Game 50, Twins at Mariners

Dave · May 31, 2010 at 4:47 pm · Filed Under Mariners 

Liriano vs Fister, 7:10 pm.

The Mariners got a bit of a break when they rolled into Anaheim and got to face both Scott Kazmir and Joe Saunders, the two worst starters on the Angels roster. They couldn’t take advantage, however, and now have to try to get back on the winning path against a much better southpaw. Among starters with at least 50 innings so far this year, Liriano is fourth in the AL in xFIP, behind only Ricky Romero, James Shields, and Jon Lester. He may not be all the way back to his 2006 form, but this version is plenty good enough, and the M’s will be lucky to put a couple of runs on the board against him.

So, Doug Fister is going to have to be brilliant again, but this time he does so against one of the league’s better line-ups. Even without Orlando Hudson in the line-up, Fister’s still going to have to figure out how to keep Span, Mauer, Morneau, and Thome off the bases, no easy feat for a right-hander who relies on his fastball a lot. As much as the M’s could really use a win to lift their spirits after the last few days, they have to be a really big underdog tonight.

Ichiro, RF
Figgins, 2B
Gutierrez, CF
Bradley, LF
Is He Still On Fire Even Though He’s One For His Last Ten?, DH
Lopez, 3B
Josh Wilson, SS
Johnson, C
Tuiasosopo, 1B

Comments

111 Responses to “Game 50, Twins at Mariners”

  1. Westside guy on May 31st, 2010 6:44 pm

    I am leaning towards not watching the game – but if I give in, it’ll be for the chance to watch the Twins lineup rather than the M’s. Seeing Mauer play might just be worth it, just like when the Mariners face the Cardinals in a few weeks – how can you not want to see Pujols?

  2. Rayvensdad on May 31st, 2010 6:57 pm

    Would much rather have Kotchman than Tui at 1st base. I know Kotch has not been producing, but the big reason he never got into a rhythm in his career is because of stuff like this. He starts to struggle and is taken out for multiple games at a time. Why hasn’t Figgi had some days off? Kotchman’s glove is more valuable the Tui’s, and their hitting is relatively close to each other’s. I know that this isn’t the fix this team needs, but I just wish we could get a decent idea as to where this team wants to go… contend by putting the best team out there more times than not, or get the youngins out there so we can build for the future. Wak seems to be just winging it now. And MAN I wish they’d allow Saunders more time. This organization sucks at properly developing talent and moving them to the highest level… Morrow, Clement, Fields, Aumont, LaHair, and all the other studs turned to duds. Though I find it hilarious that when many of these guys leave, they end up doing immeasurably better… Miguel Olivo, Silva (still not sure how), Ryan Franklin, Joel Piniero, Torrealba… makes you wonder which direction our prized Ackley is headed. Seems up, but with this club… you never freaking know.

  3. Rayvensdad on May 31st, 2010 7:07 pm

    And Morrow, while still has a bad ERA, due to a poor start this year, is given a consistent chance to start in Toronto and just threw 7 innings against Tampa Bay and gave up 3 hits and 1 earned run. I know many liked that trade and wanted him outta here… but for Brandon League? If we were gonna send Morrow packing, I surely expected something more than that. That was the best we got for a 1st round draft pick that almost NO HIT the Yanks, and could never get settled because he was so poorly mishandled by the organization. I can see him turning into a stud in a few years with an organization that realistically wont catch the Yanks or Rays so what is the harm in having him have some bad games or even a bad month or two. A VERY low risk and High reward and their laughing at us all the way to the bank. I liked a lot of the moves this off season… but that was one I never did.

  4. juneau_fan on May 31st, 2010 7:21 pm

    How was that not out?

    If it wasn’t for bad luck, the Mariners would have no luck at all.

  5. Refuse2Lose20666 on May 31st, 2010 7:24 pm

    Bradley got robbed that was not a strike.

