Game Twenty-Three Recap

Dave · April 30, 2010 at 10:26 pm · Filed Under Mariners 

Boo, 11-12.

There are way too many things to talk about, but I’m under the weather, it’s 1:30 in the morning, and there’s another game in a few hours. I’ll do a longer recap tomorrow.

Let’s put it this way, though – here are the main problems we have with this team right now.

1. The bench is a joke, and forces the team to continually face bad match-ups late in games, making it easy for the opposing manager to make decisions.
2. The line-up doesn’t make any sense, and bad hitters constantly have to try to drive in the few guys that have the ability to get on base.
3. The catchers are fundamentally awful behind the plate.
4. The starting shortstop can’t hit, and regularly gets pinch hit for, but the backup shortstop can’t play the position.
5. The team’s third best relief pitcher just got optioned to Tacoma so the team could keep a guy they don’t use.
6. Okay, this is really #1, but we’ve beaten the drum enough, so I buried it down here – the organization chose two designated hitters who can’t hit because they’re fun to be around. It was a terrible decision.

All of those things manifest in critical situations tonight, and conspired to cost the team the game. The team has a tiny margin for error, and the roster and line-up decisions swallowed all of it tonight. Fix any of the above problems, and the Mariners probably win this game. These are not hard changes to make – the Mariners just need to man up and make them.

Screw team chemistry. Give us a team that can play baseball.

Comments

98 Responses to “Game Twenty-Three Recap”

  1. jephdood on April 30th, 2010 11:48 pm

    Screw this. I’m done with this team for awhile. The offense is god aweful and nothing is being done to fix it. There are some obvious choices that need to be made, but it seems they don’t want to upset the casual fan. Well that’s not how you put together a winning roster. Difficult decisions need to be made, and they know it. They have to! The Griffey/Sweeney era must come to an end. Should have ended it last year on a high note, Junior. But no.. now you’re ‘that guy’ who didn’t know when to call it quits. And unfortunately, we still have the ‘old guard’ in the FO still here from ’95 who can’t seem to forget what you once were. It’s sad. And it’s ruining my team.

  2. Gomez on April 30th, 2010 11:51 pm

    I want Jack Zduriencik to develop a belief system in modular bench players.

  3. Gregor on April 30th, 2010 11:55 pm

    On a positive note, I went with the whole family and we got four Felix bobbleheads. If you put them next to each other, they look like a barbershop quartet.

  4. the tourist on April 30th, 2010 11:59 pm

    And today’s game, ladies and gentlemen, is why Cliff Lee is simply here for this year. But hey, draft picks! Yay 2015! 🙂

  5. bongo on May 1st, 2010 12:13 am

    I don’t understand why they pinch-hit for Wilson and not Adam Moore, and why they pinch-hit Sweeney and not Tui. Adam had been catching for 11 innings by then and his performance got worse as the game went on. The logical thing would have been to leave Wilson in, pinch hit Tui for Moore and then bring in Johnson to catch the 12th.

    When Sweeney came up with a sidearmer specializing in sinkers pitching, it was obvious that Texas was aiming for the double play, and Sweeney fell right into the trap without even bothering to take one pitch. That’s totally inexcusable for a veteran, especially a “designated hugger”. What kind of example does that set? What would we say if a kid like Tui or Saunders (or Lopez) did something like that?

    There are 5 (count em!) Griffey-related marketing events this season. So Junior’s going nowhere. I’m ok with that, but only if it’s the only sentimental gesture we have to put up with.

  6. spankystout on May 1st, 2010 12:18 am

    Luke Scott would force Bradley to play LF. Its fine in theory, but Bradley isn’t the most durable player, and Scott is not a suitable OF. Thus back at square one.

    Jermaime Dye’s numbers will get suppressed by Safeco. And no he is not allowed to play defense! Ever!

    Adrian Gonzalez would be amazing in an Mariners uniform! Excpet Kotchman is suitable and cheap. A Gonzalez trade would deplete our farm system…… again.

