Game Thirty-Nine Recap

Dave · May 18, 2010 at 10:49 pm · Filed Under Mariners 

Boo, 14-25.

A lot of stuff happened. A lot of it mattered. But there’s only one thing you need to know. With a one run lead in the 7th inning, two runners on base, and nobody out, Wak went to the mound and summoned Sean White. That’s not the only reason they lost, but it’s reason enough to earn it.

11 games under .500, 7 1/2 games out of first place… If the Mariners don’t make wholesale changes tomorrow, then we might as well just shut the blog down and go do something else for the next four months. This is beyond ridiculous. The season is a few days away from being a lost cause, and the Mariners continue to lose due to staggeringly bad performances from the worst players on the roster, who are repeatedly put into remarkably important situations. Players who don’t even belong in the major leagues.

It didn’t have to be like this. Despite all the slumps and the injuries and the problems, the team could have survived. But they can’t survive another day of DH Griffey, Setup Man White, or Shortstop Tui.

Changes. Tomorrow. Or Fury.

Comments

85 Responses to “Game Thirty-Nine Recap”

  1. TomTuttle on May 18th, 2010 10:51 pm

    Changes. Four Weeks Ago. Or. Fury.

  2. shortbus on May 18th, 2010 10:53 pm

    Oooh! Oooh!! Fury, please!!

  3. RRS for Prez on May 18th, 2010 10:53 pm

    I wish Kanekoa had a chance to get himself out of it. Bringing White in was like an automatic 2 runs. Is White good at anything?

  4. IwearMsHats on May 18th, 2010 10:55 pm

    Screw that, I’m furious now! Should have bought the 16 game pack with the Rainiers or Aquasox!

  5. lailaihei on May 18th, 2010 10:56 pm

    It’s too late. The damage is done and there is no fixing it. The 2010 Mariners are without a hope of sniffing the playoffs and we are left questioning how the front office could let a year slide away without a fight. Congratulations Texas or Oakland for taking the AL West crown from the Angels, maybe next year our management won’t screw our season over by mid-May.

  6. nickwest1976 on May 18th, 2010 10:56 pm

    Appreciate the passion Dave, well said.

    I am really disappointed in Wak’s bullpen management and while there are a lot of other reasons this team is losing, so many of these games on this road trip were winnable and I feel like the bullpen management on this trip in particular was a total head scratcher.

  7. scharmers on May 18th, 2010 10:56 pm

    I cannot wait for the Frogs to start up here in Everett. Cheaper seats (and cheaper eats) to watch kids do the same things the Mariners are doing: whiffing outrageously and committing error after error. And the chance to blasted in the chest with a T-Shirt slingshot, to boot.

  8. bilbo27 on May 18th, 2010 10:57 pm

    Wak has officially lost me. I loved him last year, but this year his Hargrove-esk “playing my guys” shtick regardless of performance or future outlook for that player is getting ridiculous.

  9. luckyscrubs on May 18th, 2010 10:58 pm

    Bradley may be back tomorrow — the question is who goes? Based on Langerhans AB I wouldn’t be surprised to see him put on the DL, but this does nothing to fix our horribly inflexible bench.

    Man, what a huge letdown this season has been.

  10. usabaseballfan on May 18th, 2010 10:58 pm

    It’s so frustrating that us fans have ZERO say in any of this. I know that I can’t rationally expect to sway any of the management’s decisions, but this time the decisions that need to be made are SO OBVIOUS! It is so frustrating to be a fan of the Seattle Mariners.

    Is there another manager in MLB that has been responsible for losing more of his team’s games than Don Wakamatsu? I highly doubt it.

  11. MrZDevotee on May 18th, 2010 11:01 pm

    I’m tired. Not tonight, but for the season. This is exhausting, this hope tied up in futility.

    We’re locked in a burning building, and the guy in charge (Wak) has a key ring, and insists on trying the same keys that don’t fit the lock OVER and OVER and OVER… As the smoke thickens, the temperature rises, and hope wanes.

    He’s Magruber… And every game ends with time running out and an explosion.

    Predictably, at this point.

  12. luckyscrubs on May 18th, 2010 11:02 pm

    …his Hargrove-esk “playing my guys” shtick regardless of performance or future outlook for that player is getting ridiculous.

    Well said. Wak’s “belief system” in certain players over others is infuriating. Griffey is out there in the 5 spot time and time again, while Texeira (who has been incredible lately) throws 3 pitches and gets pulled?

    I can’t imagine Wak getting axed, but if the team keeps playing like this through June then what?

