Game 95, White Sox at Mariners

Dave · July 21, 2010 at 4:00 pm · Filed Under Mariners 

Hernandez vs Floyd, 7:10 pm.

Happy Felix Day.

Still no Saunders or Branyan in the line-up. Oh, and Bedard is done for the year. When the Mariners call someone day-to-day, there’s a five percent chance he’s actually okay, a 45 percent chance he really needs a DL stint, and a 50 percent chance he passed away.

Ichiro, RF
Figgins, 2B
Gutierrez, CF
Lopez, 3B
Kotchman, 1B
Smoak, DH
Langerhans, LF
Bard, C
Jack Wilson, SS

Comments

184 Responses to “Game 95, White Sox at Mariners”

  1. Jay R. on July 21st, 2010 4:13 pm

    Every time I see Lopez batting 4th another little piece of my soul shrivels into dust. And I think God kills a kitten.

  2. nvn8vbryce on July 21st, 2010 4:30 pm

    Oh, and Bedard the China doll is done for the year his career.

    R.I.P. Bedard. You should invest that money from your last contract wisely.

    Also, did anyone see the most exciting thing about this lineup? Our “professional” catcher is RIDING PINE!

  3. henryv on July 21st, 2010 4:59 pm

    Today is Felix day, Friday is Pineda day!

  4. Pilate on July 21st, 2010 5:03 pm

    From the M’s press release of 7/20: Johnson jarred his left hip while making a play on a bunted ball that had rolled foul. The discomfort eventually moved up into his back, Wakamatsu said, and he was listed as day-to-day. Meanwhile, left-hander Erik Bedard is still experiencing irritation and discomfort in his left shoulder. Dr. Lewis Yocum, who performed surgery last August, and Mariners medical director Ed Khalfayan looked at the MRI results on Tuesday and following a physical exam, are “reviewing different options” before moving forward, according to a team official.

    I don’t suppose getting any of our money back is one of the “options” being discussed.

  5. greentunic on July 21st, 2010 5:09 pm

    I remember Bedard on record saying he felt bad about not being able to pitch for the M’s much in the two years after the trade. But now he has taken 2.5 million extra without so much as a pitch. How bad does he feel? I say he signs a 5 year minimum salary deal (around 250k right) with the Mariners!! Its still a good living for nomral Americans and you probably won’t have to work at all except for the semi-annual doctor’s office visit.

  6. spankystout on July 21st, 2010 5:10 pm

    I won’t comment on the lineup and a certain player so mid80srighty can maintain healthy blood pressure………Happy Felix-no-run support day!

  7. murphy_dog on July 21st, 2010 5:13 pm

    OK, shouldn’t there be a certain amount of soreness and discomfort in every pitcher’s shoulder? Does Bedard think his shoulder is supposed to feel like it did when he was 11?

    Suck it up baby, pitch.

  8. joser on July 21st, 2010 5:17 pm

    The Mariners are not on the hook for that much money for Bedard — he has just $1.5M guaranteed, which of course is a lot here in the real world, but in MLBland where minimum wage is almost a half mill, that’s… well, that’s Bloomquist money.

    And they only have to spend $250K to buy out his option for next year. The M’s structured this contract in about as team-friendly a way as possible (per Cot’s):

    * $1M in roster bonuses: $0.25M each for 65, 90, 120, 150 days active
    * $6M in performance bonuses: $0.5M each for 14, 17, 20, 23, 26 starts; $0.5M for 75 IP; $0.6M each for 100, 125, 150, 175, 200 IP
    * 2011 option may increase based on 2010 performance

    Needless to say, I don’t think any of those are getting triggered.

    And actually that contract suggests to me he was sorry –it’s pretty likely he could’ve got more guaranteed money (and fewer contingencies) if he’d signed elsewhere, even with his history. I’m sure he’s even sorrier now, and not just because he’s not going to be cashing in on any of those bonuses. I suspect he’ll never throw a pitch as a professional again.

  9. joser on July 21st, 2010 5:25 pm

    OK, shouldn’t there be a certain amount of soreness and discomfort in every pitcher’s shoulder? Does Bedard think his shoulder is supposed to feel like it did when he was 11?

    Suck it up baby, pitch.

    I’m going to assume that was sarcasm. Because otherwise, well…

  10. spankystout on July 21st, 2010 5:25 pm

    Poor Mr. Glass, he was a really good pitcher. Maybe he can pitch for Eric Byrnes softball team now?

  11. firova2 on July 21st, 2010 5:42 pm

    Hello, Steve Kelley, friend of Erik Bedard, writes for the Times, not here. Some of you are writing things that would have elicited a withering rebuke from DMZ back in the (recent) day. Telling Bedard to “suck it up” and pitch qualifies. I don’t understand piling on when a guy is hurt, hurt enough to have multiple surgeries. They don’t pass those out because guy is a malingerer.

  12. msb on July 21st, 2010 5:42 pm

    Good lord. This is a shoulder after two surgeries we are talking about. It has nothing to do with the patient’s fragility or manliness. Shoulders are remarkable intricate structures and surgery is a long shot for any pitcher.

  13. greentunic on July 21st, 2010 5:43 pm

    I would feel worse if he ever seemed to have a better attitude about playing. He rarely seemed to care and never talked to the fans (through the media). I’m not sure how sorry he is that he isn’t pitching. He never seemed to have a passion for it. He would always come in after 5.2 innings anyway when he pitched.

    It is sad but I’m not sure how sad it really is for him.

  14. firova2 on July 21st, 2010 5:46 pm

    greentunic, that topic has been discussed ad nauseum around here as well, and again, this is Steve Kelley’s line, so check him out.

