Game 78, Mariners at Yankees

Dave · July 1, 2010 at 8:18 am · Filed Under Mariners 

Rowland-Smith vs Sabathia, 10:05 am.

This probably won’t go as well as the last two days. Good luck, Hyphen – you’re going to need a lot of it.

Ichiro, RF
Figgins, 2B
Branyan, 1B
Bradley, DH
Lopez, 3B
Josh Wilson, SS
Langerhans, LF
Bard, C
Saunders, CF

Comments

83 Responses to “Game 78, Mariners at Yankees”

  1. robbbbbb on July 1st, 2010 8:23 am

    I would trade every other win for the rest of the year if the Mariners could beat the Yankees in each of their remaining eight contests.

  2. Nate on July 1st, 2010 8:35 am

    what? RR-S isn’t projected to throw a CG? I also would love love to somehow get a sweep in this series.

  3. MrZDevotee on July 1st, 2010 8:41 am

    We have a chance, Dave. 7 is a divine number, and a sweep of the Yankees with three games of scoring 7 runs would be a righteous event indeed.

    And as the novelty t-shirt my son gave me for Christmas proclaims (with a picture of Jesus on the front, hands facing up, looking towards the heavens):

    “Jesus Hates The Yankees”*

    7-7-7… The number that beats the beast!

    (And might actually be just enough to earn Hyphen a win).

    *Any inferred references to a guy named Colome are unintentional, and just sad.

  4. msfanmike on July 1st, 2010 8:44 am

    This probably won’t go as well as the last two days. Good luck, Hyphen – you’re going to need a lot of it.

    100% agree. If nothing else, keep that #3 starter slot warm until Bedard can return in full force. Please last long enough to not blow up the bullpen today. Hopefully the Hyphen can go 6 innings, but I sometimes confuse the word “hope” with other 4 letter words. Keep the ball down and work quickly son.

    Great to see Saunders in LF – going against Sabathia. His growth as a hitter will certainly have an opportunity to continue its evolution today.

  5. MrZDevotee on July 1st, 2010 8:54 am

    Y’know, a year from now, if Figgins could fathom batting 9th, I could see this lineup close to being an actual Major League competitor:

    Ichiro RF
    Ackley 2b
    Guty Cf
    Branyan 1b
    Bradley DH
    Saunders LF
    (real catcher)
    Wilson(s) SS
    Figgins 3b

    That’s seriously not a bad looking lineup, if hell or highwater left us with another year of Lee, and gave us a rotation of:

    Lee
    King
    Fister
    Vargas
    Pineda

    (I’m still suffering the dimentia of the idea of getting Bedard a few solid starts before the deadline, and offering HIM (not Lee) up as a fresh #1 starter to a contender, for a catcher, then keeping Lee.)

  6. MsofEnchantment on July 1st, 2010 8:56 am

    It’s kind of strange to have a lineup that stays the same (less a day off here and there) game after game. I was just getting used to all of Wak’s peculiar platoons and belief system batting orders. If for nothing else, the consistency seems to be paying off for some of the younger guys – especially Saunders.

  7. MrZDevotee on July 1st, 2010 9:03 am

    Of all the things the M’s have handled questionably this year, I think they’re handling of Saunders deserves minor praise…

    Fans of his have lobbied for moving him up in the order, but the M’s have basically let him learn to hit major league pitchers in the lowest pressure position in the order, at his own pace… And his multiple homer game last night (at Yankee Stadium, no less) showed us a young batter with some emerging poise, and patience, making good contact (that 2nd shot wasn’t a “power” shot, per se, but just a really good swing to contact, that just happened to end up in the 2nd deck)…

    He’s becoming a pleasant surprise. And I’m glad he got a chance to play (nearly) everyday, despite his early struggles in Tacoma this season.

    (Plus, it was fun to watch that “condor stretch” catch of the line drive that would have easily gone over Bradley’s head last night.)

  8. robbbbbb on July 1st, 2010 9:16 am

    Saunders has the skills to be a league-average hitter. Couple that with his plus defense in left field, and you’ve got a damn fine player. I’m all in favor of leaving him in the 9 spot all year if that’s what keeps him comfortable, but sooner or later the M’s are going to have to move him up in the order. If that doesn’t come until next year, however, it’s not a big deal.

  9. HititHere on July 1st, 2010 9:22 am

    I think Saunders has the potential to be above average, not just league average. It’s routinely been said that he has 20-25 HR power (anybody else see that 440 foot shot off an inside fastball last week?), and he has good speed.

