs to go six innings once or twice a week until July (when the recently resigned Bedard is ready to go) and let the other Cy Young candidates on the staff carry the load. The Great Mesmer and the Great Tickler will conjure up visions of an Emerald City where the fans are ready to adore him while he conducts his Great Farewell Tour and quest for rings for a clubhouse without any. He’ll turn to his wife and she’ll say, “Go.” And off into that Arizona sunset will ride The Z, the Kid, and the Unit…in a bullpen cart piloted by a moose.

  48. Steve Nelson on January 25th, 2010 10:44 am

    @boy19988

    Well mine is gonna tip the scales of plausibility a little too far, but here we go. To help with the Indians continued rebuilding project and to relieve one of the bigger contracts on their roster, Z sends: Saunders, Fister, and Halman to Cleveland for Sizemore.

    “Tip the scales of plausibility a little”???

    That’s like CC Sabathia playing teeter-totter with Ramon Santiago.

  49. loveMeSomeStats on January 25th, 2010 10:45 am

    The Z, the Kid, and the Unit…in a bullpen cart piloted by a moose.

    Yes, please. And Jamie too, while we’re at it.

  50. TumwaterMike on January 25th, 2010 10:45 am

    He’ll turn to his wife and she’ll say, “Go.” And off into that Arizona sunset will ride The Z, the Kid, and the Unit…in a bullpen cart piloted by a moose.

    And all will be at peace in Marinerland.

  51. Boy9988 on January 25th, 2010 10:50 am

    @Steve Nelson

    That’s like CC Sabathia playing teeter-totter with Ramon Santiago.

    Are you kidding me? I was thinking more along the lines of dream on, but Saunders and Halman are two of the best prospects in our system. Beyond Ackley and Moore, are their better names to add to the list?

  52. TomG on January 25th, 2010 10:58 am

    Well mine is gonna tip the scales of plausibility a little too far, but here we go. To help with the Indians continued rebuilding project and to relieve one of the bigger contracts on their roster, Z sends: Saunders, Fister, and Halman to Cleveland for Sizemore.

    Jack Z might be omnipotent but even God Himself can’t microwave a burrito so hot that even He can’t eat it.

  53. wsm on January 25th, 2010 11:03 am

    Shawn Kelley and Steven hensley to Arizona for Conor Jackson.

    I’m not sure what Jackson’s role will be in AZ next year. They have LaRoche, Parra, and Young for 1B/LF/CF, but I’m sure Jackson would get plenty of PAs in that mix. Still, Arizona might be willing to move him to clear salary (although we’re past the time where having salary relief will do you much good) and get some younger pieces.

    AZ has Qualls, Heilman, and Howry headed for FA after next year, so Kelley fits their need for a high leverage late inning RP. Hensley is a decent prospect to balance things out.

    I could also see a deal involving Chris Snyder and Rob Johnson worked in, but that would mean Arizona would have to ship in some cash to cover Snyder’s bad deal.

  54. TumwaterMike on January 25th, 2010 11:04 am

    Milton Bradley, Jose Lopez and Rob Johnson to the Dodgers for Manny Ramirez!

    WHY!!!!!!!!!!

  55. TomG on January 25th, 2010 11:12 am

    Sorry, just have to:

    Mariners send Michael Saunders, Ian Snell, Rob Johnson, and Kanekoa Texeira to the Giants for Aaron Roward, Buster Posey and $18MM.

    You get your future catcher and you get your part-time (albeit due to injury) RH-hitting OF with good defense.

    It has:

    1. Plausibility (Brian Sabean hates Buster Posey – how else do you explain Bengie Molina?)
    2. Awesomeness (See: Posey, Buster)
    3. Lack of previous predictions by punditry (yup)
    4. And a full ten points for style (oh yeah!)

    A man can dream, can’t he?

  56. scott19 on January 25th, 2010 11:14 am

    Houston and Tampa need no Jose Lopez

    I don’t know about Houston. Given that some of their roster are about as old as the residents of Jurassic Park these days, J-Lo might actually be a decent fit for that lineup. The only problem is, beyond Oswalt, are any of their “expendable” guys (i.e. those not named Berkman/Lee/Pence) ones that the M’s particularly want/need?

    How about Buhner for Phelps and George Costanza can get his job back.

    That is too funny! :)

  57. TumwaterMike on January 25th, 2010 11:19 am

    Mariners send Michael Saunders, Ian Snell, Rob Johnson, and Kanekoa Texeira to the Giants for Aaron Roward, Buster Posey and $18MM.

    Can you trade Texeira at this point as a Rule 5 pick up?

  58. Bobby on January 25th, 2010 11:21 am

    It might be unreasonable, but I would love to see the M’s pursue Miguel Cabrera. With the Tigers reportedly trying to shed payroll this off season and tensions due to Cabrera’s alcohol problems, one of the game’s best hitters could very well be available. The Tiger’s roster is nearly one of the best in baseball, held back by a few glaring holes – namely at second base and in the bullpen. With Carlos Guillen available to step in at first, Cabrera is an ideal chip to use to fill those gaps.

    Cabrera would give the Mariners two great additions: 1) The RH power bat that everyone has been talking about. 2) Casey Kotchman as bench depth who can step in to play solid defense, give Cabrera a rest (read: if he’s hungover), and pinch hit. This would fill out our line up as well as shoring up our bench, both would help this roster immensely.

    Now to the contract – $20mil/season through 2014 – ouch. This is probably the aspect of the deal that kills it in the real world. But for the sake of this post, let’s pretend that the front office would make it work if the deal is right. So back to this dream scenario: the general consensus has been that the Mariners have roughly $8 million left to spend on the 2010 season. That means we would have to send out about $12 to make it work. Something like Bradley+Lopez would work – giving the Tigers a proven 2B and an OF/DH to fill the gap in the lineup left by Cabrera.

    I would like to see the following:
    -Cabrera+Galarraga for Lopez, Lowe, Snell, and Carp. The Tigers get their 2B and RH Reliever, as well as a prospect (can we still call him that?) 1B to put behind an aging Guillen. The M’s get their power bat and a promising young starter to replace Snell. Snell is in here for his contract, to make the money reasonable for the Mariners. Even so, it leaves the M’s with +$12 million in contract obligations for 2010. But I’d like to think the front office would find a bit more money if it meant bringing in Miguel freaking Cabrera. The Mariners then have SP1, CF, RF, 1B, and 3B locked up with superstars at least through 2012.