  13. peterfox on May 18th, 2010 11:03 pm

    Tonight might have been the night I grew numb for the season.

    That was horrible. I am so tired of watching the Mariners lose. The last few years, it felt like at least losing served a purpose – to prove a point almost. This year just feels like a disgusting waste.

    I’m with you, Dave.

  14. spankystout on May 18th, 2010 11:04 pm

    My vote is for fury! Have at em’ Dave. There is more than enough reason. Wak has been as big a disappointment as the offense.

  15. kenshabby on May 18th, 2010 11:11 pm

    Please don’t shut down the blog. USSM and heavy drinking are my only two ways to unwind after a long, stressful day of dealing with the idiots at work. Without USSM I may have to resort to both heavy drinking and hitting the crack pipe.

  16. MrZDevotee on May 18th, 2010 11:12 pm

    RE: Wak’s aura

    And as if there wasn’t enough to complain about already– he even kinda came off bad trying to argue with the ump on Felix’s behalf… What WAS that? Horrible…

  17. TomTuttle on May 18th, 2010 11:12 pm

    It’s so frustrating that us fans have ZERO say in any of this. I know that I can’t rationally expect to sway any of the management’s decisions, but this time the decisions that need to be made are SO OBVIOUS! It is so frustrating to be a fan of the Seattle Mariners.

    One more reason why Drew Carey is more savvy in pro sports administration than Chuck Armstrong and Howard Lincoln combined. And that says A LOT.

    And as for this roster, it’s time Z takes a good, long look at this roster and see who will be here in 2011-2013 when this team has a better chance to win.

    I say for the people that WON’T be here. Cut your losses now and cut them all in one foul swoop.

    Make a fucking statement.

    Instead of “Believe Big”, tell the players to “Put Up or Shut Up”.

    I’m sure there are guys in Tacoma and in free agency that’d love to play in MLB right now, albeit for a shitty team.

    For example: Luke French and Brad Nelson should be on this roster at least in the interim while Griffey/Sweeney and RR Smith probably don’t have a long-term future with us at this point.

  18. mrt1212 on May 18th, 2010 11:17 pm

    Griffey…LOB…3

    BUT THERE’S OTHER PLAYERS DESTROYING THE ORG RIGHT NOW.

  19. IwearMsHats on May 18th, 2010 11:21 pm

    You know how the Rays weren’t very good last season and now they’re outstanding this season? Is that the track we’re on!?

  20. Joeyjojo Jr Shabadoo on May 18th, 2010 11:24 pm

    Dave Cameron, you know what must be done so do it! Sleep on it, get it together with a clear mind and unload.

    This is ridiculous. Unleash the fury now for all of us. Griff at DH? No backup shortstop? No one to give Figgins, Lopez, or Kotchman a day to rest on the roster? No adequate catcher on the roster? Release the rage Dave. The roster is broken and we all know it. Simply calling up Luke French to take RR-S place in the rotation isn’t enough. Wak and Jack either need to be put on notice, or to hell with blind support.

  21. Jake N. on May 18th, 2010 11:27 pm

    The only thing that will make any difference, is the plummetting attendance. Get that average gate number down arround 7 thousand and presto-changeo. We will have a new direction. No more gritty vets… No more Belief system… Only performance will get you playing time. Mmm I can only dream. At this fucken point they should move the AA team into SafeCo. It would have more meaning then this group. BTW just how many blown games does it take to get a Manager canned?

  22. scott19 on May 18th, 2010 11:37 pm

    One more reason why Drew Carey is more savvy in pro sports administration than Chuck Armstrong and Howard Lincoln combined. And that says A LOT.

    Great point, Tom.

    Actually, though, I’m thinking about running out and stocking up on all the Giants gear I can. After all, when some cowboy decides to come along and saddle the M’s on off to San Antonio long about 2015 or so, at least I’ll still have a non-expendable West Coast team to fall back on.

  23. thehemogoblin on May 18th, 2010 11:37 pm

    I can’t wait for the rage. So excited.

  24. Celadus on May 18th, 2010 11:38 pm

    Even given all those bad moves, I think the team could have won three or four more games if not for the atrocious baserunning. Tonight for example, a man got thrown out at third before the runner had a chance to score on a single.

    Score that run and the game likely doesn’t go into extra innings.

    I’m not sure if I’ve ever seen worse baserunning decisions on a teamwide, consistent basis.

    Almost as if overaggressiveness on the bases was proclaimed a policy by someone.

    Hmm . . .

    Screw it. Back to Wallace Stevens and Wittgenstein. Somebody wake me up in 2011.

