Game 74, Mariners At Nationals

Dave · June 22, 2011 at 12:24 pm · Filed Under Mariners 

Bedard vs Lannan, 4:05 pm.

Excited to see what Dustin Ackley might do tonight? Tough luck for you, as he’s not in the starting line-up. The Nationals are throwing a lefty, so Eric Wedge is going to take the opportunity to get Jack Wilson some playing time. I understand not wanting to make Wilson strictly a defensive replacement (especially if they’re trying to get other teams to trade for him), but it seems like there are other ways you could get Wilson in the line-up:

1. Give Brendan Ryan a day off at SS
2. Use Wilson at 2B when the team returns home, allowing Ackley to still serve as the DH.

Dustin Ackley is the best hitter on this roster not named Justin Smoak or Ichiro – he should play with a similar amount of regularity as those two. Get Jack Wilson playing time at someone else’s expense, as there are enough guys on this roster that deserve a seat on the bench. Just let Ackley play – he’s the most exciting part of this team right now, and he helps you win baseball games.

At least facing a lefty means we’re not going to be subject to watching Carlos Peguero flail helplessly tonight. Hopefully the organization is close to realizing that he has no business on this roster, and takes him away from Eric Wedge before we waste too many more plate appearances on him.

Ichiro, RF
Ryan, SS
Smoak, 1B
Olivo, C
Gutierrez, CF
Halman, LF
Figgins, 3B
Wilson, 2B
Bedard, P

Comments

279 Responses to “Game 74, Mariners At Nationals”

  1. darthbuhner on June 22nd, 2011 12:39 pm

    Wow. Pulling our hottest hitter out of the lineup? The day after the genius move of sending in League in a non-save situation (even though data strongly suggests that closers’ ERAs explode in non-save situations).

    Not liking you this week, Wedge.

  2. msfanmike on June 22nd, 2011 12:43 pm

    It’s just a silly decision to not start Ackley today.

    Wedge, what the hell are you thinking?

    If Wilson has to play, put him at 3B today … for craps sake. Ackley doesn’t need the rookie treatment nor does he need a day off already against a lefty. Certainly not this lefty.

  3. Dave on June 22nd, 2011 12:50 pm

    You’re seriously arguing that Brandon League, who has been “a closer” for all of two months, was mentally unprepared to pitch with a four run lead after being a middle reliever for his entire career?

    Seriously?

  4. griffin on June 22nd, 2011 12:53 pm

    Wilson and Figgins in the lineup together? Hmm. Wedge must be pretty confident that Texas will lose tonight, so he isn’t worried about dropping more games behind them, right?

  5. Ibuprofen on June 22nd, 2011 12:56 pm

    Wait, wasn’t Ackley hitting LHP better than RHP in Tacoma? If that’s the case, what the hell Wedge?

  6. groundzero55 on June 22nd, 2011 12:58 pm

    It already seemed clear Ackley was probably going to get a day off per week. It’s not as big a deal as everyone is making it out to be. And definitely tempered by the fact that Peguero is out of the lineup.

    Face it, any contending team should be able to sit any one player for a day a week and not have to worry about the consequences.

    And League…what happened was mostly bad luck. I wouldn’t call it an implosion. Remember, all those runs ended up being unearned.

  7. Paul B on June 22nd, 2011 1:01 pm

    And definitely tempered by the fact that Peguero is out of the lineup.

    I’ll see your Peggy out and raise you with a Figgy in.

  8. Glen on June 22nd, 2011 1:13 pm

    Wedge is showing more and more that he just isn’t up to managing a MLB team.

  9. The_Waco_Kid on June 22nd, 2011 1:19 pm

    Ackley will be a PH hero tonight. That’s my prediction.

  10. MrZDevotee on June 22nd, 2011 1:21 pm

    I was one who didn’t like using closers in non-save situations either, but did a little research and discovered the difference is pretty negligible when considered league wide (though real by a .25 run, which may actually be WITHIN the margin of error?).

    *********
    Via Eric Seidman
    Last year I conducted a study on closers, pooling together all seasons with at least 15 saves from 1980-2007. The query offered 696 pitcher-years and 220 unique game-savers, but the analysis of their stats in and out of save situations was a solid first step at best. The results, which were deemed viable via a paired samples t-test that compares the means of two different variables, showed that closers did post somewhat improved rates in their save opportunities. The discrepancies in the rate stats measured (ERA, K/9, BB/9), though they were significant, differed only by plus or minus 0.25 units per nine innings.

    ************

    Although there do appear to be a few folks for which being successful appears to require some He-man Macho thing to pitch their best (the dreaded “closer’s mindset”– myth?):

    Ryan Madson (PHI) -
    On May 24th, the Phillies closer came into a game having not surrendered a single earned run in a save situation all season. With Madson coming off 7 straight save situations (all successful), Phillies Manager Charlie Manuel brought him into a tie game in the 9th inning. The closer promptly gave up 3 runs on 3 hits in 1 inning pitched.

    J.J. Putz (ARI) -
    Putz, acquired in the off-season to fill the closers role for the Diamondbacks, has fared very well in the role converting all 14 of his save chances so far in 2011. Although he sports a nifty 0.64 ERA in save situations, he has seen that stat jump to 3.86 when not in a position to get a save.

    Drew Storen (WAS)
    -
    After getting the chance to close games over the final third of 2010, Storen has locked down the role this season pitching very well along the way, sporting a fantastic 0.75 ERA when closing out games. When brought into games in non-save situations however, his ERA increases almost a run and a half.

    Brian Wilson (SF) -
    Wilson, considered by many to be the premier closer in the game entering this season has delivered exactly as advertised iby saving games with a 1.98 ERA and a stellar 11.2 K/9. However, when used in non-save situations his ERA skyrockets to 5.79 and his K/9 plummets all the way to a bewildering 5.8.

    John Axford (MIL) -
    Not one to buck the trend, when appearing in ballgames where the game isn’t on the line, Axford’s ERA increases by a full run and his K/9 drops by 5.

    Jose Valverde (DET) -
    Indeed the “Papa Grande” of the non-save situation, Valverde’s stats are mind-boggling. When saving games, he sports an impressive stat line: .98 ERA, 0.90 WHIP, 13.1 K/9 and a K/BB ratio of 4.00. Those are some extraordinary numbers. When games are not close however, Jim Leyland should really consider leaving Jose in the bullpen. When Valverde pitches in non-save situations, his stat line gets ugly: 6.30 ERA, 1.80 WHIP, 4.5 K/9 and with a K/BB rate of .83, he walks more than he strikes out.

