Game 84, Royals at Mariners

Dave · July 7, 2010 at 6:25 pm · Filed Under Mariners 

Fister vs Davies, 7:10 pm.

The last few times out, Fister has struggled. We knew this was coming eventually, as his skillset just doesn’t support ace-like results. But, still, could get a little positive regression from the underachievers at around the same time that the overachievers take a step backwards? I’m looking at you, Figgins and Lopez. Hit better.

Ichiro, RF
Figgins, 2B
Branyan, DH
Lopez, 3B
Gutierrez, CF
Kotchman, 1B
Saunders, LF
Johnson, C
Josh Wilson, SS

Comments

98 Responses to “Game 84, Royals at Mariners”

  1. Liam on July 7th, 2010 6:48 pm

    Is there a way on Fangraphs to check how Figgins and Lopez have been hitting month by month?

  2. joser on July 7th, 2010 6:54 pm

    Is there a way on Fangraphs to check how Figgins and Lopez have been hitting month by month?

    Yeah — click on the “splits” link towards the top (next to the “season stats” that is highlighted by default). Here’s Figgins for example.

    Can’t compare them or graph them that way, though (for a site with “graphs” right in the name there sure aren’t many graphing options)

  3. joser on July 7th, 2010 7:00 pm

    So earlier today I went to USSM and got a mostly-blank page with the message
    This website is temporarily unavailable. Please check back later.

    Unfortunately there were no suitable nodes available to serve this request.And I thought: holy crap, Cliff Lee has been traded!

    But I guess it was just a hiccup.

    In other news: did you know that Dave now has us served by nodes? It’s not just tubes anymore.

  4. Liam on July 7th, 2010 7:14 pm

    Thanks joser.

  5. juneau_fan on July 7th, 2010 7:17 pm

    The announcers are shocked that Fister has returned to earth. Ignorance is bliss.

  6. SODOMOJO360 on July 7th, 2010 7:25 pm

    Mike Wilson .289/.397/.597 with 21 HR’s this year between AA and AAA. Bring him up and plug Branyan in at first and DH Wilson. He just turned 27, when hitters come into their prime, and has got to be an improvement over Kotch in the lineup. I will sacrifice a little D at 1B and stick the Muscle there if it means I can have a guy in the lineup that can actually hit.

    Also bring up Moore so we can see what we have in him. He has been crushing AAA pitching and again has got to be better at hitting and catching than the coaches pet RoJo.

  7. henryv on July 7th, 2010 7:30 pm

    I’m really tired of watching this team make mediocre pitchers look like Cy Young winners.

    Today’s final score, 2 hours early: Royals 8, M’s 1.

    In other news, Michael Bolton is coming to Tacoma. Haven’t we suffered enough?

  8. cjones on July 7th, 2010 7:36 pm

    Last night I dreamed that I was umpiring at 1st and RoJo hit one into the corner. He rounded first and didn’t know where to go; the ball was thrown in and he was tagged out as he stood there, to end the game.
    Seriously, how sick is it that I am dreaming of this slop?

  9. EthanN on July 7th, 2010 7:37 pm

    *checks score. Sees the M’s are losing to the Kansas City freaking Royals in the second inning* Bah, humbug!

  10. SODOMOJO360 on July 7th, 2010 7:45 pm

    Ha, Kotch must have heard me trash him

  11. Lucky Number on July 7th, 2010 7:45 pm

    Kotch blast!

  12. MariLOLs on July 7th, 2010 7:47 pm

    Kotchman is only 27?!! I assumed he was in his mid-30′s because he looks it. Seriously, 27? He looks older than Wak.

  13. pgreyy on July 7th, 2010 7:51 pm

    Here’s the thing with being a Mariners fan…

    I was pretty positive about our acquisition of Casey Kotchman (and not overpaying for too many years of Russell Branyan) at the time. I’ve defended the idea of Kotchman’s glove being important when his bat deserted him for most of this year. I’ve accepted his demotion to being a defensive replacement when there was no longer any justification for keeping his dead bat in the line-up. I’ve remained quiet while others have complained (or suggested alternatives) to his having regained playing time by asking Wak for some and then hitting better than he had before (including tonight…)

    …but now, I’m trapped with the lingering thought that Casey Kotchman showing signs of being the player we thought we were getting is going to ultimately hamstring this team for the rest of this year going on to next year. Because that’s what we have…frustrating pieces of a puzzle that never seem to make it clear whether or not they fit or not.