    2 years ago, I would’ve laughed off this possibility. In the Z era though, there’s always hope!

  59. TumwaterMike on January 25th, 2010 11:26 am

    He’ll turn to his wife and she’ll say, “Go.” And off into that Arizona sunset will ride The Z, the Kid, and the Unit…in a bullpen cart piloted by a moose.

    And all will be at peace in Marinerland.

    Maybe Peter Jackson can produce and direct the movie.

  60. Mike Snow on January 25th, 2010 11:30 am

    Can you trade Texeira at this point as a Rule 5 pick up?

    Yes, he simply remains subject to the Rule 5 provisions with his new team.

  61. thebigp708 on January 25th, 2010 11:30 am

    Randy Johnson. Bring that scowling old goat back and let him be the fifth starter. Does anyone really believe that a broken down, over the hill Unit is any worse than Olson/French/Vargas?

    I didn’t go through all the previous posts so someone might have already said it. To me, bring the Big Mullet back to the Pac NW is a perfect fit.

  62. MarinerManMatt on January 25th, 2010 11:33 am

    Are you making some weird sarcastic remark, or did you honestly not hear about the big unit retiring?

  63. TumwaterMike on January 25th, 2010 11:36 am

    Can you trade Texeira at this point as a Rule 5 pick up?

    Yes, he simply remains subject to the Rule 5 provisions with his new team.

    Thanks Mike, I didn’t know that.

  64. wabbles on January 25th, 2010 11:43 am

    Ken Phelps for Jay Buhner?

    Buhner in 1987: .227 AVG, .261 OBP, .318 SLG and .579 OPS.

    Phelps in 1987: .259 AVG, .410 OBP, .548 SLB and .959 OPS.

    And probably the best fourth outfielder in baseball at the time.
    Steinbrenner’s baseball people (“Ken Phelps! Ken Phelps!”) weren’t entirely off the mark based upon current production.

  65. fountaindale on January 25th, 2010 11:43 am

    (1) Lowe to Brewers for McGhee(thirdbase)
    “McGehee hit .301 with 16 homers and 66 RBI in 355 at-bats this season and should be a cheap source of infield production”. McGhee will probably start season in AAA because another youngster is ahead of him. Brewers top need is pitching of all kinds.

    (1A) McGhee, Snell, Moore, Kelly to Minnesota
    for Young(Delmon), Liriano
    Twins need major league ready 3rd baseman, pitching, insurance if they can’t sign Mauer (FA in 2011 may command ARod money). Twins backup catcher underwent surgery recently. Twins have four starting outfielders and depth on the farm.

    (2(or 1C)) Saunders, Johnson to Giants
    for Molina
    Giants need outfield offense and a legit mlb cather to segue between Posey, the kid, and Molina, a 2011 FA.

    (3) Lee, Johnson to Minnesota
    for Mauer, Liriano
    We trade huge contract demands. Minnesota gets a catcher to replace Mauer until their prospect is ready, we get a starter to “replace” Lee. Mauer will probably cost more than Lee to sign.

  66. mattlock on January 25th, 2010 11:47 am

    That’s like CC Sabathia playing teeter-totter with Ramon Santiago.

    Or Carlos Silva playing teeter-totter with Ichiro. Sorry, couldn’t resist. :D

  67. thebigp708 on January 25th, 2010 11:48 am

    Yeah 3M, I heard about his retirement. Favre retired, 6 times. Clemens retired a couple times. Sosa, Jordan, (Lance) Armstrong all retired.

    If the M’s go to him and tell him that they believe he still has it…

  68. Wan on January 25th, 2010 11:50 am

    Mariners send Jose Lopez to the Braves for Kenshin Kawakami, Dave Ross(solid defense, 48% cs rate last year), and 1 million. Jose would be a significant upgrade at 2b for the Braves, who are looking for more power. Braves save some money.

    Mariners snd Josh Fields to the Nationals for Justin Maxwell and a minor leaguer. Maxwell is athletic, fields well enough to step in for Guti, is young and cheap, and has potential to be a starter. He can start in LF against lefties while Bradley DHs.

    Sign Polanco for 13/2, or Adam Kennedy for 8/2

    Sign Wang!

    I tried to make this a 3 way deal to earn style points but I don’t know enough about the farm systems to do so.

    I also tried a 3-way where the Nats send Dunn to an American League team, Maxwell and Jesus Flores to the Mariners, and receive Jose Lopez, Josh Fields, and a player from the American League team. Mariners would receive a player from the team that gets Dunn. But I can’t figure out who would take Dunn’s contract.

  69. HighBrie on January 25th, 2010 11:50 am

    This doesn’t really fulfill the awesomeness criteria, but a trade for the Orioles’ Ty Wigginton would make sense. Say for Snell.

  70. banestar on January 25th, 2010 11:53 am

    I like Jose Lopez to the Nationals for Josh Willingham and a B/B- prospect.

    Then, naturally, you sign Felipe Lopez. Don’t have to change many of the marketing materials, and get an improvement in two spots.

  71. banestar on January 25th, 2010 11:58 am

    Or how about Lopez and a Carrera-type prospect to San Diego for Cunningham and Richard?

  72. Pete on January 25th, 2010 12:10 pm

    Saunders, Lopez, Halman, Cortes for Josh Hamilton.

    Sign Hudson.
    Sign Sheets.
    Sign Tatis.

    Easy peasy.

  73. diderot on January 25th, 2010 12:15 pm

    get an improvement in two spots.

    Felipe is not an improvement over Jose.

    Granted, Willingham would be nice. But he’s due 4m this year, and I expect Felipe will want about the same (may not get it), so that’s a considerable hit against our payroll compared to Jose’s $2.3m.

  74. stevie_j13 on January 25th, 2010 12:17 pm

    Jose Lopez and Dan Cortes to Minnesota
    Michael Saunders and Francisco Liriano to Philadelphia
    Jayson Werth to Seattle

    Let’s go win this thing!