    The M’s need a durable and effective LF so Bradley can DH more often than not.

  7. JMHawkins on May 1st, 2010 12:20 am

    May we please have an embargo on the Adrian Gonzalez talk? It is not going to happen.

    I dunno why that should stop anyone. The middle of our lineup isn’t going to start hitting either, but we keep running ’em out there.

  8. KaminaAyato on May 1st, 2010 12:22 am

    First of all…

    May we please have an embargo on the Adrian Gonzalez talk? It is not going to happen.

    Amen. The offense sucks, but obtaining ONE bat right now won’t make much of a difference.

    I dunno why that should stop anyone. The middle of our lineup isn’t going to start hitting either, but we keep running ‘em out there.

    We know your stance. I’m not sure there’s anything more to talk about.

    Second of all…

    And today’s game, ladies and gentlemen, is why Cliff Lee is simply here for this year. But hey, draft picks! Yay 2015! 🙂

    Stop it with the snarkiness. If you want to do that just go away. It’s not productive.

    *ahem* Now that that’s out of the way, it was pretty painful to watch that game in person. Happy Cliff Day w/r/t Cliff was good.

    Colby Lewis after his stint with the Hiroshima Carp is not the same pitcher he was when he left. He went to a team that had a bandbox of a stadium (Old Hiroshima Municipal in 2008) and pretty much dominated. Then repeated the feat in 2009 in a much more pitcher-friendly ballpark in Mazda Zoom-Zoom Stadium. Sure you can argue that Japan is AAAA, but when you learn to throw strikes and be aggressive, it counts for something. He was ahead in the count more often than not and should have as much success as Kuroda (LAD) has if not more.

    So, don’t discount Colby Lewis or his performance.

    Sate to, let’s look at the M’s, and in no particular order…

    1) I was personally looking at the squeeze in the 11th with Byrnes at 3rd and Kotchman up to bat. Even if it failed, you still would have had a runner at 3rd in Bradley – assuming that you didn’t pop it up of course. I may hate seeing the squeeze too often in Japanese HS baseball, but I would have loved it there.

    2) The Sweeney PH for Wilson was a baffling as ever. Wilson hasn’t been hitting that badly lately and I would have trusted him more than Sweeney. Furthermore, doing so at that point meant that you had one bench player left, and that was your backup C. Needless to say, I was pretty much praying.

    3) To all the Griffey fans. Really? Is the performance today really what you want to see on the TV/ballpark? Even more than winning? I’m actually getting tired of seeing all the Griffey jerseys now at the ballpark.

    4) Regarding our C’s, is Chris Iannetta an option? He’s certainly in the Rockies’ doghouse having been sent to AAA, and he has offense, but he’s also a project.

    5) Tell the team to throw out everything they think about a traditional lineup. If it’s true that Kotchman/Bradley aren’t in the cleanup spot because of the “pressure”, then tell the team we aren’t the traditional type of offense.

    See, I’m in the same mindset as Dave here. I think we can still do this IF AND ONLY IF the offense is structured properly. And the problem is we have a black hole in Lopez and Griffey in the 4 and 5 spots that kill any rally. I don’t hate Lopez, I just don’t think he belongs in the #4 spot.

    Tell them that all we care about is getting on base and put the better on-base guys in the top of the order. For us, a walk IS just as good as a hit. Accept what we can and can’t do and take that mindset into the lineup.

    The team has proven that the premise of the offense can work. It’s just that right now, we’re pretty much putting one arm behind our backs.

  9. henryv on May 1st, 2010 12:30 am

    Mike Sweeney’s 1 pitch at-bat is grounds enough for release.

    You have the bases loaded and only one out.

    For f–k’s sake, why swing as the first pitch? Why swing at the second pitch? Just because you’re old doesn’t mean you need to be stupid, Mike. I could have stood there without a bat in my hand and had a better at bat than you, Mike.