    Be good, be bad…and we can make decisions based on either. Be inconsistent and we’re paralyzed.

    Sigh. We can’t have nice things.
    (But thanks for tying things up, Kotch!)

  14. EthanN on July 7th, 2010 7:56 pm

    Seeing Rob Johnson’s average really makes me wish we would have drafted Micah Gibbs

  15. Edgar4Hall on July 7th, 2010 7:59 pm

    So I just read Baker’s blog about yesterdays game and how the bloggers aren’t “hardcore” because we don’t support a bad product by going to every damn game. Yeah, because if another product started imploding whenever we bought it we would buy it again and again. Jesus Christ I don’t know whats worse for Mariners baseball, Baker or Rojoke. Anyone think that we could package both of them with Lee in a trade?

  16. EthanN on July 7th, 2010 7:59 pm

    @pgreyy That’s exactly why I’m so afraid of Wak’s little belief system. If someone has one good game, he suddenly thinks they’re coming out of their 70-something-game-slump. Has he never heard of the expression “every dog has its day,”? At least JZ doesn’t reward a hot streak with giant contract extensions like Bavasi would.

  17. Carson on July 7th, 2010 8:06 pm

    @Edgar4Hall – Baker is just trolling, as usual. He gets a kick out of getting people on the blogs worked up.

    Do what a lot of us have done and just ignore him. I promise you won’t miss anything if you stop visiting his blog.

  18. juneau_fan on July 7th, 2010 8:11 pm

    Is there a way to properly express how much I loathe Lopez?

    I wasn’t paying a lot of attention. Did he swing at the first pitch too?

  19. griffin on July 7th, 2010 8:11 pm

    HAHAHAHA LOPEZ!!! FIRST PITCH!
    What an at-bat.

  20. Breadbaker on July 7th, 2010 8:11 pm

    If you didn’t see that double play coming, you haven’t been paying attention. Writing Jose Lopez’s name in the fourth spot in the lineup is indefensible.

  21. SODOMOJO360 on July 7th, 2010 8:12 pm

    Time to fire Wak. Lopez is not a clean up hitter! Put Guti 3rd and Branyan 4th, anything else besides Lopez and his GDP’s!

  22. SODOMOJO360 on July 7th, 2010 8:13 pm

    Trade Lopez for a case of bats

  23. juneau_fan on July 7th, 2010 8:14 pm

    Thanks griffin. I’m resume cursing now.

  24. JR Ewing on July 7th, 2010 8:19 pm

    I always wondered what Juneau Fan looked like.

  25. juneau_fan on July 7th, 2010 8:20 pm

    These games must be boring, JR!

  26. Edgar4Hall on July 7th, 2010 8:23 pm

    Carson-
    I get what you’re saying and I usually never read him. Especially since he dodn’t vote for Edgar which is absurd for a Seattle writer. But his comments about fans was mentioned yesterday so I read it and it did feel like a slap in the face. I feel like the Times are so much better than that and if I have to read backwater bullshit in the city’s most importnat newspaper, thats messed up to me.

  27. JR Ewing on July 7th, 2010 8:26 pm

    Was that your first Rally Fries sign ?

  28. lalo on July 7th, 2010 8:32 pm

    anyone know when will be the first start of Bedard?

  29. juneau_fan on July 7th, 2010 8:32 pm

    Man, I’m not paying attention at all, JR. So the rally fries begger was from Juneau?

  30. SODOMOJO360 on July 7th, 2010 8:33 pm

    anyone know when will be the first start of Bedard?

