Game 41, Jays at Mariners

Dave · May 20, 2010 at 12:29 pm · Filed Under Mariners 

Romero vs Vargas, 12:40 pm.

Romero has a nasty change-up. This should go well.

Ichiro, RF
Figgins, 2B
Gutierrez, CF
6-4-3, DH
Lopez, 2B
Bradley, LF
Kotchman, 1B
Bard, C
Josh Wilson, SS

Comments

258 Responses to “Game 41, Jays at Mariners”

  1. luckyscrubs on May 20th, 2010 12:36 pm

    Well, we’ve got to win some time, right?

  2. mariners2009 on May 20th, 2010 12:37 pm

    I could have gone to this game, but I chose to work instead…

  3. Gump on May 20th, 2010 12:39 pm

    Hope Saunders doesn’t start riding the bench every day now that Bradley is back…..

  4. Diehard on May 20th, 2010 12:40 pm

    Lets hope for a win or 30 loses before they get 15 wins may be looming because the Juggernaut Padres are coming into town.

  5. luckyscrubs on May 20th, 2010 12:41 pm

    Hope Saunders doesn’t start riding the bench every day now that Bradley is back…..

    It looks like he will be sitting against LHP going forward. However, Wak made it sound like he would be playing LF with MB shifting to DH against RHP.

  6. greentunic on May 20th, 2010 12:42 pm

    Tim McClellan (sp) has a notoriously small zone. this could be irritating. haha

  7. Glen on May 20th, 2010 12:43 pm

    Well, it looks like it is going to be one of those games with the umps.

  8. Gump on May 20th, 2010 12:44 pm

    Way better than Junior so thank god

  9. Taylor H on May 20th, 2010 12:45 pm

    Why the f*** isn’t Griffey our hitting coach? Wouldn’t that solve a lot of problems?

  10. JMHawkins on May 20th, 2010 12:46 pm

    It’s 12:45, have we lost yet?

  11. KaminaAyato on May 20th, 2010 12:49 pm

    It’s 12:49, can your negativity go away now?

  12. Taylor H on May 20th, 2010 12:51 pm

    Negativity =/= biting realism

  13. Carson on May 20th, 2010 12:51 pm

    It’s 12:51 and there still isn’t much to be positive about.

  14. griffin on May 20th, 2010 12:53 pm

    6-4-3, I actually laughed out loud to myself when reading that, haha.

  15. Paul B on May 20th, 2010 12:54 pm

    I wish Saunders would get to play more.

    I wish I had a pony.

  16. Swungonandbelted on May 20th, 2010 12:54 pm

    and it’s 1…2…3…batters out and another donut in the first!

  17. Gomez on May 20th, 2010 12:57 pm

    Sitting Saunders vs LHPs isn’t the worst of ideas, since outside of High Desert he’s struggled against them for most of his career. And while he’s shown improvement he’s not exactly comfortable at this level yet.

    Now, batting Sweeney 4th… that’s pretty silly given there are other players who could slide into that spot and produce more.

  18. lalo on May 20th, 2010 12:59 pm

    My prediction, perfect game by Vargas 9 innings, League lose the game with a Vernon Wells HR

  19. Gump on May 20th, 2010 1:02 pm

    Sweeney walks on 4 pitches. Who does he think he’s pitching too? The rays! :)

  20. KPS on May 20th, 2010 1:03 pm

    Well, for some reason I assumed today’s game started at 1, so I’m late to the party. Looks like I didn’t miss much :)

  21. awestby51 on May 20th, 2010 1:03 pm

    It’s as if Wak makes the lineup based on positions, and then decides who’s playing where and just does with. How? How can he keep running the offensive black-hole DH combo at clean-up? This is disgusting.

  22. Gump on May 20th, 2010 1:12 pm

    Imagine our record if Vargas & Fister haven’t pitched lights out so far. At least those guys have been positives so far.

  23. srp on May 20th, 2010 1:12 pm

    trying to think positively – at least we haven’t lost any games as badly as this all year

  24. Koala on May 20th, 2010 1:12 pm

    Wow Brooks Conrad just hit a walkoff Grand Slam for the Braves to win it 10-9!

  25. MBK on May 20th, 2010 1:15 pm

    Vargas just got his first ground ball out according to gamecast? Any of the other outs in the air been solid?

  26. JMHawkins on May 20th, 2010 1:17 pm

    I could have gone to this game, but I chose to work instead…

    Better Internet access at work, I take it?

  27. springs_eternal on May 20th, 2010 1:18 pm

    At least the guys are making Romero pitch today. 35 pitches so far – 20 for balls.

  28. Nate on May 20th, 2010 1:19 pm

    Wow Brooks Conrad just hit a walkoff Grand Slam for the Braves to win it 10-9!

    wow, Cinci used 4 pitchers in the Bot9 and didn’t record an out, gave up 7 runs.

    that *is* worse than how the M’s usually lose.

  29. Liam on May 20th, 2010 1:20 pm

    Seeing the shadow of the roof closing across the field makes it look like some sort of eclipse or alien mothership hovering overhead.

  30. zmic11 on May 20th, 2010 1:20 pm

    why, oh why is our best hitter bunting with a runner in scoring position? FOR THE 2ND NIGHT IN A ROW!

  31. JMHawkins on May 20th, 2010 1:21 pm

    It’s 1:21 and I’m happy for the run.

  32. MBK on May 20th, 2010 1:22 pm

    why, oh why is our best hitter bunting with a runner in scoring position?

    Better than 1st and 3rd one out. Figgi might have hit into 6-4-3. :)

  33. Gump on May 20th, 2010 1:22 pm

    WHY WHY WHY WHY is Ichiro bunting? It worked out with Figgins bunt to score this time but that seemed like a rally killer….

  34. mlathrop3 on May 20th, 2010 1:22 pm

    Enjoy your run, Vargas. Use it wisely.

