Game 12, Blue Jays At Mariners
Dave · April 13, 2011 at 11:57 am · Filed Under Mariners
Vargas vs Drabek, 12:40 pm.
If ever you wanted to test the hypothesis of different types of starting pitchers throwing off a team’s timing, using the short, left-handed soft-tossing change-up specialist in Jason Vargas the afternoon after Michael Pineda’s Fastball Exhibition Tour would be just about the perfect situation. I’m guessing this won’t go quite as well as last night did, however.
Also, Kyle Drabek is really good. I’m not thinking a sweep is highly likely.
Ichiro, RF
Kennedy, 2B
Bradley, LF
Cust, DH
Smoak, 1B
Langerhans, CF
Rodriguez, 3B
Ryan, SS
Gimenez, C
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Wow Ray sucks, hope he is the odd man out when the DA comes back.
Hey, Wedge got the memo, just a couple of batters too late.
Odds are likely. He has been the worst performer, by far.
Bring up Cortes
It’s amazing how terrible having one bad reliever is. Ray came in, faced five batters, and wasted 6.2 great innings by Vargas.
Can someone explain why Ray ever gets to pitch? He doesn’t look like a major leaguer these days.
There’s no excuse for walking John MacDonald, and there’s no excuse for giving up a double to Jose freaking Molina
Once again, DTFT catches that.
I think we’re getting payback for Monday night.
Chris Ray sucks. Definitely not the best guy to put in with a one run lead in the 8th inning.
Didn’t he vulture the win from Vargas’s first start also?
I am not happy that Ray got lit up – but I am happy that we’ve won this series. We really needed it, in my opinion (“we” meaning fans as well as players).
I can understand small sample sizes and all – but, after last year, I don’t think the tolerance is there for a really long losing streak, even though we could rationally expect it given the current makeup of the team.
BTW apologies for my previous comment – I understand why it was deleted, and I hope people realize I wasn’t intending to be taken seriously.
Because Sean White is no longer available? 😉
Man ohhhhhh man….a sweep would have been nice
Has that one stupid fan been screaming all night long? Thats all he was doing during the pitch for M’s at bats this innning and it really ticked me off.
Well, at least Chris Ray got the loss.
Jamie Wright, no hits and a 0.00 ERA…. OR…. Chris Ray, 6 hits and 4 runs with a 6.76 ERA in 4 innings pitched……. and for fun let’s throw in that he got Bautista to foul out the game earlier which I’m sure Jose didn’t forget……………… Let’s go with Ray! Hey Wedge, don’t come on your post game and say Ray just didn’t have it today. Because from what I’ve seen he looked rather consistent from his previous outings. Dump him!
Ray basically got the setup job when it was decided Aardsma would be out and League was closing. He won it out of spring training, that’s why he is pitching the 8th instead of someone else. With his performance though I wouldn’t be surprised to see him DFA’d before too long.
The three games COMBINED wouldn’t have filled Safeco once – and that’s with both Felix and Pineda pitching. Think management is getting the message yet?
Yes they did. They’ll be cutting payroll to $60m next year.
Regarding the front office: I’m not sure what they can do to fix things. It’s easy to say that they need to win in order to attract fans, but how do you turn this team into a winner next year?
Without enough money coming in, I doubt they really have the ability to sign a couple of mega free agents. Moreover there’s nothing that guarantees that anybody you sign is actually going to perform. See: Figgins, Chone.
Unfortunately I think it’s going to take a couple of years to get back to the point that the M’s are attractive to casual fans no matter how smart our front office is.
Actually, it’ll probably only take a winning season.
Before we start panicking about the bullpen there are a couple of things we should remember, 1) we generally try to look beyond results and look at the underlying numbers to exclude uncontrolable factors like luck, 2) we try not to get too carried away on small sample sizes.
Based on FIP the M’s have the best bullpen in the AL West, and the Angels are terrible. Based on ERA the Angels have the best bullpen in the American League. It’s too early to tell.
Team ERA/FIP/xFIP
Mariners 5.46/3.60/4.10
Athletics 3.26/3.78/3.32
Rangers 2.76/4.47/4.73
Angels 2.45/5.64/5.07
I don’t think that anyone is arguing that our bullpen is terrible. We are just saying that Chris Ray is terrible.
One thing they could do to lure fans back is lower prices on everything. Let’s say I own a strip club and used to feature surgically enhanced aerobic workout freak dance majors, but now I’m putting old stretch-marked C-sectioned meth tweaking biker chum and scrawny abused farm girls in need of orthodontia up on stage; should I start charging even more money or consider lowering my prices?
We are just saying that Chris Ray is terrible.
Chris Ray has a BABIP of .455, a 61.9 % Ground ball rate, and a 25.0 %HR/FB rate so far this season.
Based on that its quite possible he is really good, and has just been the victim of some bad luck. The truth is none of those stats are typical for him, he has a career .277 BABIP, a 40% GB rate, and rather average 10% HR/FB rate. So unless he has changed is repertoire or is injured, you haven’t seen Chris Ray yet.
Nobody is calling for Felix to be sent down to Tacoma after the 7 innings he pitched Monday night. Don’t be ready to DFA Ray based on his 4.2 innings, especially with that BABIP screaming “BAD LUCK”.
Once upon a time you would have been banned here for making that argument without looking at Ray’s underlying stats.
I miss Derek.
You’ve made a very good point there, and while I wasn’t the immediate previous poster – I was guilty of not looking at this for Ray even though I complained about him. Which is pretty terrible since it was the first thing I looked at when Olivo put up good numbers the first couple of games (and an absurdly high BABIP was present in that case as well).
Kazinski…he also owns a career FIP of 4.60 (xFIP of 4.51) and has been good for .07 WAR over his career (253 Innings), so while his BABIP for this year screams “BAD LUCK” his career stats and overall resume scream “MEH”. I don’t think theres anything lost by DFAing him, especially if they bring up one of the kids from Tacoma to take his roster spot.
Somebody is going to be sent down when Aardsma is back, and it may well be Chris Ray, and he may have earned a demotion by then.
I’m just saying making a judgment on Chris Ray this early in the season based on his results rather than the underlying numbers is wrong. If someone had told you our RH setup man would have a 61%GB rate two weeks into the season, I think most people here would be ecstatic, and want him to move into the closers spot, or wonder if we could convert him to a starter.
I understand, and IDK what the person you were originally replying to’s reasons behind wanting Ray gone, but speaking for myself, its not only the bad (albiet luck driven) results thus far in THIS season, but a pattern of “Meh” over the course of his career. From my POV, if we’re going to have to deal with a terrible bullpen this season, then I’d at least rather it be terrible in a productive manner with guys like Cortes, Fields, etc getting innings and growing from the things they do wrong, as opposed to washed up never was’s like Ray and Wright getting blown up every other day and taking nothing from it but a loss. Knowwhatimean?