    I have tickets to the June 22nd game, and if Mike Sweeney is still on this roster, I am going to burn an effigy of him on the third base line.

    The Byrnes play was stupid. Eric Byrnes is stupid. Stupid, stupid, stupid. It is a recorded fact. However, it was a momentary lapse in judgment where he forgot that he it was a squeeze, and not a safety squeeze.

    However, the Sweeney at bat was surpassing stupid. I’m sorry, if he can’t take one pitch, he shouldn’t be allowed within 100 miles of Safeco Field, by law.

    By the way, is it possible I could get 10,000 Eric Byrnes and Mike Sweeney Bobbleheads shipped to my house, so that I can practice my golf swing?

    Seriously, though. This team has this year to win, and we’re blowing it. We are the Al Gores of baseball.

  10. naviomelo on May 1st, 2010 12:34 am

    There are way too many things to talk about, but I’m under the weather, it’s 1:30 in the morning, and there’s another game in a few hours. I’ll do a longer recap tomorrow.

    Hope you feel better soon, Dave.

    There are some obvious choices that need to be made, but it seems they don’t want to upset the casual fan.

    Are these the same casual fans that didn’t have time to stay for extra innings at Safeco on a Friday night? Nothing could upset them. If they don’t care about a game like this, what do they care about? They’ll go to the games no matter what.

    So, don’t discount Colby Lewis or his performance.

    Lewis was great. What happened in extra innings after he left the game was extremely frustrating.

  11. Jeremariner on May 1st, 2010 1:12 am

    Three games into the season, they pull the six-man bullpen in a bold display of executive decisiveness.

    A month into the season, they have not only put forth a repeatedly sub-par lineup (and we’re not talking golf par measurements here…), but have lined them up into a rally-murdering batting order that just won’t budge. On that topic, whatever happened to the order du jour strategy of last year? I’d take that over what we’ve got now any day.

    Boil, allegorical frog, boil!

  12. pinball1973 on May 1st, 2010 1:23 am

    Byrnes pulled the bat back on a suicide squeeze. Bases-loaded suicide squeeze….

    Why? Was he sent up to the plate without adequate knowledge of this sort of play? Was he betting on the game against the M’s?* Is the he most f—ing stupid person allowed to hold a bat in a real game with the franchise?

    *Unfunny joke, but I’m more than annoyed.

  13. zackr on May 1st, 2010 1:23 am

    I don’t post much, but had to paste this piece from the espn recap story – ouch, Byrnes needs to get back on his meds….

    To top it off, Byrnes froze when Francisco threw a 1-2 pitch right down the middle for strike three, squandering Seattle’s chance to make Lee’s debut with the Mariners a winner.

    Byrnes bolted out the front door of the clubhouse riding his beach cruiser bicycle mere minutes after the game ended. He made a right turn down a tunnel and then made a 90-degree left turn around approaching Mariners general manager Jack Zduriencik before he could make eye contact.

    A bizarre end to a bizarre night.

    “We’ll discuss that tomorrow. Don’t know what happened,” Wakamatsu said of the play, not the bike bolt.

    In the visiting clubhouse, a handful of Rangers cracked up at a television replay of Byrnes pulling the bat back.

  14. RyanHend on May 1st, 2010 1:24 am

    There are a few things I have been itching to say this season, but am just now getting the time to actually convey my feelings toward this Mariners team.

    Sweeney has got to go. There are no two ways around it.

    Griffey needs to be relegated to a bench role where he starts maybe twice a week, maybe(I admit that I was one of the guys that wanted him back very badly this season… I hit my wall last week).

    Matt Tuiasosopo or however you spell it is NOT, by any means, a major leagu baseball player. He is like Willie Bloomquist, the only team he should ever hope for playing for is the Nationals, or the Royals.

    Jose Lopez has GOT TO GO!