  75. TumwaterMike on January 25th, 2010 12:31 pm

    Not to get too off-topic. [deleted, off-topic]

  76. Steve Nelson on January 25th, 2010 12:32 pm

    @mattlock

    Or Carlos Silva playing teeter-totter with Ichiro. Sorry, couldn’t resist.

    I thought about that true, but if that were to happen Ichiro would just a Jedi mind trick to equalize the forces.

    @boy19988

    Are you kidding me? I was thinking more along the lines of dream on, but Saunders and Halman are two of the best prospects in our system. Beyond Ackley and Moore, are their better names to add to the list?

    Fister has close to zero value. He’s the type of random AAAA pitcher that is readily available and that teams load up on for minimum contracts in the offseason.

    The holes in Halman’s game are so huge that he has very little value; if he gets it together he would be good, but the chances that he accomplishes that are so slim that he has no value. It’s like playing a horse at 100:1 odds. In the middle of the season if you need a starting pitcher you might give up a Halman to get a Fister. Halman doesn’t have anywhere near the value you seem to ascribe; if he did he would have been used a trading chip a long time ago. Halman isn’t a top shelf prospect the Mariners are trying desperately to hang on to.

    What you proposed really is only marginally different from swapping Saunders for Sizemore straight up.

  77. jld on January 25th, 2010 12:38 pm

    If the Sheet’s signing is in fact an AL west competition, (as @SI_JonHeyman says, grain of salt taken), can someone discuss how you value a player considering that if you lose out, your direct competition gets it?

    If Sheets is worth $X million in raw WAR value, is there a reason that one might reasonally justify more than $X based on the fact that >+3 WAR pitchers are a constrained resource at this point, and keeping Sheets out of Texas may be worth more to the Ms, versus keeping the Mets from getting him? I realize this gets into some game theory, but I’d be curious of the ramifications of value when your the other interested parties are in your division.

    (aside: raw WAR is my new favorite anagram)

  78. junglist215 on January 25th, 2010 12:48 pm

    Lopez, Lowe, and French to the Reds for Phillips, Alonso, and $5.5 million.

    Lopez and Phillips are pretty much the same player with Lopez getting a slight edge in UZR and Phillips a slight edge in wOBA. Their salaries are a stark contrast. The difference in salaries is roughly $11 million (assuming Cincinnati picks up Lopez’s ’11 option and Seattle declines Phillips’s ’12 option). So split the difference with $5.5 million coming to Seattle in the deal.

    The main target in this trade would be the lefty Yonder Alonso. He’s obviously blocked by Votto at 1B and he had his season interrupted by a broken hamate bone last year. He’s a buy low candidate for sure. He came back towards the end of the minor league season but not with much in the way of results. I think the biggest knock on Alonso is about not being able to hit lefties. If he’s able to address the concerns about his splits he’d a 1B option with power and patience who could find himself with a midseason call up.

  79. stevie_j13 on January 25th, 2010 12:58 pm

    Lopez and Phillips are pretty much the same player with Lopez getting a slight edge in UZR and Phillips a slight edge in wOBA.

    Lopez had a combined 4.7 WAR over the last three years, while Phillips had a combined 11.1 WAR over the same span. If anything, they are closer on offense, but Phillips destroys Lopez defensively.

  80. Shanfan on January 25th, 2010 12:58 pm

    I’m a little shy on the first criteria of plausibility but the other three might be met: In a gleaming new building in Westlake there’s something afoot in a biotechnology lab. An order has come in. A genius and his minions are looking for a right-handed hitting outfielder, who could play some infield also, with plate discipline and power is desired. A frustratingly indifferent but gifted and athletic young man is kidnapped and decapitated. From a cryogenic chamber, Ted Williams’ frozen head is removed from its tuna can perch, attached to the body and reanimated. The now living corpse combines his right-handedness and infield skills with Ted’s focus, batting and outfield skills. Forget .400 OBP, this guy has a .400 Average. Yes folks, it’s FrankenYuni !!!!!!

  81. Pete Livengood on January 25th, 2010 12:59 pm

    jld, thanks for the link to the Heyman twitter on Sheets. I have as much skepticsm/disdain for Heyman the analyst as anybody, but he is a first-rate reporter who is well-connected. If he is saying where Sheets lands is coming down to the AL West, between the M’s, A’s, and Rangers, I’d put a fair amount of stock in that.

    And, if that is true, outside of one of the three making a foolish cave-in on money, where would YOU want to pitch if you were a recovering Ben Sheets on a short-term, “prove it” deal? Certainly not Arlington. That’s not a park (or a defensive team) that will allow you to build a resume’ that generates the bigger deal you want to nail down after this one.

    I think it comes down to the A’s and the M’s, and if the $$ is similar, I would pick Seattle if I were Sheets, for: (a) the defense behind you; (b) the pitcher’s park; and (c) familiarity with the front office and they with you. Oakland is interesting, but I would think would have outspend Seattle by a non-insignificant margin to overcome the inherent strengths Seattle’s team, park, and front office provide to a guy in Sheets’ position.

  82. junglist215 on January 25th, 2010 1:04 pm

    Yeah you’re right I was looking at Phillips’s UZR number for SS by mistake.

  83. Pete on January 25th, 2010 1:08 pm

    Contracts excluded, Phillips over Lopez any day of the week.

  84. Boy9988 on January 25th, 2010 1:09 pm

    @Steve Nelson

    Well Steve, I tend to trust people who at least evaluate talent for a living. Baseball Prospectus and Baseball America would disagree with your evaluation on these players(though I’ll give you Fister). Saunders and Halman are rated the #2 and #8 respectively in the Mariner system. So they probably arn’t too bad. The point of the deal was to give Cleveland three good young prospects to fill their system (and one ML ready prospect) that they would have cost control over for a long time. The Indians signaled the white flag last year at the deadline and have continued that with doing practically nothing this off season. The point was the idea of shedding a good player that has some value before he leaves them in free agency. Cause they wont be good again before that happens. If it wasn’t for the fact he had a down year, I’m positive he would have already been traded. If he goes out and has a good first half, I’m sure they will trade him at the deadline. Yes the offer was low balled, but not nearly by the amount you seem to think it was.