  6. Rayvensdad on May 31st, 2010 7:29 pm

    Well, only way to win this game was if Fister shutout the Twins… time to watch something else. Have a good night gentlemen and ladies.

  7. King.Dome on May 31st, 2010 7:31 pm

    What’s up with all the cheering? Are there really that many Twin fans there tonight?

  8. MX on May 31st, 2010 7:31 pm

    Are we still pretending we are contenders?

  9. springs_eternal on May 31st, 2010 7:32 pm

    …aaaaaaaand back to Mario Galaxy 2.

  10. lesch2k on May 31st, 2010 7:36 pm

    Silva

    as Dave said on the radio silva got sent to aaa or the national league or whatever it’s called so his opposition hitters aren’t as good

  11. juneau_fan on May 31st, 2010 7:37 pm

    King.Dome, Dave mentioned that a lot of Canadian fans come down to watch Morneau play.

    (Let’s see if my post gets eaten again)

  12. marinerblue on May 31st, 2010 7:41 pm

    Sweet. More Rob Johnson. I bet the other team giggles when they see Wak roll that guy out there. I’m not sure he’s a Triple A player, let alone a big leaguer. (Same probably true for Tui, but it’ll take 2 more years before the M’s give up on their chosen ones).

  13. Wallingfjord on May 31st, 2010 7:45 pm

    Yep, Robo and Tui pretty much defined “overmatched” on those strikeouts. Ugly.

  14. Rayvensdad on May 31st, 2010 7:46 pm

    5 strikeouts in two innings for Liriano? Will someone turn on the Bug Zapper so the hitters don’t have to worry about killing them all themselves. Watching them swing makes it look like their trying to conduct an orchestra filled with deaf musicians… just flailing around.

  15. King.Dome on May 31st, 2010 7:50 pm

    Ok, thanks. I’m surprised I never put 2 and 2 together to figure out where he is from exactly. Maybe I knew and forgot, I don’t know. I guess I’m getting old, ha. I guess he’s from the Vancouver area. Now I should remember. Now as we lose at home I have to listen to the opposing fans cheering all loud. Sure, add insult to injury – this year, I’m not surprised by much.

  16. IwearMsHats on May 31st, 2010 7:54 pm

    At least I have Liriano as one of my Fantasy SP tonight!

  17. G-Man on May 31st, 2010 7:56 pm

    Woo-ha – perfect hit and run!

  18. G-Man on May 31st, 2010 7:57 pm

    as Dave said on the radio silva got sent to aaa or the national league or whatever it’s called so his opposition hitters aren’t as good

    ROFL – I wish I’d heard that!

  19. juneau_fan on May 31st, 2010 8:04 pm

    I like how Bradley didn’t even bother tracking that ball to the wall.

  20. Rick Banjo on May 31st, 2010 8:22 pm

    Sure wish Alfonzo was back in the lineup. Yeah, he gives up runs with his defense too, but at least he looks like a baseball player…

  21. Carson on May 31st, 2010 8:32 pm

    How unprecedented would it be for Wak to ask Figgins to bat solely from the right side? I don’t know that he’d still hit over .300 against righties but could we hope for him to do whatever he has been?

  22. King.Dome on May 31st, 2010 8:33 pm

    We have been threatening a bunch on offense tonight – that’s good to see. We have to take advantage of our chances, to state the obvious.

  23. nvn8vbryce on May 31st, 2010 8:42 pm

    I’m hoping that the bottom of the lineup was paying attention to the baseball clinic put on by Ichiro, et. al.

  24. SODOMOJO360 on May 31st, 2010 8:44 pm

    Morrow, Clement, Fields, Aumont, LaHair, and all the other studs turned to duds.

