Game 12, Blue Jays At Mariners

Dave · April 13, 2011 at 11:57 am · Filed Under Mariners 

Vargas vs Drabek, 12:40 pm.

If ever you wanted to test the hypothesis of different types of starting pitchers throwing off a team’s timing, using the short, left-handed soft-tossing change-up specialist in Jason Vargas the afternoon after Michael Pineda’s Fastball Exhibition Tour would be just about the perfect situation. I’m guessing this won’t go quite as well as last night did, however.

Also, Kyle Drabek is really good. I’m not thinking a sweep is highly likely.

Ichiro, RF
Kennedy, 2B
Bradley, LF
Cust, DH
Smoak, 1B
Langerhans, CF
Rodriguez, 3B
Ryan, SS
Gimenez, C


78 Responses to “Game 12, Blue Jays At Mariners”

  1. Diehard on April 13th, 2011 3:12 pm

    Wow Ray sucks, hope he is the odd man out when the DA comes back.

  2. joser on April 13th, 2011 3:18 pm

    Hey, Wedge got the memo, just a couple of batters too late.

  3. groundzero55 on April 13th, 2011 3:18 pm

    Odds are likely. He has been the worst performer, by far.

  4. jordan on April 13th, 2011 3:21 pm

    Bring up Cortes

  5. themedia on April 13th, 2011 3:24 pm

    It’s amazing how terrible having one bad reliever is. Ray came in, faced five batters, and wasted 6.2 great innings by Vargas.

    Can someone explain why Ray ever gets to pitch? He doesn’t look like a major leaguer these days.

  6. joser on April 13th, 2011 3:24 pm

    There’s no excuse for walking John MacDonald, and there’s no excuse for giving up a double to Jose freaking Molina

  7. G-Man on April 13th, 2011 3:24 pm

    Once again, DTFT catches that.

  8. JasonJ on April 13th, 2011 3:26 pm

    I think we’re getting payback for Monday night.

  9. samregens on April 13th, 2011 3:27 pm

    Chris Ray sucks. Definitely not the best guy to put in with a one run lead in the 8th inning.

    Didn’t he vulture the win from Vargas’s first start also?

  10. Westside guy on April 13th, 2011 3:43 pm

    I am not happy that Ray got lit up – but I am happy that we’ve won this series. We really needed it, in my opinion (“we” meaning fans as well as players).

    I can understand small sample sizes and all – but, after last year, I don’t think the tolerance is there for a really long losing streak, even though we could rationally expect it given the current makeup of the team.

    BTW apologies for my previous comment – I understand why it was deleted, and I hope people realize I wasn’t intending to be taken seriously.

  11. Westside guy on April 13th, 2011 3:48 pm

    Can someone explain why Ray ever gets to pitch?

    Because Sean White is no longer available? 😉

  12. Nicbp253 on April 13th, 2011 3:54 pm

    Man ohhhhhh man….a sweep would have been nice

  13. Edgar4Hall on April 13th, 2011 4:03 pm

    Has that one stupid fan been screaming all night long? Thats all he was doing during the pitch for M’s at bats this innning and it really ticked me off.

  14. Westside guy on April 13th, 2011 4:25 pm

    Well, at least Chris Ray got the loss.

  15. Rayvensdad on April 13th, 2011 4:27 pm

    Jamie Wright, no hits and a 0.00 ERA…. OR…. Chris Ray, 6 hits and 4 runs with a 6.76 ERA in 4 innings pitched……. and for fun let’s throw in that he got Bautista to foul out the game earlier which I’m sure Jose didn’t forget……………… Let’s go with Ray! Hey Wedge, don’t come on your post game and say Ray just didn’t have it today. Because from what I’ve seen he looked rather consistent from his previous outings. Dump him!

  16. groundzero55 on April 13th, 2011 8:24 pm

    Can someone explain why Ray ever gets to pitch? He doesn’t look like a major leaguer these days.

    Ray basically got the setup job when it was decided Aardsma would be out and League was closing. He won it out of spring training, that’s why he is pitching the 8th instead of someone else. With his performance though I wouldn’t be surprised to see him DFA’d before too long.

  17. gerrythek on April 13th, 2011 8:57 pm

    The three games COMBINED wouldn’t have filled Safeco once – and that’s with both Felix and Pineda pitching. Think management is getting the message yet?

  18. the tourist on April 13th, 2011 9:32 pm

    The three games COMBINED wouldn’t have filled Safeco once – and that’s with both Felix and Pineda pitching. Think management is getting the message yet?

    Yes they did. They’ll be cutting payroll to $60m next year.