  35. springs_eternal on May 20th, 2010 1:22 pm

    Wow… that IS small ball.

  36. lucky on May 20th, 2010 1:22 pm

    Wicked bunt attack! Score one for the M’s.

  37. payday0023 on May 20th, 2010 1:22 pm

    Could we be playing any smaller ball?

  38. Diehard on May 20th, 2010 1:22 pm

    Well at least they got one run…

  39. Diehard on May 20th, 2010 1:23 pm

    They just need to do that three or four more times and they may have enough for a safe lead!

  40. springs_eternal on May 20th, 2010 1:23 pm

    Mariners = Rally killer. I’d say one run by the 3rd inning is cause for happiness.

  41. luckyscrubs on May 20th, 2010 1:23 pm

    It’s nice to see Figgins contributing. Woooo 1-0 lead!

  42. zmic11 on May 20th, 2010 1:24 pm

    i think the time is posted with the entry automatically

  43. lalo on May 20th, 2010 1:24 pm

    The little ball sucks, but is the only way to score for the M´s

  44. KaminaAyato on May 20th, 2010 1:24 pm

    That’s about the small ball you get in Japanese HS baseball.

    It’s 1:24 and given our offense, I’m happy to see that we’re doing this more often.

  45. Henry Cotto Salami on May 20th, 2010 1:25 pm

    way to bunt your selves out of a rally, M’s.

  46. MBK on May 20th, 2010 1:26 pm

    It’s 1:26 and I’m getting Mariners fix.

  47. Taylor H on May 20th, 2010 1:26 pm

    I hope no one here is superstitious….

  48. Gump on May 20th, 2010 1:26 pm

    Is typing the time a common thing during the thread? It’s been a while since i’ve been on here. lol

  49. mrt1212 on May 20th, 2010 1:27 pm

    It’s as if Wak makes the lineup based on positions, and then decides who’s playing where and just does with. How? How can he keep running the offensive black-hole DH combo at clean-up? This is disgusting.

    This and always batting the R vs. LHP, L vs. RHP regardless of actually performance. Seriously, it’s like he played a game of mario baseball on gameboy and since the DH always bats 5th in the game, he makes the DH bat in the Mariners lineup.

  50. Taylor H on May 20th, 2010 1:27 pm

    Is typing the time a common thing during the thread? It’s been a while since i’ve been on here. lol

    Nope. No worries.

  51. rwe on May 20th, 2010 1:30 pm

    Two on, no outs, bottom of the third 0-0 game. And I’m wondering – how will they screw this up? Sigh.

  52. lucky on May 20th, 2010 1:31 pm

    Thank you Jason Vargas. Brightest spot of a dismal season…

  53. springs_eternal on May 20th, 2010 1:31 pm

    Ok, more walks please, Ricky. We’d prefer to not have to swing, today.

  54. Gump on May 20th, 2010 1:33 pm

    Man that shick shadle guy (however u spell it) sounds kinda creepy.

  55. zmic11 on May 20th, 2010 1:34 pm

    after watching cliff lee and seeing the way vargas and fister attack the zone, you gotta think lee’s biggest contribution to us (if this season continues the way it does) will be his influence on these two young arms.

  56. DizzleChizzle on May 20th, 2010 1:35 pm

    The bottom half of the 3rd inning pretty much signifies this 2010 Mariner offense. So are they going to try and bunt their way to the division title?

  57. springs_eternal on May 20th, 2010 1:35 pm

    Thank you, Ricky. You can pick up your set of bobble heads in the club house after the game.

  58. JMHawkins on May 20th, 2010 1:35 pm

    It’s 5:35am in Tokyo, Japanese HS baseball players are just doing their stretches.

  59. zmic11 on May 20th, 2010 1:37 pm

    although i was unhappy with Ichiro bunting, I often think the safety/suicide squeeze is under utilized. It seems to be a pretty secure way of bringing in a run from third with less than two outs, unless byrnes is up.

  60. DizzleChizzle on May 20th, 2010 1:39 pm

    Yeah but it’s the bottom of the 3rd inning. Maybe I’m wrong but I don’t think that was the idea situation to try an score one measly run.

  61. Henry Cotto Salami on May 20th, 2010 1:42 pm

    The bottom half of the 3rd inning pretty much signifies this 2010 Mariner offense. So are they going to try and bunt their way to the division title?

    I would understand it if it was Bard and Wilson coming to the plate but with Ichiro, Figgins and Guti coming up it makes no sense to give up two outs to score a run.

  62. daveblev on May 20th, 2010 1:42 pm

    M’s already lost since it’s 2-1.

  63. Henry Cotto Salami on May 20th, 2010 1:43 pm

    Damn it Bautista.

  64. lalo on May 20th, 2010 1:44 pm

    The game is over

    Or anther rally with bunts Wak?

  65. mrt1212 on May 20th, 2010 1:44 pm

    Can we get a quick stat on come from behind victories for the mariners and the league distribution of come from behind victories?

  66. zmic11 on May 20th, 2010 1:48 pm

    more good news from espn – bedard won’t be back til late june.

  67. springs_eternal on May 20th, 2010 1:52 pm

    Great at bats from Kotchman. Here’s hopin’ he has a serious up-swing for a while.

  68. mlathrop3 on May 20th, 2010 1:53 pm

    Does anyone else realize that if you bet on the Mariners on the run line (that’s plus 1.5 runs because we are underdogs) you would have won about 80% of the time this year?

  69. Henry Cotto Salami on May 20th, 2010 1:53 pm

    runner on. No outs. Time to bunt.

  70. KaminaAyato on May 20th, 2010 1:53 pm

    Probably JM, since the Kanto region is done with their spring tournament. Highly regarded HS pitcher Hifumi Shinta is probably in the bullpen as we speak.

  71. Mike Snow on May 20th, 2010 1:55 pm

    More small ball, coming up.