    None of these guys were ever studs. Morrow had a good year as a reliever and a couple good starts but certainly is not a stud and hasn’t done much better in Toronto. Was OK today though. These are all Bavasi guys and there’s a reason they are gone. They stink! Jack Z. is doing the best he can with the mess that was left behind but it will take another year or two. Getting Guti was a great start. French is killin in Tacoma and the other pitchers that came in trades are doing well in the minors. The future is much more bright with those guys gone and Jack Z. in charge.

  25. Harrison on May 31st, 2010 8:47 pm

    More Rob Johnson. I bet the other team giggles when they see Wak roll that guy out there. I’m not sure he’s a Triple A player, let alone a big leaguer. Same probably true for Tui

    Yep. When I saw Tui and RoJo in this game I knew we were screwed. This has little to do with JackZ and a whole lot more to do with Wakamatsu. Langerhans should be playing along with Saunders and our new catcher, Eliezer Alfonzo — whatever happened to the “Go with the hot bat” philosophy?! Glad I’m only watching the later innings.

  26. SODOMOJO360 on May 31st, 2010 8:48 pm

    I agree with with you Ravensdad, that was a bad trade. Again Morrow was a Bavasi guy and Jack didn’t like him long term. He should have got more for him but I think he was in love with League. He can’t be perfect and so far this is the only mistake Jack has made.

  27. Hammy57 on May 31st, 2010 8:49 pm

    True sign of a fan…root for the team even when they suck. Remember that.

  28. CarpCarter on May 31st, 2010 8:58 pm

    Wow, does Tui really have 19 Ks versus only 1 walk through 43 at-bats? Those numbers would make Jose Lopez wince.

    Are you kidding me, Wak. Jesus.

    EDIT: Woops! 20 through 44! Major League-ready!

  29. Hammy57 on May 31st, 2010 9:04 pm

    Just to think…we could have Strasburg if the Mariners would have just lost ONE MORE GAME!

  30. Rayvensdad on May 31st, 2010 9:05 pm

    I do have to say, that through all of this year’s major frustrations, and though he might not be as sharp today as he has been, Doug Fister is an absolute fearless competitor. Got hit a bit in the 2nd and 4th, but the guy doesn’t seem to flinch. Just goes out there right after these guys giving the team an opportunity to try and get back in this. If this season ended now, at least it is nice knowing we have a young starter, who isn’t going to blow fastballs by guys, but is smart and not intimidated… though probably tough to be scared when you are 6 foot 200 inches tall and are usually looking down at everyone.

  31. SODOMOJO360 on May 31st, 2010 9:07 pm

    Yes Fister and Vargas have been great this year. Vargas being another Jack Z. guy. Now if we could only hit better than a AAA team we might have a chance.

  32. Rayvensdad on May 31st, 2010 9:08 pm

    Leave Fister in there to get through the 8th, for god’s sake, he deserves that! Why oh why would you put RRS in there? At least get Fister through 8 and hope to get a few runs to “maybe” get him a win.

  33. Hammy57 on May 31st, 2010 9:10 pm

    That officially crossed the line. I now hate Wakamatsu. You freaking idiot. LEAVE Fister in there! He was BATTLING for YOU and YOUR BULLPEN.

  34. CarpCarter on May 31st, 2010 9:10 pm

    Yes Fister and Vargas have been great this year. Vargas being another Jack Z. guy. Now if we could only hit better than a AAA team we might have a chance.

    Vargas’ performance thus far seems to be at least in part a product of Safeco Magic(TM). Fister is legitimately mystifying home and away.

  35. Rayvensdad on May 31st, 2010 9:11 pm

    With you all the way Hammy57!!!!!!! What a way to slap a guy in the face who battled all game. Under 100 pitches and got Mauer to get out all three times… why does Wak not trust Fister when he seems to trust all the head cases in the bullpen?

  36. SODOMOJO360 on May 31st, 2010 9:11 pm

    Well isn’t that the point Carp? To bring in guys that use our home field to their advantage?