    Maybe do a search on Bedard on this site before rehashing this stuff.

  15. Ralph_Malph on July 21st, 2010 5:47 pm

    I suspect Bedard would like to be able to pick up his children some day. Or his grandchildren. Or brush his teeth. It goes beyond being able to pitch now.

  16. msb on July 21st, 2010 5:47 pm

    He would always come in after 5.2 innings anyway when he pitched.

    possibly because he was needing shoulder surgery?

  17. firova2 on July 21st, 2010 5:49 pm

    You don’t know Bedard’s motivations.
    Whether he is friendly to the media has nothing to do with his pitching.
    Going 5 innings may be for a reason besides “he doesn’t really want to pitch”–how many more surgeries should he have before you let him off this particular hook?
    How do you know that Bedard doesn’t have a passion for pitching? He’s undergone, besides these surgeries, Tommy John reconstruction on his elbow.

  18. MrGenre on July 21st, 2010 5:50 pm

    I don’t know about you guys, but I’m worried about Felix’ start tonight.

    Without his lucky rabbit’s foot behind the plate, how will he pitch well?? How will he survive?!?! God help our team w/o Rob Johnson!! :)

  19. Ralph_Malph on July 21st, 2010 5:52 pm

    These players today are wimps. Back in my day, if a guy’s shoulder hurt, you’d just rub some tobacco on it and get back out there. If a guy’s arm got to hurting too bad, you’d just pitch with the other one. If a guy broke his arm, they’d just cut it off. These young punks should just quit whining and pitch through the pain.

    But getting back to the game thread, Langerhans!

  20. greentunic on July 21st, 2010 5:57 pm

    I never said Bedard had no passion to pitch. I just said I would have liked to SEE it. Neither did I say he was not sad, merely that I did’nt know if he was or not.

    I understand that hurt is hurt. I only wished he would open up a bit more to the fans. In my opinion, that is part of the job of an athlete, because their job is meant to make and keep fans. Its the same with Ichiro. I respect Bedard and I appreciate that he cannot physically pitch.

  21. greentunic on July 21st, 2010 6:04 pm

    Plus, I was so stoked to have Lee, Felix, and Bedard… So excited haha. I hope we do resign him to a 1mil or less deal again. If he comes back, he’s worth much more.

  22. msfanmike on July 21st, 2010 6:07 pm

    Also, did anyone see the most exciting thing about this lineup? Our “professional” catcher is RIDING PINE!

    Yay!

    Probably a segue to him being placed on IR when they call up Moore … msfanmike stated hopefully!

    @ Greentunic: In an effort to provide you some relief for the “pickle” you placed yourself into – did you get my message from Saturday’s game thread about which books to seek out in regard to Scouting?

    Also, shoulder surgeries … very complicated, very very complicated. Elbow surgeries are complicated too, but in comparison – much easier to come back from. If you ever have the unfortunate occasion to be in an Orthopedic Surgeons office … check out the construct of the shoulder some time.

    Bedard has stated that he felt he owed the Mariners “something” – which is why he re-signed before this season. He may likely want to do it again … for league minimum if that is what it takes.

    I am willing to give you a “mulligan” if you can find a way to not wonder aloud anymore if Bedard is or isn’t sad about his situation. His career may be over. Of course he is sad. Who cares if he talked to the media. Not every player wants or can be the center of attention.

  23. greentunic on July 21st, 2010 6:09 pm

    I did not get that message, I think I may have glazed over it. I would appreciate if you could repeat it.

    And I apologize for my comments. They were out of line and out of frustration. I will excersice more sensitivity henceforth.

  24. scott19 on July 21st, 2010 6:17 pm

    Oh, and Bedard is done for the year.

    Well, well…fancy that! It’s not like we couldn’t see that coming…

    Also, did anyone see the most exciting thing about this lineup? Our “professional” catcher is RIDING PINE!

    Yeah, I noticed that too…wonder what’s up with the Magnificent RoJo?

  25. msb on July 21st, 2010 6:19 pm

    Hip. It is posted up above:

    “Johnson jarred his left hip while making a play on a bunted ball that had rolled foul. The discomfort eventually moved up into his back, Wakamatsu said, and he was listed as day-to-day. “

  26. jordan on July 21st, 2010 6:20 pm

    Sweet, hopefully Felix throws a perfect game so everyone realizes he doesn’t need Rob as a catcher.

  27. allenwu on July 21st, 2010 6:23 pm

    If I were Bedard, I’d start throwing with my other arm. His pitching arm has forsaken him.

  28. scott19 on July 21st, 2010 6:27 pm

    Thanks, msb. I should’ve looked a little closer before I rip-scrolled down the page… :(

  29. msfanmike on July 21st, 2010 6:34 pm

    And I apologize for my comments. They were out of line and out of frustration.

    Atta boy … and we all feel the same pain.

    The 2 books are:

    Baseball Uncensored – A Scouts View … written by Jonathan Story in 2000. At last check, Jonathan was scouting the Southern League AA for the White Sox. He has probably moved on to some other org by now. Scouts do tend to wander.
    This book will provide you with the specific metrics scouts use to rate (OFP) a prospect – as well as many other valuable insights.

    Dollar Sign on the Muscle – written in the early 80′s, so it is out of date; but it will provide a good history of the scouting industry from cradle to grave (assuming grave was 1983 ish). You will also learn all about the value of the “good face.”

    If you only want to read one – read Story’s book. If you can’t find it (and I doubt it was widely published) contact the editors and get my contact information. I still have my copy. You can borrow it. If they won’t provide my contact information to you – we will have to find some other way to get the book to you.