  85. just a fan on January 25th, 2010 1:19 pm

    I swear I read that the A’s offered more cash to Beltre and Scutaro, but they both went to Boston anyway, and the writer speculated it was because, well, Oakland kinda sucks. The ballpark is a disaster, and most folks have a negative view of the city, too. Whereas, if you’re gonna be forced to spend April through early November anywhere, there ain’t many nicer places than Seattle. So, obviously we are getting Ben Sheets.

    As for the deal, well, the Yankees will re-sign Damon, and then trade us Nick Swisher for Mark Lowe and a prospect. Contingent on this trade is (a) Lowe can’t handle NYY and can’t be 2nd setup man after JOBA, (b) the prospect never passes AA.

  86. Pete Livengood on January 25th, 2010 1:24 pm

    Also, @jld: I don’t think the analysis of what Sheets is worthy changes much, just because your competition may be only AL West teams. You do the best to peg Sheets’ value, and you make him an offer based on that value. If Oakland or Texas value him higher, so be it.

    Now, if there truly *is* a constrained market for pitchers of Sheets’ value (and personally, I wouldn’t peg it anywhere near 3 WAR for the purposes of a $$ offer; I realize he has that potential and more but there has to be a significant discount for his injury history and potential…I just have a hard time seeing how a guy most projection systems have a hard time seeing get more than 100-130 IP will get to 3 WAR), then and only then would I consider upping the ante as a way to keep Sheets from a competitor. If there is a similar-value pitcher out there (and I think there still may be a few), I’d just move on rather than overpay. Just as the M’s did with Harden….

  87. awestby51 on January 25th, 2010 1:24 pm

    Saunders, Lopez to Astros for Michael Bourn and Chris Sampson.

  88. Dobbs on January 25th, 2010 1:28 pm

    I like this one:

    Then, naturally, you sign Felipe Lopez. Don’t have to change many of the marketing materials

    Kudos to whoever wrote it.

  89. kg4040 on January 25th, 2010 1:28 pm

    Talking one year rentals from the phillies, what about Jayson Werth? We all know he is a good defender, has power, and gets on base. What is a realistic package for him considering the phillies already have in house replacements for him, I am thinking a bullpen piece to maybe take over the closer spot and a couple b level prospects or one top prospect?

    Lowe, Trufuel for Werth?

    Considering the Phillies disaster at the back-end of their bullpen and rookies able to take over for Werth I think this is plausible.

  90. TomG on January 25th, 2010 1:37 pm

    @Steve Nelson

    Well Steve, I tend to trust people who at least evaluate talent for a living. Baseball Prospectus and Baseball America would disagree with your evaluation on these players(though I’ll give you Fister). Saunders and Halman are rated the #2 and #8 respectively in the Mariner system.

    Not to be a jerk, but you should read what they wrote about either prospect; not exactly glowing recommendations.

    Just because prospects are ranked within a team constraint doesn’t necessarily make them top prospects. Saunders is a borderline Top-50 prospect in all of baseball and Halman is nowhere near top-anything. Sizemore is a premier talent in the game; you don’t trade that kind of player for a gaggle of lesser prospects because there are more of them and they’re cost-controlled. Well, I guess you do if you’re the Phillies.

  91. xxtinynickxx on January 25th, 2010 1:44 pm

    Joe Inglett??

  92. rightwingrick on January 25th, 2010 1:46 pm

    Mariners stun everyone by making a low-cost three year deal with Kotchman, then turn right around and package 1B Kotchman, 2B Jose Lopez, RP Mark Lowe, SP Luke French, and prospects CF Ezequiel Carrerra and SS Carlos Triunfel to San Diego for 1B Adrian Gonzalez. They sign Orlando Hudson for 2B.

    Of course, that’s on top of the deals to sign both Ben Sheets and Erik Bedard.

  93. shadow_watch on January 25th, 2010 1:50 pm

    How about Mark Lowe straight up for George Sherrill. Frees up some cash for the Dodgers while balancing the M’s bullpen. Given the nature of Safeco field having a shut-down left-handed relief pitcher would seem to be an important addition to spare runs. And he did pretty well in that role previously at Safeco…

  94. BobbyAyalaFan4Life on January 25th, 2010 1:58 pm

    Some of these responses really make me appreciate just how rare a Jack Z is…lol

  95. mattlock on January 25th, 2010 2:04 pm

    Some of these responses really make me appreciate just how rare a Jack Z is…lol

    I agree whole-heartedly. There are some dreamy fellows patrolling this site, I must say.

  96. argh on January 25th, 2010 2:26 pm

    These occasional open rosterbation threads remind me of the scene in “Shawshank Redemption” where the guards look the other way while the cons drink a cold beer on a boiling hot day.

  97. KaminaAyato on January 25th, 2010 2:35 pm

    Some of these responses really make me appreciate just how rare a Jack Z is…lol

    These occasional open rosterbation threads remind me of the scene in “Shawshank Redemption” where the guards look the other way while the cons drink a cold beer on a boiling hot day.

    Exactly. Dave & DMZ are allowing the rosterbaters to take over this post so that they can go away later. Kinda like how Moriarty got trapped in the little holo cube.

  98. Ralph_Malph on January 25th, 2010 2:36 pm

    Phelps in 1987: .259 AVG, .410 OBP, .548 SLB and .959 OPS.

    And probably the best fourth outfielder in baseball at the time.

    Ken Phelps was never an OF, he was a 1B/DH. He was a very good power hitter — if he had enough AB to qualify he’d be 14th all-time in HR/AB, right behind Ted Williams and right in front of Dave Kingman.

  99. Nate on January 25th, 2010 2:52 pm

    Yes, I’d like to order one Brad Hawpe with a seperate order of a Scott Kazmir.

    …put it on MR. Underhill’s tab.

  100. Leroy Stanton on January 25th, 2010 2:54 pm

    … right behind Ted Williams and right in front of Dave Kingman.

    Hard to believe those guys are that close on ANY list.

  101. luckyscrubs on January 25th, 2010 3:03 pm

    Open rosterbation threads are like making plans for winning the lottery before buying the ticket. And I can’t believe it took almost seven hours for the first Adrian Gonzalez trade scenario!

