Game 63, Mariners at Padres

Dave · June 13, 2010 at 1:00 pm · Filed Under Mariners 

Richard vs Hernandez, 1:05 pm.

Happy (?) Felix Day.

Yeah, I got nothing.

Ichiro, RF
Figgins, 2B
Gutierrez, CF
Lopez, 3B
Bradley, LF
Josh Wilson, SS
Carp, 1B
Johnson, C
Hernandez, P

Comments

101 Responses to “Game 63, Mariners at Padres”

  1. juneau_fan on June 13th, 2010 1:12 pm

    *tap, tap* Is this thing on?

    No, it’s not. Some leadership there, Figgins.

    I found it humorous that Cliff Lee, who may very well not be on the team next week, is seen as a team leader in the players’ meeting.

    I did appreciate his passion when he struck out, unlike several players who just wander away from the batterbox, shell-shocked, after striking out.

  2. UncleCharlie on June 13th, 2010 1:17 pm

    nobody here today…hahahha

  3. Westside guy on June 13th, 2010 1:20 pm

    Cliff Lee fully invests himself in whatever team he plays for. When he was traded from Cleveland he was upset because he really liked the team, and the same thing happened when he was traded from Philly. I would think that sort of guy would fall naturally into the “leader” role wherever he plays.

    It’s just too bad we’re sucking – I’d think, with his personality, we’d have a small advantage if we wanted to sign him.

  4. lalo on June 13th, 2010 1:23 pm

    mmm, the Orioles again lost, and the first selection opportunity vanishes quickly.

    Anthony Rendon would be a good consolation prize for one of the worst seasons I can remember

  5. UncleCharlie on June 13th, 2010 1:25 pm

    It would be great to re-sign Lee, but if another team offers us some good young players that can hit I think it would be foolish not to trade him. It’s quite the pickle we are in. :/

  6. Carson on June 13th, 2010 1:28 pm

    That “change” was 96 :/

    Felix looks good.

  7. lalo on June 13th, 2010 1:29 pm

    Felix is again the same as before, that’s good that this happens because it is important for next season

  8. lalo on June 13th, 2010 1:29 pm

    Felix is again the same as before, that’s good that this happens because it is important for next season

  9. jsa on June 13th, 2010 1:31 pm

    The problem (for the last several years) seems to be that everyone expects Ichiro to be the leader (most senior player), but he is too aloof to take that role and everyone else is too cowed by him to take that role in his stead.

    Ken might have filled that role if he could have still hit a little bit.

    Therefore the new vets on the team, seeing the team-killing lack of leadership have to step up and take control.

    Sad. But give Lee and Figgins and Bradley props for at least trying. Bradley can barely handle himself, let alone others. Still he tried.

  10. lalo on June 13th, 2010 1:38 pm

    It would be great to re-sign Lee, but if another team offers us some good young players that can hit I think it would be foolish not to trade him. It’s quite the pickle we are in. :/

    I agree,also if we resign Lee, we could be spend 100 millions for the next 5 or 6 years, that is 25% of the anual budget… and no money to upgrade the offense…. = 5 or 6 seasons like this.

  11. Swungonandbelted on June 13th, 2010 1:39 pm

    whoops.

  12. scottg02 on June 13th, 2010 1:40 pm

    Haha fuck this season. Gwynn’s got some wheels.

  13. juneau_fan on June 13th, 2010 1:40 pm

    Cool that a player (jsa) took time out of the game to come and give us the inside poop about the players’ true personalities and interactions. Otherwise, I’d just assume it’s someone guessing off of crap about Ichiro that’s been floating around since he was signed.

    Speaking of cool, nice to see a team play with enthusiasm. Too bad it’s not my team.

  14. UncleCharlie on June 13th, 2010 1:41 pm

    I agree,also if we resign Lee, we could be waste 100 millions for the next 5 or 6 years, that is 25% of the anual budget… and no money to upgrade the offense…. = 5 or 6 seasons like this.