  30. Rayvensdad on July 21st, 2010 6:44 pm

    Is there a reason Smoak is DHing?????? Is it because of his blister? I don’t see why your 1st baseman of the future at the ripe ole age of 23 (i think) would be DHing when the season’s shot. Why is it so hard for Wak or whoever is really in charge to see that we need to build for the next year or two? I’d like to go to a game where Pineda was pitching, Ackley was at 2nd, Truinfel was at SS, Smoak was at 1st, Halman was DHing, Moore was behind the plate, and Saunders was in LF. Even if we got killed by 10 runs, I’d rather see the youth get up there, take their licks, develop without any pressure and get ready for the future. You’re in a win-win scenario. If the youngsters compete now, they’ll be ready by next year. If you get killed, you get one, if not the top pick in the draft. OR… we can play Kotchman, Bradley, Lopez, Figgins, RoJo, and Jack Wilson and shoot for 4th worst team and miss out on the best player available… like sweeping Oakland in the end of 2008 to have one more win than Washington… thus losing out on Strasburg. You’d think a relevant organization would have scouted the #1 draft pick and found he was a phenom and… I don’t know… make sure you get him if mathematically you had the chance with 3 games left. But that’s just me.

  31. greentunic on July 21st, 2010 6:51 pm

    Thanks msfanmike. I will do that.

  32. GoldenGutz on July 21st, 2010 6:53 pm

    I assume Smoak is dhing just to give him a day off, but his bat still in the lineup.

  33. joser on July 21st, 2010 6:57 pm

    It’ll be nice to get some fresh data — however small and useless — for Felix pitching to catchers other than RoJo so we can get back to doing a WOWY analysis.

    Sweet, hopefully Felix throws a perfect game so everyone realizes he doesn’t need Rob as a catcher.

    If Felix starts throwing perfect games he won’t need anyone as a catcher — he throws hard enough that the ball can just go through the strike zone (as the batter uselessly flails at it), through the the ump’s legs, and then bounce all the way back to the mound.

  34. Westside guy on July 21st, 2010 6:57 pm

    Most people who tore their labrum would just tough it out! Cy Young would’ve thrown with his teeth if he had to…

    (Okay, sarcasm switch is now off)

    Hey, maybe if Felix is forced to throw to someone other than RoJo for a while, he’ll realize what having a real catcher receiving him is like!

    (Hmm… I could’ve sworn I turned the sarcasm switch off – must be broken)

  35. SODOMOJO360 on July 21st, 2010 7:00 pm

    Is there a reason Smoak is DHing??????

    Kotchman holds the record for most games without an error at 1B. Why not put Kotch there if you have to play him to give the kid a day off.

    Why is it so hard for Wak or whoever is really in charge to see that we need to build for the next year or two?

    So we should just go set the record for most games lost in a season by a MLB team this year? I’m going to the Boston series this weekend and while I would like to see some young guys get shots too, I also would like to see a win or two to shove in my Sox friends face. So would many other paying fans for the rest of the year. You can’t just tank for the top draft pick that won’t be ready to play until 2012 at the earliest and there is no Strasburg in the next draft or the next 5 drafts. This isn’t the NBA where a top draft pick is guaranteed to help you the next year.

  36. joser on July 21st, 2010 7:02 pm

    I assume Smoak is dhing just to give him a day off, but his bat still in the lineup.

    Yes, it’s not like he’s on the bench, and I don’t think one more or less game at 1st is going to significantly affect his fielding ability. In fact, since some guys have trouble with DH’ing (or think they do) you could argue that Wak is in fact looking to the future: is Smoak a candidate to DH in games that do matter in future seasons, or is he one of those guys who have trouble hitting if they don’t have their heads in the game on the field?

    Though probably this is just Wak doing the little league thing of making sure everybody gets to play.

  37. Rayvensdad on July 21st, 2010 7:14 pm

    Sodo, who cares if we have the record for the most losses? And what does it matter if you beat the sox in one game? Do you really think that it is gonna give you anything to “shove in your Sox friends face?” I’d love to be your friend and have you try that to me, I’d just look at you and ask you to pass whatever you’re smoking. Who cares about one or two games anyone specific? I want enough games to get to the stinking playoffs. I know that beating the Yankees feels great, but I’d trade a season series win for a seat in the playoffs any day. If this organization continues to half-ass their up-and-coming talent, then we’re never gonna get anywhere. It’s frustrating to see guys who were once young Mariners, said that wouldn’t be successful, then become successful elsewhere… Matt Thorton, David Ortiz, Derek Lowe, Joel Pineiro, on and on and on and on. Anyway, not sure why I’m even venting. My vent went empty two months ago.

  38. SODOMOJO360 on July 21st, 2010 7:23 pm

    Sodo, who cares if we have the record for the most losses?

    I care and everybody in the organization cares. If you think for one minute that any Mariner fan or player or coach wants to be known as the team with 110 losses then you’re just not a very proud person. It’s called integrity. You try to win every game for everyone that puts in all the hard work for the organization.

    Yes there’s been some players that have left to become good players on other teams but that was the past. There have also been a lot of duds that have left but we don’t remember those. Just root for your team to win already and quit talking about tanking.

  39. Pilate on July 21st, 2010 7:25 pm

    Maybe Kotch is playing to “showcase” him. If so, expect lots of Aardsma to season that with.

