Game 91, Mariners at Angels

Dave · July 17, 2010 at 2:06 pm · Filed Under Mariners 

Rowland-Smith vs Saunders, 6:05 pm.

Two not-good lefties face off. The only three interesting hitters on this team right now are left-handed (or, in Smoak’s case, he’s a switch hitter who is much better from the LH side). You probably have something else more interesting to do.

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110 Responses to “Game 91, Mariners at Angels”

  1. Transient Gadfly on July 17th, 2010 2:38 pm

    You probably have something else more interesting to do.

    Nope. Not really.

  2. Liam on July 17th, 2010 2:49 pm

    Fun Fact:

    The 2010 Mariners currently have the same record the 2008 team had through 90 games. (35-55)

  3. spankystout on July 17th, 2010 3:14 pm

    Thanks for the optimistic forecast Liam! :)

  4. scott19 on July 17th, 2010 3:17 pm

    Gee, it’s always sooooo much fun thinking about that depressing team, Liam!

  5. greentunic on July 17th, 2010 3:17 pm

    That means we get another Ackley next year right…? h

  6. TomTuttle on July 17th, 2010 3:20 pm

    The Orioles are screwing us out of Anthony Rendon!!

    What is with these Beltway teams screwing us out of draft picks!?!?!

  7. scott19 on July 17th, 2010 3:33 pm

    What is with these Beltway teams screwing us out of draft picks!?!?!

    Well, both of them were drawing straws for a while to see how suckworthy they could possibly become…though it looks like the Nats may finally be starting to turn the corner a bit.

    As for the O’s, however, there seems to be little hope — save for Peter Angelos somehow turning up in Ashley Dupre’s blackbook and having to sell the team in disgrace to somebody who actually cares about them.

  8. Sports on a Schtick on July 17th, 2010 3:37 pm

    As Larry Stone points out… Langerhans lives!

  9. IwearMsHats on July 17th, 2010 3:38 pm

    That means we get another Ackley next year right…? h

    No, it means we miss out on another Strasburg.

  10. MaliceCrew on July 17th, 2010 3:42 pm

    The Orioles are screwing us out of Anthony Rendon!!

    Rendon is hurt bad right now and needs surgery and maybe he won’t go #1 and we still have a chance:

    Rice junior third baseman Anthony Rendon, the 2010 Howser Trophy recipient as the nation’s best collegiate baseball player, suffered a severe injury to his right ankle Wednesday while playing for Team USA in Cary, N.C.
    It’s the same ankle that sidelined Rendon, who is considered by many scouting services as the No. 1 overall pick in the 2011 MLB draft, when he tore ligaments in last year’s NCAA super regionals. This time, after his right foot was apparently caught underneath him during a rundown against South Korea, there are reportedly multiple fractures in his ankle and foot. His ankle is believed to be dislocated as well.

  11. Westside guy on July 17th, 2010 3:55 pm

    Fun Fact:

    You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

  12. dingla on July 17th, 2010 4:25 pm

    that Ichiro, so robotic, so uninteresting, so consistent. lol

  13. EthanN on July 17th, 2010 4:38 pm

    For the record I think Rob Johnson is an interesting hitter. You never know how he’ll screw up next

  14. scott19 on July 17th, 2010 4:50 pm

    For the record I think Rob Johnson is an interesting hitter.

    Well, it is interesting to see how many different ways he can incite the M’s fan base to commit mass suicide every time he comes up to, uh, “hit.”

  15. flashbeak on July 17th, 2010 5:36 pm

    Lineup (yes, Langerhans)

    RF Ichiro
    2B Chone Figgins
    CF Franklin Gutierrez
    3B Jose Lopez
    DH Milton Bradley
    1B Justin Smoak
    LF Ryan Langerhans
    C Josh Bard
    SS Jack Wilson

  16. terry on July 17th, 2010 5:38 pm

    I’m going to count the forks and spoons in my silverware drawer to make sure there are even numbers of each.

    I chose this over watching the Ms.

  17. flashbeak on July 17th, 2010 5:40 pm

    The Orioles are screwing us out of Anthony Rendon!!

    It wouldn’t be horrible to have to settle for Gerrit Cole, though.

  18. greentunic on July 17th, 2010 5:45 pm

    Ron Farely (sp) on tv! How about that!

  19. scott19 on July 17th, 2010 5:47 pm

    I’m going to count the forks and spoons in my silverware drawer to make sure there are even numbers of each.

    I chose this over watching the Ms.