  25. spankystout on May 18th, 2010 11:41 pm

    Well I am on board with not paying major league prices to watch this AAA team.

  26. Axtell on May 18th, 2010 11:44 pm

    Did I somehow make my way in a time machine back to 2008?

    Johjima-Johnson
    Vidro-Griffey/Sweeney

    The saddest part of those analogies is the 2008 versions were better (if that’s possible).

    Is Felix looking at himself in the mirror and asking ‘wtf did I do signing that extension?’ Is Cliff Lee asking himself in the mirror ‘when do I get out of this hell hole?’

    It’s amazing to me that, once again, we’re looking at a lost season – IN MAY. How is that Wak goes from wunderkind to ‘I’m sticking with my vets! No matter how shitty they play!’ literally overnight?

    Argh…so frustrating. Night after night of absolute blunders, between the inability of this team to tell Griffey ‘dude, you have to retire. We’ll let you do it, we’re not going to push you out, but you’re killing this team’ to Wak’s continued insistence that White is a major league pitcher to the same tired lineups every single night.

    I could understand it more if there weren’t great pieces of this puzzle, I would be more understanding. But for pitchers like Felix and Cliff and have no expectation of a win is beyond belief. I have no doubt that Felix has no trust in this team and therefore has lost confidence in his pitching.

    When does football season start up?

  27. gag harbor on May 18th, 2010 11:47 pm

    Wak might have that belief system in his head but he’s running the risk of creating a whole season of disbelief among the fans. I’ve gotten the point where I expect the team to lose and to take the edge off it, I laugh when it’s confirmed and move on to other things. I hate it when this team leaves me this way.

    The roster truly sucks but Wak is losing games at the manager level just by the way he’s going about his business. I’m burned out (already!) on the belief system and would rather watch minor league ball.

  28. loveMeSomeStats on May 18th, 2010 11:50 pm

    yeah, I’m done. I can deal with the team having only so much talent. But I can’t deal with them not putting their best team on the field. At least if they are well managed, then that becomes interesting. Wak’s “belief system” sounds to me like all those other managers who have their favorite players.

  29. shortbus on May 18th, 2010 11:51 pm

    Frankly I don’t know what more Dave can do. He’s laid out the framework for the changes the team needs to make and has been hammering them on the blog and on Twitter for over a week now. It wouldn’t be very Cameronesque to author an all-caps, profanity-laced screed. Nor productive.

    Really, there’s no way to reach the team if they don’t want to be reached. I honestly feel this front office won’t wait as long as the last to make some kind of change. But all we can do is wait for them to do it. I like going to games, so I’ll still go. I won’t boo Griffey because of what he’s done for this franchise. But I wish we hadn’t signed him and I wish he would retire.

    I’ve got faith that the team will make changes and fury won’t be necessary anyway. This isn’t Bavasi / McLaren…as annoying as Wak has been.

  30. Mariner Melee on May 18th, 2010 11:55 pm

    I’m pretty sure a definition of insanity is doing something in the same manner over and over, but expecting different results.

    Wak has just about driven me nuts. I don’t really know how to feel about him. I know deep down in there somewhere there is a good manager, I saw bits of him last year.

    But 2010 Wak is insane.

  31. scott19 on May 19th, 2010 12:00 am

    But 2010 Wak is insane.

    Actually, I think the Wak we’re seeing this year is his “evil” twin from the mirror universe — who’s shaved off his goatee to look like the “good” Wak from last year.

  32. daveblev on May 19th, 2010 12:06 am

    shortbus – Why would you not boo Griffey? I don’t care what he did for the franchise..I love the dude. He needs to be booed out of town though, this whole season collapse is entirely his fault. He needs to regret the day he signed the 2010 contract. Boo the hell out of him!

  33. CC03 on May 19th, 2010 12:07 am

    Coming into the season I honestly didn’t think this team was much more than a .500 club at best, so I’ve taken this season easier than most because I wasn’t expecting the team to win the west.

    One thing I really hate about this team the last half decade is they really have no identity or personality, and they certainly haven’t been exciting. Last year they had a bit of personality, but other than that, this team is very hard to watch at times, and it’s hard to get excited about them. They’re flat out boring.

  34. fiftyone on May 19th, 2010 12:28 am

    MrZDevotee-
    The Magruber analogy is the best thing I’ve read all day. Delicious. Thanks for that.

  35. hark on May 19th, 2010 12:33 am

    Did I somehow make my way in a time machine back to 2008?