    I completely agree.

  15. scott19 on June 13th, 2010 1:42 pm

    And, now, an inside-the-park home run allowed…

    The hits (against the M’s) just keep on a-comin’ this season, don’t they?

  16. djw on June 13th, 2010 1:43 pm

    Juneau_Fan: JSA must be Franklin Gutierrez. Typing that up on his I-phone had him distracted.

  17. juneau_fan on June 13th, 2010 1:44 pm

    Even the Aflac quiz is tired. Anyone who watched Sportscenter last night knew the answer.

  18. argh on June 13th, 2010 1:48 pm

    Some leadership there, Figgins.

    I found Drayer’s interview of Figgins to be painful. I know baseball players are famously inarticulate but still.

  19. henryv on June 13th, 2010 1:50 pm

    I’m wondering if there is a team out there that is looking like this year will be there one year competing for a playoff spot, and they’re willing to give quite a bit more for Lee.

    Perhaps San Diego, or Texas, or the Giants.

  20. UncleCharlie on June 13th, 2010 1:50 pm

    I now wonder what Jack Z. has brewing in his mind in what direction he wants to go now that he has a good idea of what is lacking with this team.

  21. Swungonandbelted on June 13th, 2010 1:51 pm

    Bradley!

  22. henryv on June 13th, 2010 1:51 pm

    Haha..

    Milton dropped the bat like he knew it was gone.

    And then realized he was in Petco, and started running…

    Just BARELY clears that wall.

  23. henryv on June 13th, 2010 1:53 pm

    I now wonder what Jack Z. has brewing in his mind in what direction he wants to go now that he has a good idea of what is lacking with this team.

    Well, besides right and center field, this team needs serious upgrades.

  24. juneau_fan on June 13th, 2010 1:55 pm

    JSA must be Franklin Gutierrez. Typing that up on his I-phone had him distracted.

    That’s the only explanation. That was a painful play to watch. They’re officially in the crapper when Franklin misses.

    The thing about Ichiro and the team meetings is, he’s infamous for his ‘pep talk’ before the All Star game. Maybe he gives those in his own locker room and no one listens. Maybe he’s just biding his time, padding his stats, and truly doesn’t care. Perhaps the constant turnover of players has never led to close enough relationships that he feels he can get through to anyone.

    The only truth is, we don’t know, because he’s never directly addressed it in a statement.

    Why am I bitter that Lopez cost them a run with his groundball straight to the 3rd baseman,again? I should be grateful for every run.

  25. henryv on June 13th, 2010 1:58 pm

    I hate Rob Johnson. So much. Even the balls he catches he makes look awful.

  26. UncleCharlie on June 13th, 2010 1:58 pm

    It would be nice to unload Ichiro for some better players to round out the roster. We haven’t done jack sh** since his first two years with the Mariners.

  27. scott19 on June 13th, 2010 1:59 pm

    Good job, MB!

    Re Lee…if Nolan Ryan is successful in putting together an ownership group and pulling the Rangers out of the red, it wouldn’t surprise me if they took a run at signing him this off-season. It seems as if that team has been looking for a dominant “ace”-quality pitcher forever now…and if he can pitch as well as he did last Monday night in that 95-degree heat, that certainly says a lot.

  28. lalo on June 13th, 2010 2:00 pm

    I think it’s possible to get good prospects in a trade for Lee, perhaps not the Yankees but Jack can ask small market teams that are going to playoffs, and who are desperate to do them well this season, and we send two or three prospects who understood ready for the next season or two at most and thus cheaper to improve the offense and pitching, here we see the intelligence of Jack

  29. henryv on June 13th, 2010 2:01 pm

    The thing about Ichiro and the team meetings is, he’s infamous for his ‘pep talk’ before the All Star game. Maybe he gives those in his own locker room and no one listens. Maybe he’s just biding his time, padding his stats, and truly doesn’t care. Perhaps the constant turnover of players has never led to close enough relationships that he feels he can get through to anyone.