  72. rwe on May 20th, 2010 1:55 pm

    Don’t bunt! Please don’t bunt!

  73. lalo on May 20th, 2010 1:56 pm

    Great AB by Bard

  74. Henry Cotto Salami on May 20th, 2010 1:56 pm

    Bard has seen 14 pitches in two at-bats.

  75. Mike Snow on May 20th, 2010 1:57 pm

    Josh Wilson is just as good at small ball as he is at big ball.

  76. kenshabby on May 20th, 2010 1:57 pm

    We need some kind of handicap. When the M’s bat they should to put up a Little League-type HR fence at around 250 feet from home plate.

  77. lalo on May 20th, 2010 1:57 pm

    And the bunt come here

  78. imiz11 on May 20th, 2010 1:57 pm

    OMFG U GOTTA BE KIDDIN ME JOSH…………

  79. mlathrop3 on May 20th, 2010 1:57 pm

    what? BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

    What is this – coed softball? Foul out on a third strike?

  80. JerBear on May 20th, 2010 1:58 pm

    Eff this bunting crap… what the hell?

  81. Ms Fan Lost in Toronto on May 20th, 2010 1:58 pm

    damn… let’s hope this bunting barrage is not the new way to lose

  82. lucky on May 20th, 2010 1:58 pm

    That was a barfalicious two-stike bunt there, seriously what was that?

  83. Idaho M on May 20th, 2010 1:58 pm

    Even Rick Rizz is getting frustrated with Wak !

  84. Catherwood on May 20th, 2010 1:58 pm

    Agree. Guy’s 1 for 1 and you have him bunting with two strikes on him? Wak, WTF?

  85. Koala on May 20th, 2010 1:59 pm

    why the f did he leave the bunt on with 2 strikes?

  86. mrt1212 on May 20th, 2010 2:00 pm

    Maybe there is something to this “Ichiro forces a fielder’s choice all the time” trope. Still though, I don’t want him batting 3rd because of the amount of groundballs he hits.

  87. erikec on May 20th, 2010 2:00 pm

    Should Tui be moved to catcher? Should Figgins be moved to SS? This would allow often injured Jack Wilson to be a utility player and not relied upon as much. This would open up 1st, 2nd and 3rd base to bring in a power bat or bats. Lopez can play any of these positions so whichever position they can’t fill, Lopez can play. Not that he needs to be on this team anyway.

  88. lalo on May 20th, 2010 2:00 pm

    WTF Wak??? Why bunt with 2 strikes.

    This is basic. Dont bunt with 2 strikes

  89. TripleAvery on May 20th, 2010 2:01 pm

    Even (the ever optimistic) Rizzs is getting in on the negativity. Mentioning Wilson’s sharp single the previous AB and more or less questioning Wak. I think that’s an indication that people are losing faith.

  90. Diehard on May 20th, 2010 2:01 pm

    Wow I don’t know why I tourture myself by watching the offense. Seriously how do you go from having two on, nobody out to not scoring. DON’T BUNT ON TWO STRIKES PAPERBOY!!! DAMN!!!

  91. Carson on May 20th, 2010 2:02 pm

    Sigh. How many ways can this team find to lose? Seriously.

  92. luckyscrubs on May 20th, 2010 2:02 pm

    Wow, John Wilson really needs to work on his bunting. And Wak really needs to learn basic baseball strategy. Two thumbs down.

  93. Xteve X on May 20th, 2010 2:02 pm

    What the hell kind of belief system involves bunting with two strikes?

  94. Henry Cotto Salami on May 20th, 2010 2:04 pm

    Dont bunt with 2 strikes

    unless it’s a pitcher hitting in the NL and he will probably strike out anyway or hit into DP. Josh Wilson is a better hitter (slightly) than most NL pitchers.

  95. greentunic on May 20th, 2010 2:06 pm

    I’m never as excited with 2 on no outs as i used to be. I feel like when that happens, we have a 20% chance of scoring, when in baseball its probably closer to 60%…

  96. Koala on May 20th, 2010 2:08 pm

    Does anyone else hate the way that announcer pronounces Guitierrez?

  97. Marinersdude83 on May 20th, 2010 2:10 pm

    Bunt bunt bunt!!! Bunting looks really cool maybe we can get the fireworks an fries going after a great bunt!!! Wak is starting a new trend!

  98. AssumedName on May 20th, 2010 2:12 pm

    Does anyone else hate the way that announcer pronounces Guitierrez?

    Does anyone not hate it?

  99. mrt1212 on May 20th, 2010 2:15 pm

    I have a new idea for fans at Safeco; Bat DH night where one fan will have a chance to bat DH every game, for the entire game. They can wear an Edgar Martinez Jersey for that SODOMOJO!

  100. eponymous coward on May 20th, 2010 2:17 pm

    Should Tui be moved to catcher?

    Yes, it’s an awesome idea to move a bad defensive player to a position that they have no experience at, and requires them to call the game, too.

    While we’re at it, let’s have Griffey close games and put Sweeney in CF.

  101. Wood Dog on May 20th, 2010 2:18 pm

    A low scoring 1-run loss? I feel like I’ve seen this one before. Like 28 times.

  102. Carson on May 20th, 2010 2:20 pm

    Hilarious. Wak IBB’s a guy in a similar situation that he didn’t have the foresight to see even if Wilson got that bunt down.

    I’m sorry, but I’m officially on the Wak is a bad manager bandwagon.

  103. mlathrop3 on May 20th, 2010 2:21 pm

    Way to spoil that one run we gave you Vargas! What are you thinking?

    mrt1212 – I really like that fan DH idea. It might actually help as the fan is likely to strike out vs GIDP!

  104. Koala on May 20th, 2010 2:24 pm

    So instead of losing 2-1 we’ll lose 3-1, doesn’t really matter

  105. DizzleChizzle on May 20th, 2010 2:25 pm

    Going up against a team that leads the AL in HRs and you sacrifice bunt twice in an inning with the objective of scoring ONE run?