    So, it’s a classic “look hard enough you’ll find what you want to find” sort of (presumably) myth.

  11. seattlesonsofbaseball on June 22nd, 2011 1:23 pm

    Ugh… seeing Ackley out of the lineup and Figgins in just makes me sick. I know they theoretically aren’t connected in their positions, but with Ackley out and Figgins in AND playing a NL team, that means Kennedy is sitting too. Ackley and Kennedy, combined for 4 hits and 3 RBI’s last night are sitting! Well, there goes the whole “shake last night’s game off” mentality. Looks like we very well could be saying tomorrow, shake off the last two games! LET ACKLEY PLAY!!!

  12. MrZDevotee on June 22nd, 2011 1:25 pm

    (I forgot to credit those individual guys’ stats as being compiled by squidoo.com, or somebody there, whose name wasn’t listed)

  13. robbbbbb on June 22nd, 2011 1:27 pm

    Y’know, if the M’s could get a real RH DH, they could turn loose of Peguero and run a hard R/L platoon at three spots:

    LF: Carp/Halman, with Halman in late for defense
    3B: Figgins/Kennedy
    DH: Cust/New guy

    That’d not only give them the best lineup to win on a daily basis, but also give them some interesting pinch-hitting options late.

  14. spankystout on June 22nd, 2011 1:29 pm

    No Ackley!?!? Come on boys–gather your pitchforks and torches and we can demonstrate our discontent Canada-style. :)

    I hope this is one of the last times Wilson and Figgins are in the lineup together.

  15. MrZDevotee on June 22nd, 2011 1:31 pm

    Glen-

    Wedge is showing more and more that he just isn’t up to managing a MLB team.

    So, in your estimation, what record should a guy managing this talent level have accomplished by this time of the season? Just curious… Y’know, if his decisions:

    a) matter
    b) are bad

    (Sorry, the sarcasm is meant in good taste and only to make you think– “oh wait, we’re doing probably better than we should, aren’t we? So how could we possibly measure Wedge’s ineptitude so far this season?”)

    Personally, I think what he’s done is pretty darn amazing (Bradley gone, Figgins sitting and batting low, rookies– even bad ones– contributing in limited at bats, pitchers all doing well, those that weren’t back in Tacoma– Leuke/Wilhelmson, etc.), and I also expect PLENTY of Manager of the Year nods, depending on where we end up in the rankings.

  16. tylerv on June 22nd, 2011 1:32 pm

    More Peguero hate… Dave sometimes you are flat wrong and obnoxiously so. Sure he has alot to learn, but the endless bashing is tiresome. Ive read you alot over the years and you are wrong about as often as right about judging unknown talent. Morse for Langerhans? Etc…

  17. spankystout on June 22nd, 2011 1:36 pm

    Peguero sucks–stop making him sound better than he is.

  18. The_Waco_Kid on June 22nd, 2011 1:37 pm

    Wak was apparently an amazing manager in 09 and a terrible one in 2010. Dave has rightly said that evaluating management is almost impossible.

  19. Glen on June 22nd, 2011 1:38 pm

    Personally, I think what he’s done is pretty darn amazing (Bradley gone, Figgins sitting and batting low, rookies– even bad ones– contributing in limited at bats, pitchers all doing well, those that weren’t back in Tacoma– Leuke/Wilhelmson, etc.), and I also expect PLENTY of Manager of the Year nods, depending on where we end up in the rankings.

    Wait, so you are saying that Wedge is responsible for the players doing what they are are expected to do–or, in most cases, less than what they are expected to do?

    Based on Wedges decisions on the field (lineups), they have been sketchy at best all season. Most of these decisions have been discussed ad nauseum, so I don’t think I have to go into each decision here. Having the top organizational prospect sitting after four games is just the cherry on top.

  20. Ichirolling51 on June 22nd, 2011 1:41 pm

    I keep telling my self that yesterday was some sick twisted nighmare that didn’t happen. Can someone please reassure me?

  21. Chris_From_Bothell on June 22nd, 2011 1:43 pm

    Face it, any contending team should be able to sit any one player for a day a week and not have to worry about the consequences.

    Any one player except Ichiro, apparently.

  22. MrZDevotee on June 22nd, 2011 1:44 pm

    Tyler-
    Is he brash, sure… Wrong? That’s a tough one… Were the Morse results wrong? Sure, to possibly…

    BUT! When judging players by statistical analysis in baseball (ie, an anaylsis based on interpreting prior results in a way that might predict future performance) the results may not be what you expected, but the analysis as a whole can still be sound… (Maybe that’s what diehard stats guys enjoy, to some extent– there’s less opportunity to actually be “wrong” even if the results end up being different than expected? You get to “stick your neck out” in a safer way)

    Extreme case in point:

    Winning the lottery. If the odds are something like 26 million to one, and only 10 million people play– well statitistically, you’re screwed. But people still win. Even if statistically, at the individual level, they don’t really have a believable chance (despite the “some lucky dog is gonna win” campaign).

    It would be a little silly to vainly declare– “See, I TOLD YOU I would win! I knew it!”

    (Personally, I get a kick out of watching Peguero play, and have been chastised about it, but I can admit that finding a guy to replace him, with better performance characteristics, would be A LOT easier to do than winning the lottery… a LOT!) *laugh*

  23. vj on June 22nd, 2011 1:51 pm

    From the reference material section on the left:
    Evaluating Managers, by the esteemed Derek Zumsteg.
    I have not checked Wedge vs. Derek’s criteria but suspect that he fares better than some think if you go by them.

  24. MrZDevotee on June 22nd, 2011 1:52 pm

    Glen-
    (sigh)
    Okay, different perspective… And can you answer the question this time, honestly– not in politically moo shoo gobbly-gook (that you “don’t need to go into”). ***I’ve read often here that making blanket statements without supporting them is discouraged***

    Different question then, if you’re not prepared to give Wedge ANY credit for player perfomances, but yet want to accuse him of being bad at decision making…

    (See, this goes back to the last question, you didn’t answer– if his decisions don’t matter, how do you measure how bad they are??? I digress)…

    Okay, okay… Let’s say, if YOU had made all the decisions, then, how much better could we reasonably expect our record to be?

    ((((Or again, in simpler terms– if a team is performing better than anyone reasonably expected, how do you determine that the manager is making awful decisions?)))