    Johjima-Johnson
    Vidro-Griffey/Sweeney

    The saddest part of those analogies is the 2008 versions were better (if that’s possible).

    The difference is that we had a reasonable expectation that Johjima was awesome again. He had a down year.

    We had no expectation for Rob Johnson. We all knew he sucked coming in, and yet here he is still.

  36. PackBob on May 19th, 2010 12:40 am

    Running Griffey out there on a daily basis in the heart of the order says it all. How can you root for a team that believes this is best for the team?

    What kind of team keeps trying the same thing over and over and over and over and over again and again and again and again when it doesn’t work?

    Please, make it stop.

  37. pinball1973 on May 19th, 2010 12:58 am

    I don’t feel betrayed by the FO, as I did when the Jones trade was made. Strangely.

    Give me another two weeks of this, though, and I will be, since some of the solutions are obvious to everyone. I am not exaggerating when I say “everyone”. I will not even read the recap, win or lose, if Sweeney or Junior is in the lineup. I will not be doing anything but checking Ichiro’s line (and highlights) if they are still on the team next week.

    This slump is an insult to the fans, not merely the effect of bad luck (though there has been plenty – the umpiring tonight was crapola, giving the outside strike ONLY to the A’s).
    I do not like this team, however much I like several players on it. It is not entertainment, but – I repeat myself – an insult.

    P.s. When was the new MLB rule put into effect that the Mariners MUST lose any game in which they have less than a two-run lead in the eigth inning? It sucks, and is not fair.

  38. Breadbaker on May 19th, 2010 1:02 am

    True story: I’m listening on the radio and driving to the grocery store. The bottom of the first is going on and on and Rizzs is giving the pitch count after every pitch. Finally, Felix wiggles off the hook with an amazing single run scored against them.

    Lopez sees three pitches and singles. Griffey swings at the first pitch and does nothing. Kotchman swings at the first pitch and hits into a room service double play. And I scream, I mean scream, “FIVE FUCKING PITCHES! WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?” And I realize that either this has to stop or I have stop caring. Because nothing as stupid as the way this team is playing should make me so angry.

    I’m sorry, but this is on Wak and Wak alone. Any professional baseball manager has to tell his team in the top of the second, “the take sign is on until you get two strikes. Felix needs a breather.” And anyone who didn’t follow orders is benched, if they have to play Bard at first base and Tui at DH. So since he didn’t pull either Griffey or Kotchman, he either didn’t put on the take sign, in which case he is more of an idiot than even I imagined, or he did and there are no consequences for ignoring it, in which case he has lost the clubhouse and we may as well appoint Mike Sweeney player-manager, because he’s running the show now.

  39. ppl on May 19th, 2010 1:06 am

    Too bad it is like this, the run prevention has basically worked, and almost every game has been winnable.

    That along with the division has kept hope alive.

    But with Texas winning tonight it is beyond “Slipping away” now, it is “Sliding away.”

    Changes need to be made, by the end of the week, by tommorow, should have happened yesterday.

  40. Diehard on May 19th, 2010 3:38 am

    It seems like the M’s are destined to lose any one run game or extra inning game they play this year thanks to the stellar use of the bench and bullpen. ugh It sucks to be an M’s fan right now when we all know the lineup tonight will be running out the same bad players in the same spots.

  41. Dennisss on May 19th, 2010 4:36 am

    Dave, Dave, Dave. I rarely disagree with your comments, but tomorrow? Seriously? What about today? What about last game, when you said it was Get Serious Time, and we got the You Can’t Be Serious lineup, again?

    Whatever good the front office and our fine manager have done, it has been overwhelmed by their mistakes. Despite some bad starts, this team should not play this badly.

    Fury. Now. I want to see this.

    Also, I think it should be emphasized what a horrific choice Rob Johnson made when he tried to take third on a single and gave up a run. That just looked amateur to me. Obviously, you have to have a near 100% chance to make that play worthwhile, and Johnson was nowhere near 100%. Good teams and good players don’t make blunders like that, and it likely cost them the game. That was just inexcusable.

  42. Chris_From_Bothell on May 19th, 2010 6:20 am

    It’s really sad that when I saw Johnson get himself out at 3rd base, I said “well, that’s the game right there”. Stupid foolish optimism made me check in on GameDay later and I said “hey! look at that, they rallied, 4-3…”, then immediately saw that Sean White was brought in, and, kid you not, the moment GameDay caught up to the action, the next update I got was the dreaded “..in play, run(s) scored”.

    If the Mariners don’t make wholesale changes tomorrow, then we might as well just shut the blog down and go do something else for the next four months.