    Then you allow Wilson to bunt with two strikes?

    I just don’t see how Wak is not on the hot seat after this game.

  106. JMHawkins on May 20th, 2010 2:26 pm

    I’m bunting sick of the bunted up way the M’s are bunting playing right now. They’re playing like a bunch of buntwits.

  107. kenshabby on May 20th, 2010 2:29 pm

    Does anyone else hate the way that announcer pronounces Guitierrez?

    Not as much as I hated the way they pronounced Kenji Joe-jim-uh.

  108. Xteve X on May 20th, 2010 2:30 pm

    “I just don’t see how Wak is not on the hot seat after this game.”

    I’ve been inclined to cut some slack so far, but the consistent terrible lineups, weird basepath errors, and just plain stupid in-game decision making is getting to be a bit much.

    But by firing Wak, what gets accomplished? The next guy that comes in has the same crap roster to work with and in my conspiracy theory, the same edicts to play certain guys.

  109. Liam on May 20th, 2010 2:30 pm

    As part of the make-a-wish foundation, little Ricky Romero got his chance to be Cy Young for a day.

  110. mlathrop3 on May 20th, 2010 2:30 pm

    JMHawkins if you don’t like how the M’s are bunting you can get the bunt out of here and go bunt yourself.

  111. 92-93 on May 20th, 2010 2:32 pm

    The scary thing for Ms fans about today should be that Ricky Romero had no changeup and was squeezed by McLelland all afternoon, and the Mariners offense is STILL useless.

  112. Henry Cotto Salami on May 20th, 2010 2:33 pm

    Nice game by Josh Bard. Hopefully our starting catcher

  113. lalo on May 20th, 2010 2:33 pm

    Josh Bard its better clean up hitter than Sweeney

  114. my sugarsoul on May 20th, 2010 2:34 pm

    Josh Bard its better clean up hitter than Sweeney

    Say that today, sombrero tomorrow :(

  115. Gump on May 20th, 2010 2:35 pm

    Should we bunt?

  116. Swungonandbelted on May 20th, 2010 2:44 pm

    6 outs left to score at least two runs….and holding Toronto scoreless….

  117. JMHawkins on May 20th, 2010 2:44 pm

    mlathrop3, that seems to be what the M’s want me to do, with the product they’re putting on the field and in the dugout.

  118. Paul L on May 20th, 2010 2:47 pm

    6 outs left to score at least two runs….and holding Toronto scoreless….

    That’s going to be tough considering we need four outs for bunts.

  119. imiz11 on May 20th, 2010 2:48 pm

    shouldnt we sign delgado?? or is it too late.. maybe even jermaine dye… or burrell….. ok not burrell

  120. Paul B on May 20th, 2010 2:51 pm

    Yes, let’s sign up some more over the hill DH only types. Cause that has worked so well so far.

  121. lalo on May 20th, 2010 2:52 pm

    Probably Delgado it is a good option for M´s, cheap and good

  122. luckyscrubs on May 20th, 2010 2:53 pm

    shouldnt we sign delgado?? or is it too late.. maybe even jermaine dye… or burrell….. ok not burrell

    It’s too late, IMO. I’d rather see Everidge or Nelson get an opportunity at this point.

  123. Paul L on May 20th, 2010 2:54 pm

    Well you don’t see THAT every day.

  124. Paul L on May 20th, 2010 2:55 pm

    AW YEA.

    About time.

  125. Koala on May 20th, 2010 2:56 pm

    Ichiro was safe

  126. Nate on May 20th, 2010 2:56 pm

    will they show a replay? was ichiro! out at second? (or were we robbed of the chance to sacrifice bunt him to 3rd!)

  127. jordan on May 20th, 2010 2:56 pm

    Haha, he had to do it sometime.

  128. jordan on May 20th, 2010 2:57 pm

    And, Ich was indeed out.

  129. JMHawkins on May 20th, 2010 2:57 pm

    So was it convincing?

  130. Paul L on May 20th, 2010 2:57 pm

    Kind sir, I’d appreciate it if you threw me out.
    Really.
    I must insist you give me the hook.
    Come on, don’t be a motherfucker about it.
    Thank you.

  131. overbored on May 20th, 2010 2:57 pm

    I’m no expert at lip reading, but I can tell he said a few of the “magic words”. Think this will have any impact?

  132. Swungonandbelted on May 20th, 2010 2:57 pm

    Wak got tossed? WTF… maybe belief systems are slowly changing….

  133. pgreyy on May 20th, 2010 2:57 pm

    Well, there you go… Everyone who have been saying that if only Wak would get mad and get himself tossed, then the M’s would start playing to win.

    Your small sample size experiment begins here.

  134. justjake on May 20th, 2010 2:58 pm

    Not a very impressive ejection. Wak must have said “Will you please eject me”.

  135. Paul L on May 20th, 2010 2:58 pm

    So was it convincing?

    No, but whatever. And he was out on top of it.

    Kinda stupid steal attempt, but when you’re getting no offense I can see where he was coming from.

  136. Diehard on May 20th, 2010 2:59 pm

    Josh Bard its better clean up hitter than Sweeney

    It’s nice having a catcher that can hit above .250! Sure not used to that after over a year of Robo Rob!

  137. Paul L on May 20th, 2010 2:59 pm

    Think this will have any impact?

    Does it ever? It’s not like it’s going to motivate Jr to start hitting. They probably had to wake him up to tell him what happened.

  138. pgreyy on May 20th, 2010 2:59 pm

    Oh, and the replay was pretty clear…Ichiro was out.

    I think he felt himself slide into the fielder’s foot before the tag…but not the bag.

  139. jordan on May 20th, 2010 3:00 pm

    Yeah, he had an extremely long leash, and it became obvious wak wasn’t leaving until he was tossed. Then once he said it was “F’ing BS” he was gone.