    If he can cut his K’s down a little and hit .270, he’ll be well above a league-average hitter.

    His D is plus, too.

  10. robbbbbb on July 1st, 2010 9:25 am

    I wouldn’t count on that. Saunders has always been a high-strikeout guy. Throughout his minor league career he’s struck out in 1/4 to 1/3 of his plate appearances. That’s not going to magically go away. Yeah, he might make some improvements and cut it down to 1/5 or so, which would help a lot. I don’t think it’s something we should count on.

    However, his speed does help to offset that some. He’s generally run a pretty good BABIP, and I’d expect that to continue.

  11. gwangung on July 1st, 2010 9:29 am

    I wouldn’t count on that. Saunders has always been a high-strikeout guy. Throughout his minor league career he’s struck out in 1/4 to 1/3 of his plate appearances. That’s not going to magically go away. Yeah, he might make some improvements and cut it down to 1/5 or so, which would help a lot. I don’t think it’s something we should count on.

    If it comes with a decent walk rate and OBP, I’m not that worried. Sorry, I’m just not.

  12. skjes on July 1st, 2010 9:31 am

    The most important part of today’s game is reminding fans what our expectations should really be this year. The last few Felix/Lee starts have been more bittersweet because they’ve been so damned good. Hyphen needs to give us a cold shower.

  13. robbbbbb on July 1st, 2010 9:37 am

    If it comes with a decent walk rate and OBP, I’m not that worried. Sorry, I’m just not.

    I’m not that worried about it, either. He has shown a pretty good walk rate in his minor-league numbers, and it’s not half-bad this year. His BB rate was terrible last year, but that was his first shot at MLB pitching.

    I’m just saying that the high K rate is going to limit what we can expect of him. Just like with Jay Buhner or Mike Cameron, that’ll keep his BA low. If he hits for enough power and draws enough walks, yeah, that’ll help him compensate.

    But with a K rate of 25-30%, which we should expect from Saunders, he’s going to have to hit 20 HR/yr and run a 10% BB rate to be a league-average hitter. And he’s also going to have stretches where he looks absolutely terrible.

  14. msfanmike on July 1st, 2010 9:53 am

    No Guti today … and a LH Langerhans against Sabathia – YIKES! I just noticed Guti wasn’t in the lineup today. I swear I saw his name in there earlier … must have been out of wishful thinking or a late scratch.

    How bad is that upset stomach? I am at work – currently pretending to be listening in on a conference call – and can’t hear the radio (oh the humanity!). Does anybody have a health update on Guti. Thank you.

  15. Sutiyo on July 1st, 2010 9:56 am

    swear I saw his name in there earlier … must have been out of wishful thinking or a late scratch.

    I believe it was in there originally, and he was hitting above of Wilson. Looks like a late scratch.

  16. mikeym on July 1st, 2010 9:59 am

    Does anybody have a health update on Guti.

    Over in Twitterville Larry Stone reports Guti’s scratch is due to a stomach flu.

  17. msfanmike on July 1st, 2010 10:05 am
    I believe it was in there originally, and he was hitting above of Wilson. Looks like a late scratch.

    Over in Twitterville Larry Stone reports Guti’s scratch is due to a stomach flu.

    Thanks guys … enjoy the game!

  18. Paul B on July 1st, 2010 10:12 am

    Saunders is only 23, and last year was his only mostly full season at AAA. He’s had less than 400 AB’s at AAA, spread over 3 years.

    He can still get better.

  19. JerBear on July 1st, 2010 10:24 am

    Paperboy!!! That was a hell of a catch!

  20. Nate on July 1st, 2010 10:26 am

    well if RRS is going to go CG, he’s going to have to get that Pitch count down a little. on pace for

    207 pitches.

    CC got through the first on 7 pitches. drat.

  21. joser on July 1st, 2010 10:35 am

    At least this has silenced the people who were complaining about Saunders and ready to give up on him. Temporarily, anyway. If he goes hitless for a couple of games in a row they’ll start up again.

    Adam Jones “had his chance” and “didn’t show anything.” Shin Soo Choo was “a bust.” Now Saunders. I guess it’s been so long since the M’s developed even a merely good outfielder that people have forgotten how long it can take. Or they expect them all to be like Griffey. And even Griffey wasn’t yet Griffey at the plate in his rookie season
    Griffey, 1989: .264 / .329 / .420 (.333 wOBA)
    Saunders, 2010: .217 /.272 / .462 (.316 wOBA)
    (Yeah, this technically isn’t Saunders first taste of the big leagues, but that’s not really the point. And I’m not saying Saunders has a chance to turn into Griffey; that’s not the point either.)