    I say again: The local blogs should coordinate to have a day of mourning for the lost opportunities of this season. Just nothing but a black background, and “R.I.P. Mariners Season, May 2010″. The online equivalent of wearing black armbands or something.

    I’d participate in a BagHead Day or something on Wednesday or Friday, but that would require gaining admission to the ballpark, and the Mariners do not deserve my money right now…

  43. Rick Banjo on May 19th, 2010 6:22 am

    Why would you not boo Griffey? I don’t care what he did for the franchise..I love the dude. He needs to be booed out of town though, this whole season collapse is entirely his fault. He needs to regret the day he signed the 2010 contract. Boo the hell out of him!

    If that’s not sarcastic, it’s irredeemably stupid. Really? Release Griff now = problem solved?

  44. Dennisss on May 19th, 2010 6:35 am

    Release Griffey now = immediate incremental improvement. Unless someone has a magic bullet that will make the team all better in one step, it has to be done in several steps. Replacing Griffey is a really obvious one.

    People keep pointing out that releasing him won’t solve the problem, but that is not a reason to stick with something that isn’t working, to say the least.

    I would not boo him, but this has to end.

  45. Sutiyo on May 19th, 2010 7:11 am

    I’ve gotten the point where I expect the team to lose and to take the edge off it, I laugh when it’s confirmed and move on to other things. I hate it when this team leaves me this way.

    Exactly how I watch the games lately. I watch the ninth inning with my finger on the power button while positioning myself to leave the room. I don’t know why I keep giving this team second chances, when I know nothing’s changed.

  46. Jake N. on May 19th, 2010 7:19 am

    Dave I would realy, realy like to hear your opinion on what player in AAAA ball we could get. I do not think it will make much difference. The Mariners are holding onto 643 and Griffey like a piece of wreckage off Titanics deck, while flailing away in the frigid northern Atlantic. Does that paint a close enough picture?

    I do see changes coming, Wak has lost this teams ear. Imagine you are one of the younger players in that dugout, when Wak comes at you with belief system…. At some point you would snap and chase him around the field waving a bat wildly, screaming I believe Griffey can’t hit…

  47. daveblev on May 19th, 2010 7:29 am

    Rick Banjo: If that’s not sarcastic, it’s irredeemably stupid. Really? Release Griff now = problem solved?

    Are you blind? Release Griff now solves the big picture. This frees up a roster space and could net a trade for Hanley Ramirez as our shortstop. Chemistry is a joke..who cares if he called out a manager, the dude has skills.

  48. PADJ on May 19th, 2010 7:40 am

    “…he has lost the clubhouse and we may as well appoint Mike Sweeney player-manager, because he’s running the show now.”

    “Wak has lost this teams ear…”

    2010 Wak = 2009 Jim Mora

    I’ll have the fury please…with a side of indignation…

  49. Gomez on May 19th, 2010 7:46 am

    While I want wholesale changes ASAP just like everyone does, I almost want to see the team stand pat and take another one in the shorts just to see what the Dave meltdown is like.

  50. BlackHaloBender on May 19th, 2010 8:05 am

    The most annoying thing is this team really is two decent bats away from being at least .500. Just look our with-Milton record and he’s slightly less than decent.

    Can we bring up the diminishing returns issue again? You can have 5 Cliff Lees but it’s won’t matter if your bullpen is 5 Sean Whites.

  51. bongo on May 19th, 2010 8:21 am

    While getting Griffey off the roster would improve the team, treating a hall-of-fame player with respect and dignity is also important.

    The best way to help Jr go gracefully would be for Wak to make the best choices for the team. Right now that means benching Griffey. After a month of this, hopefully Jr will get the message and retire.

    Since this is a delicate issue, I cut the Mariners some slack on it. However, swapping out RRS for French, White for Kelley, and Sweeney for Nelson isn’t nearly as hard.

  52. bongo on May 19th, 2010 8:24 am

    How about a new motto: “Believe Bag”. As in wearing a paper bag over our heads at games, New Orleans ‘Aints style.

  53. Osfan on May 19th, 2010 8:29 am

    Sean White – I was playing MLB 2K9 once as Baltimore and Sean White was brought in from the bullpen. He threw 3 pitches. Each one was hit out of the park. I think 2K9 did a pretty good job of replicating him.

  54. craycraft on May 19th, 2010 8:39 am

    Reading (and feeling) all of this ire towards the M´s management team it makes me think of a cool protest/stunt that would be admittedly impossible (or at least really difficult) to pull off.