    The only truth is, we don’t know, because he’s never directly addressed it in a statement.

    I’m sorry, but I can’t disagree more with every single part of that statement. Politely, of course.

  30. scott19 on June 13th, 2010 2:03 pm

    It would be nice to unload Ichiro for some better players to round out the roster. We haven’t done jack sh** since his first two years with the Mariners.

    But, since Ichiro’s last name is not Bavasi, he can hardly be blamed for that mess.

  31. UncleCharlie on June 13th, 2010 2:03 pm

    I like Ichiro, but I would like him better on another team. He is just a little to self-fish for me taster.

  32. henryv on June 13th, 2010 2:03 pm

    Nice speed, Rob.

    Felix lays down a good bunt, and you still don’t get there.

    Looking doesn’t help. RUN, dummy!

  33. UncleCharlie on June 13th, 2010 2:04 pm

    me taster= my taste

  34. juneau_fan on June 13th, 2010 2:07 pm

    I’m sorry, but I can’t disagree more with every single part of that statement. Politely, of course.

    That was sort of the idea since each part was a different option, other than to say we don’t know Ichiro’s true thoughts on the whole team meeting things. So I assume you’ve got a link to an article where he addresses it? If so, it would help the discussion.

  35. henryv on June 13th, 2010 2:10 pm

    I like Ichiro, but I would like him better on another team. He is just a little to self-fish for me taster.

    On what basis? He is one of, if not THE best lead off hitters in the game. He plays great defense, bunts when asked, and is a perfectionist at his game. You’ll never see him out late drinking or being out of shape. He doesn’t get hurt because he’s lazy during the off-season.

    He steals bases, and he doesn’t argue with the manager, umpire, or his team mates. He never calls out ANYONE in the media.

    There are 29 other teams in the majors that want Ichiro, now.

  36. Westside guy on June 13th, 2010 2:10 pm

    Oh good grief, it’s 2008 again. Most of the team’s playing poorly yet some types are blaming the one guy who is still producing as being “selfish”.

    I suppose you think he’s inscrutable as well.

  37. henryv on June 13th, 2010 2:11 pm

    That was sort of the idea since each part was a different option, other than to say we don’t know Ichiro’s true thoughts on the whole team meeting things. So I assume you’ve got a link to an article where he addresses it? If so, it would help the discussion.

    I think that all of those are incorrect.

    I think that he is, as an individual, not comfortable leading. Not everyone is.

    And leadership is massively overrated anyways. Having two cheerleaders didn’t help this garbage of a team one bit.

  38. scott19 on June 13th, 2010 2:12 pm

    Nice speed, Rob.

    Watching Robo Rob run reminds of that one episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation where the crew encounters those brain-damaged Borg drones whom Data’s evil twin brother Lore was experimenting on — since those guys were just sort of roaming around in a disoriented state. :)

  39. juneau_fan on June 13th, 2010 2:16 pm

    I think we’re talking about cross purposes, henryv. I was putting up some examples of the reasoning we see from rumors, the press, and fan speculation.

    So for the third time, they *could* be true (even a blind squirrel finds a nut) but we don’t know because we aren’t Ichiro.

    Ironically, I was JUST thinking at the start of the game, someone will be calling for Ichiro to be traded soon. Why doesn’t anyone call for Felix to be traded? SD traded Jake Peavy and he’s not missed at all.

  40. djw on June 13th, 2010 2:17 pm

    It’s amazing just how universal (and universally incoherent) the “fans of losing teams blame the best players” phenomenon is. I’d love some social psychologist to expain it, because I don’t really have any good theories.

  41. UncleCharlie on June 13th, 2010 2:18 pm

    Nah…I agree with all that you say. Great hitter and plays defense well. But unwilling to be moved around in the order, if it has even been brought up to him, to get other players better pitches to hit. The basic issue is that I feel it just hasn’t worked out here with him on the team. I suppose its a case of its time to move on. If the Mariners can improve with him on the roster, I would love to see it. I’m not trying to be a hater. Just tired of seeing the whole team move up and down in the order and Ichiro remaining at the top with no success of producing any runs.