  140. Nate on May 20th, 2010 3:02 pm

    here we go, bottom 9.

    if we can get through “DNH” and Lopez, we could get to the heart of our batting order here.

    WIN ONE FOR WAK!!!

  141. Nate on May 20th, 2010 3:03 pm

    yeah Sweenz!

  142. jordan on May 20th, 2010 3:04 pm

    Well, Sweeney musta got fired up!

  143. Nate on May 20th, 2010 3:05 pm

    yeah Lopie!!

  144. lalo on May 20th, 2010 3:05 pm

    Bunt??

  145. jordan on May 20th, 2010 3:05 pm

    Here we go…

  146. Nate on May 20th, 2010 3:05 pm

    I mean, what are the odds we don’t score with 2 on, and nobody out??? (ok, don’t answer that)

  147. ndrfx on May 20th, 2010 3:05 pm

    Oh snap! There’s the pinch runner, finally.

  148. greentunic on May 20th, 2010 3:05 pm

    no, not bradley, swing away

  149. Koala on May 20th, 2010 3:07 pm

    A nice upside to Wak getting tossed is now he can’t PH Griffey in some stupid situation.

  150. DizzleChizzle on May 20th, 2010 3:07 pm

    Time for the sacrifice GIDP to get the man to 3b.

  151. my sugarsoul on May 20th, 2010 3:07 pm

    So maybe this isn’t public knowledge but who’s managing right now?

  152. Nate on May 20th, 2010 3:07 pm

    yeah Bradley!!!

  153. JMHawkins on May 20th, 2010 3:08 pm

    This ought to be interesting

  154. jordan on May 20th, 2010 3:08 pm

    Ohhh yeahhh

  155. ndrfx on May 20th, 2010 3:08 pm

    Nice AB Milton!!

  156. mlathrop3 on May 20th, 2010 3:08 pm

    I feel a Ken Griffey Jr. pinch hit appearance let down coming on.

  157. lalo on May 20th, 2010 3:08 pm

    Please HR Kotch!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  158. Paul L on May 20th, 2010 3:09 pm

    This either results in a golf-clap win, or a really, really upsetting loss.

  159. imiz11 on May 20th, 2010 3:09 pm

    4-6-3 comin for kotch

  160. BigB on May 20th, 2010 3:09 pm

    I’m surprised Milton didn’t bunt.

  161. ndrfx on May 20th, 2010 3:10 pm

    Damn!

  162. Nate on May 20th, 2010 3:10 pm

    This either results in a golf-clap win, or a really, really upsetting loss.

    I’m totally preparing myself to see another, innovative way to lose. something like a BB to force in a run, then 3 straight strikeouts.

  163. my sugarsoul on May 20th, 2010 3:11 pm

    C’mon, be more positive. This either results in an astounding victory, or a golf-clap loss.

  164. Paul L on May 20th, 2010 3:11 pm

    Fuck it.

    Squeeze.

  165. mrt1212 on May 20th, 2010 3:11 pm

    The Mariners won’t win this game, Toronto will lose it.

  166. lalo on May 20th, 2010 3:11 pm

    Great AB for Kotch, come on Bard, you are clean up hitter

  167. Paul L on May 20th, 2010 3:11 pm

    Jr’s on deck.

    SQUEEZE NOW!

  168. Swungonandbelted on May 20th, 2010 3:11 pm

    you’ve got to be %&#()%&#)(%&#() kidding me…. Jr? Really?

  169. Gump on May 20th, 2010 3:11 pm

    NOT JUNIOR NOT JUNIOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  170. jordan on May 20th, 2010 3:11 pm

    Wow, what a rip at that ball… ill take the bases loaded walk though..

  171. BigB on May 20th, 2010 3:12 pm

    Where’s Byrnes to pinch hit when we need him?

    Too soon?

  172. lucky on May 20th, 2010 3:12 pm

    Of course, Jr. on deck…c’mon Bard, you’re our only hope!

  173. mlathrop3 on May 20th, 2010 3:12 pm

    Bard has the second best avg. on the team… A hit here probably makes either Moore or RoJo go away….

    Come on BARD!

  174. Milendriel on May 20th, 2010 3:12 pm

    I’m curious to see how the M’s manage to screw this up.

  175. imiz11 on May 20th, 2010 3:12 pm

    was that the first bases loaded walk this yr?

  176. my sugarsoul on May 20th, 2010 3:13 pm

    No, Bradley walked with sacks full earlier in the year.

  177. imiz11 on May 20th, 2010 3:13 pm

    I FIGURED IT OUT!!! NO WAK=NO LOSE!!

  178. mlathrop3 on May 20th, 2010 3:14 pm

    Griffey??? NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!

  179. Swungonandbelted on May 20th, 2010 3:14 pm

    ok Jr, get your hit, win the game, and retire.

  180. ndrfx on May 20th, 2010 3:14 pm

    LOL Ken Griffey Jr.

  181. G-Man on May 20th, 2010 3:14 pm

    I’m curious to see how the M’s manage to screw this up.

    Answer: having Jr. pinch hit when a faster guy couldn’t get doubled up as easily.

  182. lalo on May 20th, 2010 3:14 pm

    Why Griffeyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  183. ndrfx on May 20th, 2010 3:15 pm

    JUNIOR!!!!

  184. Transient Gadfly on May 20th, 2010 3:15 pm

    Awesome. Now retire.

  185. Paul L on May 20th, 2010 3:15 pm

    HUGS FOR EVERYONE!!!!!

  186. Milendriel on May 20th, 2010 3:15 pm

    Wow.

  187. jordan on May 20th, 2010 3:15 pm

    WOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOW… GRIFFEY IS A MARINER FOR 10 MORE YEARS!

  188. lucky on May 20th, 2010 3:15 pm

    Whaddya know, yay Junior!