  22. GoldenGutz on July 1st, 2010 11:03 am

    I think it’s not ridiculous to think Saunders could be a guy to hit 25 HR’s and a 10% BB% and 20% K% playing plus defense. Making him a very nice cornerstone. I personally think he could be a 20/20 guy and maybe in a big year 30/30.

  23. tubbabubba22 on July 1st, 2010 11:05 am

    Milton really seems to be turning it around. He is on a tear right now.

    Secondly, I know I will be heavily flamed for this, but I am almost not ready to sell everything already either.

    I know mathematics would tell me our chances of getting back in this thing are incredibly small, we are finally playing the way we should have from the beginning of the year. Milton and Figgins are starting to hit, we replaced Kotchman with branyon (huge upgrade), Lee and Hernandez are healthy and dominating, Vargas has been an amazing surprise, and Bedard is coming back soon.

    I understand that we NEED to sell players to have a better chance next year. But at the same time, it would just be sad to see us give up now right during the time that everyone is starting to turn it around and our lineup is looking better and better each day.

    Ugh, i wish we had not dug such a huge hole

  24. MrZDevotee on July 1st, 2010 11:08 am

    Joser–
    I know it’s dangerous to say here, but I was someone who didnt’ mind losing Jones to get Bedard… I wasn’t one who thought he “didn’t show anything”, but more, I didn’t see him being much above average… Which Bedard was. The Jones outrage really picked up steam when we didn’t end up getting out of Bedard what we expected– we all thought he was a Cliff Lee when we first got him.

    If he had been, I don’t think the Adam Jones fervor would have been as strong.

    As it is:

    2010 stats

    Adam Jones– 13 HR, 36 RBI, .733 OPS, in 307 at bats…

    Michael Saunders– 7 HR, 20 RBI, .734 OPS, in 106 at bats

    So, we have our Adam Jones AND our Erik Bedard, both.

  25. Paul B on July 1st, 2010 11:16 am

    Of course, there were 4 other players included with Jones in that trade.

    I still call Bedard “old 5 for 1″, even though he was signed as a free agent this year.

  26. Hud67 on July 1st, 2010 11:21 am

    Did Saunders get injured or sat on the bench?

  27. Paul B on July 1st, 2010 11:22 am

    Langerhans is playing for Guti, who is out sick. Saunders is playing.

  28. MrZDevotee on July 1st, 2010 11:22 am

    Paul B–
    Yeah, old 5-for-1…

    “5″ innings an outing, for roughly “1″ year’s worth of accumulated starts, since the trade.

    *laugh*

    I guess I left out, hindsight being what it is, I wouldn’t want to make the trade AGAIN, but at the time I thought it was a chance worth taking.

  29. GoldenGutz on July 1st, 2010 11:23 am

    Because of GMZ I am ok with losing Jones and getting Bedard. Because we got Vargas and IMO a much better CF in Gutierrez.

  30. Paul B on July 1st, 2010 11:54 am

    Lopez walked!

  31. Paul B on July 1st, 2010 11:59 am

    Guti pinch hitting

  32. Ralph_Malph on July 1st, 2010 12:04 pm

    It’s too bad we didn’t get to see CC against Felix.

  33. MrZDevotee on July 1st, 2010 12:05 pm

    Used the lull to do some snooping over at MLB Trade Rumors, where Ken Rosenthal says the M’s are actively shopping Jose Lopez (and Chase Utley is out indefinitely, requiring surgery)…

    Along with a different tidbit about Cliff Lee hinting to folks in the clubhouse that Tuesday’s game was his last as a Mariner… Which is interesting when you consider NY media took some of Lee’s comments to be a hint that he was sticking around Seattle.

    (Oh, and there’s the media cutting to a closeup of Lee just as I type this– nice.)

  34. Kazinski on July 1st, 2010 12:07 pm

    That was much better than I expected from RRS in Yankee Stadium, 6IP, 2R, 5H, even the 3BB wasn’t too bad.

  35. joser on July 1st, 2010 12:10 pm

    And Guti back in center, with Saunders taking over LF from Langerhans (for whom Guti pinch-hit).