  37. CarpCarter on May 31st, 2010 9:13 pm

    With you all the way Hammy57!!!!!!! What a way to slap a guy in the face who battled all game. Under 100 pitches and got Mauer to get out all three times… why does Wak not trust Fister when he seems to trust all the head cases in the bullpen?

    Anti-belief system. Who knows anymore. Wak is a nut and has already lost all good will he earned last year with plenty of games left to play. I wouldn’t be surprised to learn of an assassination attempt by season’s end.

  38. SODOMOJO360 on May 31st, 2010 9:14 pm

    That’s going a bit far Carp. Wak can only put the guys on the field, it’s up to them to perform.

  39. Hammy57 on May 31st, 2010 9:16 pm

    I feel like they should be playing circus music at the end of every inning instead of military music. Put a tent on the field, it’s officially a circus.

  40. CarpCarter on May 31st, 2010 9:16 pm

    True, but he can do us all a favor and put (or leave) the RIGHT guys on the field, like not pulling Fister early or continuing to trot out Tui all over the diamond when he can’t hit or run or even take a pitch at the major league level.

    And the RRS hit parade begins. Goodnight everybody.

  41. Hammy57 on May 31st, 2010 9:20 pm

    Brandon League? Oh god. Here comes a walk and then a grand slam.

    What says “Trying to stay in the ballgame so the team can try to make a comeback” more than Brandon League? Wakamatsu is a complete idiot.

  42. SODOMOJO360 on May 31st, 2010 9:21 pm

    Kotch is not any better than Tui right now and Liriano is one of the best lefties in the game right now. This is what happens when you have 3 left handed hitter on the bench. You have play Tui.

  43. Diehard on May 31st, 2010 9:22 pm

    Brandon League? Oh god. Here comes a walk and then a grand slam.

    And a passed ball or two

  44. Milendriel on May 31st, 2010 9:23 pm

    Wow, is there ever a situation where Rob isn’t a threat to drop the ball?

  45. Hammy57 on May 31st, 2010 9:24 pm

    Rob Johnson has the worst batting average for a starting catcher in the league AND has the most pass balls! WHAT does he have to do to be sent down or at least NOT BE OUR STARTER?

  46. Diehard on May 31st, 2010 9:25 pm

    Sweeney and Tui combine for 5K’s tonight. Yeah enough said…
    At least Figgins is starting to hit! That’s one positive.

  47. King.Dome on May 31st, 2010 9:25 pm

    Good job League.

  48. pareto on May 31st, 2010 9:25 pm

    Wow, is there ever a situation where Rob isn’t a threat to drop the ball?

    when he lets a pitch hit the backstop.

  49. CarpCarter on May 31st, 2010 9:25 pm

    I’d take a lineup full of lefties versus Sandy Koufax over Tui versus anybody right now and for the foreseeable future. The guy can’t play. Period.

  50. Hammy57 on May 31st, 2010 9:26 pm

    Good job League.

    I believe that is the first time in the history of man someone has said that.

  51. King.Dome on May 31st, 2010 9:26 pm

    Why does Langerhans never play??

  52. Breadbaker on May 31st, 2010 9:26 pm

    One of the rare times we’ve brought a reliever in mid-inning and he actually got the job done. Three straight grounders straight to third. Nice.

  53. Westside guy on May 31st, 2010 9:28 pm

    Why does Langerhans never play?

    Probably for the same reason Saunders doesn’t play. Wak doesn’t believe in him.

  54. Hammy57 on May 31st, 2010 9:29 pm

    Wow, Griffey is actually a better option than Rob Johnson. Griffey is NOT the worst player on our team. That shows you how much Rob Johnson sucks.

  55. King.Dome on May 31st, 2010 9:30 pm

    I’ve been happily surprised by Wilson’s offense. Nice little single there up the middle.

  56. juneau_fan on May 31st, 2010 9:30 pm

    I was just going to say, please pinch hit for Johnson…and it’s Griffey.

    DP, here we go.