  189. my sugarsoul on May 20th, 2010 3:15 pm

    HOLY WHAT?

  190. mlathrop3 on May 20th, 2010 3:15 pm

    Pile on him!!!! Pile on his knee!!!! ON THE KNEE!!

  191. Nate on May 20th, 2010 3:16 pm

    hahaha.
    now comes the venom about how that will keep him on the roster until this time next year.

    hey, we won.

  192. MrZDevotee on May 20th, 2010 3:16 pm

    Nice inning. I will actually applaud this team for the first time in a LONG time.

    Even if it was a shaky pitcher that caused it.

    Nice inning boys.

  193. lalo on May 20th, 2010 3:16 pm

    Grrrrrrrriiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiifffffffffffffffffeyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Yeah!!

  194. springs_eternal on May 20th, 2010 3:16 pm

    Wow. It’s a bummer that this win is so bittersweet – Please Juniot… Take this walk-off, and walk-away.

  195. DizzleChizzle on May 20th, 2010 3:16 pm

    Can we still pinch run for Griffey while he’s at the plate?

  196. G-Man on May 20th, 2010 3:17 pm

    ok Jr, get your hit, win the game, and retire.

    I don’t believe what I just saw!

    Let’s hope he retires now.

    OTOH, if this makes a bunch of people say “See, he still has it” then we’re doonmed.

  197. Paul L on May 20th, 2010 3:17 pm

    Griffey looked relieved.

  198. Diehard on May 20th, 2010 3:17 pm

    YES!!!! Finally they win one in the final AB!
    Sweeney and Griffey with hits in the same inning!! Whoa!

  199. pgreyy on May 20th, 2010 3:17 pm

    …and everything we think we know about baseball is wrong.

    Sigh.

    But…as a pure fan…YAY M’s!!!

  200. mrt1212 on May 20th, 2010 3:17 pm

    Shit. This will cause more losses long term.

    And like I said, we didn’t win this, Toronto lost it.

  201. lalo on May 20th, 2010 3:17 pm

    You are awasome Griffey!!!!!!!!!!

    In this game sure

  202. Hopmacker on May 20th, 2010 3:18 pm

    Does this mean that you cannot attribute the loss to Junior?

  203. MrZDevotee on May 20th, 2010 3:18 pm

    We can turn this season around– it’s NOT TOO LATE!!!

    All we need is Wak to get tossed in the 1st inning of every remaining game.

    And we MIGHT get back into things.

  204. Paul L on May 20th, 2010 3:18 pm

    I really like listening to Bard. He sounds like he gets it.

  205. Dave Spiwak on May 20th, 2010 3:18 pm

    Noooooooooo………..

  206. BigB on May 20th, 2010 3:18 pm

    Griffey went all Johnny Drama on the Blue Jays… VICTORY!

  207. Idaho M on May 20th, 2010 3:18 pm

    Great for the Mariners and great for Griffey !

  208. TomTuttle on May 20th, 2010 3:18 pm

    EARTH TO JUNIOR:

    THAT is the way to go out if you don’t have anything left.

    Realize that.

  209. patl on May 20th, 2010 3:19 pm

    Hi Hopmacker :-)

  210. MrZDevotee on May 20th, 2010 3:19 pm

    Hopmacker-
    No, it means we’re gonna start seeing an “outfield shift” when Junior’s up now, all 3 outfielders in right field.

  211. Kazinski on May 20th, 2010 3:19 pm

    I was going to say “I wonder how long until the first person posts, that it would have been better to lose the game, than to have Griffey win it.”

    I wasn’t fast enough.

  212. Hopmacker on May 20th, 2010 3:20 pm

    Pat!

  213. Dave Spiwak on May 20th, 2010 3:20 pm

    Looks like we may have found a catcher. Can the Bard actually catch? Else, we have to endure the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune!

  214. luckyscrubs on May 20th, 2010 3:20 pm

    !!!!!!!!!!!! AWESOME !!!!!!!!!!!

    MVP:
    1) Bard?
    2) Griffey?
    3) Wak (post-ejection)?

  215. Wood Dog on May 20th, 2010 3:21 pm

    JUST how the boys drew it up before the season started. Junior has the magic back.

  216. Swungonandbelted on May 20th, 2010 3:22 pm

    MVP:
    1) Bard?
    2) Griffey?
    3) Wak (post-ejection)?

    Griffey – But only if he announces his retirement before first pitch of the San Diego game tomorrow night.

  217. MrZDevotee on May 20th, 2010 3:22 pm

    Kaz-
    You gotta be faster.

    “Joy” is a blah and tasteless dish– nobody eats that crap around here.

  218. Paul L on May 20th, 2010 3:22 pm

    Just like the ’95 Mariners.

    There was no quit in that ballclub. Refuse to Lose.

    When’s the next Griffey bobblehead night?

  219. springs_eternal on May 20th, 2010 3:23 pm

    Always better to win the game. We’ve already seen that clear evidence and results (or lack thereof) have nothing to do with deciding who’s on the roster – so let’s just be thankful for the win.

  220. lalo on May 20th, 2010 3:24 pm

    Josh Bard play very well today, I wait Bard be the starting catcher all the season,

  221. IwearMsHats on May 20th, 2010 3:25 pm

    Dave forgot to mention the other aspect of decisions. “Bad Decision, good results”. And there it was.

  222. jorax on May 20th, 2010 3:27 pm

    Anyone notice Bill Krueger’s comment about the walk off? “A swing I’ve seen way, way too many times” – couldn’t help but laugh. I don’t think that is what he meant to say.

  223. rainiersfan on May 20th, 2010 3:28 pm

    This is your chance to walk away on top. Retire already.

  224. lalo on May 20th, 2010 3:29 pm

    Now is the moment for Ken Griffey Jr, the best player in M´s franchise retire in the top

  225. beadyeyes123 on May 20th, 2010 3:31 pm

    Once Adam Moore comes back they’d better keep him and dump Johnson. They’d better….Bard is a keeper for this year at least.