    Someone mentioned that our starting SS cant hit. I could care less if a SS can hit. Historically the position has been one where you sacrifice hitting for defense a la Ozzie Smith/ Omar Vizquel. I would take Wilson’s defense and the way he plays the game ANY day of the week.

    Our Lineup should look like this

    1- Figgins 4
    2- Ichiro 9
    3- Bradley DH
    4- Gutierrez 8
    5- Kotchman 3
    6- Lopez 5
    7- Byrnes 7
    8- Moore 2
    9- Wilson 6

  15. spankystout on May 1st, 2010 1:33 am

    I’m guessing Byrnes was ashamed/frustrated he forgot the play, and left in disgust. Its no big deal (in my eyes) he left in that fashion.

  16. mln on May 1st, 2010 1:34 am

    “Byrnes bolted out the front door of the clubhouse riding his beach cruiser bicycle mere minutes after the game ended. He made a right turn down a tunnel and then made a 90-degree left turn around approaching Mariners general manager Jack Zduriencik before he could make eye contact.

    A bizarre end to a bizarre night.

    “We’ll discuss that tomorrow. Don’t know what happened,” Wakamatsu said of the play, not the bike bolt.

    In the visiting clubhouse, a handful of Rangers cracked up at a television replay of Byrnes pulling the bat back.”

    That is hilarious. Priceless.

    The image of Eric Byrnes riding out of Safeco on his bicycle with Ranger players chuckling over the botched suicide squeeze is a fitting end to the Mariners’ night.

    Mariner ineptitude in all its comic glory.

  17. CarpCarter on May 1st, 2010 1:40 am

    Completely embarrassing. An utter disgrace.

    I won’t say “Screw this team!” or “I’m done until x!” or anything like that.

    But Eric Byrnes does not belong on this team. Mike Sweeney does not belong on this or ANY major league team. He needs to RETIRE. He can’t do it anymore.

    Wak thus far this season has been a massive disappointment.

    Jack, Wak, and the front office are throwing this golden opportunity of a season away for what seems like absolutely no reason.

    Infuriating.

  18. PackBob on May 1st, 2010 1:41 am

    Byrnes squeeze AB was the worst AB I’ve ever watched. If Wak comes out tomorrow and says it was a safety squeeze, he’s just covering.

    Byrnes pulls the bat back, then obviously realizes what he’s done, and tries to re-bunt after the ball is by him. Then he stands there, perplexed, wondering how he could have done what he did, blocking Ichiro’s view and access to the plate.

    Guys can make contact with that pitch. Ichiro sometimes gets a hit off that pitch, or even worse. Bring up Langerhans.

  19. 300ZXNA on May 1st, 2010 1:47 am

    What would it take to get Josh Willingham? Replacing Byrnes with Willingham seems like it could be a nice upgrade. DFA Sweeney and Griffey, bring up Hannahan and Langerhans . . . *sigh*

    It’s almost as though about half way through spring training the ghost of Bill Bavasi entered into Z/Wak.

  20. erik.randall on May 1st, 2010 1:47 am

    Byrnes. Yes Byrnes looked terrible. However, how many times have you seen someone successfully bunt a splitfinger in the dirt?

    Also – if that was a safety squeeze that out is on Ichiro and not Byrnes.

  21. fairweatherfred on May 1st, 2010 3:52 am

    It would probably be hard to find a worse pitch to bunt. Why on earth they called a suicide squeeze then makes no sense. It was an 0-1 pitch, and the pitcher had been all over the place.

    If I had to guess, I’d say Byrnes though process went something like “There is no way in hell I can bunt that… oh shi–”

    And if the suicide squeeze was an option, why the hell didn’t they call for it the inning earlier, when you have Jack “The Buntmaster” Wilson going up there?!

    If it was a suicide squeeze, Byrnes messed it up. But they should have won the game by then already, so he isn’t the only one to blame.