  42. lalo on June 13th, 2010 2:23 pm

    I hate Jose Lopez, and I hate Wak, for he put him in the 4 hole

  43. juneau_fan on June 13th, 2010 2:25 pm

    I LOVE when the pitcher walks the next batter after an intentional walk.

    But I still hate Lopez. Kotchman hits groundballs to the right side, Lopez to the left.

  44. scott19 on June 13th, 2010 2:27 pm

    Your 2010 Seattle Mariners: Bases Loaded, So What?!

  45. dingla on June 13th, 2010 2:27 pm

    LET THE KING HIT FOR GOODNESS SAKES!

  46. jeffcor13 on June 13th, 2010 2:28 pm

    Lopez is a gaping hole in our lineup…I think he would be a nice #7 hitter, certainly not a cleanup, especially when you are putting so much speed on the bases in the first three hitters, and then have him come out there and role over into a DP every game…

  47. UncleCharlie on June 13th, 2010 2:28 pm

    This team is full AAA players trying to compete against true major ball players.

  48. scott19 on June 13th, 2010 2:30 pm

    I think he would be a nice #7 hitter

    For the Pittsburgh Pirates, perhaps.

  49. lalo on June 13th, 2010 2:31 pm

    I think he would be a nice #7 hitter

    For the Pittsburgh Pirates, perhaps.

    I agree

  50. jeffcor13 on June 13th, 2010 2:47 pm

    I think he would be a nice #7 hitter
    For the Pittsburgh Pirates, perhaps.

    Of course

  51. scott19 on June 13th, 2010 2:48 pm

    Well, if Hairston winds up being the winning run, the Padres have Angel Hernandez to thank for that gift.

  52. UncleCharlie on June 13th, 2010 2:53 pm

    this umpire sucks…

  53. scott19 on June 13th, 2010 2:59 pm

    Ironically, the Pirates have had Ronny Cedeno batting in the seven-hole in some games this season…and he’s hitting around .240 so far.

    Not great…but, then again, no worse than some of the M’s lineup.

  54. EthanN on June 13th, 2010 3:00 pm

    Not bad Lopez.

  55. EthanN on June 13th, 2010 3:00 pm

    Not bad Lopez.

  56. scott19 on June 13th, 2010 3:01 pm

    And, as soon as we start lamenting J-Lo, he shows us some love at the plate for a change…

  57. EthanN on June 13th, 2010 3:02 pm

    The Padre announcers are pissed about that hit batter call. I heard serious anger in their voices

  58. UncleCharlie on June 13th, 2010 3:03 pm

    this umpire is a moron! lucky for us

  59. G-Man on June 13th, 2010 3:05 pm

    It’s debatable whether we profit from MB getting the HBP call (without 20-20 hindsight). Sets up a DP, doesn’t advance the lead runner, and brings a lesser batter up.

  60. UncleCharlie on June 13th, 2010 3:06 pm

    bah!

  61. MariLOLs on June 13th, 2010 3:07 pm

    Three horrible umps on the same crew. Hernandez, West, and Schreiber. West was going to call the balk, but Angel beat him to it.

  62. EthanN on June 13th, 2010 3:09 pm

    Is Aardsma pitching next inning? If so, I should probably just turn the game off right now

  63. scott19 on June 13th, 2010 3:13 pm

    Hernandez, West, and Schreiber.

    AKA Larry, Curly, and Moe!

  64. G-Man on June 13th, 2010 3:15 pm

    Is Aardsma pitching next inning? If so, I should probably just turn the game off right now

    I’m wondering myself. 112 pitches for Felix. He’s probably lobbying Wak vigorously to stay in. He’s up this inning, too.

    And he’s up, so he’s staying in.

  65. scott19 on June 13th, 2010 3:17 pm

    Wow…RoJo with a three-hit day!