    Aw, c’mon, Terry…don’t ya have any freshly-painted items around the house you can watch dry instead? :)

  20. Leroy Stanton on July 17th, 2010 5:59 pm

    Ron Farely (sp) on tv! How about that!

    It’s spelled Fairly. Just remember his name is an overstatement and you’ll never misspell it again.

  21. pgreyy on July 17th, 2010 6:16 pm

    A good play by Lopez there.

    He has that Betancourt-esque tendency to do that just often enough to make you think he’s always capable of that which, of course, increases your disappointment every time he proves that he really isn’t…

  22. greentunic on July 17th, 2010 6:19 pm

    Why is the gamecast on MLB.com not working??

  23. msfanmike on July 17th, 2010 6:24 pm

    Smoak absolutely destroyed that pitch.

    That ball has been warped.

  24. msfanmike on July 17th, 2010 6:26 pm

    Good “hold” by the 3B coach – not sending Smoak.

    2 outs – so what?

  25. lalo on July 17th, 2010 6:28 pm

    Why is the gamecast on MLB.com not working??

    I don´t know but you can see it on ESPN too, but not with the same quality

  26. greentunic on July 17th, 2010 6:29 pm

    oh, yeah forgot! Thanks Ialo or lalo haha

  27. msfanmike on July 17th, 2010 6:29 pm

    Our own buffoonery has finally paid off. The Angels couldn’t execute – or simply couldn’t believe – that they caught another runner leaning.

    WTF? Get a read on the pitcher.

    He is the one with the ball.

  28. greentunic on July 17th, 2010 6:37 pm

    Hey, does anyone know if there is a book on MLB scouting? Not like a scouting notebook, I mean a book ABOUT the world of scouting players, scouting reports, and behind-the-scenes insight on how scouts find and rate players and work with management?

    I think it would be an intersting read and there HAS to be some literature on it somewhere.

  29. Sports on a Schtick on July 17th, 2010 6:41 pm

    Please cut RRS after the game. He’s so terrible. And damn it Smoak have better hands.

  30. lalo on July 17th, 2010 6:50 pm

    is the worst pitching duel I’ve seen in a long time, both pitchers are terrible

  31. SonOfZavaras on July 17th, 2010 6:53 pm

    DAMN it. If I’m his skipper, I have some choice words for Jack Wilson right about now. That’s just an idiot attempt- the ball wasn’t even hit that hard.

    Reggie Willits doesn’t have the strongest arm, but even Johnny Damon or Luis Polonia-type arms make that peg.

    You don’t try that “surprise the outfielder” (bleep) when down by three and you yourself don’t have world-class speed.

  32. samregens on July 17th, 2010 6:57 pm

    The ineptitude of the Mariners is staggering. If I was Ichiro (the only world class player left asides possibly Felix now that Cliff Lee is gone) this would pretty depressing.

    He gets a nice hit on an 0-2 count to what should be a building comeback by the Mariners. Then Jack Wilson get erased on a moronic baserunning blunder or another idiot call from the worthless 3rd base coach, and then Figgins hits into another GIDP.

    This is getting real pathetic. Who are these fuckers? (except for Ichiro, Guti and Smoak).

  33. kyoko on July 17th, 2010 6:57 pm

    Has figgins ground into like 50 double plays against the Angels this year or is it just me?

  34. Paul L on July 17th, 2010 6:58 pm

    RRS makes me sad.

  35. lalo on July 17th, 2010 7:00 pm

    Hyphen is awful…

  36. SonOfZavaras on July 17th, 2010 7:02 pm

    The Hyphen is getting bashed into a slash mark.

    Just about every Angel hitter is dialed in and timing him perfectly.

    I think today we’re seeing the end of Rowland-Smith’s starting career in a great big fire-bomb.

  37. samregens on July 17th, 2010 7:02 pm

    I think we’ve seen enough from RRS. Even if he gets DFA’d no other team should be dumb or desperate enough to pick him up, and then he can try to figure things out in Tacoma.

  38. SonOfZavaras on July 17th, 2010 7:03 pm

    My best guess: Chris Seddon takes RRS’ next turn in the rotation.

    Orrrrr….Michael Pineda gets called up. I hope not, I’m willing to wait until September for that…but who knows, they COULD decide on that.

  39. Westside guy on July 17th, 2010 7:08 pm

    Man, even the TV announcers – who are Mariners employees – feel free to comment on the crap baserunning by the M’s.

    This is such an obvious and repeating problem that I really don’t get why Wak isn’t dealing with this. I suppose it could be our players, but so many of our guys have made stupid baserunning blunders that I suspect it’s the fault of our coaching staff.