  22. MrZDevotee on May 1st, 2010 6:02 am

    It’s one loss. Yes, there have been others. We’re also one game out of first place.

    Wak was trying like hell to win the game, and with our roster, that’s not an easy thing to do. And every move backfired, led by the inadequacy of two of our washed up players– Sweeney & Byrnes. I’m sure given a choice, as a Major League manager, Wak would jump at the opportunity to replace those guys with real talent.

    We can argue the decisions, but what we’re really arguing for is who we’d be more comfortable watching fail in those situations. No matter who we throw up there in key situations it’s not likely that they’re going to succeed above the league average– be it Griffey, Sweeney (or Garko), Byrnes, Tui, Langerhans, Josh Wilson, Hannahan, Saunders. They’re all at average or less talent with a bat in their hands.

    And I don’t fault Wak for trying like hell to win the game.

    Wak didn’t pull back the bunt. Wak didn’t throw the ball past Kotchman for an error. Wak didn’t make League and Moore allow the winning run to score without putting the ball in play (an ironic achievement given the Byrnes non-bunt attempt). AND- Wak didn’t expect his veteran hugger to ground into a double play on the first pitch he saw from an atypical arm motion pitcher.

    Truth be told, we were above where I expected us to be, playing a full month without Cliff Lee in the rotation.

    And I’m obviously in the minority when I say I thought it was a great game (until we had to go to our bench– and I don’t think ANYONE would consider this a team set up to win extra-innings affairs).

    Go M’s. (Glad we didn’t lose 10-2, like Oakland did.)

  23. curveballlee on May 1st, 2010 7:07 am

    Take it easy boys (girls). Lots of the season left. Disappointing loss last night. Hate to waste great pitching performance. As to Wak: seems he had the right play on to win the game–S squeeze. Surfer boy just didn’t make the play or misunderstood sign. Also, Wak is a sophmore manager. He’ll make mistakes. He’ll learn.

    Keep Griffey for now until he steps down of his own accord–which he will if his game continues to go south. Send Sweeney packing, probably Tui too, although Tui’s placed out of position all the time. Burns(sp) needs to hit the weight room.

    Leave Wilson alone. Excellent shortstop. Fun to watch. He hits better than people give him credit for. Shouldn’t have been pitch hit for–mistake (in hindsight) Give your starters the benefit of the doubt.

    Felix today. Mariners will finally score more than 3 runs.

  24. Paul B on May 1st, 2010 7:19 am

    Byrnes needs to go.
    Griffey needs to go.
    Mascot needs to go.
    Tui needs to go.

    Agree, except Tui can stay if they bring up someone to be the backup shortstop. Even good old replacement level Josh Wilson would be OK to be a defensive replacement.

    As for Griffey, either he agrees to announce his retirement (give him a tearful press conference, give him a special day, throw a party, whatever he wants) or else DFA him. He’s done, he’s toast, he’s a DH who won’t hit any better than he did last year, and probably worse.

    DFA Sweeney.

    Bring up another infielder (one who can play SS) and an outfielder.

    Either have a platoon in left with Bradley going to DH most days (which is what Dave was saying in spring training) or else bring up one of the power hitters and use them as a part time DH and part time backup for Kotchman.

  25. Paul B on May 1st, 2010 7:22 am

    Keep Griffey for now until he steps down of his own accord–which he will if his game continues to go south

    You really think so? My impression is that he will have to be nudged. In the game thread, I compared him to Frank Robinson (at the same age) and Willie Mays (if you subtract 2 years from Willie’s ages). Junior is very similar to those two in a lot of ways, and just like them he will probably continue to want to be on the team all year.

  26. ivan on May 1st, 2010 7:29 am

    Getting owned by Colby Lewis and Kyle Davies makes me want to kick my own face.

    I watched every pitch of this game and I have to call BS on that. Sims and Blowers both said repeatedly that Lewis was matching Lee pitch for pitch, and he was. He painted the corners, he worked up and down, and he caused Mariners hitters to swing at crap pitches.