    What if Ussmariner and LL and any other blogs that have any kind of following got everyone organized to buy a ticket to a specific game so that the stadium is as full as possible at the first pitch. Then, following the first pitch, everyone gets up and leaves. Just a long, slow procession of fans out of the stadium in protest.

    Obviously, there are major problems with this plan. For example, everyone would have to buy a ticket (some would have to step up and buy the expensive ones at that) and that would be quite a sacrifice for a game you don´t intend on staying for. Also, not everyone who frequents these sites lives in the Seattle area (I live in Chicago, for example). Those two things would make it nearly impossible to get the numbers necessary to pull something like this off.

    While I know that something like this isn´t likely, now that I´m thinking about it, I can´t help picturing how cool it would look to have 20 or 30 thousand fans in the stands at the start of a game and have that number dwindle to 2 or 3 thousand by the end of Figgins´at bat. The TV and Radio guys would have to comment. It would certainly end up on Sportcenter and all the other highlight shows. Someone commented above on how fans don´t get any input into the process of running a team, but something like this would definitely send a message.

    Again, I´m dreaming here. It´ll never happen. But it would be a pretty cool way to express our displeasure.

  55. shortbus on May 19th, 2010 8:42 am

    I’m constitutionally incapable of booing the following people:

    Edgar Martinez
    Randy Johnson
    Ken Griffey, Jr.

    They could dance on a bed of live kittens wearing golf shoes and all I could do would be to yell, “I feel strongly that what you are doing is truly ill-advised!!”

    I booed Sexson and Vidro. Especially Sexson who had played with a hidden injury the year before. That shit pisses me off. What Griffey is doing is simply what (nearly) all great players do…failing to understand when it’s time to hang them up. He’s earned at least enough respect not to get booed in his own park.

  56. MBK on May 19th, 2010 8:55 am

    Again, I´m dreaming here. It´ll never happen. But it would be a pretty cool way to express our displeasure.

    If something like this was ever organized I would participate, but you’re right it is highly unlikely. More likely is the soon to be rapid decline in ticket sales. Which will still send a very potent message to the ownership.

  57. LongDistance on May 19th, 2010 9:07 am

    Wake me up when they win.

  58. Gomez on May 19th, 2010 9:13 am

    Reading (and feeling) all of this ire towards the M´s management team it makes me think of a cool protest/stunt that would be admittedly impossible (or at least really difficult) to pull off.

    What if Ussmariner and LL and any other blogs that have any kind of following got everyone organized to buy a ticket to a specific game so that the stadium is as full as possible at the first pitch. Then, following the first pitch, everyone gets up and leaves. Just a long, slow procession of fans out of the stadium in protest.

    Baltimore Orioles fans tried something like this in 2006. Seeing how things remained as they are, I can’t say it had much of an impact.

  59. Marinersdude83 on May 19th, 2010 9:23 am

    Is it bad that at this point I kind of want the M’s to lose so that Wak or Z will actually have to do something to fix this club.

    C’mon Wak, you can wish an cross your fingers in one hand, an take a shit in another an see which one gets filled the fastest.

  60. mrt1212 on May 19th, 2010 9:27 am

    Can we add Moose to the 25 man roster? Can we use dizzy bats?

  61. fermorules on May 19th, 2010 9:31 am

    Granted the bats are horrific, but the Mariners’ bullpen is awful. For example, League walking Pennington on four pitches last night was pathetic. I mean, he gets the first guy on two pitches, and then can’t come close to the strike zone. We see this crap from the bullpen over and over again.

    So if Cockrell could get thrown under the bus, why not Wetteland too? Game after game relievers enter the game unable to throw strikes, and when they do, it’s meat right over the heart of the plate.

    When he cut Cockrell loose, Z said the hitters were “under-performing”. Well, I say the bullpen is under-performing, too.

  62. craycraft on May 19th, 2010 9:39 am

    Baltimore Orioles fans tried something like this in 2006. Seeing how things remained as they are, I can’t say it had much of an impact.

    That´s what makes this idea such a pipe dream. Those few thousand fans in the upper decks is about all you could expect to see for a stunt like this. Not really enough to cause much of a dust-up.

  63. lalo on May 19th, 2010 9:47 am

    This series against the blue jays can serve for a thing, go bust to the orioles in the last place of the American league and be the worst equipment in baseball with the worst manager.

  64. currcoug on May 19th, 2010 9:51 am

    In his last three appearances, League is 0-2, with an ERA of 20.25 (6.48 ERA for all of May). Sean White has been much better in his last three appearances, with an ERA of 0.00, but carries an ERA of 9.00 for May)

    Lowe’s injury was a big hit for the bullpen. It sure would be nice to have George Sherrill in the bullpen as the situational lefty.