  40. Sports on a Schtick on July 17th, 2010 7:09 pm

    Another hit by Smoak. He hits the ball as hard as a Mariner has since… Buhner?

  41. SonOfZavaras on July 17th, 2010 7:11 pm

    Langerhans just got the most embarrassing fielder’s choice of his life.

    I can just hear Pete Incaviglia somewhere going “Boy, you really hit the (bleep) out of THAT one…”

  42. Sports on a Schtick on July 17th, 2010 7:12 pm

    Whoops my bad. Branyan tattoos baseballs. Nice to see the M’s tag some bad pitching for once.

  43. firova2 on July 17th, 2010 7:15 pm

    That $5 million owed Jack Wilson next year is not looking like a great investment. He’s just been awful. Just tonight we’ve had a baserunning blunder, a throwing error, and a GIDP. The game isn’t even half done.

  44. SonOfZavaras on July 17th, 2010 7:18 pm

    I can just hear Pete Incaviglia Vuckovich somewhere going “Boy, you really hit the (bleep) out of THAT one…”

  45. msfanmike on July 17th, 2010 7:19 pm

    Hey, does anyone know if there is a book on MLB scouting? Not like a scouting notebook, I mean a book ABOUT the world of scouting players,

    @Greentunic: See if you can find a book entitled “Baseball Uncensored … A Scouts View” It was written by Jonathan Story. He wrote it in 2000. At last check, Jonathan was scouting for he White Sox in the AA Southern League. Very interesting and insightful read. I think Story has probably moved on to another organization by now (I heard Astro’s maybe). Scouts tend to move around. Story is about 45 years’ish old.

    There is also the old time classic “Dollar Sign on the Muscle” … it’s a cradle to grave book on the Scouting industry – as well as the value of the “good face.” If you can’t find Story’s book -contact the Editors and ask if you can have my contact information. They can release it to you – if you are so inclined. I still have my copy of it and you can borrow it. It’s that good!

  46. msfanmike on July 17th, 2010 7:21 pm

    How bad is Jack Wilson?

    He buried a side-arm throw in the dirt on a very executable DP – which cost us a run. He got thrown out at 3B on a single by Ichiro – that cost us a run and maybe cost us an out … and he hit into a double play.

    Prediction: He will be getting a “rest” tomorrow.

    Also RRS: At least you can count on him. He is consistent.

  47. firova2 on July 17th, 2010 7:21 pm

    Waivers predictions:
    Jack Wilson
    Milton Bradley
    Casey Kotchman
    Jose Lopez
    Josh Bard
    Ryan Rowland-Smith
    The Bullpen

    maybe:
    Chone Figgins
    Russell Branyan

    Hope and pray:
    Rob Johnson

  48. msfanmike on July 17th, 2010 7:23 pm

    I am using the word “us” too much. I think I am taking this stuff way too personally.

    Time for a Cialis ….. HONEY!

  49. SODOMOJO360 on July 17th, 2010 7:25 pm

    Why is the gamecast on MLB.com not working??
    I don´t know but you can see it on ESPN too, but not with the same quality

    I prefer cbs.sportsline.com

  50. firova2 on July 17th, 2010 7:26 pm

    I mean, seriously, outside of Ichrio, Gutierrez, Hernandez, Smoak, Saunders, Vargas, maybe and maybe Fister, would it break anyone’s heart to see the entire remainder of the roster jettisoned? That would never happen, but I wouldn’t miss any of them.

    I’ve held out hope for Chone Figgins all year, but it is the last half of July, for crying out loud. He’s been terrible in every way.

  51. lalo on July 17th, 2010 7:26 pm

    Waivers predictions:
    Jack Wilson
    Milton Bradley
    Casey Kotchman
    Jose Lopez
    Josh Bard
    Ryan Rowland-Smith
    The Bullpen
    maybe:
    Chone Figgins
    Russell Branyan
    Hope and pray:
    Rob Johnson

    Why Branyan?? He is a very good player, and is our DH. And who is the substitution of Jose Lopez??

  52. SODOMOJO360 on July 17th, 2010 7:29 pm

    DAMN it. If I’m his skipper, I have some choice words for Jack Wilson right about now. That’s just an idiot attempt- the ball wasn’t even hit that hard.

    Agree. Coach might be a little too laid back.

  53. firova2 on July 17th, 2010 7:29 pm

    I’d actually like to keep Branyan around as the DH next year. He looks better than anyone else for that slot.