  57. CarpCarter on May 31st, 2010 9:31 pm

    Paperboy delivers. Now batting .300 through 80 ABs while not being a huge effing strikeout liability.

  58. Hammy57 on May 31st, 2010 9:31 pm

    Come on Griffey. Hit one for ol’ times sake. Just one more time, please!

    Nevermind. Christ.

  59. Westside guy on May 31st, 2010 9:32 pm

    Wow, Griffey is actually a better option than Rob Johnson. Griffey is NOT the worst player on our team. That shows you how much Rob Johnson sucks.

    Well, RoJo has him beat in OPS – but if you factor in their defensive value, you might very well be right.

  60. SODOMOJO360 on May 31st, 2010 9:32 pm

    Because Langer and Saunders are lefties. Left handed hitters struggle vs. Leftie pitchers. Any smart baseball fan knows this.

  61. juneau_fan on May 31st, 2010 9:32 pm

    And he tried, he really tried.

    ETA: To hit into a DP, not the prayed for home run.

  62. Swungonandbelted on May 31st, 2010 9:33 pm

    I’m really starting to strongly dislike these guys….

  63. Breadbaker on May 31st, 2010 9:34 pm

    Is that the season in a nutshall or what? Kotchman gets a good swing on the ball and it turns into a double play because the other team plays it perfectly.

  64. Hammy57 on May 31st, 2010 9:34 pm

    Wakamatsu is an IDIOT. EVERY SINGLE manager in the league would have bunted and gotten the guy to second so you would have the TYING run in SCORING POSITION with ONE OUT. Fuck Wakamatsu. This makes me miss McClaren or Riggleman.

  65. tmac9311 on May 31st, 2010 9:34 pm

    well that was exciting until Griffey came to the plate.

  66. SODOMOJO360 on May 31st, 2010 9:34 pm

    Bunt with Kotch? He is not a bunter

  67. Diehard on May 31st, 2010 9:35 pm

    Wow kotchman freaking smoked that ball. That happens a lot to him. Well another one run loss in a season that is looking lost after a horrible 8-19 May.

  68. CarpCarter on May 31st, 2010 9:36 pm

    Wakamatsu is an IDIOT. EVERY SINGLE manager in the league would have bunted and gotten the guy to second so you would have the TYING run in SCORING POSITION with ONE OUT. Fuck Wakamatsu. This makes me miss McClaren or Riggleman.

    But you need to remember the BELIEF SYSTEM, because once Griffey gets that clutch walk-off homer the power will suddenly come back and then something something aw screw it.

  69. Hammy57 on May 31st, 2010 9:36 pm

    Bunt with Kotch? He is not a bunter

    Not with Kotchman, but the at bat before him. You leave Rob Johnson in and bunt, so the tying run is in scoring position with one out then you pinch hit Griffey or Kotchman for Tui. EVERY manager in the league would have done that. Except ours.

  70. Penace on May 31st, 2010 9:36 pm

    19-31 Good times

  71. tmac9311 on May 31st, 2010 9:38 pm

    well hopefully Sweeney isn’t the hot bat we need to have in the game anymore, so we can go back to having a real DH and left fielder tomorrow. Is Langerhauns still on the 25? How many times can we really run out Tui, a guy who can’t hit or play defense?

  72. SODOMOJO360 on May 31st, 2010 9:38 pm

    I don’t trust Rob to get down a bunt either.

  73. matthew on May 31st, 2010 9:38 pm

    I really don’t understand the logic Wak used in the 9th inning. At all.

    I’m through with this season.