  36. spankystout on July 1st, 2010 12:12 pm

    Hey if the Phillies want Lopez I only ask for cheesesteaks in return.

  37. MrZDevotee on July 1st, 2010 12:15 pm

    I like that Spanky!

    How ’bout straight up?

    Lopez and some Copper River Salmon,
    for
    Chase Utley and some Cheesesteaks?

    (Not serious of course, but the name Chase Utley just sounds so good with Cheesesteaks…)

  38. msfanmike on July 1st, 2010 12:16 pm

    Used the lull to do some snooping over at MLB Trade Rumors, where Ken Rosenthal says the M’s are actively shopping Jose Lopez

    This sounds like pretty good news to me. Contemplating what we might receive in return for Lopez – does not resonate with equally “good” vibes though. Since Lopez is probably not going to be coming back next year (at GMZ’s discretion) – whatever we might be able to get for him should probably be okay.

    That was much better than I expected from RRS in Yankee Stadium, 6IP, 2R, 5H, even the 3BB wasn’t too bad.

    Good call – me too! He did his job in getting through 6 – with the game still in reach. Kind of stunning actually.

    Maybe another Ichiro bomb against Rivera to put the M’s ahead? Synonymous with lightning striking in the same place twice … but still possible thanks to the Hyphens efforts.

  39. spankystout on July 1st, 2010 12:16 pm

    Yeah that Copper River Salmon is some pricey stuff. We should get PTBNL for that high-quality Salmon.

  40. MrZDevotee on July 1st, 2010 12:17 pm

    C’mon, Condor… Do us right!

  41. MrZDevotee on July 1st, 2010 12:19 pm

    Here we go…

    Figgins walk… Branyan tater. Boom.

  42. Ralph_Malph on July 1st, 2010 12:22 pm

    Before you get too excited about Lopez getting traded, ponder the question of whether that would mean Tui starting at 3B.

    Or would it mean Josh Wilson, starting 3B?

  43. MrZDevotee on July 1st, 2010 12:22 pm

    (edit)
    * erase… erase*

    Here we go…

    Figgins pop-up… Branyan tater. Boom.

  44. msfanmike on July 1st, 2010 12:25 pm

    BRANYAN! – atta boy!!!

  45. spankystout on July 1st, 2010 12:25 pm

    Come on Branyan, anything but a K, but I prefer a hit.

  46. MrZDevotee on July 1st, 2010 12:25 pm

    Nice job, Russ!!!

  47. Paul B on July 1st, 2010 12:25 pm

    Tie game.

  48. Diehard on July 1st, 2010 12:26 pm

    YES!!!!! Branyan is my gay man crush!!

  49. Paul B on July 1st, 2010 12:26 pm

    Posada with a passed ball. It’s nice when it bites the other team for a change.

  50. robbbbbb on July 1st, 2010 12:27 pm

    Before you get too excited about Lopez getting traded, ponder the question of whether that would mean Tui starting at 3B.

    Or would it mean Josh Wilson, starting 3B?

    Short term? Probably. Next year? There’s a decent chance that Ackley’s ready at 2B and Figgins slides over to 3B.

  51. darthbuhner on July 1st, 2010 12:27 pm

    OMG – Ms baserunning this season is sub-little league quality. With white-hot Bradley on deck, seriously, WTF was that?

  52. Ralph_Malph on July 1st, 2010 12:28 pm

    C Kotchman grounds out to second.
    - End of inning.

    R. Branyan singled to shallow right, J. Bard and I. Suzuki scored, R. Branyan out at second
    - End of Inning (2 Runs, 2 Hits, 0 Errors)

  53. joser on July 1st, 2010 12:28 pm

    Man, that Branyan trade is looking good right now, isn’t it? The FO ultimately got him at the bargain price they wanted, but the losses that piled up in the meantime weren’t cheap.

  54. Paul B on July 1st, 2010 12:28 pm

    Aardsma? In the 8th? That is different.

  55. Ralph_Malph on July 1st, 2010 12:29 pm

    OMG – Ms baserunning this season is sub-little league quality. With white-hot Bradley on deck, seriously, WTF was that?

    It was Branyan trying to get in scoring position for the white-hot Bradley, with 2 outs.

  56. MrZDevotee on July 1st, 2010 12:30 pm

    Does this mean League and Aardsma have swapped roles temporarily?

  57. msfanmike on July 1st, 2010 12:30 pm

    Before you get too excited about Lopez getting traded, ponder the question of whether that would mean Tui starting at 3B.