  65. seatown27 on May 19th, 2010 9:55 am

    Lets just face it, this team is awful from the top right down to the dreary bottom. There is nothing we can do aboit it, and even if there was Z probably wouldn’t do it anyways. Overrated!

  66. Dave on May 19th, 2010 10:02 am

    That’s why you don’t evaluate relievers using ERA.

  67. Sutiyo on May 19th, 2010 10:04 am

    Sean White has been much better in his last three appearances, with an ERA of 0.00

    I don’t know what game you were watching last night, but Sean White is still terrible. To be fair, “Terrible” could be an upgrade from “Totally Awful” at least.

    Show more faith in Tex please Wak, you know, one of the good relievers.

  68. Shanfan on May 19th, 2010 10:20 am

    Long time fans know the pattern, but here’s some salt to rub into our wounds (old school stats style!): Carlos Silva is 5-0, Adrian Beltre is hitting over .300 with 21 rbi’s, Russell Branyan has 4 home runs in 59 at-bats, and Brandon Morrow has one more win and two more strikeouts than Felix. At least Kenji isn’t thriving elsewhere, he only has 8 home runs and a .753 OPS in Japan. (And Yuni is hitting better and has half the errors of Jack Wilson.) Thanks for visiting Seattle, Cliff Lee! Stop by and say hello next year.

  69. Swungonandbelted on May 19th, 2010 10:22 am

    Rob Johnson made when he tried to take third on a single and gave up a run

    I like to think that the shot he took to the junk was the baseball god’s way of saying “dumbass”….

  70. georgmi on May 19th, 2010 10:48 am
    Rob Johnson made when he tried to take third on a single and gave up a run

    I like to think that the shot he took to the junk was the baseball god’s way of saying “dumbass”….

    I thought it was to say, “Learn to catch”.

  71. Rick Banjo on May 19th, 2010 11:00 am

    Are you blind? Release Griff now solves the big picture. This frees up a roster space and could net a trade for Hanley Ramirez as our shortstop. Chemistry is a joke..who cares if he called out a manager, the dude has skills.

    I disagree. Releasing Griff right now certainly does free up a roster space, but it only addresses one of several oft-mentioned problems with this team. The big picture right now is far bigger than Griffey, extends through at least two levels of the organization, and is what is actually causing this team to lose. I submit to you that Rob Johnson has done far more to hurt this team this year than Griffey, but I’m not suggesting that one problem has to be dealt with more than another. Both need to be dealt with, and quickly.

    As far as my eyes go, I think they are sharp enough to catch the contradiction in your Hanley Ramirez argument. The kid just signed a massive extension. You are suggesting that the Marlins will shop him around based purely on chemistry issues, but you also claim that chemistry is a joke? Why wouldn’t the Marlins approach the situation the same way and keep a blue chip player who just had a run of bad attitude? It’s not as if he has a history of being a problem.

    And where is the merit in releasing any player in the hopes of trading for one who is very clearly not on the block? I guess we could pitch Cliff Lee to them as bait, but do you seriously think they’d bite?

  72. JMHawkins on May 19th, 2010 11:06 am

    I submit to you that Rob Johnson has done far more to hurt this team this year than Griffey, but I’m not suggesting that one problem has to be dealt with more than another. Both need to be dealt with, and quickly.

    I agree, but solving the DH problem is a lot easier than solving the C problem. We have two guys in Tacoma (Carp, Nelson) who could upgrade the DH spot right now, as well as provide at least some defensive flexibility, and if we wanted to go outside the org for a bigger upgrade, it probably wouldn’t cost a top prospect.

    But Catchers are harder to come by. I don’t know where we find an upgrade there that doesn’t cost us something.

  73. Rick Banjo on May 19th, 2010 11:12 am

    But Catchers are harder to come by. I don’t know where we find an upgrade there that doesn’t cost us something.

    …and that’s where this sinking feeling in the pit of my stomach comes from.

  74. scott19 on May 19th, 2010 11:34 am

    Baltimore Orioles fans tried something like this in 2006. Seeing how things remained as they are, I can’t say it had much of an impact.

    Because this is basically the equivalent of a consumer boycott…and, unfortunately, you usually have to have lots of people on board for that kind of thing to be successful.

  75. currcoug on May 19th, 2010 12:10 pm

    “That’s why you don’t evaluate relievers using ERA.”