  40. SODOMOJO360 on July 21st, 2010 7:31 pm

    No one wants Kotch and his contract

  41. lalo on July 21st, 2010 7:35 pm

    Currently I believe that the only battle of the M’s is against Pittsburgh and Baltimore, and is for the last place in the big leagues, I hope that finished last and sign Anthony Rendon, a guy who could be our third baseman of the future…

  42. SODOMOJO360 on July 21st, 2010 7:37 pm

    A tight hammy for Smoak, there you go playing for future guy

  43. spankystout on July 21st, 2010 7:38 pm

    Niehaus just said Smoak ‘has a tight hamstring’ and that the M’s knew about this before the trade. That is why he will occasionally DH.

  44. Pilate on July 21st, 2010 7:48 pm

    Isn’t Kotchman in the last year of his contract? He’s owed $3.5M this year. He’d make an OK defensive replacement for a contending team.

  45. juneau_fan on July 21st, 2010 7:49 pm

    Speaking of the team’s catcher situation, dread fills my heart every time they mention that Pierzynski’s a free agent next season. Since the M’s seem to pick up every player I despise, I won’t be surprised at all if they don’t get him to be that ‘veteran presence’ for Moore next season when they’ve traded Johnson for a single A pitcher in the off season.

  46. joser on July 21st, 2010 7:54 pm

    There may have been a time when teams “showcased” players but do we really think at this point there’s a front office so clueless they’d look at box scores or video tomorrow and exclaim “Hey, Kasey Cotchman! Who is this dreamboat we so obviously need!?” Ok, sure, Dayton Moore might do that — but he’s already got a first baseman.

    I imagine “showcasing” still has its place in certain circumstances — guys recovering from an injury, say, or recently plucked from obscurity in the international leagues — but none of those would seem to apply to the Kotchrocket.

    It’s frustrating to see guys who were once young Mariners, said that wouldn’t be successful, then become successful elsewhere… Matt Thorton, David Ortiz, Derek Lowe, Joel Pineiro, on and on and on and on.

    Yeah, Why do they always get better? (Maybe, just maybe, selective memory plays a role?)

  47. joser on July 21st, 2010 7:58 pm

    Well, the perversity of the universe tending towards a maximum, I would almost expect Pierzynski to show up in an M’s uni. But Zduriencik on down are always stressing “make up” when talking about players and I don’t think they mean Pierzynski’s eye-black.

  48. juneau_fan on July 21st, 2010 8:01 pm

    God, I hope you’re right, joser. I hate him before he was on the Giants, my NL team, for a season and crapped the bed and I hate him even more now.

    Then again, every time I hear them announce that Domestic Violence Awareness night coming up, I shift my eyes and wonder if they’re going to make Josh Lueke stand on the mound while fans throw tomatoes at him.

  49. joser on July 21st, 2010 8:02 pm

    So I’m up in Canada at the moment and since the Jays had a day game, the west coast evening baseball time slot got handed to the Giants-Dodgers game for some reason. I was about to turn it off but then I heard the announcer. I still love Niehaus the best but, man, Vin Scully can call a lovely game.

  50. SODOMOJO360 on July 21st, 2010 8:03 pm

    Terrible lead Figgy

  51. chimera on July 21st, 2010 8:07 pm

    So we should just go set the record for most games lost in a season by a MLB team this year?

    Yes. I’d rather watch the kids do it, than the other idiots.

  52. lalo on July 21st, 2010 8:10 pm

    Speaking of the team’s catcher situation, dread fills my heart every time they mention that Pierzynski’s a free agent next season. Since the M’s seem to pick up every player I despise, I won’t be surprised at all if they don’t get him to be that ‘veteran presence’ for Moore next season when they’ve traded Johnson for a single A pitcher in the off season.

    Or maybe Victor Martinez??

  53. Pilate on July 21st, 2010 8:11 pm

    You’re not alone, juneau. This April in Scottsdale, when P came to the plate he got a chorus of boos. That’s hard to do in Spring Training.

  54. Pilate on July 21st, 2010 8:13 pm

    Felix seems to be pitching just fine with Bard back there.

  55. SODOMOJO360 on July 21st, 2010 8:18 pm

    my goddddddd

  56. juneau_fan on July 21st, 2010 8:20 pm

    Lordy. What a team.

    I’m not one of those ‘fire the manager!’ fans, but…lordy.

  57. Pilate on July 21st, 2010 8:20 pm

    Lee Tinsley is our base running coach. I vote for his departure. Soon.

  58. joser on July 21st, 2010 8:20 pm

    Well, Pierzynski would be popular with the folks who think Bedard doesn’t show enough emotion, I guess. But I really don’t see this front office paying free agent money ($6M+) for a 34-year-old catcher with this offensive profile. Especially when they haven’t yet completely lost faith in Moore. They could pick up another catcher in the off-season but I think it’s a better bet he’d be a piece of a trade.

  59. KCrotchman on July 21st, 2010 8:33 pm

    What’s the over/under on the M’s scoring a run for Felix tonight?

  60. Rayvensdad on July 21st, 2010 8:34 pm

    Sodo, “quit talking about tanking” and you want me to be a proud person with integrity? We’re 3-14 in our last 17 games…… I don’t need to talk about tanking. They’ve been tanking two months before this conversation. I also don’t live in denial. And the fact is this team is so far from looking like a professional baseball team, let alone playing like one, that it is pointless to stick players that have no future in roles that doesn’t HELP the future of this club. If there are guys in Triple A that have a good shot at making this club next year, then I’d like to see them on the field and getting used to the highest level of competition there is, rather then wait, plug them in last minute, and go through the growing pains when there is a chance to compete. September is usually when these guys are brought up, because in most team’s cases they are pretty much out of the hunt. We’re out of the hunt NOW. Quit denying it. We’re so far out of the hunt you’d think we were shooting fish with a BB Gun in the middle of the desert. I just don’t understand how you think a person isn’t proud that takes the inevitable, adjusts to it, and plans for his next attack. But if you want to keep hitting your head against a brick wall then by all means continue.