    Thus my lack of “good vibes” at the prospect of what we might receive in return. I think everyone is on the same page with you Ralph_Malph. He doesn’t provide much while here … and he probably won’t bring much back to us. His value may be in freeing up a spot for Ackley (ultimately); but in the more near term – who knows. I don’t want to get into additional Tui debates, but that would seem to be the logical AAA fill-in until a better option (i.e. an actual player with a working glove) could be acquired.

  58. msfanmike on July 1st, 2010 12:31 pm

    Fuck you A-Rod. Asshole.

  59. MrZDevotee on July 1st, 2010 12:32 pm

    OMG – Ms baserunning this season is sub-little league quality. With white-hot Bradley on deck, seriously, WTF was that?

    And kept the throw from going home…

    (oops, my jinks means- “why yes, indeed Aardsma has taken over League’s role of offering up the straight stuff”)

  60. mlathrop3 on July 1st, 2010 12:32 pm

    Aardsma? In the 8th? That is different.

    Not that much different…

  61. joser on July 1st, 2010 12:32 pm

    Reason number whatever to hate ARod.

    Aardsma? In the 8th? That is different.

    And yet — as the ball flies out — strangely the same.

    (and mlathrop3 beat me to it)

  62. Dave Spiwak on July 1st, 2010 12:34 pm

    And that’s why Lee and Felix pitch until their arms fall off…

  63. SilverLance on July 1st, 2010 12:35 pm

    I hate Aardsma

  64. MrZDevotee on July 1st, 2010 12:35 pm

    Is it wrong to think we should trade Aardsma to a team we have trouble beating, the week before we play them? Or at least to a team we play a lot in the 2nd half?

  65. spankystout on July 1st, 2010 12:35 pm

    Ralph Malph

    I’m not being reactionary to Lopez. I’ve poured over his stats the last few days and I’m not exaggerating when I say Lopezs’ approach has worsened the past 4 years. His 60+XBH the past two years was just enough production to make him a league average hitter. He has never posted a positive RAA, and his career high wRC+ is 102. This means he is average! His o-swing% is 34. His walk rate is lower than four years ago. He has never had an OBP that was above the league average, he tied the league average once for OBP……In fairness to Lopez he is a good fielding 3B (so far), his contact% rivals Ichiro for the team lead. But he has not altered his approach at all, this sounds exactly like Yuni Betancourt.

  66. Diehard on July 1st, 2010 12:35 pm

    Another Gay Bomb for Gayrod!
    Freaking Aardsma needs to develop another pitch because everyone is sitting on that high fastball this year.

  67. spankystout on July 1st, 2010 12:39 pm

    Wow Milton going R vs R against the sandman? Interesting

  68. msfanmike on July 1st, 2010 12:40 pm

    And that’s why Lee and Felix pitch until their arms fall off…

    Exactly!

    I’m not being reactionary to Lopez. I’ve poured over his stats the last few days and I’m not exaggerating when I say Lopezs’ approach has worsened the past 4 years

    Exactly!

    Freaking Aardsma needs to develop another pitch

    Exactly!

  69. MrZDevotee on July 1st, 2010 12:40 pm

    Where’s Junior when you need him?!?!

    (Joke… Just a joke… Sorry…)

  70. robbbbbb on July 1st, 2010 12:41 pm

    Reason number whatever to hate ARod.

    Three thousand two hundred sixteen. I’ve been keeping track.

  71. msfanmike on July 1st, 2010 12:41 pm

    Good game … let’s take 3 out of 4 from them next week at Safeco.

  72. MrZDevotee on July 1st, 2010 12:43 pm

    Still give props to Branyan for the 2 runs…

    And the lesson Girardi gave Wak on proper use of a Closer… (9th inning with a lead? Maybe? And with a real closer?)

  73. joser on July 1st, 2010 12:43 pm

    To go back to my earlier point: Jones is still just 24, so it’s possible he’ll develop more power at the plate. His UZR numbers suggest he’s not as good in the field as we thought at the time, but that could still change too.

    Yes, things worked out well with both Saunders and Guti, but we don’t know what the M’s would’ve done without Bedard; given how little he ultimately gave the M’s, whatever alternative starter they found might have given more value. And that’s even before we consider the rest of the people who were given up in that trade. Not to mention with Jones established in CF the Putz trade may have netted someone as valuable as Guti, just at a different position. Who knows what the M’s would look like then? (Who knows, indeed: if Bavasi had the sense not to do the Bedard trade, he might still have the job).