    Jose Lopez? I’m sure the Mariners could call up Tui to replace one of the worst hitters in baseball if someone actually claimed Jose during the waiver period (of course the M’s could pull him back). It wouldn’t be much of a downgrade at this point. Figgins will be the third baseman next year just as soon as Mr. Ackley is ready.

  54. SODOMOJO360 on July 17th, 2010 7:31 pm

    I’ve held out hope for Chone Figgins all year, but it is the last half of July, for crying out loud. He’s been terrible in every way.

    Should hit 9th next year when Ackley is here

  55. firova2 on July 17th, 2010 7:34 pm

    Waivers will really only apply to people not in club control but whose contracts obligate the team. So really the candidates are Bradley, Figgins, Jack Wilson, and perhaps Kotchman and Lopez. Wouldn’t it be great if someone picked up the tab for Bradley or Wilson for next year? It won’t happen, but they’ll be offered.

  56. firova2 on July 17th, 2010 7:36 pm

    Agreed on Figgins. He really doesn’t seem to serve a purpose hitting behind Ichiro.

  57. lalo on July 17th, 2010 7:38 pm

    Should hit 9th next year when Ackley is here

    I agree but it´s crazy pay 9 millions for a 9th hitter for the next 4 years…

  58. SODOMOJO360 on July 17th, 2010 7:41 pm

    I know and he’ll be at 3rd base. A position where power is desired.

  59. greentunic on July 17th, 2010 7:43 pm

    SMOAK! WOOOHOOO!

  60. Swungonandbelted on July 17th, 2010 7:43 pm

    Smoaked!

  61. MedicineHat on July 17th, 2010 7:43 pm

    Smoak ‘em if you got ‘em !

  62. littlesongs on July 17th, 2010 7:43 pm

    Gotta love that Smoakie!

  63. SODOMOJO360 on July 17th, 2010 7:44 pm

    SMOAKEYYY

  64. lalo on July 17th, 2010 7:44 pm

    Now, Smoak looks like Mark Teixeira…

  65. Carson on July 17th, 2010 7:44 pm

    SMOAK BOMB

  66. Diehard on July 17th, 2010 7:45 pm

    Man having a young talent like Smoak makes this team a little less painful to watch.

  67. SonOfZavaras on July 17th, 2010 7:45 pm

    Langerhans got hosed. But it’s gratifying to see this kind of night from Smoaky.

  68. Grayfox3d on July 17th, 2010 7:46 pm

    The Lee for Smoak deal is starting to pay off early! makes me excited.

  69. lalo on July 17th, 2010 7:47 pm

    he is bad with the right side?? really??

  70. firova2 on July 17th, 2010 7:48 pm

    This night is for all the idiots angry at Z for letting Lee go for a “.209 hitter.”

  71. greentunic on July 17th, 2010 7:52 pm

    Ackley having a nice day too

  72. lalo on July 17th, 2010 7:52 pm

    This night is for all the idiots angry at Z for letting Lee go for a “.209 hitter.”

    and for the Jesus Montero lovers too…

  73. Breadbaker on July 17th, 2010 7:58 pm

    Also the “he’s trying too hard, sit him down” folks (that means you, Ron Fairly).

  74. Diehard on July 17th, 2010 8:00 pm

    Whoa Bard ties this one up! woot!

  75. Diehard on July 17th, 2010 8:01 pm

    This night is for all the idiots angry at Z for letting Lee go for a “.209 hitter.”

    Anyone who said that should be shot.

  76. firova2 on July 17th, 2010 8:02 pm

    Don’t go near the Times blogs. I shouldn’t.

  77. Westside guy on July 17th, 2010 8:03 pm

    Man, I’m still steamed at Z trading Lee for some slap hitter that can only hit from one side.

  78. egreenlaw9 on July 17th, 2010 8:03 pm

    Don’t go near the Times blogs. I shouldn’t.

    I got banned from there for anti-Baker stuff a long time ago :)

  79. Westside guy on July 17th, 2010 8:06 pm

    More seriously… I get really annoyed whenever someone says “he’s only a triple away from the cycle” – as if hitting a triple was trivial.

  80. egreenlaw9 on July 17th, 2010 8:11 pm

    More seriously… I get really annoyed whenever someone says “he’s only a triple away from the cycle” – as if hitting a triple was trivial.

    True – but it makes it something fun to watch for.

    Good trivia question…

    Sans google/wiki… There have been 289 instances of players hitting for the cycle. How many players have done it TWICE?