  61. lalo on July 21st, 2010 8:37 pm

    This offense is awful,Jack should spend all available money on offense, at least to make it more interesting, could lose Aardsma and Sean White or any of the bullpen, or a bad start from Snell or whatever, except this, we always lose, and apart the game is boring

  62. King.Dome on July 21st, 2010 8:43 pm

    Ok, if we can’t score a run or two for Felix, maybe they’ll make a few more errors and give us a run or two. Please, can we get Felix this win. Frustrating. (and I only just turned it on).

  63. Breadbaker on July 21st, 2010 8:44 pm

    Thank God we have a man aboard for our clean up hitter. Oh, wait. . . .

  64. juneau_fan on July 21st, 2010 8:45 pm

    I hate Lopez.

    Shouldn’t he have been closer to first though? You know, on the off chance that something goes wrong on the throw?

  65. King.Dome on July 21st, 2010 8:45 pm

    …or not

  66. SeasonTix on July 21st, 2010 8:51 pm

    Rizz just mentoned on the radio that the White Sox have NO passed balls so far this year.

    Must be nice! LOL

  67. Rayvensdad on July 21st, 2010 8:52 pm

    All I see is a group of guys, in general, with nothing to play for. Though Felix, Vargas, and the rookies can be taken out of that equation. The veterans on this club should be called out, but no one in that clubhouse seems to have the balls to do it.

  68. SODOMOJO360 on July 21st, 2010 8:55 pm

    OK Ravensdad, I know they are bad, I don’t argue that. Wait until after the trade deadline and if they don’t start playing their young guys, then you have an argument. Until then we have to keep throwing Lopez out there to showcase him and because frankly we DON’T have anyone in AAA that can replace him. Tui is not ready and is a AAAA player. Ackley is not ready. You talk about looking to the future, well more time in the minors is better for a players future. Make sure they are crushing down there before you bring em up only to fail and kill their confidence. Smoak had a total of about 250 AB’s in the minors and it shows.

  69. Rayvensdad on July 21st, 2010 8:59 pm

    Agreed, by the trade deadline it should be done. And I also agree to showcase the guys on this team who have worth is important. Unfortunately there aren’t many outside of Felix, Ichiro, and Guti who’d make a reasonable conversation for. But who knows, someone might need a 2nd/3rd baseman who has potential to hit like Lopez.

  70. msfanmike on July 21st, 2010 8:59 pm

    Hey, let’s score a fucking run! One will probably do it.

  71. KCrotchman on July 21st, 2010 9:01 pm

    Please don’t act like a dumbass on the base path Langerhans

  72. Rayvensdad on July 21st, 2010 9:02 pm

    Did someone kill Josh Wilson? I’m sure he likes watching those who replaced him fail so consistently, but still get the opportunity to play. “Put the team with the best chance to win on the field” my arse!!! Blowing smoke, and not even the good kind.

  73. KCrotchman on July 21st, 2010 9:03 pm

    Nevermind I thought with a leadoff hitter reaching base they might advance a guy to second my bad.

  74. Rayvensdad on July 21st, 2010 9:05 pm

    What the fuck!

  75. msfanmike on July 21st, 2010 9:06 pm

    What do you think of our teams execution? Personally, I am in favor of it.

  76. Sports on a Schtick on July 21st, 2010 9:06 pm

    This lineup is so fucking bad. I can’t believe this season might actually surpass 2008 in ineptitude.

  77. awestby51 on July 21st, 2010 9:07 pm

    Well this should be pretty painful. Felix must be pissed.

  78. Rayvensdad on July 21st, 2010 9:08 pm

    Wak……. I’m officially done with you. I’ve been defending you for the last few months… now I’m done. Felix better have asked to be taken out… and we know he didn’t.

  79. juneau_fan on July 21st, 2010 9:08 pm

    Rizz just mentoned on the radio that the White Sox have NO passed balls so far this year.

    We are so getting stuck with Pierzynski.

    This team is just painful.

  80. firova2 on July 21st, 2010 9:09 pm

    Felix is on an innings watch for the year, according to Niehaus, so he probably didn’t have much to say about it.

  81. awestby51 on July 21st, 2010 9:09 pm

    Wow, Aardsma has NO command. It’s especially noticeable after watching Felix paint the shit out of the lower half of the zone. How did this shitcan succeed last year?

  82. Lauren, token chick on July 21st, 2010 9:10 pm

    WHAT the HELL. I was only paying halfhearted attention, even with Felix’s performance so far, because it’s the 2010 Mariners. I just assumed Felix was back out in the 9th. Then I look up and… Aardsma?!

  83. firova2 on July 21st, 2010 9:12 pm

    Also, it appears the Mariners read Dave’s piece about the potential overuse of Felix in a lost season. It has happened before. Remember when Dave’s analysis of Felix’s pitch selection found its way to the pitching coach?

  84. KCrotchman on July 21st, 2010 9:12 pm

    Kick up some dirt Wak you have nothing to lose. Jesus Christ.

  85. King.Dome on July 21st, 2010 9:13 pm

    Damn. Good throw and tag. I we lose like this it will be appropriate. Shoot me.

  86. G-Man on July 21st, 2010 9:13 pm

    Show the *()@#& replay.

    Thanks. Out.

  87. juneau_fan on July 21st, 2010 9:14 pm

    The DA is losing the case.