    I am very happy we won a tough game.

  226. beadyeyes123 on May 20th, 2010 3:33 pm

    Oh and props to Junior. I’ve been down on him but I still believe he needs to retire.

    Nice to see one of my all time faves get the big hit today but I hope this doesn’t fool anybody into thinking he’s gonna start to hit like crazy. I just don’t see it happening.

  227. daveblev on May 20th, 2010 3:36 pm

    I’m not going to give Jr any props…the ball he hit should have been caught. So all those forgiving him and praising him obviously don’t know a damn thing about baseball.

  228. CC03 on May 20th, 2010 3:39 pm

    Jr comes through, gotta love it

  229. Swungonandbelted on May 20th, 2010 3:39 pm

    what praise? Other than “Hey, good job, you won the game now man up and retire” /ass-slap….

  230. my sugarsoul on May 20th, 2010 3:39 pm

    In the majors, it’s about results, not processes. That’s the baseball we’re talking about.

  231. mutpup on May 20th, 2010 3:41 pm

    don’t know how you could say that ball was catchable

  232. chimera on May 20th, 2010 3:44 pm

    Oh knock it off.

    Exactly how many losses can be attributed to a specific player? How about a ranking?

    If that can’t be achieved, then there are larger problems than any single person.

    Also, isn’t Junior batting .400 (2 for 5) in pinch hit situations? (Correct me if I’m wrong.)

    I think most assumed, as has been mentioned many times before, that Jr. was not supposed to be a regular DH. More of #25 player — bench and occasional pinch hitter.

    Quit ragging on him and think about some of the other more important problems.

    On the flip-side, Bard did great today. Let’s hope for the best there.

    One last comment in regards to Junior, we all know he is a shell of his former self, but please quit acting like a bunch of anonymous school yard bullies singling him out.

    Think intelligently about what is wrong with this team (and yes, I admit Junior is one piece of the problematic puzzle, however he is not the entire puzzle). Then complain about that.

    My 2 cents worth.

  233. bratman on May 20th, 2010 3:44 pm

    How can you not love the signature JUNIOR smile!!!! You Gotta Love These Guy(s)

  234. Westside guy on May 20th, 2010 3:48 pm

    A walk-off hit is a great note on which to retire, Junior. It’s not like you’re capable of hitting home runs any more, so this is about the best you can hope for… hint hint

  235. Hammy57 on May 20th, 2010 3:50 pm

    Seriously daveblev? How could that ball have been caught? You are an absolute disgrace. Go away.

  236. Krugman on May 20th, 2010 3:51 pm

    Suggested new slogan for the M’s and its ninth-inning pinch-hitting hero:

    REFUSE TO SNOOZE

  237. jld on May 20th, 2010 3:53 pm

    As the ball was going into the outfield I was jumping up and down shouting “Now you can retire!”

  238. chimera on May 20th, 2010 3:53 pm

    I couldn’t edit my post before the next reply occurred, but what I meant to state in one phrase above was “– occasional DH and occasional pinch hitter”.

    In any case, the other pitcher was pitching poorly, and Ken got the game winning hit — great for him — great for the Mariners (a win is a win). It still doesn’t solve the problems however.

  239. Krugman on May 20th, 2010 3:57 pm

    BTW, anyone catch Steve Phillips this morning on the Mitch in the Morning show?

    He had some interesting observations on the “should the M’s force Griffey to retire” dilemma.

    His take? Given that the M’s are so far back in the race at this point, there really isn’t any urgency to force Griffey out.

    Plus, Phillips added how the M’s FO handles the Griffey situation could have future implications on landing big name players. Phillips suggests that if the Mariners force Griffey out, instead of just letting him play out the year, that could leave bad impressions on big name players in the league. In turn, that could mean the M’s might have a tough time landing stars to come here.

    Phillips’take: Unless the M’s are actually in a pennant race — which they aren’t at this point — there’s no reason to force the issue.

  240. jzalman on May 20th, 2010 3:59 pm

    Great, we know what a terrible GM would do, let’s do the opposite!

  241. beadyeyes123 on May 20th, 2010 4:01 pm

    One last comment in regards to Junior, we all know he is a shell of his former self, but please quit acting like a bunch of anonymous school yard bullies singling him out.

    Oh please, nobody is being a bully. What you are implying is we are all hurting him somehow (what bullies do is HURT people).

  242. beadyeyes123 on May 20th, 2010 4:05 pm

    In any case, the other pitcher was pitching poorly, and Ken got the game winning hit — great for him — great for the Mariners (a win is a win). It still doesn’t solve the problems however.

    Maybe, but it would be nice to see if Bard works out for this season, they can dump Johnson and keep Moore when he gets back. Since Moore was starting to play better before tweaking his knee, he is the superior platoon partner for Bard going forward.

    As for our other problems, seems the right bullpen choices were made today (thank goodness!) and here’s to hoping that the next time Wak puts Texeira in there going forward, he lets him work out of the jams.

  243. Carson on May 20th, 2010 4:06 pm

    Because Steve Phillips has such an awesome track record at running baseball teams.

  244. Henry Cotto Salami on May 20th, 2010 4:08 pm

    Sweeney and Lopez each have a hit and a walk… A Mariners catcher has a multi-hit game and holds on to the baseball… Don Wakamatsu gets ejected… Griffey hits a walk off base hit and M’s win… M’s win? Have we slipped into Bizarro world? Should I buy a lottery ticket?

  245. Henry Cotto Salami on May 20th, 2010 4:09 pm

    REFUSE TO SNOOZE

    I want to see this on a t-shirt within a week.

  246. Krugman on May 20th, 2010 4:09 pm

    Track record or not, I think the bigger point was the only difference it can make at this point is a negative one.