  81. greentunic on July 17th, 2010 8:17 pm

    i get annoyed when people put so much importance on the random oddity of the cycle. 10 bases in a game is just fine. I don’t care if its with two doubles or a triple + single.

  82. egreenlaw9 on July 17th, 2010 8:21 pm

    greentunic… 10 bases.

    I like that. Not sure what the threshold should/would be… but what instances of total bases in a game outweighs the ‘special’ occurrence of the cycle?

    Cammie or Boonie’s 4 homers in a game has to be close… but I’m sure there’s a few that top it.

    I say the threshold should be 16 total bases. Make it somewhat on par with a perfect game. What do you think?

  83. pdxMsfan on July 17th, 2010 8:22 pm

    Lopez!?! Two opposite field doubles. Where has that been?

  84. Marinersmanjk on July 17th, 2010 8:25 pm

    I got banned from there for anti-Baker stuff a long time ago

    Lol that really made my day.

  85. Marinersmanjk on July 17th, 2010 8:27 pm

    Cammie or Boonie’s 4 homers in a game has to be close… but I’m sure there’s a few that top it.

    I don’t think Boonie ever hit 4 homers in a game. I could be wrong though…

  86. egreenlaw9 on July 17th, 2010 8:36 pm

    I don’t think Boonie ever hit 4 homers in a game. I could be wrong though…

    You’re totally right. I was lumping him in with Cammy’s 4 homer game and them going back-back twice in the same game.

    Two guys going 4 homer AND back-back four times would have been… Wow. Just… WOW.

  87. Grayfox3d on July 17th, 2010 8:40 pm

    so Wak… why not try for the tie…

  88. pgreyy on July 17th, 2010 8:40 pm

    Not pinch hitting for Jack Wilson, huh?

  89. Marinersmanjk on July 17th, 2010 8:41 pm

    Sweet double play right there. I know people on here say bunting is stupid, but really. that would have made it so we would had a runner at least on second with Ichiro up.

  90. lalo on July 17th, 2010 8:44 pm

    I hate you, Jack Wilson, I prefer Yuni or Josh

  91. naviomelo on July 17th, 2010 8:46 pm

    Sweet double play right there. I know people on here say bunting is stupid, but really. that would have made it so we would had a runner at least on second with Ichiro up.

    Nobody here says bunting is stupid. What we say is that there are very few times when it makes sense. Generally, it’s not smart to play for a tie when you are on the road. A team with a runner on first with nobody out can expect to score 43.7% of the time. A team with a runner on second and one out can expect to score 40.6% of the time. So, no, in this scenario, even if you’re only interested in one run, it doesn’t make any sense.

  92. egreenlaw9 on July 17th, 2010 8:50 pm

    Trivia answer… 28! guys have done it twice…

    and two guys have done it thrice! :)

    Babe Herman in 1933 for the Cubs (third time).

    and

    Bob Muesel in 1928 for the Yankees (third time).

  93. Marinersmanjk on July 17th, 2010 8:55 pm

    Nobody here says bunting is stupid. What we say is that there are very few times when it makes sense. Generally, it’s not smart to play for a tie when you are on the road. A team with a runner on first with nobody out can expect to score 43.7% of the time. A team with a runner on second and one out can expect to score 40.6% of the time. So, no, in this scenario, even if you’re only interested in one run, it doesn’t make any sense.

    Yeah and I completely agree with that, but when we watch our Mariners play, our offense is so minimal that bunting is almost the smart choice as we ground into a double play almost every. Maybe I’m just venting and thinking about what could’ve been, but on the bright side we look like we’re making a serious run at the Orioles.

  94. IwearMsHats on July 17th, 2010 9:08 pm

    2 doubles for Ackley tonight so far…

  95. Nellie Fox on July 17th, 2010 9:16 pm

    Second night in row Wakamatsu opens the 9th with a left-hnded hitter against Fuentes. This is not a game manager. This is a bookkeeper in a baseball cap.

  96. Catherwood on July 17th, 2010 9:28 pm

    Thank you, egreenlaw9, for that – perhaps the fact that one of the two guys who’s done it is darn near unidentifiable (Muesel) suggests the degree of luck involved in doing it. I don’t think anyone can get lucky and hit four HR in a game, but I think an awful lot of triples come down to some freakish ricochet out there in the outfield.

  97. Rck74 on July 17th, 2010 9:49 pm

    Who cares what numbers guys put up on the minors. I couldn’t care less what Ackley does in the minors. Let’s see what he’s got at the big league level. He’s the number 2 pick! Put up or shut up!