  102. eric47d on January 25th, 2010 3:16 pm

    Ken Phelps was never an OF, he was a 1B/DH. He was a very good power hitter — if he had enough AB to qualify he’d be 14th all-time in HR/AB, right behind Ted Williams and right in front of Dave Kingman.

    …and a big, chubby, glacially slow, DH/1B at that. Where’d the 4th OF thing come from? Head scratcher…

  103. Ralph_Malph on January 25th, 2010 3:28 pm

    Hey, can we trade a big, chubby, glacially slow DH for a 22 year old Jay Buhner?

  104. Briggstar on January 25th, 2010 3:39 pm

    Erik Bedard = Ben Sheets without the sex appeal and ridiculous asking price.

    These occasional open rosterbation threads remind me of the scene in “Shawshank Redemption” where the guards look the other way while the cons drink a cold beer on a boiling hot day.

    Great reference! I’m rather enjoying this breath of fresh air myself, so long as the YouTube trash talk doesn’t take over. (The good ship Mariner, despite its many virtues, can feel like a police state with the occasional heavy-handed moderating.)

  105. DJP on January 25th, 2010 3:43 pm

    I read on a fantasybaseballcafe forum that Liriano has been hitting 92-94mph in winterball, as well as that he has gone back to throwing his bat devastating, elbow ruining slider.

  106. Puffy on January 25th, 2010 3:45 pm

    Trade Lopez, French, and Cortez to the Atlanta Braves for Derek Lowe and Martin Prado.

  107. Briggstar on January 25th, 2010 3:45 pm

    In fairness, I realize this type of thread throws a bone to those of us who often derail the more serious discussions with our silly questions or trade proposals (ie: Adrian Gonzalez for Lopez, Lowe, Fister, Griffey Jr. and the Moose)…

  108. Pete Livengood on January 25th, 2010 3:48 pm

    @ Briggstar “Erik Bedard = Ben Sheets without the sex appeal and ridiculous asking price.”

    Exactly, with the minor exception that Sheets is healthier to start the season and can likely contribute right off the bat, and Bedard may not be able to. But point well taken, and one of the main reasons I replied to jld that I do not think the Mariners increase their valuation of Sheets just because their main competition for him may be AL West competitors. I think Bedard and Sheets are very comparable high-risk, high reward types.

  109. Ike Clanton on January 25th, 2010 3:55 pm

    I traded Dan Wilson for Adrian Gonzalez straight up in MLB 2006, does that count? Unfortunately, the game didn’t see Adrian’s true potential in 2006. Oh well, as long as it keeps letting Beltre and Sexson have 50 homer seasons, it doesn’t matter.

    I don’t have a solid enough grasp of the rest of the MLB to make a creative proposition here, but I find myself inexplicably certain that Zduriencik will come up with something better than Sheets/Tatis to close out the offseason.

  110. Leroy Stanton on January 25th, 2010 4:05 pm

    Exactly, with the minor exception that Sheets is healthier to start the season and can likely contribute right off the bat, and Bedard may not be able to.

    Good point, but it sounds like their price tags will reflect that. I think I’d prefer Bedard in October, though. But it’s close.

  111. Briggstar on January 25th, 2010 4:10 pm

    Agreed, Livengood. By the way, I always enjoy your comments/insights.

    To me, re-signing Bedard for a June insertion to the rotation may be a better gamble than Sheets starting in April and flaming out early. They both have tremendous skillsets but are injury-prone liabilities. Considering Bedard could potentially come in at half of Sheet’s price makes him the lower risk option.

    In a recent interview about his rehab progress (I think Rick Griffin was working with him in the piece) he mentioned something about wanting to prove himself to the Seattle fanbase. Assuming M’s fans are willing to look past his “soft” reputation, a healthy Bedard is about as dynamite a #3 SP as you could hope for.

  112. eponymous coward on January 25th, 2010 4:16 pm

    Mariners stun everyone by making a low-cost three year deal with Kotchman, then turn right around and package 1B Kotchman

    So, I take it the Mariners also change the MLB rules that don’t allow you to trade FA signees until June 1, right?

  113. damnustones on January 25th, 2010 4:22 pm

    mets get:
    jose lopez
    scott olsen

    nats get:
    luis castilla plus cash
    mark lowe

    m’s get:
    john maine
    josh willingham

    m’s sign orlando hudson.

    mets will do anything to unload castilla.

  114. gag harbor on January 25th, 2010 4:31 pm

    I wonder if Zduriencik has anyone in his network of trust that would vouch for Bedard as much as the names he knows that might vouch for Sheets. So many of the player moves are based on getting positive feedback from someone he trusts (rightfully so). I like Bedard coming back but maybe just because I am still hoping to justify the huge cost of acquiring him in the first place.

  115. timbmyers on January 25th, 2010 4:37 pm

    M’s send a package of Jose Lopez, Micheal Saunders, Jason Vargas, Shawn Kelley and Dan Cortes to the White Sox for John Danks and Carlos Quentin.
    The M’s replace Lopez with the O-Dawg and fill their LF RH bat need and bring in the #3 starter that will make them the AL West Champs that we are hoping for this season.

  116. srm07 on January 25th, 2010 4:44 pm

    M’s sign Wang AND Sheets, and leave the roster alone, giving a rotation of Felix, Lee, Sheets, RRS, Wang.

  117. goat on January 25th, 2010 4:49 pm

    Johnson, Kelley, and Triunfel to Pittsburgh for Doumit.

  118. casey on January 25th, 2010 4:52 pm

    As a Victoria guy I am a Saunders homer but can’t believe everyone is so eager to trade a guy who hit .310 with .922 OPS at AAA as a 22 year old and then this winter hit .353 with .950 OPS in Venezuela. In his prime seems like a .280 with walks and steals and 25 homers with ++ defence in left. Why wouldn’t we want him as a Mariner. Sounds like Adam Jones all over to me. We need to be patient with Saunders – hoping he gets 300-400 at bats this summer. Looking forward to seeing him in leftfield in Peoria in March when I am there!

  119. Mariners2620 on January 25th, 2010 5:23 pm

    Sign Ben Sheets, and trade for Zobrist and i’m happy.