  88. Paul L on July 21st, 2010 9:14 pm

    Figgins was clearly watching for the pull-back the whole way and nailed him.

    Blown call.

  89. firova2 on July 21st, 2010 9:15 pm

    Typical that Rizzs is defending Figgins and Niehaus doesn’t believe it. Rizzs is the paid optimist and Niehaus can’t see as well anymore. I have to respect that Niehaus won’t play the homer whether the call was right or not.

  90. Lauren, token chick on July 21st, 2010 9:15 pm

    What’s the consensus on Aardsma anyway? I’ve been too disheartened to keep up with the USSM. Are these resolvable control issues or something worse?

  91. firova2 on July 21st, 2010 9:17 pm

    Niehaus mentioned that Aardsma has set down the side in order all of eight times all year in save situations. I don’t think he meant it as a compliment.

  92. lalo on July 21st, 2010 9:17 pm

    Jack should to trade many players of this team, as Figgins, Jack Wilson, Jose Lopez, Bradley and attempting to assemble a good team for 2011, including young players such as Saunders, Smoak, Pineda, Ackley and complement them with players like Ichiro, Guti , Vargas, Fister, Felix.

    None of the aforementioned players have the right to play in 2011, especially after making fun of this organization I think we must also include Wak …

  93. Paul L on July 21st, 2010 9:17 pm

    firova:

    It’s really hard to tell even on the replay, but it looked to me like Figgins’s (Figgins’?) glove moved slightly when touching his shoulder.

    It wasn’t an easy call by any means, but I think he missed it.

  94. firova2 on July 21st, 2010 9:18 pm

    Figgins, erase all the bad stuff with your first homer of the year.

  95. Paul L on July 21st, 2010 9:19 pm

    I really get tired of reading how we need to trade players. Do the people who post these things realize that a) we won’t get anything for these guys and b) if we really did trade everyone that has been suggested you’re talking about 80% of the roster?

    It’s not feasible.

  96. kenshabby on July 21st, 2010 9:20 pm

    M’s offensive rankings through yesterday’s game:

    Runs scored: 14/14
    Hits: 14/14
    2B: 14/14
    3B: 12/14
    HR: 14/14
    BA: 14/14
    OBP: 14/14
    SLG: 14/14
    OPS: take a guess.

  97. KCrotchman on July 21st, 2010 9:21 pm

    If figgy can’t get in scoring position I’m gonna be pissed.

  98. firova2 on July 21st, 2010 9:22 pm

    They are on pace to score fewer runs than even the worst of the expansion years. This is the worst offensive team in franchise history by a long mile.

  99. G-Man on July 21st, 2010 9:23 pm

    Thanks for bunting with one of the only guys that can hit.

  100. MariLOLs on July 21st, 2010 9:23 pm

    Intentional walk to Lopez. lolololol.

  101. firova2 on July 21st, 2010 9:24 pm

    So does Bradley hit here?

  102. MariLOLs on July 21st, 2010 9:26 pm

    If Wak hadn’t been kicked out, you bet Kotchman would have batted.

  103. KCrotchman on July 21st, 2010 9:27 pm

    God damn it!

  104. firova2 on July 21st, 2010 9:27 pm

    Unbelievable.

  105. MariLOLs on July 21st, 2010 9:27 pm

    HOW DO YOU GET DOUBLED UP WHEN YOU ARE TRAILING THE WINNING RUN ON BASE????!

  106. firova2 on July 21st, 2010 9:27 pm

    “For crying out loud” quoth Niehaus.

  107. griffin on July 21st, 2010 9:28 pm

    Atta’ boy Lopey!!!!!

  108. Swungonandbelted on July 21st, 2010 9:28 pm

    this is so painful right now…

  109. KCrotchman on July 21st, 2010 9:28 pm

    You gotta be a masochist to be a fan of this team this year.

  110. henryv on July 21st, 2010 9:28 pm

    Why is Lopez running? His run doesn’t even matter.

    What an idiot. Seriously, Jose. Sit down on first base, but don’t run. Moron.

  111. SODOMOJO360 on July 21st, 2010 9:28 pm

    I HATE LOPEZ I HATE LOPEZ I HATE LOPEZ

  112. henryv on July 21st, 2010 9:29 pm

    How is the coach not screaming “BACK HERE, FATTY! I GOT A DOUGHNUT RIGHT HERE!”

  113. lalo on July 21st, 2010 9:29 pm

    I really get tired of reading how we need to trade players. Do the people who post these things realize that a) we won’t get anything for these guys and b) if we really did trade everyone that has been suggested you’re talking about 80% of the roster?

    It’s not feasible.

    I really think the last thing we should think about is getting something, because we need to prove to young people, and above all, save that money in 2011, 9 MILLIONS of Figgy, 10 million Bradley, Jack 6 million and 5 million Jose Lopez, in total there are 30 million, which can be spent on competent players that fit into this organization, we may look for a catcher, a third base like Cantu or Inge, a shortstop like Jose Reyes…

  114. firova2 on July 21st, 2010 9:29 pm

    The thing is, it is the entire team screwing up on the bases. Tonight, Langerhans and Lopez. Earlier in the week, Suzuki, Bradley, Jack Wilson, Gutierrez. Just unbelievable.

  115. Rayvensdad on July 21st, 2010 9:29 pm

    Not sure if anyone told Lopez… BUT YOU’RE NOT THE WINNING RUN!!! STAY ON THE !@##$$% BASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I’d love to get paid 1/10 the money these guys are making and play this bad. I’d have no problem doing… Mariners, sign me up!

  116. juneau_fan on July 21st, 2010 9:29 pm

    Lopez still manages to complete the double play. That took some work, buddy boy.