    In any case, the fact remains that the M’s gave up a lot for Bedard, in a year when it was obvious to seemingly everyone other than Bavasi that they were more than a starting pitcher away from contending. I mean, consider that the M’s gave up considerably less for Cliff Lee than they did for Bedard.

    But that was not really my point. My beef was against people who claimed at the time of the trade (and this is pretty much word for word) “Jones has had his chance and showed nothing” — after less than 150 PA. Likewise there was somebody a few days ago who complained about Saunders’ rookie “streakiness” because he had “a 2-3 night then lay a goose egg” — as if that never happens to Pujols or Mauer or Ichiro. It just seems like when it comes to rookies a lot of people have unrealistic expectations and are far too quick to write them off for performances they’d tolerate in anyone they’re more familiar with.

  74. Dave Spiwak on July 1st, 2010 12:44 pm

    If we trade Lopie to the Phils can we get Dobber back?

  75. r-gordon-7 on July 1st, 2010 12:45 pm

    Good game … let’s take 3 out of 4 from them next week at Safeco.

    Yes, but won’t that require 3 CGs…?

  76. djtizzo on July 1st, 2010 12:45 pm

    Anybody know for sure if Bedard is throwin in Tacoma tonight? I can’t find any facts that tell me he is a guarantee go!

  77. MrZDevotee on July 1st, 2010 12:48 pm

    Good points Joser… And actually, who’s to say we don’t STILL get Guti, even with Jones on the roster… Adam in left, Guti in center, and Ichiro in right would have been a damn fine outfield. And a damn fine top of the order in any lineup out there.

  78. SODOMOJO360 on July 1st, 2010 12:48 pm

    Aardvark sucks!! Throw some damn breaking balls.

  79. joser on July 1st, 2010 12:50 pm

    Well, the M’s have been lucky with bullpens the past few years; sometimes regression is a bitch. (Speaking of which — hey, regression, you can show up in the positive way for Lopez and Figgins anytime now)

    Is it wrong to think we should trade Aardsma to a team we have trouble beating, the week before we play them?

    The time to trade Aardsmas was last offseason, when his value was at its maximum. And a few people suggested it. Of course that would probably leave League as the closer (assuming in that case the M’s still did the Morrow-League trade). Then again, I’m not sure they result would be all that different (in fact, given the variability of relievers, it’s quite possible League would’ve been a lights-out closer this season — especially if he wasn’t worried about his catcher dropping the best pitch in baseball)

  80. MrZDevotee on July 1st, 2010 12:54 pm

    Do you think Z learns from the last 2 years, and starts leveraging folks’ love of the fastball to unload 2nd year 94+ mph pitchers?

    I think we’re seeing with our bullpen that until folks figure out the movement of a hard throwing hurler’s fastball, he can be pretty dominant. But if he’s using it over 50% of the time, against the same opponents over and over again, his dominance has a short shelf life equal to the opponents’ learning curve.

    We should have a “buddy system” with a NL team, and trade a crop of fastballers back and forth, season to season… (Sound silly on the surface, but…??? Hmmm…)

  81. spankystout on July 1st, 2010 12:54 pm

    Thank you Joser….Gutierrez was acquired a year after Jones was traded. The only connection is Ichiro is best suited in RF and that left CF open because Jones wasn’t here. I agree Jones has a higher offensive upside than Guti and jones is younger. We also lost Sherill and Mickolio which would be better in the pen than B.Sweeney or Sean “the White flag.” That trade created so many holes they are still trying to recover that lost talent. Tillman is still a baby and has a higher upside than most of the M’s current staff. I hate Bavasi more than any player, coach or FO personnel that has preceded him.

    Jack Z if you didn’t know the Reds have Bavasi in their FO. So take advantage of a known moron and anyone willing to hire him.

  82. GoldenGutz on July 1st, 2010 6:31 pm

    Some one was brave enough to hire Bavasi?

    Ruhtards.

  83. BobbyMac on July 2nd, 2010 1:15 am

    I have a question – does anyone know what Wak was thinking when he IBB’d Cano in the 6th? (2 out, down 0-2, A-Rod on 2nd, RRS still in, Posada on deck)… was it a concession that the team can’t score 4 runs, so he figured he’d walk Posada also, and focus on Granderson? That’s how it worked out (with the “unintentional” intentional walk), but I was pretty baffled at the time. Thanks.

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