  19. Nacre on April 14th, 2011 12:59 am

    Regarding the front office: I’m not sure what they can do to fix things. It’s easy to say that they need to win in order to attract fans, but how do you turn this team into a winner next year?

    Without enough money coming in, I doubt they really have the ability to sign a couple of mega free agents. Moreover there’s nothing that guarantees that anybody you sign is actually going to perform. See: Figgins, Chone.

    Unfortunately I think it’s going to take a couple of years to get back to the point that the M’s are attractive to casual fans no matter how smart our front office is.

  20. the tourist on April 14th, 2011 9:58 am

    Actually, it’ll probably only take a winning season.

  21. Kazinski on April 14th, 2011 11:15 am

    Before we start panicking about the bullpen there are a couple of things we should remember, 1) we generally try to look beyond results and look at the underlying numbers to exclude uncontrolable factors like luck, 2) we try not to get too carried away on small sample sizes.

    Based on FIP the M’s have the best bullpen in the AL West, and the Angels are terrible. Based on ERA the Angels have the best bullpen in the American League. It’s too early to tell.

    Team ERA/FIP/xFIP
    Mariners 5.46/3.60/4.10
    Athletics 3.26/3.78/3.32
    Rangers 2.76/4.47/4.73
    Angels 2.45/5.64/5.07

  22. jordan on April 14th, 2011 11:56 am

    I don’t think that anyone is arguing that our bullpen is terrible. We are just saying that Chris Ray is terrible.

  23. Shanfan on April 14th, 2011 12:20 pm

    One thing they could do to lure fans back is lower prices on everything. Let’s say I own a strip club and used to feature surgically enhanced aerobic workout freak dance majors, but now I’m putting old stretch-marked C-sectioned meth tweaking biker chum and scrawny abused farm girls in need of orthodontia up on stage; should I start charging even more money or consider lowering my prices?

  24. Kazinski on April 14th, 2011 12:39 pm

    We are just saying that Chris Ray is terrible.

    Chris Ray has a BABIP of .455, a 61.9 % Ground ball rate, and a 25.0 %HR/FB rate so far this season.

    Based on that its quite possible he is really good, and has just been the victim of some bad luck. The truth is none of those stats are typical for him, he has a career .277 BABIP, a 40% GB rate, and rather average 10% HR/FB rate. So unless he has changed is repertoire or is injured, you haven’t seen Chris Ray yet.

    Nobody is calling for Felix to be sent down to Tacoma after the 7 innings he pitched Monday night. Don’t be ready to DFA Ray based on his 4.2 innings, especially with that BABIP screaming “BAD LUCK”.

    Once upon a time you would have been banned here for making that argument without looking at Ray’s underlying stats.

    I miss Derek.

  25. Westside guy on April 14th, 2011 12:57 pm

    Chris Ray has a BABIP of .455, a 61.9 % Ground ball rate, and a 25.0 %HR/FB rate so far this season.

    You’ve made a very good point there, and while I wasn’t the immediate previous poster – I was guilty of not looking at this for Ray even though I complained about him. Which is pretty terrible since it was the first thing I looked at when Olivo put up good numbers the first couple of games (and an absurdly high BABIP was present in that case as well).

  26. FelixFanChris420 on April 14th, 2011 1:14 pm

    Kazinski…he also owns a career FIP of 4.60 (xFIP of 4.51) and has been good for .07 WAR over his career (253 Innings), so while his BABIP for this year screams “BAD LUCK” his career stats and overall resume scream “MEH”. I don’t think theres anything lost by DFAing him, especially if they bring up one of the kids from Tacoma to take his roster spot.

  27. Kazinski on April 14th, 2011 1:50 pm

    Somebody is going to be sent down when Aardsma is back, and it may well be Chris Ray, and he may have earned a demotion by then.

    I’m just saying making a judgment on Chris Ray this early in the season based on his results rather than the underlying numbers is wrong. If someone had told you our RH setup man would have a 61%GB rate two weeks into the season, I think most people here would be ecstatic, and want him to move into the closers spot, or wonder if we could convert him to a starter.

  28. FelixFanChris420 on April 14th, 2011 2:09 pm

    I understand, and IDK what the person you were originally replying to’s reasons behind wanting Ray gone, but speaking for myself, its not only the bad (albiet luck driven) results thus far in THIS season, but a pattern of “Meh” over the course of his career. From my POV, if we’re going to have to deal with a terrible bullpen this season, then I’d at least rather it be terrible in a productive manner with guys like Cortes, Fields, etc getting innings and growing from the things they do wrong, as opposed to washed up never was’s like Ray and Wright getting blown up every other day and taking nothing from it but a loss. Knowwhatimean?

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