    Never. His shoulder is sore again. At least out til after Allstar break

  31. nvn8vbryce on July 7th, 2010 8:35 pm

    I don’t know whats worse for Mariners baseball, Baker or Rojoke. Anyone think that we could package both of them with Lee in a trade?

    I wonder if Ichiro! wonders the same thing.

  32. JR Ewing on July 7th, 2010 8:36 pm

    Yep, hungry folks from Juneau made the big show tonight.

  33. Breadbaker on July 7th, 2010 8:38 pm

    Saunders played that perfectly.

  34. Carson on July 7th, 2010 8:38 pm

    Baaahahaha. Nice to see something like that happen to another team.

  35. juneau_fan on July 7th, 2010 8:39 pm

    Sure sign no one’s going to the games! I can remember when the rally fries ‘hoes came from as far away as Australia!

    Juneau! That’s three whole hours by plane!

    HAH! at Tubby Butler.

  36. Carson on July 7th, 2010 8:42 pm

    BTW – My company has 400 people going to the game tomorrow.

    Any ideas for a totally humiliating rally fries sign? I’ll do it for kicks, I guess. I figure with that many people I could make something massive.

  37. lalo on July 7th, 2010 8:42 pm

    our offense is the worst in the MLB??

  38. juneau_fan on July 7th, 2010 8:43 pm

    A shout out to USS Mariner, Carson? Calculate the statistical probability of receiving the rally fries?

  39. Carson on July 7th, 2010 8:50 pm

    If Princess Willie and Jason Kendall win an olympic gold medal in the two man bobsled…

    Uh, I can’t even think of anything to say.

  40. juneau_fan on July 7th, 2010 8:50 pm

    Now Kotchman’s just toying with us.

  41. KPS on July 7th, 2010 8:50 pm

    Kotchman!!! Sweet.

  42. nvn8vbryce on July 7th, 2010 8:51 pm

    our offense is the worst in the MLB??

    Replace offense with a fill-in-the-blank with the exceptions of our right and center fielders along with our number 1 and 2 starters and make it more accurate. Damn, this team sucks.

    Dammit Rojo and Lopez!

  43. lalo on July 7th, 2010 8:51 pm

    Kotch??

  44. EthanN on July 7th, 2010 8:51 pm

    What the hell Kotch?

  45. pgreyy on July 7th, 2010 8:53 pm

    …and a good glove at first to boot.

    If he wasn’t already a disappointment, I’d be excited about Kotchman playing every day.

  46. SODOMOJO360 on July 7th, 2010 8:54 pm

    OK, I’m sorry I doubted you Kotch, geez.

  47. juneau_fan on July 7th, 2010 8:54 pm

    To me, that 2-man bobsled story just personifies Willie’s self-view compared to how he’s evaluated by any legit sports person.

    “Yeah, yeah, and then I’ll win a gold medal…”

    Never jump off the pink pony, Willie!

    Did anyone catch the crew saying he’s only had 75 at bats this year? Jeez, the Mariners used him more than that and paid him a lot less money for the privilege.

  48. lalo on July 7th, 2010 8:59 pm

    Yuniesky takes pains to screw us every chance he gets, since that series against Oakland in which we lost Strasburg

  49. juneau_fan on July 7th, 2010 9:01 pm

    I just LOVE to see the expression on these relief pitchers’ faces after the ‘wild pitch’ goes flying by Johnson’s glove. I really thought League was going to crap the mound the other day and now Sweeney…if only I could read the thought bubble over his head.

  50. pgreyy on July 7th, 2010 9:01 pm

    I think there needs to be a middle ground between “Passed Ball” and “Wild Pitch”.

    We can call it a “Rob Johnson” if you like.

  51. Edgar4Hall on July 7th, 2010 9:02 pm

    Anyone else see that Yuni has hit for more power than both of our SS combined? Ouch. And damn Im hapy with Fister man. I really hope he can get back to dominating with bad stuff. Its great to watch. The hitters on the other team must be so mad when they get out against him and his mediocre stuff.

  52. Edgar4Hall on July 7th, 2010 9:06 pm

    I’m not watching but was that really a wild pitch or did RoJoke screw it up again?