    By almost any measure, League has been worse than White over his last three appearances. A batting average of .385 against League in that stretch, does not give one comfort. Ditto for the 4 BB’s against 3 SO’s, 2 HR’s and WHIP of 3.38.

    Am I glad League is on the team? Of course, and he is only 27. Let’s hope they can get put League back together again.

  76. scott19 on May 19th, 2010 12:34 pm

    But Catchers are harder to come by. I don’t know where we find an upgrade there that doesn’t cost us something.

    Which is a bummer why Z couldn’t sign Pudge Rodriguez this past off-season. Besides still being able to outhit and outplay RoJo/Moore yet at age 38, you’d also get that oh-so-important “veteran presence” which right now is costing you two roster spots at the alleged “DH” position.

    Essentially, if they’d gone after Pudge, they’d have killed three birds with one stone — and may not be as bad off as they are right now.

  77. Utis on May 19th, 2010 12:48 pm

    Stop, please stop. OK, you might as well go through anger and bargaining. Many of us are already at acceptance.

    Baker’s post today goes through all the ways in which this hasn’t been a good team. He gives the starting pitching a pass but I don’t think that is correct. Lee, through no fault of his own, missed a month of action and Felix hasn’t been his brilliant self often enough. This team has needed a confidence building performance from someone. Instead we get to wonder about the latest bizarre play (catcher’s interference? missed suicide squeeze? ball lost in the dome?) that will lead to a loss.

    In some ways this is like the Red Sox fan experience until 2004 or the Cub fan experience condensed into 1/3 of a season. No matter how close they get to a victory, they’ll find some way to blow it.

  78. Gomez on May 19th, 2010 12:57 pm

    Because this is basically the equivalent of a consumer boycott…and, unfortunately, you usually have to have lots of people on board for that kind of thing to be successful.

    One other important item on this idea: It’s a counterproductive statement to purchase said team’s product (tickets) before staging a walk-out. They still got your money.

  79. payday0023 on May 19th, 2010 12:58 pm

    I vote for NOT shutting the blog down, please.

  80. scott19 on May 19th, 2010 1:02 pm

    True that, Gomez.

  81. The Nickster on May 19th, 2010 1:40 pm

    We’re locked in a burning building, and the guy in charge (Wak) has a key ring, and insists on trying the same keys that don’t fit the lock OVER and OVER and OVER… As the smoke thickens, the temperature rises, and hope wanes.

    I think this is the best sports analogy I’ve heard in a long time, in terms of being SO apt. Hilarious. Tip my hat to you, sir.

  82. AdamN on May 19th, 2010 1:57 pm

    To solve half the problems all the mariners need to do is fire Don Wakamatsu. It is simple as that. He was a good coach, but is proving this year to be no better than Mclaren. Fire Wak, it is as simple as that. I think one could argue McLaren made a better decision with Vidro placement in the line up vs. Wak with Griffey. He bats Griffey and Sweeney in the middle of the lineup with little proof of power or results. He puts the wrong relief pitchers in for the situation like white consistently and carries no lefties in the pen. The GM handles this with a lot of input from WAK. He has hitters hitting for power like Bradley and Kotchman (at one point) but does not put them in the middle of the order back to back. Then we throw in the give away outs on base stealing and bunts from people who should never do either. How many more games could have been won if we had a sensible and logical coach? Brining in white last night is a perfect example. FIRE WAK!

  83. The Nickster on May 19th, 2010 2:25 pm

    Wak is not stupid. Why does he keep running the same sad lineup out there (specifically griff)? I’ll bet I know: Armstrong (and to a lesser extent, Z). They are little schoolgirls with a crush on Griffey, or they are afraid of him. Same with Ichiro demanding to bat leadoff.

    I think Wak’s hands are tied. Plus he’s not responsible for the rash of injuries or Aardsma’s down year. He can’t hit for the team. I don’t think Wak is the problem. He’s in a no-win situation.

  84. Steve T on May 19th, 2010 3:35 pm

    By almost any measure, League has been worse than White over his last three appearances

    And that’s why you don’t evaluate relievers using their last three appearances.

  85. Adam S on May 19th, 2010 3:53 pm

    Changes. Tomorrow. Or Fury.
    I’m afraid it’s going to be fury. It’s not possible Wak will wake up today and do a 180 in his evaluation of Tui, Griffey, White, and others and there’s no indication that Wak is going to be axed (though I’d sure do it).

    Bradley and Hanahan might be ready to return in place of Tui (AAA) and Sweeney (DL) but I don’t sense any indication that this organization is going to make a change either in field leadership or guidance to said leader.

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