  120. Mariners2620 on January 25th, 2010 5:27 pm

    I’m aware that it takes two teams or more to make a trade, but I don’t see why the M’s wouldn’t at least attempt to make a strong push for Ben Zobrist. He would do pretty damn good things for this lineup. He brings patience, which we could definitely use some more of, can play multiple positions (but most likely second with Lopez being traded), and is a switch hitter. I imagine that Z has already attempted to acquire him.

  121. Marinersmanjk on January 25th, 2010 5:53 pm

    Since Zobrist led the league in WAR last year, I don’t think the Rays would be too willing to give him up. Though here’s an option nobody thought about, what about Michael Young. He’s still only 33, and wanted a trade out of texas last year. He’s a consistent .300 hitter, and has good defense. Exactly what Z wants on our team. He’d also fill our void at second if Lopez was packaged in the trade.

  122. MarinerManMatt on January 25th, 2010 5:56 pm

    By good do you mean bad? Young hasn’t put up positive UZR since 2002.

  123. Marinersmanjk on January 25th, 2010 6:03 pm

    He’s a darn side better than Lopez

  124. banestar on January 25th, 2010 6:05 pm

    Since Omar Minaya’s pretty stupid, how about Angel Pagan, Scott Moviel, and John Maine for Jose Lopez (to play 1st) and Fister?

  125. diderot on January 25th, 2010 6:09 pm

    As a Victoria guy I am a Saunders homer but can’t believe everyone is so eager to trade a guy who hit .310 with .922 OPS at AAA as a 22 year old and then this winter hit .353 with .950 OPS in Venezuela. In his prime seems like a .280 with walks and steals and 25 homers with ++ defence in left.

    Well, I guess Canadians really ARE smarter!

  126. eponymous coward on January 25th, 2010 7:10 pm


    He’s a darn side better than Lopez

    No, Lopez is an average 2B defensively (+5 to -5). Young’s a bad defensive player in the middle infield (-10 to -20). You’ve basically cost the Mariners a win and a half in defensive value alone.

    Also, hello, Arlington Stadium. Young’s lifetime splits:

    Home: .324/.374/.484
    Road: .281/.325/.415

    For comparison, here’s Jose Lopez on the road for his career: .287/.318/.422

    So, we’re going to trade for a RHB with Jose Lopez’s basic skillset, except older and with worse defense, and take that player from someplace that inflates his statistics to someplace that kills them. Um, yeah. Maybe we can sign Jeff Cirillo and Carl Everett while we’re at it. I hear they’re available.

  127. mark s on January 25th, 2010 7:11 pm

    This is a real Rube Goldberg for you.

    1) New LF
    Lopez + Olsen + PTBNL are sent to the Reds for
    Chris Dickerson + Yonder Alonso

    2) New 2B
    Felipe Lopez is signed for 1 year w/ club option.

    3) New SP
    Michael Saunders + Shawn White + Doug Fister is sent to the Rockies for
    Ubaldo Jimenez.

    As nutty as this plan might sound, I wouldn’t be surprised if the team did something even nuttier and way more awesome!

  128. bookbook on January 25th, 2010 7:32 pm

    Bedard hasn’t had half the career that Sheets has. And they’re within a year or so in age. (Though Bedard has been better more recently, to be sure.) If I had to bet on who has the better next five years, I’d bet Sheets. Of course, that’s why Sheets’ asking price is much higher than Bedards’

  129. _David_ on January 25th, 2010 7:45 pm

    We should find a non-contending team with a dumb GM and steal their quality corner outfielder. Think Dejesus or Pence. Nyjer Morgan is LH, but I’d absolutely love to see him on the team.

  130. _David_ on January 25th, 2010 7:49 pm

    marc s, those teams wouldn’t be dumb enough to even consider those trades. Jimenez has only two full years of service time.

  131. Liam on January 25th, 2010 7:51 pm

    Anyone who guessed Preston Vancil would be the Mariners next move wins!

  132. argh on January 25th, 2010 8:10 pm

    We should find a non-contending team with a dumb GM

    Somebody hired Bavasi?

  133. _David_ on January 25th, 2010 8:17 pm

    Yes argh, the Reds did, so maybe they would give us Alonso for Lopez as marc s suggests.

  134. mark s on January 25th, 2010 8:33 pm

    _David_

    I don’t mean to insult anyone’s abilities.

    I was looking for names that don’t get that much talk. I looked at the Reds because J-Lo is the type of player that Dusty Baker might really love. Chris Dickerson and Yonder Alonso seem like players the M’s would really like.

    I like Felipe Lopez on a one year contract.

    The Rockies already have 2 other good pitchers and maybe they wouldn’t value Jimenez as much as five years of Saunders.

    I doubt anything I said here would be even considered. But not bad considering I spent 30 minutes thinking and looking stuff up for it.

  135. mafiatees on January 25th, 2010 8:43 pm

    Given the criteria:

    1. Plausibility (Cards aren’t going to give up Pujols)
    2. Awesomeness
    3. Lack of previous predictions by punditry
    4. And a full ten points for style

    …how about this deal:

    Ackley, Lopez, and Triunfel for Pedroia.
    1. Plausibility – very unlikely, but at least it’s interesting. The Mariners dealing out another 1st round pick with great potential that can replace Pedroia in a year or two, while Lopez holds the fort this year.
    2. Awesomeness – sure, it’d be giving up a ton in Ackley and Triunfel, but with an MVP caliber second baseman, the M’s could legitimately think about advancing to the WS.
    3. Lack of previous predictions by punditry – hahaha. Doubtful.
    4. That full ten points for style – risky and out there, but surprising, right?

  136. _David_ on January 25th, 2010 8:51 pm

    mark s, I wasn’t trying to be rude…sorry. I just didn’t think a Rockies team trying to contend would trade 3 (or is it 4?) years of a 5 WAR pitcher for a player that may or may not be an average player this year.

  137. Wilder83 on January 25th, 2010 10:54 pm

    Michael Saunders
    Alex Liddi

    for

    Hunter Pence

  138. nepacific on January 25th, 2010 11:21 pm

    Maybe it’s just because I’m in Victoria, too, but I think any deal that gives up our real top prospects would be a mistake. The only way to be a continuing winner is with a core of home-grown talent. Even the Yankees don’t just buy their way in with free agents and trades. Ackley, Moore, Saunders, Triunfel — I think we have to develop these guys and let them achieve what they can here.