  53. EthanN on July 7th, 2010 9:08 pm

    Josh Wilson is having a dramatic dropoff. Soon he’ll be hitting .220 with the rest of the lineup =(

  54. Carson on July 7th, 2010 9:08 pm

    Baaahahahaha! Yuni FTW!

  55. juneau_fan on July 7th, 2010 9:09 pm

    Anyone else see that Yuni has hit for more power than both of our SS combined?

    But we don’t have to look at his shitty field play anymore. Except lovely moments like this.

  56. lalo on July 7th, 2010 9:10 pm

    Our 9 million 2b again, what a shame!!

  57. marinersunbird on July 7th, 2010 9:11 pm

    On the Rojo replay, if Rojo makes a good throw, Yuni out by a yard.

  58. SODOMOJO360 on July 7th, 2010 9:13 pm

    2 times Lopez!!! 6 runners stranded. Yay!!!

  59. Edgar4Hall on July 7th, 2010 9:17 pm

    I want to make a prediction. Branyan will hit like two homers the rest of the way. not because he is a bad player or won’t hit for power but because why would anyone pitch to him with Lopez right behind him? He’s going to get the record for intentional walks this year.

  60. lalo on July 7th, 2010 9:17 pm

    Why not put Saunders in the 3rd spot and Branyan as a clean up hitter, JoLopez could be a 6 or 7 batter, cleanup hitter not!!! Is the worst cleanup hitter in the mayors!!

  61. SODOMOJO360 on July 7th, 2010 9:20 pm

    League for Morrow trade is looking badddd. Figgins signing is looking baddd. Maybe Jack Z. isn’t all what he’s talked up to be. The Putz for Guti and Vargas was nice so far but…

  62. juneau_fan on July 7th, 2010 9:20 pm

    And League’s got that same expression that Sweeney had. What can Johnson be saying? “You know Felix and Cliff love me, right?”

  63. juneau_fan on July 7th, 2010 9:24 pm

    “He couldn’t afford another walk…”

    Oh, as opposed to a three run homer?

  64. georgmi on July 7th, 2010 9:26 pm

    Man, if there were a room in my house that was under 75 degrees, I would be going to bed after that.

  65. Jim_H on July 7th, 2010 9:27 pm

    Screw Catchers, Hitters, and other prospects.. Trade Lee for a new bullpen please!

  66. CYK on July 7th, 2010 9:31 pm

    There’s not a single trustworthy arm in the entire bullpen at this time, and, yes, the Morrow for League trade is looking really bad.

  67. Edgar4Hall on July 7th, 2010 9:33 pm

    you kinda have to give League a break guys. Seriously a pitcher with nasty stuff and RoJoke? I’m amazed that he doesn’t just lob the ball up underhanded so he doesn’t have to worry about another passed ball.

  68. juneau_fan on July 7th, 2010 9:35 pm

    And Olson’s no bullpen arm.

  69. EthanN on July 7th, 2010 9:40 pm

    This is the most uninspired group of players I’ve ever seen.

    “Well we’re losing, might as well shut it down for the night to prevent injury”

  70. DMZ on July 7th, 2010 9:50 pm

    When your team’s giving up against the Royals, well… I’m not sure why you shouldn’t give up on your team.

  71. Dave Spiwak on July 7th, 2010 9:51 pm

    Can someone, anyone, a sabermatrician, perhaps, explain to me how the M’s get swept at home by KC? I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, this is a team that cannot visualize success.

  72. ivan on July 7th, 2010 9:51 pm

    Walking the first two batters and giving up a three-run dinger is about as bad as it gets.

  73. scott19 on July 7th, 2010 9:53 pm

    At this point, I almost wish Brandon Ayala League would change careers and go into MMA…

    Then, I could *almost* enjoy watching him get his butt kicked night after night. >:(

  74. scott19 on July 7th, 2010 9:56 pm

    Can someone, anyone, a sabermatrician, perhaps, explain to me how the M’s get swept at home by KC? I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, this is a team that cannot visualize success.