  74. Rayvensdad on May 31st, 2010 9:39 pm

    Wak…………….. do you need a good grasp on what “small ball” is? With a guy on 1st and nobody out, “small ball” dictates that you bunt the guy to 2nd where a single ties the game. It also takes the double play out of the equation. Just figured you’d be interested…. SINCE ALL YOU SAID WAS THIS TEAM WOULD HAVE TO MANUFACTURE FREAKING RUNS!!! Casey Kotchman as a pinch hitter? .192 BA over a .136 BA. When you have BA’s that bad, stick with the guy who’s been playing. The pinch hitter is the rusty one who’s been drooling in the dugout. Also… a reason the bunt Wilson over to 2nd… because with 2 out and a guy on second……….. ICHIRO’S UP! Idiot!

  75. Transient Gadfly on May 31st, 2010 9:40 pm

    Wakamatsu is an IDIOT. EVERY SINGLE manager in the league would have bunted and gotten the guy to second

    Every single manager in the league would have been wrong. Bunting in that situation lowers your win probability from 32% to 28%

  76. Hammy57 on May 31st, 2010 9:40 pm

    New idea. Fire Wakamatsu. Griffey retires. Griffey becomes our manager. Can’t do much worse that Wakamatsu right?

  77. Harrison on May 31st, 2010 9:41 pm

    Josh Wilson is the bomb. Like someone else said…who needs Jack when you got Josh. What a stud!

  78. SODOMOJO360 on May 31st, 2010 9:41 pm

    I’m pretty sure if Wak had faith in his bottom of the order guys to get a bunt down against a dominant closer he would have.

  79. CarpCarter on May 31st, 2010 9:41 pm

    I hope Wak gets grilled by the media tonight for that bizarro 9th inning. What a laugher.

  80. Rayvensdad on May 31st, 2010 9:42 pm

    I guess this was another “tough luck loss”. Noose wrapped firmly around neck, stool wobbling below me, I sneeze, I fall, I twitch, I stop… and I wake up and do it all over again tomorrow. Boy, I love this city.

  81. SODOMOJO360 on May 31st, 2010 9:42 pm

    Every single manager in the league would have been wrong. Bunting in that situation lowers your win probability from 32% to 28%

    Thank you. You don’t make an out on purpose when you are losing. If the game was tied it’s a different story.

  82. King.Dome on May 31st, 2010 9:43 pm

    SODO – Uh, yeah, thanks for the breaking news (and you said it in such a classy way). Lefty righty stuff should only be followed so much. I think it’s safe to say Langerhans wouldn’t be worse than the other guys we’re running out there at a few places. Same goes for Saunders.

  83. MBK on May 31st, 2010 9:44 pm

    19-31 Good times

    So, twice as many losses as wins is only seven losses away at this point. Good times, indeed.

    I’m actively rooting against us now. That way when we win I can say, “My team never wins!” I’m hoping all these losses will be “death to belief systems” (but I doubt it!!!)

    I hate you, Mariners (my current belief system).

  84. don52656 on May 31st, 2010 9:45 pm

    I must say, the quality of the posts on this site has sure deteriorated. This season has certainly been a huge disappointment, but why do so many comments have to be so personal and bile-filled? It’s high time that the mediators start applying the rules of conduct for this site, or some of the really intelligent folks who post here are going to stop, which would be a real shame for those who come here to be part of an intelligent conversation about the game so many of us love.

  85. SODOMOJO360 on May 31st, 2010 9:45 pm

    Well people are whining about not seeing Langerhans and Saunders, two guys that would not be on any other major league team, starting against one of the best Lefties in Liriano. Wak isn’t a major league manager because he’s stupid. He did pretty well with less talent last year or did we all forget that already?

  86. CarpCarter on May 31st, 2010 9:46 pm

    Thank you. You don’t make an out on purpose when you are losing. If the game was tied it’s a different story.

    So you eschew all strategy in an eminently winnable one-run game to let Grandpa Griffey and the rest of the Mendoza Club swing away?

    Yeah, awesome. Tell me more.

  87. Hammy57 on May 31st, 2010 9:46 pm

    Gadfly and Sodo, you guys are idiots. Don’t give me this numbers sabermetrics bullshit. Baseball isn’t about computers and calculators. Nerds.