  117. SODOMOJO360 on July 21st, 2010 9:29 pm

    Lopez needs to get benched for that tomorrow. Smoak could have ended the game

  118. henryv on July 21st, 2010 9:30 pm

    I don’t think we have any money guaranteed to Lopez next year. We can buy him out, if we have to pay him anything.

  119. King.Dome on July 21st, 2010 9:31 pm

    Like it was possible to have any less hope, here come extra innings. Have we won even on extra in game this year?

  120. henryv on July 21st, 2010 9:31 pm

    League in, game over.

    Let’s see if we can keep the Sox in single digits.

  121. firova2 on July 21st, 2010 9:31 pm

    Oh and Figgins got a bad jump stealing and got thrown out tonight. The whole team.

  122. kenshabby on July 21st, 2010 9:32 pm

    This team suffers from some pervasive psychological illness. Perhaps some group hypnosis would reveal the pathology.

  123. juneau_fan on July 21st, 2010 9:32 pm

    King.Dome, they just said 2 and 8 in extra innings.

  124. KCrotchman on July 21st, 2010 9:32 pm

    Come on and end it Smoak. Give the M’s one thing to be proud of this year.

  125. okinawadave on July 21st, 2010 9:33 pm

    Why won’t they freakin’ show us the replay!!? Two nights in a row we have a stupid baserunning error and they don’t show where Lopez was – did he see Figgins tag and turn back? Was he watching the play? Isn’t the point of watching on tv to be able to see replays?

  126. henryv on July 21st, 2010 9:34 pm

    It would be pretty hard to not argue that almost every member of this team has their collective head up their own (or perhaps Rob Johnson’s ass).

    Maybe you can call it pressing, or whatever, but they are making mistakes I would be ashamed of a t-ball team for making.

    Given how bad it is, and how the games don’t matter, I would love to see Wak just start benching people for being stupid.

  127. Paul L on July 21st, 2010 9:35 pm

    I take everything back: DFA Lopez tomorrow.

  128. Utis on July 21st, 2010 9:35 pm

    Smoaking walk off???

  129. firova2 on July 21st, 2010 9:35 pm

    I’ve long thought that Wak’s job really is safe for this year, but this base running issue looks very bad for him. It speaks to a lack of basic fundamentals and a teamwide concentration problem. This is stuff that generally gets taught, so is the team listening? And this has been a problem all year. Only this week has there been an absolute torrent of base running blunders, but it has been happening since April.

  130. henryv on July 21st, 2010 9:36 pm

    Why won’t they freakin’ show us the replay!!? Two nights in a row we have a stupid baserunning error and they don’t show where Lopez was – did he see Figgins tag and turn back? Was he watching the play? Isn’t the point of watching on tv to be able to see replays?

    Based on what they showed, I don’t know that any camera was on Lopez. Which is bad, because they should always have a camera on him, to watch him do something stupid. Might win the team some money on America’s Funniest Home Videos, or at least get a clip on Tosh.0

  131. Sports on a Schtick on July 21st, 2010 9:38 pm

    What’s the consensus on Aardsma anyway? I’ve been too disheartened to keep up with the USSM. Are these resolvable control issues or something worse?

    He was who we thought he was. 2009 had fluky results (shiny ERA) that didn’t match his process (hittable fastballs up in the zone).

  132. Paul L on July 21st, 2010 9:38 pm

    There was no camera on Lopez because the director didn’t think Lopez would be stupid enough to get doubled off.

  133. okinawadave on July 21st, 2010 9:38 pm

    Based on what they showed, I don’t know that any camera was on Lopez.

    No, they have those second-deck cameras – the ones to the right and left of the announcers that show the whole field. That would have been the perfect angle to see the whole play unfold.

  134. henryv on July 21st, 2010 9:39 pm

    Maybe they should just play the crazy carnival clown music in the background of all the M’s broadcasts.

  135. henryv on July 21st, 2010 9:40 pm

    Or they could put canned laughter in during M’s at bats.

  136. KCrotchman on July 21st, 2010 9:40 pm

    How hard is it to score a run in 27 innings. It’s like parting the red sea for these anemic bastards. I mean just one.

  137. Section337 on July 21st, 2010 9:41 pm

    Could you imagine being at this game. They’ve already cut off alcohol sales for the evening.

  138. firova2 on July 21st, 2010 9:41 pm

    I’m almost at the point of hoping the scoreless streak just goes on and on so that something drastic has to happen–bringing up half the farm, DFA’ing people, a 2,000 attendance night. Of course the mostly likely change, because it is the easiest, is to fire the manager.

  139. Section337 on July 21st, 2010 9:42 pm

    And now the fans are doing the fucking wave.

  140. KCrotchman on July 21st, 2010 9:43 pm

    Could you imagine being at this game. They’ve already cut off alcohol sales for the evening.

    If I was there I would run on the field and punch Lopez in his fat face.

  141. jackshaw on July 21st, 2010 9:43 pm

    Does anyone have a link of the video clip of Silva beating Lopez in sprints during spring training?

  142. firova2 on July 21st, 2010 9:43 pm

    And on radio, we are treated to Cliff Lee’s commercial he made a day before being traded.

  143. King.Dome on July 21st, 2010 9:44 pm

    Yeah, 2 of 8, an easy .200. That can’t be too far from our overall win % can it.

    Maybe we can get some Storm players in here?!! Their winning % is like .905 (19-2)!! They might have as many wins as the Ms pretty soon. I really should go to one of their games one of these days. Lauren Jackson……..hmmmm…….she could…..pitch right – tall, extra velocity and everything. Sorry, I’m going crazy here.