    **And again, seriously, not trying to be combatitve, just seems illogical to me**

  25. Arron on June 22nd, 2011 1:52 pm

    Mike Morse sucks…

  26. Westside guy on June 22nd, 2011 1:52 pm

    MrZ, that’s interesting about the guys who apparently do better under pressure – it could be true, and it could just be what you’d expect statistically, I just don’t know. Of course if you found a comparable number of closers who do BETTER in a low-leverage situation – as you would expect, if it’s just a statistical distribution – those people will unfairly be branded as “lacking the mental toughness necessary to close”. :-D

    I don’t totally discount the “closer’s mentality” though. I find it easy to believe that some ballplayers are their own worst enemy (e.g. Jose Mesa when he was our closer; Michael Saunders when he’s batting, *cough*Ayala*cough*). But I’d want to see proof in career numbers rather than single-season numbers (although I’m lazy enough to wait for someone else to grab them… hehe).

  27. groundzero55 on June 22nd, 2011 1:53 pm

    For those who advocate all these LF/DH/3B etc platoons, platooning just means you don’t have someone good enough to play every day. We shouldn’t WANT to be platooning players. It’s one thing to have a 4th outfielder or backup infielder but needing two players just to play a single position is pathetic.

    Based on Wedges decisions on the field (lineups), they have been sketchy at best all season.

    You can’t play all the best players every day. It’s the manager’s responsibility to give players days off, and to juggle the lineup when players aren’t responding. Say what you will but sitting Ichi for a day seems to have worked. It’s also a perfectly legitimate call for younger players to start out batting low in the order and to be moved up as they gain experience. Smoak is now batting 3/4 and Ackley has moved from 7/8 to 5 and will likely go higher. Wedge has done enough things right that he is already in the running for Manager of the Year and I don’t think any armchair manager could do better given what he has to work with. And as I already said, it was the plan all along for Ackley to sit about once a week. It’s not the end of the world and NO team should depend on one guy to make the difference between contending and choking.

  28. spankystout on June 22nd, 2011 1:55 pm

    Peguero’s awesome looking 2011 stats:
    .285 wOBA
    80 wRC+
    -.2 WAR
    46% o-swing
    -7.3 wFB (can’t hit a fastball)

  29. groundzero55 on June 22nd, 2011 1:57 pm

    Peguero is like the Bucky Jacobsen of the offspeed pitch

  30. tylerv on June 22nd, 2011 1:57 pm

    MrZDevotee- I get it, I get it. Statistical analysis, but more than that. It was on this blog that I first read Clement was slow with the wood.

    I just think it’s more tasteful to be respectable of an unknown. Everybody’s got their favs and least favs, apparently, and it’s Dave’s blog so whatever. But I got to point out that there’s alot of subjectivity on this one. As in future talent, not current talent. This is the only place that I hear P will never be a good major leager. I just don’t trust the outlook around here all that much with some types of players.

  31. MrZDevotee on June 22nd, 2011 1:58 pm

    (pointing Glen to Arron’s statement that “Mike Morse sucks”)

    See… THAT’s how you make an argument. (hee, hee)

  32. PackBob on June 22nd, 2011 2:00 pm

    If Ackley were in Tacoma, he’d be playing every day. He dosen’t appear to be affected at all by the “speed” of The Show, so often cited as giving rookies problems. Other than I want to see more ABs, and I don’t want to wait to see them, it’s Wedge’s team and that’s where the buck stops. Ehh.

    What really bothers me is the extended look given to Peguero. He can be exciting and fun, with a healthy dose of goofey, and coachable according to what we hear, but I’d much rather see Cust getting his ABs, and Pegureo down in AAA to work on his approach.

  33. Chris_From_Bothell on June 22nd, 2011 2:00 pm

    No Ackley, no Kennedy, Guti batting higher than 7th, Figgins in… geez, might as well put in Peguero, Cust and Gimenez and really call it a day.

  34. MrZDevotee on June 22nd, 2011 2:02 pm

    Westy-
    I think in Putz’s case it all boils down to AC/DC… I presume they don’t play it during tie games, or losing games when he comes in– so JJ is unable to perform his best with Australian hard rock music to cue him. (Maybe he hears the Bee Gees in his mind, otherwise?) *ha*

  35. Edgar4Hall on June 22nd, 2011 2:03 pm

    I’m glad that some people are backing up Wedge cause it seems that is lambasted an incredibly unfair amount. He was given a piece of crap lineup with maybe two guys who can hit a homer more than ten times a year, moved Figgins down the line up and has even gotten Peguero of all people get dome production. Yeah he might have some flaws but he’s produced a toughness in this team that has not been seen for a long time.
    I think that the biggest thing for manager, coach or other leader is to get people to buy into his system and his is all about toughness and players have bought in and won. Has he put them in a position to win each game? Hell no but what manager can? But I think he has instilled a belief in his team to win.

    Plus how can you hate a person with that glorious of a mustache? :)

  36. groundzero55 on June 22nd, 2011 2:05 pm

    What really bothers me is the extended look given to Peguero. He can be exciting and fun, with a healthy dose of goofey, and coachable according to what we hear, but I’d much rather see Cust getting his ABs, and Pegureo down in AAA to work on his approach.

    Agreed…but I think Peguero sticks around until the front office makes that LF trade we have been hearing about, especially with the Ludwick rumblings lately. Then I think he goes back to AAA with Halman staying as 4th outfielder.

  37. Chris_From_Bothell on June 22nd, 2011 2:05 pm

    I’m glad that some people are backing up Wedge cause it seems that is lambasted an incredibly unfair amount.

    Hear hear. Especially since last night was Smoak’s fault.

  38. MrZDevotee on June 22nd, 2011 2:11 pm

    PackBob-
    I think it’s pretty safe to say at this point that Peguero might just be a AAAA player… His size, power, and bat speed are enough to play decently against guys who can’t dominate him (ie, AAA/AA pitchers, who don’t have the stuff yet to “dominate”), yet at the Majors level he’s too narrow in his abilities to NOT be dominated more often than not…

    I think therein might lie the REAL dilemma with Peguero– there’s nothing to gain by going back to Tacoma, he’s either gonna figure it out, or no longer be in the organization (along with some other guys, too, probably– Saunders, Carp, Halman, etc)…

    I think it’s a new stage of our organization that none of us are used to– attrition. Now that we have a bonafide farm system, with guys moving up throughout, some of the guys at the top will have to prove they can cut it, or go away to make room for the “risers” below them.

    This is what leads me to believe (since we have NO real LF) these guys are getting the opportunity to show they can play at this level, and if not, it’s probably the end of the road.