    Fact is, they had nine innings to deal with him and they didn’t do it. He owned Griffey, sure, but he owned Gutierrez and Bradley and Figgins, too. All of them looked god-awful and in over their heads against Lewis. That’s how good Lewis was last night. He did everything Lee did, and in the same manner.

    Yes, the batting order sucks. No, Lopez should not be hitting cleanup. Yes, Griffey and Sweeney have to go. No, Tui should not be playing SS in a scoreless tie, or at any other time. No, they shouldn’t have pinch-hit for Wilson.

    It’s easy to put it all on Byrnes, and I make no excuses for him. I was thinking squeeze as soon as he came up, because heaven knows he can’t hit anymore. But give Francisco some credit — he threw a pitch that not many other hitters could have gotten a bat on.

    Reality is that they had 27 outs in regulation to score one stinking run, and they didn’t do it. That’s the bigger problem, and that’s the one they need to fix.

    Cut Sweeney. Give Tui all his at-bats. Send Griffey to the DL so they can still give the gomers his damn bobbleheads. Make Bradley the DH. Cut Byrnes. He’s just hopeless.

    Bring up Hannahan, Langerhans, and Zeke Carrera. See if Carrera can draw walks against AL pitching, and if he can, put him in LF and bat him 9th. Then you have the on-base pests Carrera, Ichiro, and Figgins back-to-back-to-back. If he can’t, send him back down and go get a RH-hitting OF somewhere.

    Bat Bradley 3rd, Gutierrez 4th, Kotchman 5th, and Lopez 6th. It makes Tui the only RH bat off the bench, which is not a great tradeoff, but it’s better than what they have now.

  27. downwarddog on May 1st, 2010 8:15 am

    It was a frustrating game. To waste a performance like that by Cliff Lee is some sort of sin. And while the writing has been on the wall regarding this team’s roster issues since opening day, there is one issue that hasn’t been addressed nearly enough: this team’s payroll is anywhere from 9-12 million dollars less than it was last year. While Jack Z clearly has his blind spots, somehow I think he could have come up with a bit more production had ownership given him the cash to do it.

  28. tubbabubba22 on May 1st, 2010 8:16 am

    But give Francisco some credit — he threw a pitch that not many other hitters could have gotten a bat on.

    No see the thing is you can’t give the pitcher any credit. If the suicide squeeze is on, the batter needs to do ANYTHING he can to get something on the ball. THROW YOUR BAT AT THE BALL IF YOU CAN’T REACH IT. Seriously dude, that missed squeeze is all on Byrnes. You NEVER pull the bat back no matter how bad the pitch is. Never.

    And I know Griffey is really struggling, but I still think that is not the main issue here. Sweeney is the main issue along with byrnes being our backup outfielder. And it’s the fact that Griffey is hitting so high in the order that hurts as well.

  29. ndrfx on May 1st, 2010 8:47 am

    Jim Caple says it may be the worst AB in major league history.

  30. CCW on May 1st, 2010 9:07 am

    [bleeeep]!

  31. north on May 1st, 2010 9:36 am

    From the espn wrap:

    Franklin Gutierrez, the No. 3 hitter who struck out against Lewis in his previous two at-bats, twice failed on sacrifice bunt attempts before striking out again, a sequence that particularly galled Wakamatsu.

    Great, the last member of the early segment of the batting order that can hit
    is asked to bunt. I hope the writer exaggerated the implication that Wakamatsu was particularly “galled” at the failed bunt. I do not want to see management start blaming star players, or even hint at it.

    I am in the camp that believes Z. is a good GM, and he could easily move up to great. He does that by somehow handling the front office politics required for him to push through some necessary roster decisions. I have trouble believing that Z. isn’t aware of the roster problems, but there is third element to being a GM – the political acumen and subtle negotiating skills required to convince upper management.