    Anyone here really believe the Ms can win this division?

    Really?

  247. Wazzag on May 20th, 2010 4:10 pm

    Phillips’take: Unless the M’s are actually in a pennant race — which they aren’t at this point — there’s no reason to force the issue.

    I’m not sure this makes any sense. If we were in the pennant race, I think you would hear significantly less calls for Griffey to go away.

  248. Leroy Stanton on May 20th, 2010 4:11 pm

    Happy Griffey Day!

  249. chimera on May 20th, 2010 4:14 pm

    beadyeyes123: No, that is NOT what I’m implying. What I’m implying is, I assume this is supposed to be a stats site.

    Exactly what is the measure of each or any particular player for losing a game, and rank them — what single player is most responsible for losses, and give evidence of each.

    I seriously doubt Junior would be at the top of the list. We know he is done. I don’t care about what a millionaire thinks who gets to play a game for a living.

    What I take offense to, is the constant bashing (like what just occurred before he hit the game winning run as a pinch hitter) and then the comments afterwards … when I believe he’s hitting .400 as a pinch hitter.

    It seems ignorant of the visitors of this blog, especially when we’re only talking about Player #25 … who is not near the top of the payroll list.

  250. beadyeyes123 on May 20th, 2010 4:23 pm

    Chimera: Fair enough, thanks for clarifying that point.

  251. beadyeyes123 on May 20th, 2010 4:24 pm

    I’m not sure this makes any sense. If we were in the pennant race, I think you would hear significantly less calls for Griffey to go away.

    If it came from Steve Phillips, consider the source :)

  252. Oolon on May 20th, 2010 4:37 pm

    Great fun to be away from work and at the ballpark today.

    Some head scratching love of the bunt early in the game by the Ms.

    More head scratching when Ichiro headed to second when we’re two runs down in the eighth.

    And great to see Griffey get the big walk off hit in the end.

    This team definitely needed a win…

  253. mrt1212 on May 20th, 2010 4:40 pm

    Krugman, while I can see that take, I have to question that mode of thought as a base mode of thought.

  254. Oolon on May 20th, 2010 4:56 pm

    Exactly what is the measure of each or any particular player for losing a game, and rank them — what single player is most responsible for losses, and give evidence of each.

    Here’s a start – I went to the fangraphs site here and grabbed the WAR for the hitters. Then I multiplied by 4 to get an approximate full season WAR. Here are the results:

    Gutierrez 6.8
    Ichiro 5.2
    Josh Wilson 1.6
    Lopez 1.2
    Johnson 0.8
    Saunders 0.8
    Langerhans 0.4
    Sweeney 0.0
    Bradley 0.0
    Bard -0.4
    Moore -0.8
    Jack Wilson -0.8
    Kotchman -0.8
    Figgins -1.2
    Tuiasosopo -1.6
    Byrnes -1.6
    Griffey -3.2

    Griffey is (of course) at the bottom, but compared to the production we were expecting from the various players I think Figgins is probably the most negative producer. Do we have a list of our pre-season WAR expectations to compare this to?

  255. Krugman on May 20th, 2010 5:25 pm

    I’m not sure this makes any sense. If we were in the pennant race, I think you would hear significantly less calls for Griffey to go away.

    Go figure?

    So, we’re in a pennant race — and need one more bat to get us over the top. Say under that hypothetical Griffey is batting the same he is right now — under 200 and no power. You don’t think it would be more meaningful to dump Griffey to open a roster spot under that scenario? It would actually mean something then.

    But, in the reality we’re in, if we dump him, what does it get us? Another “bat” from Tacoma? Jermaine Dye? Luke Scott? (Or take your pick and fill in any name here). Regardless, this team still has too many issues to compete this year, IMO.

    Don’t get me wrong. I hardly think Phillips is any sort of genius. But I do think he probably knows a more about MLB management dealings than anyone on this board. And whether he’s right or wrong, his perspective on the Griffey situation is one that I haven’t heard anyone (media, etc.) in Seattle raise in the “what to do with Junior” cacophony these past few weeks.

    IMO, the time to dump Griffey would have been two weeks ago, when the M’s appeared to still have a chance. It makes no difference whether he stays or goes now (playing-wise; of course, in terms of team reputation with players, it does — according to Phillips). We’re done this year.

  256. chimera on May 20th, 2010 5:31 pm

    Oolon: In that example, the WAR stat is being used out of context. For one thing, I mentioned “each or any particular player for losing a game”. Where are the pitchers? The bullpen has been stellar, hasn’t it? How about the management? For another, you are misusing WAR in this sense. What about qualified vs. not?

  257. The Nickster on May 20th, 2010 5:35 pm

    I was at work, debating whether to ignore the game and watch the replay later, or follow the game on GameCast. So happy I chose GameCast (figured if it was another loss, save me the pain of watching another defeat. It’s killing me).

    So I sat there, trying to work, constantly flipping back to GameCast in the ninth inning. Leadoff hit! Switch. Come back. Two guys on, nobody out! Then bases loaded, nobody out. Switch, check back… a run in! Then… tied up!!!! Come on, all we need is a basehit, we have a terrible extra innings record, we have to win this here….

    Wait a minute, are you kidding me? The Mighty Griffey is coming to bat, attempting to bring joy to Mudville?? Could it really happen, or is he going to break our hearts again with a weak pop up?? I can’t watch… come on Kenny, one more bit of magic for old time’s sake….

    Oops, boss is coming, switch back to work screen, ok, she’s gone, back to GameCast…

    I DON’T BELIEVE IT!!! THE KID COMES THROUGH!!

    Happy happy joy joy. I’m just gonna enjoy this one tonight and worry about the repercussions tomorrow. :-)

    (BTW, what was the attendance? On a huge losing streak and a Thursday day game, I can’t imagine it was much….)

  258. Krugman on May 20th, 2010 5:57 pm

    Attendance – 20,452

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