    Only goes to prove that you never know what you’ll see at a baseball game.

  66. scott19 on June 13th, 2010 3:19 pm

    Thanks, Ichiro!

  67. EthanN on June 13th, 2010 3:28 pm

    Oh crap. Aardsma is warming up…

  68. djw on June 13th, 2010 3:33 pm

    Am I the only person a bit troubled by Felix going up to ~130 pitches here? Didn’t we just invest about 80 million dollars in that arm?

  69. juneau_fan on June 13th, 2010 3:34 pm

    Surely, DA can get one out, right?

    HAHHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAAHHHHAAAAA….Only after he gives up that HR!

  70. scott19 on June 13th, 2010 3:34 pm

    Weeellll…the Aardvark man is coming into the game to blow it yet again…

    Have a good afternoon, everybody!

  71. EthanN on June 13th, 2010 3:36 pm

    I can’t watch. He either throws it down the middle or ten feet out of the zone.

  72. scott19 on June 13th, 2010 3:36 pm

    Actually, I’m more concerned about anybody in the bullpen even throwing one pitch lately.

  73. G-Man on June 13th, 2010 3:39 pm

    Heh, Sims didn’t say “case closed” for DA’s save.

  74. pgreyy on June 13th, 2010 3:39 pm

    We salvage one.

    And there was much rejoicing.

    Meh.

  75. UncleCharlie on June 13th, 2010 3:41 pm

    game over. whew.

  76. MX on June 13th, 2010 4:10 pm

    I was surprised Aardsma has 13 saves. Do we even have that many wins?

  77. kenshabby on June 13th, 2010 4:22 pm

    Did we get a “Well, this could be the start of something…” line out of Rick Rizzs?

  78. StankeyGrammasBroglio on June 13th, 2010 5:31 pm

    On the Ichiro “leader or not leader” matter: despite the fact that he sort of minces and preens in batter box, like a slim little faun, he is macho… in an old-fashion Japanese way. Macho is what Seattle is not. It is a heavily feminized ball club (embarassing roles for the players in insipid TV commercials, constant nostalgia and icon worship, endless discussions about feelings … puke…) A non-feminized player just has to hunker down, do his thing and avoid contact with the junior-league wuss-dom everywhere around him. Or else act a certain way so he can get traded. This above-it-all andcool attitude describes Ichiro and Lee, perhaps Figgins (not sure). The fact that Ichiro has survived this feminized swamp so long is miraculous; probably he stays out of some kind of loyalty ethic based on his Japanese mentors and business contacts. I predict Seattle (Queen City) will be first to hire a woman GM, or a woman player (isn’t there some gal pitching in some pro league somewhere???). That’s when I’ll stop following baseball here.

  79. Paul B on June 13th, 2010 5:38 pm

    Wow. Just wow.

    A message betraying such fear and misunderstanding.

    Where is DMZ when we need a pithy comment?

  80. justcruisn on June 13th, 2010 5:42 pm

    No worries now. M’s just need to go 92-7 the rest of the way to tie the 2001 Mariners. Is it too early to camp out at the ticket office for playoff tickets??

  81. Dennisss on June 13th, 2010 5:48 pm

    Stankeyetc, that is one of the stranger things I have seen anywhere.

    Baseball itself may not be your game. Maybe hockey or mixed martial arts fighting. Check out some Charles Bronson movies — lots of guy stuff in those.

    I guess I just don’t understand…

  82. okinawadave on June 13th, 2010 5:49 pm

    That’s when I’ll stop following baseball here.

    Misogyny FTW!

  83. Dennisss on June 13th, 2010 5:51 pm

    LL has a blurb about Wak leaving Felix in to help establish trust between them. I have a different theory — I think Wak really felt it was important to win one game.

    I wouldn’t argue with that.