  88. SODOMOJO360 on May 31st, 2010 9:48 pm

    Baseball, of all the sports, is about numbers.

  89. TomTuttle on May 31st, 2010 9:48 pm

    Gadfly and Sodo, you guys are idiots. Don’t give me this numbers sabermetrics bullshit. Baseball isn’t about computers and calculators. Nerds.

    Bill James can’t hear you with his two World Series rings plugged in his ears.

    But anyways, GOOD LORD these 1-2 run losses are getting RIDICULOUS.

    SOMETHING has to give, underachieving or no on the players’ part.

  90. Faceplant on May 31st, 2010 9:48 pm

    Every single manager in the league would have been wrong. Bunting in that situation lowers your win probability from 32% to 28%

    Specific situations do matter. A successful sac bunt in that situation may on average reduce a teams win probability, it also would ensure (for the most part) that the Mariners best hitter would have come to bat with the tying run at second.

  91. SODOMOJO360 on May 31st, 2010 9:49 pm

    How do you think Jack Z. knew to bring in Guti? By looking at his defensive numbers and realizing he would be a gold glove center fielder. Are you going to argue he was wrong?

  92. King.Dome on May 31st, 2010 9:50 pm

    I was more talking in general, not about tonight. Our offense was surprisingly good tonight. We got the guys on, we just didn’t get them in. Usually we don’t even get the guys on, esp against a Liriano.

  93. Rayvensdad on May 31st, 2010 9:51 pm

    Honestly, if there is any hope in that clubhouse, I’d be surprised. I’ve lost a few close games in my athletic years, and they were always draining. To lose this many games, this close, this consistently? … Well, it’s just good these guys get paid a crazy amount to play, because if it wasn’t for that, the depression rate of this team would be stifling.

  94. Hammy57 on May 31st, 2010 9:51 pm

    You guys really think Joe Torre and Bobby Cox sit in their offices crunching the numbers and doing sabermetrics when trying to decide who to play? Baseball is starting to become pathetic with these nerds trying to make baseball into something it isn’t. Hell, I am only 26 years old and I am saying this…I miss the old days of baseball. It doesn’t take a calculator to figure out if a baseball player is good or not. I die a little inside when I read that shit.

  95. SODOMOJO360 on May 31st, 2010 9:51 pm

    Well in general, if there’s a righty on the mound then Saunders is starting. We have faced a bunch of lefties lately.

  96. Mike G. on May 31st, 2010 9:52 pm

    @Hammy57

    From the comment guidelines.

    Abusive behavior towards others
    When you post in reply to people, pretend that you are arguing with an umpire.
    “You blew that call, he was safe by a mile.” = Okay
    “You blow.” = Ejected

  97. tmac9311 on May 31st, 2010 9:52 pm

    Well people are whining about not seeing Langerhans and Saunders, two guys that would not be on any other major league team, starting against one of the best Lefties in Liriano. Wak isn’t a major league manager because he’s stupid. He did pretty well with less talent last year or did we all forget that already?

    that doesn’t really apply to our team though. Bard, Alonzo, Moore, Johnson, Griffey, Tui, Sweeney, Josh Wilson wouldn’t be on any other major league team either. Just cause Langerhauns and Saunders aren’t premier options doesn’t mean they aren’t our best bench players. Our team sucks pretty bad, they are the best options.

  98. Faceplant on May 31st, 2010 9:53 pm

    You guys really think Joe Torre and Bobby Cox sit in their offices crunching the numbers and doing sabermetrics when trying to decide who to play?

    If they are smart Joe Torre and Bobby Cox utilize every shred of available information.

  99. SODOMOJO360 on May 31st, 2010 9:54 pm

    Hammy, Torre doesn’t need to look at numbers because he has a young talented team of All-stars and had a 200 mil payroll in NY.