    It’s also a new perspective, perhaps, that we don’t want guys who have spent enough time at AAA, to still be at AAA taking up space for the AA guys who deserve to move up (creating a roadblock in the system)…

    “Sink or Swim”! (The new Mariners development motto *laugh*)

  39. groundzero55 on June 22nd, 2011 2:15 pm

    I think it’s a new stage of our organization that none of us are used to– attrition. Now that we have a bonafide farm system, with guys moving up throughout, some of the guys at the top will have to prove they can cut it, or go away to make room for the “risers” below them.

    And FINALLY, after struggling through Bavasi’s legacy, this means we have pieces to trade without having to “mortgage the future.”

  40. flashbeak on June 22nd, 2011 2:22 pm

    More Peguero hate… Dave sometimes you are flat wrong and obnoxiously so. Sure he has alot to learn, but the endless bashing is tiresome. Ive read you alot over the years and you are wrong about as often as right about judging unknown talent. Morse for Langerhans? Etc…

    Peguero sucks. He absolutely, utterly sucks.

    Really, you use Morse for Langerhans as your one concrete example? This, my friend, is what they call hindsight bias. Morse was nothing more than a mediocre gap hitter with a couple of performance enhancing drug violations at the time that we traded him. He had no position because he was terrible everywhere defensively, and his bat was not nearly sufficient to justify making him an everyday first baseman. At the time, Langerhans fit a big need for the Mariners, and Mike Morse was an expendable piece. If you say that you could’ve seen this coming, then you’re lying and debatably crazy, because there isn’t one scout in existence that saw a major league slugger in Morse.

  41. Arron on June 22nd, 2011 2:27 pm

    Nobody still sees a major league slugger in Morse…he sucks…

    But not as bad as Peguero…

  42. tylerv on June 22nd, 2011 2:38 pm

    Hi flashbeak-
    Yeah, hindsight bias, but my point isn’t to say anyone knew, so this isn’t about hindsight bias. I’m saying, from reading this blog for years, these guys sure do miss alot of prospects. And yes, I can use hindsight because there are plenty of prospects they’ve missed (I have a life so I’m not going to look them up) and Peguero has alot of tools, so it’s smart ass of anyone to say he sucks. Maybe now as he’s still learning, but if he puts just a little together with his choices and pitch recognition, he can be a quality player for a number of years for a minimal fee. He’s a prospect with more upside than most.

  43. groundzero55 on June 22nd, 2011 2:41 pm

    He’s a prospect with some upside but he isn’t major league ready. That’s the whole point. He should not be in the majors, he should be in Tacoma working on said upside.

  44. BillyJive on June 22nd, 2011 2:42 pm

    MIke Morse sucks? Ease up on the Budweisers!

  45. Chris_From_Bothell on June 22nd, 2011 2:46 pm

    Peguero sucks. He absolutely, utterly sucks.

    His numbers this season are nearly identical to Cust’s, with the exception of the walks (less, obviously) and the homeruns (more, obviously). Defense is probably a wash, as you likely wouldn’t put Cust in left field any more than you want to see Peguero there right now.

    So I assume Cust absolutely, utterly sucks also.

  46. plyka on June 22nd, 2011 2:47 pm

    I think all of us would LOVE to see Ack in the line-up. HOwever, it’s a bit unfair to go all crazy because he isn’t in. There are things more important to Wedge and the management than 1 game (which Ack MAY make a difference in). They probably want to give him the soft landing so many people speak of.

    I for one don’t think it makes any difference if you give the guy a soft landing or not, but that’s where Wedge is coming from I believe.

  47. Glen on June 22nd, 2011 2:51 pm

    Yeah, hindsight bias, but my point isn’t to say anyone knew, so this isn’t about hindsight bias.

    So you would rather have Morse than Smoak at 1B?

    Michael Morse had been having cups of coffee with the Mariners since 2005, and hadn’t shown anything of significance.

    In 337 PA during that time, he had a total of 3 HR and a wOBA of .328 with below average plate discipline.

    Every sign pointed to him being a replacement level player if he ever played full time. Add the multiple PED findings, and I am sure the Mariners leadership group found it justifiable to get him out of the system.

  48. Arron on June 22nd, 2011 2:51 pm

    I only drink light beer ; )

    And yes he sucks…he has ZERO defensive value, plays 1B now because of it and is only starting because of LaRoche’s injury, and has good numbers hitting in the National League.

    Put him back in the AL and he’s a right handed DH whose numbers would come back to reality after facing better competition.

  49. groundzero55 on June 22nd, 2011 2:55 pm

    Peguero – .200 BA, .257 OBP
    Cust – .214 BA, .359 OBP

    Generally having over 100 points higher OBP is going to be more valuable to the team, and I don’t think that’s a huge stretch.

  50. flashbeak on June 22nd, 2011 2:55 pm

    His numbers this season are nearly identical to Cust’s

    Could you point out to me where I advocated for more Cust AB’s? Because I didn’t once mention Cust in my post.

    Either way (now that you brought him up), even though Cust can’t hit the ball out of the ballpark anymore, his consistent on-base skills automatically make him a better hitter than Peguero, who is completely helpless at the plate.

    Cust – .314 wOBA / 100 wRC+
    Peguero – .285 wOBA / 80 wRC+

    Cust isn’t a good player or an ideal option for DH by any means, but I sure as hell am more confident in him than I am in Peguero.

  51. Glen on June 22nd, 2011 2:59 pm

    Chris in Bothell,

    His numbers this season are nearly identical to Cust’s, with the exception of the walks (less, obviously) and the homeruns (more, obviously). Defense is probably a wash, as you likely wouldn’t put Cust in left field any more than you want to see Peguero there right now.

    So I assume Cust absolutely, utterly sucks also.

    Not anymore. While they were equal for awhile, Peguero has been on a nosedive for the last 10 days. At that point they were within .002 of wOBA, within 1 of wRC+, and within .2 of WAR, now Cust leads in wOBA (.314 – .285), wRC+ (100 – 80) and WAR (.1 – (-).2).

    While Peguero has become more patient at the plate, he has stopped hitting the fastball. This may be because he has begun thinking more at the plate, making him sit more between the FB and offspeed pitches, and ultimately unable to catch up to the MLB FB. Alternately (and most likely), MLB pitchers have found a hole in his ginormous swing and have begun to exploit it to their advantage.

  52. Arron on June 22nd, 2011 2:59 pm

    Bottom line is NEITHER Cust or Peguero should be in Seattle. Cust should be cut and Peguero sent to Tacoma to work on figuring out the difference b/w a ball and a strike.