  84. StankeyGrammasBroglio on June 13th, 2010 5:57 pm

    You guys I guess really like the emphasis here in Seattle on memories, feelings, fairness, and niceness. Good luck! I’ll take mute concentration and the numb drive to the finish… any day. I daydream with images of Stengel just sitting there, squished up at the end of the dugout bench, rather snarling at idiotic questions by reporters and saying crusty old “uncle-like” things about his players without any hint that he wishes to cure them or coddle them. You guys jes don’ git it. By the way, what does “FTW” mean?

  85. SODOMOJO360 on June 13th, 2010 6:01 pm

    t would be great to re-sign Lee, but if another team offers us some good young players that can hit I think it would be foolish not to trade him. It’s quite the pickle we are in. :/

    There’s no pickle. No way in hell Lee stays here when he can go win somewhere else right away.

  86. SODOMOJO360 on June 13th, 2010 6:09 pm

    Nah…I agree with all that you say. Great hitter and plays defense well. But unwilling to be moved around in the order, if it has even been brought up to him, to get other players better pitches to hit. The basic issue is that I feel it just hasn’t worked out here with him on the team. I suppose its a case of its time to move on. If the Mariners can improve with him on the roster, I would love to see it. I’m not trying to be a hater. Just tired of seeing the whole team move up and down in the order and Ichiro remaining at the top with no success of producing any runs.

    I agree. If he’s a the top of the order it doesn’t matter if he hits .350 if no one can drive him in. If he’s hitting 3rd then the few times there are people on in front of him then at least he could drive them in unlike Guti or Lopez. Trade him to fill in our other holes. They never will though because of how popular he is.

  87. scott19 on June 13th, 2010 6:39 pm

    then at least he could drive them in unlike Guti

    Who, BTW, is currently leading the team in runs batted in.

  88. spankystout on June 13th, 2010 7:48 pm

    Stankey

    Your insight is unparalleled. I didn’t realize that machismo made ball players. Maybe all players should go on a Macho Man Randy Savage machismo retreat? The M’s will surely crank out wins after a macho boost.

    Seriously though, you are confusing macho with determination, will, ability, competitiveness, ability, etc….

  89. okinawadave on June 13th, 2010 7:49 pm

    By the way, what does “FTW” mean?

    FTW

    Check the Urban Dictionary definition. I’ll let you decide if I was genuine or sarcastic.

  90. spankystout on June 13th, 2010 7:54 pm

    By The Way, why is a hypothetical woman so threatening to your enjoyment of a game? Did you forget about the women playing ball during WW2? Maybe you shouldn’t have ever started watching baseball because women already broke that barrier. Just a hint.

  91. SODOMOJO360 on June 13th, 2010 8:34 pm

    Who, BTW, is currently leading the team in runs batted in.

    Only because he’s hitting 3rd

  92. littlesongs on June 13th, 2010 9:00 pm

    Just a hint.

    Here is another: Joanne Weaver hit .429 in 1954 and it was the highest season average for anyone in professional baseball with a minimum of 300 PAs.

    Ichiro… trade, blah, blah, mysogyny, blah, blah, thinly veiled racism, blah, blah…

    Since the “saved baseball in Seattle” meme quietly climbed into a car and headed for Florida, can we roll a new one out?

    Ichiro! made sure that baseball stayed in Seattle.

    The ’95 team rescued the franchise, but it could easily be argued that fans would not have kept coming without the 2001 season and the legacy of Ichiro.

    Ichiro has been consistent through thick and thin, earned every penny of his contract and played the game to the best of his abilities. He is a superstar with a worldwide fanbase. His career has been a series of triumphs unmarred by scandal or questions about his natural abilities.

    Imagine every team since 2001 without number 51 roaming the outfield. Hell, imagine this sorry pathetic excuse for a baseball game today without his contributions. Yeah, it makes me shudder too.

  93. firova2 on June 13th, 2010 9:59 pm

    What happened to the comments around here? This used to be a tight ship. Makes me appreciate DMZ and friends more.

  94. LongDistance on June 13th, 2010 11:41 pm

    firova2… this is a manly thread now. Don’t bring up things like tight ships… which would generate Village People allusions. Dangerous territory, what with all that clubhouse chemistry hugging…

    WTB and FTW… The King was pretty manly out there.