    Smoak is not that young. He turned 23 last year. That’s not that young for a rookie. I’m tired of excuses.

  98. justcruisn on July 17th, 2010 9:58 pm

    Can we send Figgins back?

  99. naviomelo on July 17th, 2010 10:07 pm

    Who cares what numbers guys put up on the minors. I couldn’t care less what Ackley does in the minors. Let’s see what he’s got at the big league level. He’s the number 2 pick! Put up or shut up!

    A great example of how every comment is illustrative of something. As bad is this season has been, it could always be worse. We could have people like you in charge of prospect development.

  100. SonOfZavaras on July 17th, 2010 10:11 pm

    Who cares what numbers guys put up on the minors. I couldn’t care less what Ackley does in the minors. Let’s see what he’s got at the big league level. He’s the number 2 pick! Put up or shut up!

    Smoak is not that young. He turned 23 last year. That’s not that young for a rookie. I’m tired of excuses.

    And if you meant this, it makes me really, really glad you’re not the one in charge.

    You realize this is Ackley’s first full season of pro ball, right? And Smoak’s only in his second year of pro ball, and hasn’t played more than 75 games anywhere as a pro.

    You may not wanna hear this, but it’s absolutely the right move to be as patient as possible with these young guys right now. The org’s being aggressive enough as it is.

  101. naviomelo on July 17th, 2010 10:16 pm

    Yeah and I completely agree with that, but when we watch our Mariners play, our offense is so minimal that bunting is almost the smart choice as we ground into a double play almost every.

    Coming into play today, the Mariners had hit into 60 double plays, good for fifth-fewest in baseball.

  102. Breadbaker on July 17th, 2010 10:18 pm

    Coming into play today, the Mariners had hit into 60 double plays, good for fifth-fewest in baseball.

    Of course, it’s hard to hit into a double play if neither of the first two hitters up in an inning get to first.

  103. Diehard on July 17th, 2010 10:25 pm

    Figgins has been a light hitting double play machine. Ugh way bad signing.

  104. naviomelo on July 17th, 2010 10:31 pm

    Of course, it’s hard to hit into a double play if neither of the first two hitters up in an inning get to first.

    Point well taken. As a rough guide, the Mariners have 1033 total bases and 60 GIDP, good for 17.2 TB/DP. The league average team has 1237 total bases and 70 GIDP, good for 17.7 TB/DP.

    While they’re slightly below average, hitting into double plays hardly seems like a problem that uniquely plagues the Mariners.

  105. jordan on July 17th, 2010 10:48 pm

    Man, there IS a stat for everything…

  106. Ichirofan23 on July 17th, 2010 11:00 pm

    Chone is a fine signing his OBA is good, even if his BA isn’t that high.

  107. Breadbaker on July 17th, 2010 11:56 pm

    Total bases per double play isn’t a very useful stat, since it assumes that a double play can occur in every situation. You can’t get a double play after a home run, you’re really unlikely to get it after a triple and only marginally less unlikely to get it after a double. Moreover, total bases doesn’t include walks.

    The only AL team with fewer DP than the Mariners is the Rays (60 vs. 55). The Rays have 88 more walks than the Mariners. They have 65 more hits than the M’s, but 81 more XBH. They have 13 more HBP. There must be some way to figure out reached on error, but I don’t know it. In any event, the Rays are clearly good at avoiding the double play.

    Minnesota has hit into 103 DP, nearly twice the Mariners. Their total of singles and walks and HBP doesn’t come close to justifying it. They’re also a good team. Why? They have an OPS that is 113 points higher than the Mariners. They may ground into a lot of double plays, but they also hit the cover off the ball. The M’s don’t hit into a lot of double plays, but they can’t afford to hit into as many as they do.

  108. naviomelo on July 18th, 2010 2:38 am

    You’re right, Breadbaker, which is why I qualified my statement by saying it was a rough guide. If you know of any website that lists total double play opportunities I would be happy to rerun the calculations. I didn’t know of one, which is why I used total bases to approximate those situations.

    If anything, since the Mariners hit far fewer XBH than the other teams you mentioned do, the numbers would be skewed even more in favor of them being very unspectacular at hitting into double plays.

  109. Nellie Fox on July 18th, 2010 9:59 am

    How boring is an offense that reduces us to a discussion of the microanalysis of the double play. Normal teams discuss double plays in the context of their own defence.

  110. Nellie Fox on July 18th, 2010 10:22 am

    (defense)

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