    Ideally Z makes two moves to fix the problem by bringing in new players, so we will just have to wait and see.

  53. plyka on June 22nd, 2011 3:01 pm

    Peguero sucks. He absolutely, utterly sucks.

    Really, you use Morse for Langerhans as your one concrete example? This, my friend, is what they call hindsight bias. Morse was nothing more than a mediocre gap hitter with a couple of performance enhancing drug violations at the time that we traded him. He had no position because he was terrible everywhere defensively, and his bat was not nearly sufficient to justify making him an everyday first baseman. At the time, Langerhans fit a big need for the Mariners, and Mike Morse was an expendable piece. If you say that you could’ve seen this coming, then you’re lying and debatably crazy, because there isn’t one scout in existence that saw a major league slugger in Morse.

    You are making his point for him, lol. HIs point wasn’t that he knew Morse was the better player, but rather that it is very difficult to know such things about the FUTURE of a player with such certainty. Peguero may indeed stay at his current level, but for all the people copying Dave and claiming that he is horrible and will stay horrible without doubt, the point is, you DON’T KNOW. Hence the reason making such claims is not sound.

    Perhaps when a player is in his prime you can say he is horrible and wiil most likely stay horrible. But for a player just getting into the bigs, at a YOUNG age, and who also has some great tools, to claim that he is not a major league player and will never be a major league player, is asinine.

  54. tylerv on June 22nd, 2011 3:02 pm

    Glen-

    I’m not making a hindsight point for Morse. I’m saying I like Peguero as a prospect and I’m not ok with the disrespect towards his future.

    Yes, put him in AAA, just keep an eye on him in the future. I bet he puts together a couple good seasons someday.

  55. Carson on June 22nd, 2011 3:03 pm

    Via Larry Stone:

    Wedge on Ackley day off: “He’s been playing ever since he got up here. It will be a good chance to watch the guys.”

    So he can learn how to be a lousy hitter? Good call, Wedge.

  56. groundzero55 on June 22nd, 2011 3:06 pm

    I’d still rather have Cust in the lineup than Figgins.

    Only difference is, we owe Figgy a lot more money therefore he’s a lot less likely to be cut.

    Cust could still be useful to a team in a smaller ballpark. How many times has he flown out to our warning track? Just because he doesn’t have good power doesn’t mean he’s not a decent baseball player. Hopefully we can trade him and see more of Carp at the DH spot…I still feel like we’ve hardly seen him.

  57. Chris_From_Bothell on June 22nd, 2011 3:08 pm

    Glen – Ah, ok. My data was out of date. They had nearly identical wOBAs last I looked in. I didn’t realize the last few days had been that horrible.

    Yeah. Tacoma time for the left field puppy. I’m sure there will be room for him in September callups when the Ms are in their playoff stretch drive…

  58. Ichirolling51 on June 22nd, 2011 3:10 pm

    Well I’m going to use the 7-8-9 portion of this lineup as a time to take a bathroom break, or go grab a cold one out of the fridge.

  59. Carson on June 22nd, 2011 3:12 pm

    Well I’m going to use the 7-8-9 portion of this lineup as a time to take a bathroom break, or go grab a cold one out of the fridge.

    I hope you have quick mobility.

  60. Glen on June 22nd, 2011 3:12 pm

    Glen-
    I’m not making a hindsight point for Morse. I’m saying I like Peguero as a prospect and I’m not ok with the disrespect towards his future.
    Yes, put him in AAA, just keep an eye on him in the future. I bet he puts together a couple good seasons someday.

    We may be arguing the same point then. While Morse had been given 5 years to show what he had and could not take advantage of it, Peguero has been given 113 PA (and much of his value was determined after the first week) to prove what he can provide. A BABIP of .243 isn’t currently helping his cause with a career minor BABIP of over .350.

    Strangely, Peguero also only had 113 PA in AAA (for some reason I thought he had much more), so it is completely understandable for him to need more time in AAA.

  61. Chris_From_Bothell on June 22nd, 2011 3:12 pm

    So he can learn how to be a lousy hitter? Good call, Wedge.

    Admittedly, Ackley has looked pretty wide-eyed and nervous up there, even though his performance hasn’t shown it at all. (Something in that post-game interview after his first game about being so dazed at finally being in the bigs the bat never left his shoulder on the first pitch to him…)

    Even though he’s off to a great start, if there’s even a possibility of making it seem like he’s here to be the savior of the offense, and thus putting too much pressure on him, fine, a day off. Wedge knows the clubhouse better, something in his eyes, blahdiblah.

    I don’t want to see a minor repeat of the “Clement and Balentien will save the offense and thus the season” sort of thing.

  62. joealb1 on June 22nd, 2011 3:12 pm

    Not to pile on Mike Morse but what Arron said plus, would the M’s really want a right handed DH/1B who can’t play defense and would have some of his power sapped in Safco? Not to mention Peggy’s contact rate. Contact has to be made to hit. Peggy does not make contact when he swings nearly enough to be in the majors. Let him work on that at AAA.

  63. Glen on June 22nd, 2011 3:20 pm

    Does anyone know of a site that give plate discipline by month? From LL’s post I saw that Peguero had been improving, but Fangraphs only breaks it down by year.

  64. Oly Dave on June 22nd, 2011 3:44 pm

    tylerv

    I’m saying I like Peguero as a prospect and I’m not ok with the disrespect towards his future.

    We get it, you like Peguero. If he ever gets to the point where he shows that he can actually recognize a hittable pitch Dave might be the first person to say he has a future. He just hasn’t shown that. And he shouldn’t be in the Majors until he does.

  65. Ibuprofen on June 22nd, 2011 4:07 pm

    Well that is not an encouraging start to this game.

  66. greentunic on June 22nd, 2011 4:19 pm

    We won the inverse lottery with Figgins.

  67. Ibuprofen on June 22nd, 2011 4:19 pm

    e_e

    Figgins.

  68. jordan on June 22nd, 2011 4:19 pm

    Figgins is just playing with gobs of confidence right now

  69. tylerv on June 22nd, 2011 4:23 pm

    The Mariners have never beaten the Nationals.

  70. Arron on June 22nd, 2011 4:26 pm

    We can all debate about LF and DH all we want be I hope we can agree that Figgins is the biggest problem…

  71. Paul B on June 22nd, 2011 4:27 pm

    Does anyone know of a site that give plate discipline by month?

    Did you try the splits on baseball-reference?