    I do want to try to take advantage of Cliff Lee while we have him, but not at the expense of giving up guys that could be the core of the team for years. We can develop a stable, long-term winner, or gamble on this one year — and the percentages aren’t high.

    But in Jack I trust. I know he has the right approach and good judgment, so if he trades those guys, so be it.

  139. drewman on January 25th, 2010 11:44 pm

    I just saw the Jim Thome will not be returning to the White Sox……any chance at all? Would he fit anywhere, I am thinking purely as the big bat that the M’s are missing….

  140. SonOfZavaras on January 26th, 2010 2:30 am

    Ackley, Lopez, and Triunfel for Pedroia.

    Ackley (and any other 2009 draft signee) has to be our property for a year before he’s eligible to be traded anywhere, IIRC.

  141. SonOfZavaras on January 26th, 2010 2:43 am

    I will, however, say that Triunfel can go in a trade and I won’t shed any tears unless it’s just an awful value trade. I’ve never really bought into his hype.

    He’s a premium athlete, but his lack of defensive instincts worry me at both second and shortstop.

    Of what few hitting prospects we have, his approach is the second-least-suited for Safeco (Halman being far and away first on that list).

    The only reason I’d recommend not trading him now is to let him regain value in a half-season at West Tennessee, and then sell high.

    Of course, if Zduriencik has “Jedi Mind Trick #45″ up his sleeve, and can spring a deal that’s good for us and moves Triunfel now?

    I’ll be Jack’s Complete Lack Of Surprise as I take my hat off to the guy yet again.

    For the record, I think another move gets made, but I have a feeling I’m nowhere close to discovering the pulse wherein it lays.

    If I think of a non-laughable trade scenario, I’ll post it.

  142. Jeff Nye on January 26th, 2010 5:21 am

    Ackley, Lopez, and Triunfel for Pedroia.

    Are you sure you wouldn’t want to throw in Felix too?

  143. Rusty on January 26th, 2010 6:30 am

    Will the winner of the “best speculative post” be declared and posted as an update?

  144. certaindoom on January 26th, 2010 7:21 am

    Some of these are epic predictions. If this were the east coast you all would be “according to sources close to the team” on ESPN or various beat writers twit accounts.

  145. TumwaterMike on January 26th, 2010 8:32 am

    1. Plausibility (Cards aren’t going to give up Pujols)
    2. Awesomeness
    3. Lack of previous predictions by punditry
    4. And a full ten points for style

    1. Plausibility: Matt Cain from San Francisco. With Tim Lincecum going to get a record arbitration deal, the Giants may not be able to afford him and then Matt Cain as well. It would probably include a pitcher such as RRS and a couple of relievers, Lowe and Kelley and Kotchman. The Mariners then go and sign Branyan again.
    2. Awesomeness: Matt Cain would be the best #3 pitcher in baseball.
    3. Lack of Previous predictions by punditry: You heard it here first.
    4. A full ten points for style: You should see my fedora.

  146. andrewjsnider on January 26th, 2010 8:54 am

    Without a doubt this move will be controversial.

    We trade Carp and Snell for……Cardinal’s hitting coach Mark Mcgwire. Only we’d use him as a starting first baseman, of course.

    Think about it. He is RH and a power hitter. And with the way Safeco Field is designed, the 46 year old former HR champ would be destined for great things in Seattle.

    It’s the perfect move.

  147. Ralph_Malph on January 26th, 2010 9:39 am

    I think the McGwire deal is the most plausible one I’ve seen yet.

  148. Bugeater on January 26th, 2010 9:50 am

    Ok…I think another possibility is to sign Hudson and trade Lopez, Olson (who would do better in the NL, I think), and one of the Fister/French/Vargas bunch to the Nats for Willingham and someone else…it seems like they have a shortstop prospect coming up that we could use to replace Wilson in a year or two. Sorry can’t remember the prospects name (or if I have the right team, for that matter). We could also just get a prosepct or two…the farm system can always use more depth.

  149. BobbyAyalaFan4Life on January 26th, 2010 9:52 am

    We trade Carp and Snell for……Cardinal’s hitting coach Mark Mcgwire. Only we’d use him as a starting first baseman, of course.

    Would he have to be tested? Great deal if we could pump him full of the juice again!

  150. Jeff Nye on January 26th, 2010 9:55 am

    Yeah, a steroids debate is the only thing that could make this comment thread even better.

  151. Tek Jansen on January 26th, 2010 10:03 am

    Jose Lopez for Carlos Guillen. Sign Orlando Hudson.

    Hudson becomes the everday 2B. Guillen platoons with Langerhans in LF and subs at 1B and 3B. (Langerhans also becomes the late inning defensive sub in games that Guillen starts in LF.)He can also function for a short while at SS. He is not as defensively useful as Hall, but he is a much better hitter.

    Detroit could use a 2B after losing Polanco. The M’s could ask the Tigers to pick up some (obviously not all) of Guillen’s salary (26 mil) over the next two years.

  152. Briggstar on January 26th, 2010 10:14 am

    Just heard Sheets is on his way to Oakland on XM 175 (MLB Home Plate)…and Xavier Nady to the Cubs. Details forthcoming.

  153. sp_da_man on January 26th, 2010 10:22 am

    Tweet from: SI_JonHeyman – sheets goes to a’s, nady to cubs. good job by cbssports.com on sheets.

    Sheets would have looked great in an M’s uniform.

    Maybe we’re still in on Bedard.

  154. DRFelix on January 26th, 2010 10:27 am

    It’s been sounding like he’s going to the A’s since last night. Just like Beane…get em signed and trade him by July to a contender for prospects, to build his farm system. After traded by July, the A’s only will end up spending approx $4-$4.5M for 1/2 a year for Sheets, and getting some really decent prospects/talent back “if” he’s healthy.

    I was thinking this morning that if it was the A’s, which it now is, hopefully this will pull some wins away from the Rangers & Angels between now and July to give us some assistance. Of course, that is expecting that Seattle wins those starts against Sheets.