  32. the tourist on May 1st, 2010 9:39 am

    Stop it with the snarkiness. If you want to do that just go away. It’s not productive.

    I wasn’t being snarky. I’m truly excited for what Jack is going to do with those draft picks and excited to see if those draft picks pan out. Is that such a foreign thought that it must be considered to be a thought full of snark?

  33. Jack Howland on May 1st, 2010 9:44 am

    As to Wak: seems he had the right play on to win the game–S squeeze.

    That play was a terrible idea from the start.

  34. Paul L on May 1st, 2010 9:44 am

    Last night I said it must have been Ichiro’s fault because I couldn’t fathom Byrnes not bunting in a squeeze situation. I was wrong. Boy was I wrong.

    If Piniella was manager Byrnes would be DFA’d today.

  35. zjmuglidny on May 1st, 2010 9:46 am

    Amen. The offense sucks, but obtaining ONE bat right now won’t make much of a difference.

    I disagree obtaining one bat could make a huge difference right now. Griffey and Sweeney currently each have a negative WAR and there is no reason to think they are going to improve much. This probably isn’t a funk. More likely they are old and can no longer hack it.

    Adding a good-but-not-great bat like Luke Scott could add 2-3 wins. Adding a great bat like Adrian Gonzalez could add 5-6 wins (prorated depending on when they acquire them). Looking at the AL West this could be the difference between playoffs and non-playoffs.

    The issue isn’t that one bat won’t make a difference. It’s that getting that one bat isn’t easy or cheap. The Ms should triage the situation (maybe Langerhans/Tui in LF and Bradley at DH) and then seriously start looking at acquiring a decent bat.

    I’m not at the sky-is-falling point with the Ms, but it is getting very frustrating watching them when they don’t seem to be trying to fix their obvious holes.

  36. bellacaramella on May 1st, 2010 9:54 am

    Hope Byrnes didn’t choke on his mouthguard during the bike ride home. How that guy shows up to work today, I don’t know.

    Ron Washington got thrown out of a game because there is no way he thought you were stupid enough to pull your bat back!

    Priceless. That was a tough pitch, but he has to have his head in the game and get a bat on it. It’s 0-0. Extra innings. We’re not looking for a home run or a gap double. That play should be well within Byrnes’s skill set.

    This was a confluence of bad luck (the Kotchman check swing), unprofessional execution (Byrnes, Sweeney, et. al.), and some very good pitching on the Texas side.

    At some point, one of these four AL West teams is going to put together a 15 wins out of 18 games stretch and shovel serious dirt on everyone beneath them. Hope it’s us, but not with nights like last night.

    The last Griffey promo is July 8. Maybe that’ll coincide with the farewell ceremony.

  37. beckya57 on May 1st, 2010 10:03 am

    Realistically, management would have a huge PR problem getting rid of Jr. The casual fan base would go absolutely ballistic. We committed fans would love it, but face it, we’re a small minority in comparison. Getting rid of Sweeney, Byrnes and Tui, on the other hand, are no-brainers that should be done immediately. I don’t know who’s available, but these guys have proven beyond a doubt that they can’t get the job done, and so they need to be gone. As for Wak, I’m reserving judgment until he has a better roster to work with.

  38. MarinerFanMike03 on May 1st, 2010 10:05 am

    See the Mariners, to me, are like communism. Great on paper, terrible in practice.

  39. beckya57 on May 1st, 2010 10:05 am

    I think it’s also pretty obvious that we’re going to get buried by the AL East in the next few weeks. It may not be too early to think about next year. Giving Lee reasons to sign, i.e. an offense to support him and Felix, should be the top priority.

  40. ripperlv on May 1st, 2010 10:12 am

    Ouch, ouch, ouch. I would rather see Carp and Everidge at DH, and that’s scary. But really 7 relievers when starting pitching is the strong point, doesn’t make sense. Having only Brynes and Tui as your bench doesn’t make sense. Gutt has fallen from the Penthouse, but with this lineup, there’s no where to hide a guy in a slump. Ouch, ouch, ouch.