  72. greentunic on June 22nd, 2011 4:28 pm

    be consistent ump. sheesh

  73. Edgar4Hall on June 22nd, 2011 4:30 pm

    Arron I totally agree. Peguero in LF> Figgins anywhere near the Mariners

  74. nvn8vbryce on June 22nd, 2011 4:31 pm

    be consistent ump. sheesh

    Well, if the ump’s not consistent, at least the M’s are!

  75. Ibuprofen on June 22nd, 2011 4:32 pm

    Oh wow, Halman was safe.

  76. Carson on June 22nd, 2011 4:32 pm

    Great call, blue.

    http://yfrog.com/kf3ekaxj

  77. jordan on June 22nd, 2011 4:34 pm

    Wow john lannon looks like lance berkman

  78. MrZDevotee on June 22nd, 2011 4:35 pm

    e_e

    Figgins

    something about that CRACKED me up… ‘Cause it made me think of e.e. cummings, a poet whom a lot of people think makes no sense, and don’t understand how he ever got popular…

    And somehow that idea lobbed upon Figgins clung to some dangly weird symbiosis…

    e_e figgins, the misunderstood and confusing poet of the infield.

    (thanks for the obtuse laugh)

  79. Glen on June 22nd, 2011 4:38 pm

    It’s funny – Root Sports has been crapping out all game long, but when it comes to commercials, they are all good!

  80. Paul B on June 22nd, 2011 4:39 pm

    Bedard: “Dear infielders: Relax, I’ll take care of everything”.

  81. Carson on June 22nd, 2011 4:41 pm

    Go away, Figgins.

  82. Glen on June 22nd, 2011 4:41 pm

    Figgins, you sir are a waste of air.

  83. jordan on June 22nd, 2011 4:41 pm

    Go away Figgins. Absolutely nobody likes you

  84. Dustbust on June 22nd, 2011 4:41 pm

    So glad the M’s are in the AL; there’s nothing worse than watching a pitcher flailing around with a bat. What a waste of time and energy for them.

    Ackley’s workload was predetermined, despite his production. As was his call up date.

  85. FELIXisKING on June 22nd, 2011 4:41 pm

    And now we trot out the fearsom 3rd inning due up of Wilson, Figgins, Bedard.

    I’d rather go at them with Hernandez, Pineda, Bedard, personally.

  86. MrZDevotee on June 22nd, 2011 4:42 pm

    Paul-
    How fun would it be, in lieu of the way some batters like to show up the pitcher with their homerun trots, well next inning when we take the field the infielders should just sit down on the dirt and fiddle with pebbles, not even watching the at bats as Bedard mows them down…

    Cocky sure, but man you’d make Sportscenter in a HEARTBEAT! *laugh*

  87. Westside guy on June 22nd, 2011 4:42 pm

    Not anymore. While they were equal for awhile, Peguero has been on a nosedive for the last 10 days. At that point they were within .002 of wOBA, within 1 of wRC+, and within .2 of WAR, now Cust leads in wOBA (.314 – .285), wRC+ (100 – 80) and WAR (.1 – (-).2).

    Okay, remind me never to defend Cust again. .1 WAR? (Goes and looks it up) Wow. .1 WAR.

  88. Carson on June 22nd, 2011 4:43 pm

    Wedge just trudged over to Ackley on the bench.

    “You learning anything yet from watching this game, kid?”

  89. mrnostalgia on June 22nd, 2011 4:44 pm

    Pretty sure the only way we could win is if Ichiro gets on and Smoak hits a bomb. Any other scoring combo is highly, highly unlikely.

  90. Ibuprofen on June 22nd, 2011 4:44 pm

    Bedard has had a better at bat than Figgins.

  91. Jamison_M on June 22nd, 2011 4:45 pm

    Erik Bedard is having a better at bat than Figgins.

  92. MrZDevotee on June 22nd, 2011 4:45 pm

    Bedard’s lackadaisacal style works AWESOME for the lovely experience of watching a pitcher bat… I REALLY wanna see Vargas hit, he’ll just watch the ball go by and then (without making eye contact with ANYTHING, sling the bat around slowly)…

  93. MrZDevotee on June 22nd, 2011 4:46 pm

    Wedge just trudged over to Ackley on the bench.

    “You learning anything yet from watching this game, kid?” WAKE UP!

    Fixed it for ya.

  94. Jamison_M on June 22nd, 2011 4:47 pm

    Pretty sure the only way we could win is if Ichiro gets on and Smoak hits a bomb. Any other scoring combo is highly, highly unlikely.

    Ackley will hopefully pinch hit… hopefully for Figgins and not Bedard.

  95. Ibuprofen on June 22nd, 2011 4:47 pm

    Wedge just trudged over to Ackley on the bench.

    “You learning anything yet from watching this game, kid?”

    Ackley: I should have been a third baseman?

  96. FELIXisKING on June 22nd, 2011 4:47 pm

    Has there been anything said about Ackley’s availability tonight? He better be the first one into the game off the bench.

  97. Paul B on June 22nd, 2011 4:48 pm

    I’m hoping the Mariners get a hit at some point.

  98. MrZDevotee on June 22nd, 2011 4:48 pm

    Carson-
    In the opposite corner of the dugout, Figgins and Peguero are getting hitting tips from Bedard… “How’d you foul all those pitches off… I mean, you make it hit the bat and everything… pretty cool!”

  99. KiWiNiNjA on June 22nd, 2011 4:50 pm

    So silly, Wedge.
    Sitting Ackley after 4 games, really?

    I like that we are over .500 and all, but Wedge is an idiot.

  100. MrZDevotee on June 22nd, 2011 4:50 pm

    I know it’s not even an hour of gametime yet, but man this thing feels like it’s dragging…

    (yawn)…

    Pitch…

    (stretch)
    Strikeout…

    (another yawn)
    “Are they up to bat, or are we up to bat?” Huh?

  101. jordan on June 22nd, 2011 4:55 pm

    You know how the M’s can save a boat load of money? Hire me to play third base. I can boot every ball hit to me and strike out every AB, no problem. In fact, having just played HS ball a few years ago playing third base, I’d like to think I might make a play here and there.

  102. MrZDevotee on June 22nd, 2011 4:56 pm

    Sitting Ackley after 4 games, really?… Wedge is an idiot.