    Because, instead of “success,” they can only visualize suck.

  75. Dave Spiwak on July 7th, 2010 9:56 pm

    Colorado scored nine in the ninth last night. I guess there’s always hope. After all, the Dutch are in the semifinals of the World Cup.

  76. Dave Spiwak on July 7th, 2010 9:58 pm

    Sorry I meant finals…if anybody is still out there…

  77. nvn8vbryce on July 7th, 2010 9:58 pm

    Walking the first two batters and giving up a three-run dinger having RoJo on a roster is about as bad as it gets.

  78. scott19 on July 7th, 2010 10:00 pm

    you kinda have to give League a break guys.

    No, I don’t, really. I can’t even remember Ayala, Slocumb, or Mesa blowing this many holds or saves in a row.

    Seriously a pitcher with nasty stuff and RoJoke?

    Okay, fair enough point there. But then again, I guess Wak doesn’t understand the concept of a late-game defensive change at the catching position.

  79. samregens on July 7th, 2010 10:00 pm

    The bullpen has really killed us this year. And there’s no injury excuse since Lowe was just as bad as the others before he got hurt and left. Need a clean slate.
    And freaking Figgins and Lopez. And Kotchman except for today.

    These bums have really killed our chances to compete this year that the other players have been working hard to create.

  80. scott19 on July 7th, 2010 10:01 pm

    After all, the Dutch are in the semifinals of the World Cup.

    Yes…and Go Orange!!!

  81. EthanN on July 7th, 2010 10:02 pm

    Branyan will hit a home run if Chone doesn’t #$%$ it up by grounding into a double play

  82. SODOMOJO360 on July 7th, 2010 10:03 pm

    Figgy for the GDP

  83. samregens on July 7th, 2010 10:03 pm

    As someone pointed out above, is there any possibility that League isn’t throwing his most nasty pitch because Rob Johnson can’t freaking catch it? This is really fucked up.

  84. samregens on July 7th, 2010 10:06 pm

    Wow, Figgins didn’t hit into another rally kiling double play, that’s new. He made an out, of course, but no GIDP. Wow.

  85. EthanN on July 7th, 2010 10:07 pm

    Amazing, Figgins is now on the M’s and I still wish the guy would just go away. Think the Reds will trade Brandon Phillips?

  86. scott19 on July 7th, 2010 10:07 pm

    Right now, I’m hoping that if the Brewers wind up being a player in the Cliff Lee sweepstakes, they’ll throw in Trevor Hoffman as part of the deal…

    I know he might be a hundred years old these days, but he isn’t doing anything but set-up work for Milwaukee at the moment — and he could probably still show these schmucks in our sorry bullpen a thing or two about pitching in tight situations.

  87. Edgar4Hall on July 7th, 2010 10:30 pm

    Scott19 you have a short memory. Then again, that must be required for all of us to be fans of this franchise. I still remember how Mesa blew our first game in Safeco and everyone thought “of course.” Yeah League and AArdsma have done horrible this year but at least its in a season that was lost no matter what they did. With those bastards that you mentioned we had multiple HOFers on our team and had a chance to be special and they imploded it for us.
    But yeah, I hate this team that we have right now.

  88. EthanN on July 7th, 2010 10:53 pm

    So do we really need to start rebuilding amidst a rebuilding process? Won’t that create some sort of black hole in the universe?

  89. GoMariners on July 7th, 2010 11:03 pm

    Could we start having daily Tacoma Rainiers game threads here? The Rainiers just finished a four-game sweep on the road of the Angels’ AAA affiliate Salt Lake Bees and they have gained a 6-game separation in first place of their division. It feels so good. I just salivate at the thought of the Mariners gaining a six-game separation in the standings over the Angels after sweeping them. Following a pennant race in AAA is funner than following the Mariners when 16 games behind in the standings. The Rainiers have also won 8 games in a row and are now 48-38 on their season.

  90. GripS on July 7th, 2010 11:45 pm

    I’m down GoMariners. This pro team sucks.