    I was really hoping Z would pull off a Sheets signing for us. I now betting that he gets Bedard signed on a minor league deal, and a base + incentives once he hits the 25-man roster. We can probably land BOTH Bedard AND Washburn for the price Sheets signed for (damn I wanted him).

  155. DRFelix on January 26th, 2010 10:32 am

    With all of the Nats/Willingham news since Friday, and the Rays news with Crawford & Pena, you have to think that “if” there is something to all of these rumors that the Z Man is right in the middle of all of this.

    I have a feeling he was gauging the Sheets direction FIRST, in order to fine tune his final offseason direction. You can put money on it that “if” Nats and TB have put those offensive players on the market, he has been right in their all along negotiating.

    I kind of expect, since Sheets dropped, Z will counter with his next move in the next 48 hours. Just a hunch.

  156. Briggstar on January 26th, 2010 10:34 am

    With Bedard suddenly at the forefront again, Matthew Caruth had this to say last August about him:

    It would be easy for Mariner fans and reporters to blame Erik Bedard. I, for one, cannot see how this is any bit his fault. By all accounts, he tried his hardest to compete for the team but his body failed him. And then he kept on trying, pitching through what was diagnosed as a shoulder cyst last year and a torn labum this year.

    Perhaps amazingly, given the degree to which we know now he was operating, Bedard still managed to post extremely good numbers when he was on the mound with the Mariners.

    Basically, Bedard’s wussy reputation is undeserved; but because of it, he may be slightly undervalued (maybe less so now with Sheets off the market?).

    He was worth 3.4, 5.0 and 5.4 WAR in ’05, ’06 and ’07, respectively, before the injuries arose. I admittedly have a slight man crush on the quiet Canadian, but for good reason.

  157. Arron on January 26th, 2010 10:35 am

    I wanted a healty Sheets as well, but now the questions are:

    1) How quickly will Z make his plan B or C move now? I assume he was waiting on this and possibly Nady. I bet he moves very quickly.

    2) What are his plan B or C?

    3) If Seattle is in contention, which we all assume they will be, and when Oakland is out, will Sheets be traded to Seattle at the deadline?

  158. DRFelix on January 26th, 2010 10:38 am

    TWEET: It’s for $10M + Incentives

    Jesus Beane! The poor Mets!

    WOW am I shocked he landed that much. If healthy though, the A’s will move him to a contender in July and only have to pay $5M. The contender inheriting him will end up being on the hook for all of the incentives more than likely.

    So basically the A’s dish out $5M for 1/2 years service of an ACE, if healthy, and ends up stocking their farm system come June/July. What a Billy Beane move!

  159. jack_per_conte on January 26th, 2010 10:51 am

    Has Houston found a shortstop? They should be interested in J. Lopez; a nice fit in their ballpark, and then Matsui would shift back over to short.

    I think Jose Lopez for Felipe Paulino would work out spectacularly well for Seattle; if we could get Sam Gervacio, JR Towles or Chris Sampson as well, all the better.

    Paulino had an ugly ERA, but look at the peripherals: 8.59 k per 9, 3.41 bb per 9, and (here’s what killed him) 1.84 hr per 9. Nothing in his minor league track record (or stuff) suggests he’s Yusmeiro Petit 2.0. He had bad luck.

    Bring him to Seattle, in a better ballpark, with an all-word outfield defense behind him, and we’re looking at a cheap, young #2 starter.

    Towles is 26, and hasn’t won the starting job, though he’s hit quite well in AAA the last two years. Jason Castro is the official catcher of the future, so Towles should be acquirable. He’s Adam Moore with a touch more power.

  160. eponymous coward on January 26th, 2010 11:41 am

    I don’t blame Bedard for his body failing him, but he’s pitched 77 and one-third lifetime innings in September and October. That’s an average of around 13 IP in the home stretch of a season over his 6 years in the major leagues, going along with his precisely zero 200+ IP seasons.

    3-5 WAR talent doesn’t add wins when it’s on the DL. Erik Bedard makes Bret Saberhagen (another guy with world-beating stuff and a glass arm) look like Iron Man McGinnity. Pass.

  161. MdW on January 26th, 2010 12:38 pm

    Are there humorous comment guidelines? There are these mistakes that people keep on making. For example, I think that some of us need to reminded that implausibility is not inherently funny. We can all come up with trades that no GM would make, but not many of them are likely to make anyone laugh. The bar is pretty high for humor these days, given that we can all find Youtube videos of dudes getting hit in the crotch. Let’s step it up!

  162. Kevin Rudolph on January 26th, 2010 1:04 pm

    After Nady signed with the Cubs today, it looks like our right handed hitting OF possibilities are down to Jermaine Dye, Ryan Garko, Jonny Gomes, or the oft injured Rocco Baldelli. Personally I like Garko as he can play 1B and a little 3B in a pinch. Has a pretty decent history in Safeco!

  163. Leroy Stanton on January 26th, 2010 1:41 pm

    Now that Sheets is signed, how about this one:

    Brandon League and Johermyn Chavez for Brandon Morrow.

  164. stevie_j13 on January 26th, 2010 3:22 pm

    What about… I can’t believe I am about to do this… Jose Guillen. He becomes our DH against lefties and a bat off the bench in other situations. We pay $2.5M of his $12M salary. Meanwhile, the Royals get to see what Kila Ka’aihue can do at the big league level. He might not be good at defense, but he might still be able to hit a little, has buy-low value because of his injury last year, and he is blocking a promising Royals prospect from getting his chance to hit.

  165. BobbyAyalaFan4Life on January 26th, 2010 3:51 pm

    This thread has become a train wreck I simply cannot pull my eyes away from. lol

  166. Malcontent1 on January 26th, 2010 6:31 pm

    I don’t know if anybody is still reading this thread, but: Jose Lopez, Matt Tuiasosopo, and Triunfel for Ian Stewart and Ryan Spillborghs. Figgons moves to second and Stewart takes over third.

  167. somefunny on January 27th, 2010 2:37 pm

    There doesn’t seem to be a winner yet, so…
    Aardsma and Lopez to the Orioles for Wieters, Tejada and Mickolio. They still owe us.

  168. MosesLakeBrian on January 29th, 2010 2:25 pm

    Jose Lopez and Jason Vargas for Gil Meche and cash

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