    Right… gotta go and crush some beer cans on my forehead.

  95. djw on June 13th, 2010 11:58 pm

    What happened to the comments around here? This used to be a tight ship.

    Yeah. In addition to the raging misogyny (which, in fairness, was just one commenter), it’s kind of sad that at this late date, we’ve got a comment thread with several people who seem to believe that getting RBIs is some sort of special independent skill. Oh well–you can lead a horse to water etc etc.

  96. scott19 on June 14th, 2010 12:07 am

    Ichiro has been consistent through thick and thin, earned every penny of his contract and played the game to the best of his abilities. He is a superstar with a worldwide fanbase. His career has been a series of triumphs unmarred by scandal or questions about his natural abilities.

    Imagine every team since 2001 without number 51 roaming the outfield. Hell, imagine this sorry pathetic excuse for a baseball game today without his contributions. Yeah, it makes me shudder too.

    Here, here, bro! I know there are some folks around here who are so pi$$ed off at the way the season’s turned out that they’re just clutching at straws and trying to vent in the most convenient way possible. Yet keep in mind that those are the same folks who — if Ichiro were to be traded for other players who didn’t work out — would be whining just as loudly about them if the team was still mired in last place.

    And, at that point, they would have no excuse.

    What happened to the comments around here? This used to be a tight ship. Makes me appreciate DMZ and friends more.

    Agreed, also. I blog on a couple of other sports sites as well…and it’s amazing some of the crap that people are allowed to post on those sites without any kind of scrutiny. I believe I echo the sentiments of several others here who believe that the overall intelligence of most of the posters here is what makes this community a cut above the rest — and, to that end, please keep up the good work, Dave and crew.

    BTW, to certain unnamed persons who — due to their blatant sexism, misogyny and immaturity — think that women have no place anywhere near the game, I think former Colorado Silver Bullets outfielder and FSN commentator Angie Mentink may have something to say about that.

  97. scott19 on June 14th, 2010 12:23 am

    we’ve got a comment thread with several people who seem to believe that getting RBIs is some sort of special independent skill

    DJW -

    Okay, I figured somebody was probably gonna try to hammer me on that one, so let me just defend myself. I think RBIs are a completely overrated stat as well…however, in that case, I was merely coming to the defense of Guti (who, as we know, has been one of the few guys who’s actually been able to hit the damn ball on this team so far this year) after someone else mentioned that he hasn’t been any good — which I took exception to.

    If I sounded like some kind of “hayseed” there, my apologies.

  98. djw on June 14th, 2010 1:21 am

    Yes, quite–Gutierrez is a good hitter, whose RBI total is only peripherally related to that fact. The notion that he’s not an “RBI guy” is either incoherent or meaningless or both.

    And on the “Ichiro should be traded because he won’t hit 3rd” line of reasoning: as authors on this site have detailed multiple times, it’s more line-up optimal to have your best hitters 1-2-4 than at 3. The belief that Ichiro moving to 3rd in the batting order would help the team runs contrary to the best evidence and research that currently exists on batting order optimization.

  99. the tourist on June 14th, 2010 1:39 am

    I love all the people who want Ichiro to bat 3rd to drive in some runs. Who would be getting on in front of him? He can’t drive himself in. Maybe it’d be an interesting experiment if the Mariners had two or three other elite hitters in the lineup that they could place in front of him.

  100. samregens on June 14th, 2010 5:58 am

    the tourist, if you’re talking about UncleCharlie’s comments, I completely wrote him off as just another Ichiro hater. It’s the only explanation that makes sense.

  101. msfanmike on June 14th, 2010 10:10 am

    I believe I echo the sentiments of several others here who believe that the overall intelligence of most of the posters here is what makes this community a cut above the rest — and, to that end, please keep up the good work, Dave and crew.

    Great comment Scott. You are exactly right.

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