  91. overbored on July 7th, 2010 11:54 pm

    I was there tonight (the men’s group at our church makes a point of getting to one game a year; at this rate, I figure it’ll save me some time in Purgatory). A few points that bothered me:

    1) After the Callaspo homer, the fans started making their way toward the exits. I’m sorry, but this I cannot abide. Yes, League didn’t have it tonight. Yes, our offense has been bad. It’s only a two-run deficit. The way I was raised as a baseball fan, you never, ever leave a game early. This is baseball; anything can (and usually does) happen.

    The faith has been beaten out of this fanbase.

    2) After the homer, fans were booing (understandably), but the boos got louder as League walked off the field. I certainly support the right of fans to voice their displeasure, but I can’t join them; I think it’s counterproductive. Pitchers, especially relievers, are trained to have a short memory–for things that happen on the mound. Everything else, however…they’re still human beings.

    The fact that he gave up a 3-run, game-losing homer won’t stick with Brandon. The fact that he got booed might. (Again, fans can do what they want; I just don’t think booing your own player does anything positive.)

    End ramble. Just had to get it off my chest; I started brewing this comment after the Olson homer.

  92. juneau_fan on July 8th, 2010 12:09 am

    The faith has been beaten out of this fanbase.

    At least you were with the right group tonight, overbored. Perhaps that’s why you could keep a level head. :D

    But I agree. I can’t bring myself to boo our own players.

  93. Breadbaker on July 8th, 2010 12:29 am

    I can’t boo our own players (exception for Bobby Ayala, of course). But the fans were certainly justified with League tonight. He did nothing right. Of course, not scoring with runners on second and third and one out, the offense wasn’t exactly clicking either. I feel so much like 1985 or so, when the only reason to go to the game or watch or listen to a game was the pure love of baseball. And for that, one can certainly follow the Rainiers or the Aquasox instead.

  94. Rod O. on July 8th, 2010 1:35 am

    Went over each box score this year with League pitching and got these #’s. Hope I didn’t mess up it’s 1am :) (posted it on another site also but makes more sense to post it here)
    League’s #’s with Rob Johnson Catching and with out.
    IP H R ER BB SO HR
    With 24 1/3IP 26H 21R 16ER 11BB 12SO 5HR
    w/o 18 2/3IP 13H 5R 3ER 2BB 20SO 1HR

    Not that you needed more reason to hate Rob Johnson… but I don’t think it’s all Brandon’s fault.

  95. samregens on July 8th, 2010 3:57 am

    The fact that he gave up a 3-run, game-losing homer won’t stick with Brandon.

    Maybe it should stick with him more, so that he would start throwing his best pitch more often, and generally be mixing up his pitch selection more. (Although this could be fucking Rob Johnson’s fault, as pointed out very nicely above!)

    His best pitch will also get hit once in a while, even though some people have shown it was the most unhittable pitch in the majors last year, but he gots to be mixing it in more.

    I don’t blame the fans for booing. Although they could also be booing Figgins and Lopez more for hitting so lousily this year.
    But yeah, I agree of course that booing doesn’t help realistically, but the fans need to express themselves somehow.

  96. samregens on July 8th, 2010 4:13 am

    And I got a question about Casey Kotchman. If the M’s getting the Muscle fired him up and he finally starts hitting now that he’s in danger of losing (lost) his starting job, what the heck was he doing before?

  97. Paul B on July 8th, 2010 9:26 am

    what the heck was he doing before?

    Sucking.

    Sucking badly.

    Or, how about, maybe he was taking hitting lessons from Lopez?

  98. scott19 on July 8th, 2010 10:29 am

    Given the track record of utter disaster with the League-RoJo battery this year, I honestly don’t know why Wak does not put Bard into the game when League comes in. At least maybe he wouldn’t be afraid to throw his supposedly much-vaunted splitter if Bard was behind the plate…plus, it’s not as if Wak would be losing a ton of offense with that switch.

    On a related note, Softy Mahler on KJR is just absolutely ripping these guys a new one at the moment — and no one seems to be safe from his wrath.

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