  41. mlathrop3 on May 1st, 2010 10:24 am

    This team is like a rocky marriage and I went to bed angry. I woke up, and I’m still angry.

    Now I am angry on Felix day? That’s just wrong.

  42. Paul L on May 1st, 2010 10:39 am

    I’m not a casual fan, and I would go ballistic if they got rid of Jr before dealing with all the other crap.

    Get rid of Sweeney, bring up Langerhans, fix the batting order. Put JR on the bench except to DH against RH pitching.

  43. Jeff Nye on May 1st, 2010 10:46 am

    Okay, this isn’t really the right spot for this, but it’s been grating on me for a while (the idea, NOT the specific post I’m quoting this from):

    Realistically, management would have a huge PR problem getting rid of Jr. The casual fan base would go absolutely ballistic.

    At this point, who cares what the casual fanbase thinks?

    It’d be different if the presence of The Holy Griffey were filling the park night after night to bask in his glory. But attendance right now is crap, and frankly I think that a lot of the people who are screaming that Griffey has to be a part of the team until the day he dies either a) don’t go to the ballpark other than once in a blue moon, or b) sit in the 8 dollar bleacher seats.

    And guess what? If the team on the field was better, more people would be coming to the ballpark.

    I’m not trying to pick on anyone in specific so please don’t take it that way; but there just isn’t any evidence for this idea that people would stage some sort of massive fan walkout if Griffey was off the team. That’s already happening, but it’s because the product on the field isn’t as good as it could be.

  44. mironos on May 1st, 2010 10:47 am

    More reason to cry:

    Sexson 2008 .221 .321 .382
    Jack Wilson .238 .333 .333
    Vidro 2008 .234 .274 .338
    Chone Figgins .200 .330 .275
    Ken Griffey, Jr. .228 .290 .246
    Jose Lopez .226 .255 .290
    Adam Moore .175 .214 .225

  45. downwarddog on May 1st, 2010 11:30 am

    Now let’s not get ahead of ourselves with running Junior out of town. There are two more bobblehead nights to go.

  46. JasonJ on May 1st, 2010 11:59 am

    I’m not giving up on this team yet, but I’m certainly taking a slight break. Last night’s game was a gut shot and when you combine that with the sweep in Chicago it has burned me out a little.

    I have to say that Wak needs his head examined for pinch hitting Sweeney and serving Texas a double play on a silver platter. I tried to think of how it made any sense to make that move and I just couldn’t do it. They were playing for the DP, why put the slowest man in the majors at the plate when all you need is a slow grounder or chopper to win the game? Wilson may have done the same thing, but he at least has a chance of beating out a throw.

    Oh well. The AL west is a cluster of medicority. Why should we be any different?

  47. okdan on May 1st, 2010 2:45 pm

    I’m not sure why so much blame is coming down on Wak for last night’s game.

    How about some blame for Guti? Some blame for Kotchman? Both of these guys had RBIs served up to them, and they blew the chance. They didn’t execute in key opportunities. Both of those guys are some of our best producers so far, but let’s call a spade a spade.

    It’s obvious that Sweeney shouldn’t be on this roster, but do we really think that replacing one 4th outfielder (Byrnes) with another (Langerhans) is going to make any noticeable difference? This team’s problems run much deeper.

  48. Wolfman on May 2nd, 2010 12:38 pm

    And of course, that’s contingent on signing Lee.

    I’ve been wondering why Lee would re-sign here with an offense that gives him NO support? Did you guys notice Philly won 10-0 for Halliday the other night? I wonder what was going through Cliff’s mind when he saw that?

    I also have to say I’ve been very frustrated with the M’s performance so far. Moves need to be made. But some of your posts are hilarious! Thanks for the laughs. They were much needed for this M’s fan! Misery loves company, I guess.

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