    Ackley did have a pretty whirlwind first week, including his travel with Tacoma… And he was called up on a Mariner’s off day, but not an off day for Ackley, as I saw footage of him at Safeco taking infield, and being looked at by the coaching staff to see how he was handling 2nd… So the idea MIGHT have been to give him an earlier break than he did, but Wedge kept him in because of how he looked up there, and even moved him up a couple times…

    Would that still make him an idiot?

    (The consensus on the sitting, without any real knowledge of the thought process involved, seems to be “We want to see him play… If you sit him you’re an idiot”)

  103. Paul B on June 22nd, 2011 4:58 pm

    “We want to see him play… If you sit him you’re an idiot”)

    Yeah, that’s pretty much it. Combined with frustration with Figlet and Peguero.

  104. Ichirolling51 on June 22nd, 2011 4:58 pm

    I turn on the TV expecting to watch a ball game, and what do I get, the damn History Channel.

  105. MrZDevotee on June 22nd, 2011 4:58 pm

    Jordan-
    Or just have Brendan Ryan move a little closer to 3B, and play TWO DH’s (let the other guy rest in the dugout when we’re in the field)…

    Same effect defensively as Figgins in there.

  106. Ibuprofen on June 22nd, 2011 5:00 pm

    Smoak got us a hit!

  107. Ibuprofen on June 22nd, 2011 5:01 pm

    CLUTCHlivo!

  108. lalo on June 22nd, 2011 5:01 pm

    Olivo!!!!!!!!!

  109. Westside guy on June 22nd, 2011 5:01 pm

    Woo Miggy!

  110. mrnostalgia on June 22nd, 2011 5:02 pm

    Smoak!! Goodbye no-hitter, thank god!!

  111. KiWiNiNjA on June 22nd, 2011 5:02 pm

    Nah, Wedge is an idiot because us fans are stuck watching Figgins, rather than Ackley.

  112. KiWiNiNjA on June 22nd, 2011 5:03 pm

    Clean up hitter, Miguel Olivo.

  113. mrnostalgia on June 22nd, 2011 5:03 pm

    Dang, my radio stream isn’t live, it’s a little behind. Oh well, I’ll find out what Olivo did in a sec, can’t wait :)

  114. jordan on June 22nd, 2011 5:03 pm

    I like that cut earier to Jen Mueller: paraphrased

    “We are here infront of the capitol building… ealier we were ACTUALLY INSIDE! There is a lot of cool stuff in there.. you should check it out…

    Back to you”

    Cool story, Jen. Thanks.

  115. Glen on June 22nd, 2011 5:03 pm

    Mr.Z,

    True, but the team did just have an off (travel) day on Monday. He can’t be worn out yet.

  116. just a fan on June 22nd, 2011 5:03 pm

    I cannot believe the hand-wringing over Wedge give Ackley one day off. Tomorrow is a day game, then a long, Bono-induced cross country flight.

    If this becomes a trend with Ackley, then OK. But one day? Ballplayers get days off all the time. Dave Cameron seems to be in overreact mode these days.

  117. Edgar4Hall on June 22nd, 2011 5:04 pm

    MrZ that would actually make a more effective infield

    So glad the M’s are in the AL; there’s nothing worse than watching a pitcher flailing around with a bat. What a waste of time and energy for them.

    And don’t we already have Figgins to do that?

  118. Glen on June 22nd, 2011 5:05 pm

    I cannot believe the hand-wringing over Wedge give Ackley one day off. Tomorrow is a day game, then a long, Bono-induced cross country flight.

    A day off is fine; but a day off after four games and a day off is ridiculous for a supposed future everyday player.

  119. Ichirolling51 on June 22nd, 2011 5:05 pm

    They mentioned BJ Ryan, what ever happened to him? He seems to have fallen off the face of the Earth.

  120. jordan on June 22nd, 2011 5:07 pm

    I just realized I can see every grip Lannon has before he pitches. I wonder if a runner at second can see this too? The fastball/change grip were blatenly obvious.

  121. Edgar4Hall on June 22nd, 2011 5:08 pm

    And with the tour of D.C. give Sims a break. He grew up on the East Coast and its the first time that the Mariners have ever been to D.C. and he wants to be a good host.

    Seriously stop whining about hearing a few things about the Constitution or a picture of the Lincoln Memorial. What, would you rather watch one of the Sounder’s Dating Commercials?

  122. Carson on June 22nd, 2011 5:09 pm

    What in the blue hell is Morse doing in his pre-at-bat routine? Praying Mantis?

  123. just a fan on June 22nd, 2011 5:10 pm

    Except that this is the only lefty on the schedule for a while. Combined with the day game tomorrow, maybe he’s just giving him a little breather. Give him a mental break, let him relax on the bench for a while. Maybe even double switch him in late and get a couple ABs then.

    I know Ackley had good splits in Tacoma, but it’s a perfectly reasonable option if you want to give him a day off during this nine day stretch.

    Maybe you’d do different, but don’t be outraged.

  124. MrZDevotee on June 22nd, 2011 5:11 pm

    I still think it’s Pauley’s fault that Ackley isn’t playing. Poor kid was crushed by watching that awful hanging offspeed thing last night from up close in the infield…

    Well, that and the fear of driving through the new tunnel to Safeco when it’s completed. He’s terrified of the city’s idea of building a tunnel below sea level right next to a huge body of water as a way to make the Alaskan Way viaduct a safer passage during earthquakes.

    Hope Dustin can get his head straight soon.

    (I kid– we’re ALL, me included, supposing and rationalizing off the charts today, must be Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome after the heartbreaker last night)

  125. MrZDevotee on June 22nd, 2011 5:16 pm

    I swear, Vargas and Bedard are in competition to see who can show the least signs of life during the biggest pitches of a game…

    Erik: (Yawn… gets led back to the mound by Olivo after every pitch)
    Jason: (Snore… Keeps pajamas and toothbrush next to the talcum bag)

  126. Glen on June 22nd, 2011 5:18 pm

    Figgins that was 5 ft from 3rd…. what the hell are you doing?

  127. MrZDevotee on June 22nd, 2011 5:18 pm

    SERIOUSLY FIGGINS– WWWWWW… TTTTTTTT… FFFFFF…

    He pulled his glove BACK… He’s supposed to try to get everything he can…

    (sigh)

    *am I overreacting?*

  128. Ibuprofen on June 22nd, 2011 5:18 pm

    Did Figgins just give up on that one? That’s a ball you need to go after if you can at third base.

  129. stevemotivateir on June 22nd, 2011 5:19 pm

    Figgins is trying to save the team a dry-cleaning bill. He’s done a great job preserving his uniform, give him a break!