  144. henryv on July 21st, 2010 9:44 pm

    Could you imagine being at this game. They’ve already cut off alcohol sales for the evening.

    Any time I go to the M’s games, I make sure to bring some extra… Cause, you know, it’s the M’s, and I’m going to need it just to get by.

  145. juneau_fan on July 21st, 2010 9:45 pm

    That was close.

  146. Paul L on July 21st, 2010 9:46 pm

    Nice noodle arm, Milton.

  147. juneau_fan on July 21st, 2010 9:48 pm

    I keep hearing that annoying announcer, “Backbackbackback…”

  148. henryv on July 21st, 2010 9:48 pm

    Nice noodle arm, Milton.

    Raul would be proud.

  149. lalo on July 21st, 2010 9:49 pm

    Come on League, a HR too…

  150. juneau_fan on July 21st, 2010 9:51 pm

    And all it took was a line drive in the end.

    Hopeless. It’s hopeless.

    Although isn’t Ichiro up this inning? You know, he can hit a home run any time he wants.

  151. henryv on July 21st, 2010 9:54 pm

    Jack Wilson with an impressive display of luck.

  152. firova2 on July 21st, 2010 9:55 pm

    Omar Vizquel. At 43, better than just about everybody on the Mariners.

  153. King.Dome on July 21st, 2010 9:55 pm

    We will bunt you to death suckers!

  154. henryv on July 21st, 2010 9:55 pm

    Ichiro sac bunting makes me want to stomp on kittens.

  155. juneau_fan on July 21st, 2010 9:55 pm

    Uh, they’re playing for the tie?

    So they think they can score twice in the same night?

  156. henryv on July 21st, 2010 9:56 pm

    Uh, they’re playing for the tie?

    No, for the loss. Just hoping to make it home early.

  157. KCrotchman on July 21st, 2010 9:56 pm

    How do you not score from second?

  158. King.Dome on July 21st, 2010 9:56 pm

    what the hell??!! Score on that!

  159. lalo on July 21st, 2010 9:57 pm

    Come on Guti!!!!

  160. Paul L on July 21st, 2010 9:57 pm

    Squeeze coming up. It’s the only way we can score.

  161. henryv on July 21st, 2010 9:57 pm

    How do you not score from second?

    Because it hung up in the air, and he was worried the CF would catch it. It is the right play.

  162. Carson on July 21st, 2010 9:57 pm

    Holy shit. WHY did Wilson freeze on that? Not even Guti was getting to that.

  163. Rayvensdad on July 21st, 2010 9:57 pm

    Of course Jack Wilson would’ve stuttered on that hit… every Mariner’s runner has to look retarded this week… it was the team’s goal.

  164. Paul L on July 21st, 2010 9:59 pm

    Wilson would have been thrown out anyway. He’s had his hamstrings replaced with banjo strings.

  165. KCrotchman on July 21st, 2010 9:59 pm

    Because it hung up in the air, and he was worried the CF would catch it. It is the right play.

    Yeah I guess it just seems these guys run wild at the wrong time and stutter at the wrong time.

  166. King.Dome on July 21st, 2010 10:00 pm

    this is good, knock on every tree in the NW

  167. KCrotchman on July 21st, 2010 10:01 pm

    Wow.

  168. Paul L on July 21st, 2010 10:01 pm

    Sweet Jesus.

    FINALLY!!!!

  169. henryv on July 21st, 2010 10:01 pm

    Holy shit.

    The M’s scored more than 1 run in a game! It only took 11 innings.

  170. MariLOLs on July 21st, 2010 10:01 pm

    Despite Lopez’s best efforts… M’s win.

  171. KCrotchman on July 21st, 2010 10:01 pm

    Good game.

  172. Carson on July 21st, 2010 10:01 pm

    Brandon League needs a hair cut in the worst way.

  173. juneau_fan on July 21st, 2010 10:01 pm

    *Waving arms in the air*

    It’s a miracle! A miracle!

  174. Section337 on July 21st, 2010 10:02 pm

    Nice to see League get the W!!

  175. King.Dome on July 21st, 2010 10:02 pm

    Don’t injury Guti! I know we won, and that is exciting, but come on. Ms win!!! It’s a miracle.

  176. Paul L on July 21st, 2010 10:02 pm

    How about Figgie – heads back to second and still scores.

    I love Guti.

    Please release Lopez.

  177. SODOMOJO360 on July 21st, 2010 10:02 pm

    Bout F-ing time

  178. henryv on July 21st, 2010 10:07 pm

    Josh Wilson at 3B tomorrow?

  179. KCrotchman on July 21st, 2010 10:12 pm

    Josh Wilson at 3B tomorrow?

    Hell yeah. If Branyan was back I would put him clean up and put Smoak in the five spot.

  180. SODOMOJO360 on July 21st, 2010 10:13 pm

    Yes. Bench Lopez and his dumb non hustling ass

  181. SODOMOJO360 on July 21st, 2010 10:14 pm

    Got to hold these guys accountable coach

  182. nvn8vbryce on July 21st, 2010 10:15 pm

    Jack and Whack better find some solutions real soon if this team has any prayer of competing in 2011. Some Players that whack jacks would be a good start.

    - Wak has earned the Whack nickname until certain boneheads play better or get DFAed. Why whack you may ask? Every boneheaded move is deserving of a whack on said player’s head.

  183. illdonk on July 21st, 2010 10:17 pm

    Has a middle reliever ever led his team in wins?

  184. greentunic on July 22nd, 2010 2:06 am

    Really wanted Felix to get his Golden W but good game nontheless.

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