  100. Hammy57 on May 31st, 2010 9:54 pm

    Yeah, thanks Mike G.

  101. naviomelo on May 31st, 2010 9:54 pm

    Don’t give me this numbers sabermetrics bullshit. Baseball isn’t about computers and calculators. Nerds.

    In 2008, we were losing and had decent comments. In 2010, we are losing and have comments like these.

  102. SODOMOJO360 on May 31st, 2010 9:54 pm

    Just cause Langerhauns and Saunders aren’t premier options doesn’t mean they aren’t our best bench players. Our team sucks pretty bad, they are the best options.

    Maybe. But not against dominant lefties.

  103. SODOMOJO360 on May 31st, 2010 9:56 pm

    I agree navio but unfortunately there’s no screening process to be on here.

  104. Hammy57 on May 31st, 2010 9:58 pm

    I miss the old days. Last thing I will say. Adios.

  105. Rayvensdad on May 31st, 2010 9:59 pm

    Sodo, baseball might be about numbers, but these numbers are all flawed. There is never an exact science in sports… even this one. There are WAY too many factors. If the Yankees are down by one, at home, and a guy on 1st with nobody out, of course they aren’t bunting, and it doesn’t matter what part of the lineup you’re in for them. BUT US?!?!?! WE NEED to manufacture runs, because present statistics DO NOT account for the poor fundamentals this team plays, nor the bad luck they seem to attract, and horribly underachieving stats the players have been putting up. WAY TOO MANY FACTORS, so before anyone starts saying what should of been done due to statistics, save it. Pinch hit Griffey due to career numbers or pathetic present day numbers? Statistics show that a guy with Griffey’s history should put up decent numbers, but factors like age, deteriorating physical frame, home ball park, atmosphere in home ball park, team makeup, etc. etc. etc. all are not accounted for and change everything. Statistics are horribly over blown. Sports are all unpredictable… except Seattle sports. Build up… let down. Like death and taxes, the only things you can count on.

  106. Mike G. on May 31st, 2010 10:02 pm

    I’m guessing the tone as of late, is the reason we don’t see msb, Joser, Lauren… etc. anymore.

    2004-06 was miserable, but the threads were fun. A chance to commiserate with people in a positive less negative way.

    *Sigh* I wonder how the traffic in McCall is right now?

  107. Hammy57 on May 31st, 2010 10:05 pm

    .

  108. scraps on May 31st, 2010 11:18 pm

    A typical argument about baseball with somebody ignorant:

    >Gadfly and Sodo, you guys are idiots.

    Bunting in that situation lowers your win probability from 32% to 28%.

    >Don’t give me this numbers sabermetrics bullshit.

    No, really. It lowers your win probability.

    >Baseball isn’t about computers and calculators.

    Are you listening? Do you know what the words “win probability” means? It’s simple; it means you have a lower percentage of wins if you pursue this kind of strategy.

    >Nerds.

    Sigh.

  109. King.Dome on May 31st, 2010 11:19 pm

    Sodo – I’m with you I think when it comes to considering the numbers. The nerdy part is the point, to a degree of course. We have faced a bunch of lefties recently, true. I started off with Langerhans. I mean, try putting him in at 1B instead of Casey when a righty is starting? Is that such a bad idea? Actually our offense has been not as crappy the last week or so it seems. If it wasn’t for those two walk-offs in LA, we’d have been 5-1 this last week.

  110. Faceplant on June 1st, 2010 5:37 pm

    Are you listening? Do you know what the words “win probability” means? It’s simple; it means you have a lower percentage of wins if you pursue this kind of strategy.

    But you can’t just blanketly apply averages to every single individual situation.

    I’m not saying that a sacrifice was absolutely the best option, but it was certainly better than pinch hitting two double play machines with the tying run standing on first and ending the game with your best hitter sitting in the on deck circle.

  111. scraps on June 1st, 2010 6:52 pm

    If that was the argument, I’d've listened.

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