  130. MrZDevotee on June 22nd, 2011 5:20 pm

    Ryan may have attempted to call him off, it looked like, but WTF, that doesn’t matter, I’d rather the 3B TRY TO MAKE THE PLAY on a ball that’s gonna be a hit anyways… I’d ever forgive him booting it all over the infield…

    But TRY TO MAKE THE PLAY Mr. $9 million…

    (sigh)
    (SIGH)
    *and to think I’ve defended him TONS of times*

  131. Idaho M on June 22nd, 2011 5:21 pm

    No excuse for giving Hairston something to hit when the worst hitter on earth is on deck. Just a bonehead move.

  132. Ibuprofen on June 22nd, 2011 5:21 pm

    If I’m Wedge, I pull Figgins’ ass from the game now. Playing poorly and showing no effort? You’re riding the pine for a while.

  133. mrnostalgia on June 22nd, 2011 5:21 pm

    I can’t remember hating anyone on the team last year as much as I hate Figgins this year. Kotchman was close, but his defense redeemed him, whereas there are NO redeeming qualities about Figgins. Not one.

  134. Edgar4Hall on June 22nd, 2011 5:21 pm

    OK Ive got an idea of how to get rid of Figgins. We hire like four or five die hard New Jersey guys to follow Figgins to all of the ballparks and get in early to consistently scream and cuss him out (cause its a Jersey, excuse me, Joursey thing!). Eventually he will lose it and attack them allowing the mariners to void his contract and release him! what do you think?

  135. stevemotivateir on June 22nd, 2011 5:21 pm

    The good news, with plays like that, he’s making a stronger argument for Kennedy to start at thrid regularly.

  136. Dave Spiwak on June 22nd, 2011 5:21 pm

    Uh Eric, that guy on deck is the pitcher. He’s got a zero batting average. For some odd reason he’s batting 8th. Maybe that’s what fooled you.

  137. KiWiNiNjA on June 22nd, 2011 5:21 pm

    With the pitcher on deck, no less.

  138. Carson on June 22nd, 2011 5:23 pm

    Well, this is sure more exciting than a baseball game.

  139. mrnostalgia on June 22nd, 2011 5:23 pm

    Steve -

    I admire your persistent optimism, haha.

  140. Paul B on June 22nd, 2011 5:24 pm

    For some odd reason he’s batting 8th.

    Yeah, what’s up with that, anyway?

  141. Edgar4Hall on June 22nd, 2011 5:24 pm

    Figgins is trying to save the team a dry-cleaning bill. He’s done a great job preserving his uniform, give him a break!

    That had me thinking. I cannot seriously think of one time the past two years were he has actually dived to get a ball. Wasn’t he supposed to be gritty or something?

  142. Glen on June 22nd, 2011 5:24 pm

    See Figgins, that is how you gobble up a hard hit ball to 3rd and throw the guy out.

  143. stevemotivateir on June 22nd, 2011 5:25 pm

    I try to see the positives, so I don’t pull my hair out!

  144. Ichirolling51 on June 22nd, 2011 5:28 pm

    The last 7 runs that they’ve scored have been unearned, simply pathetic, we’re giving them runs. And Wedge is an idiot, you walk Hairston to get to the pitcher on deck who is 0-32, do the math that is a .000 average. I’m losing faith in Wedge by the day.

  145. poordispatcher on June 22nd, 2011 5:30 pm

    “Not a run has been earned today.”
    This will not do. We need to bludgeon out a 7-3 victory to get over the fiasco yesterday.

  146. Ibuprofen on June 22nd, 2011 5:44 pm

    Well would you look at that!

  147. Glen on June 22nd, 2011 5:45 pm

    Wow. DC does not like us.

  148. Ibuprofen on June 22nd, 2011 5:46 pm

    I hate DC.

  149. Edgar4Hall on June 22nd, 2011 5:46 pm

    That was awesome and then it sucked

  150. jordan on June 22nd, 2011 5:47 pm

    Wow, Smoak just hit the ball too hard. If Zimmerman catches that, Ich is doubled off easy. If he doesn’t, and even if Ich was going on contact, he is still out. Nothing you can do there.

  151. Glen on June 22nd, 2011 5:47 pm

    Why did Ichiro stop to turn back. At worst he gets tagged at home. At best there’s a interference play for the catcher standing in the base path.

  152. jordan on June 22nd, 2011 5:50 pm

    He thought the ball was cought. The ball should have been cought, but either way.. he was going to be out.

  153. Glen on June 22nd, 2011 5:52 pm

    Jordan,

    I am talking about when Zimmermann was chasing him down the line but did not throw the ball to the catcher.

  154. OffensivelyChallenged on June 22nd, 2011 5:54 pm

    Pay off pitch. Lame…….

  155. Glen on June 22nd, 2011 5:56 pm

    M’s are only down 1 but it seems like 10.

  156. OffensivelyChallenged on June 22nd, 2011 5:57 pm

    I wonder if we can get Reggie Jackson to come out of retirement. I bet he can still hit em out.

  157. OffensivelyChallenged on June 22nd, 2011 6:01 pm

    Erik Beyabeendunstruckdafuckout.

  158. mrnostalgia on June 22nd, 2011 6:02 pm

    I’d be more excited about Bedtard’s strikeouts if we weren’t down…

  159. Glen on June 22nd, 2011 6:03 pm

    Now that the LHP is out, why isn’t Wedge getting some of the bench players back in… We sure do need them.

    Edit… Carp is in for Halman now.

  160. OffensivelyChallenged on June 22nd, 2011 6:07 pm

    Come on Ackley!!!

  161. Glen on June 22nd, 2011 6:07 pm

    Ackley is in at 2nd.

  162. Ibuprofen on June 22nd, 2011 6:07 pm

    Ackley :D

  163. Carson on June 22nd, 2011 6:08 pm

    Yay, Dustin!

  164. Carson on June 22nd, 2011 6:08 pm

    ACKLEY.

  165. OffensivelyChallenged on June 22nd, 2011 6:08 pm

    He’s a real good hitter.

  166. Glen on June 22nd, 2011 6:09 pm

    I don’t understand why Wedge let Figgins hit though.

  167. jordan on June 22nd, 2011 6:09 pm

    I’m pretty sure Ackley is my favorite Mariner. Him and Felix are tied.

  168. Ibuprofen on June 22nd, 2011 6:09 pm

    And now we’ve got Warning Track Jack in for our rolling pitcher.

  169. KiWiNiNjA on June 22nd, 2011 6:10 pm

    Wedge is an idiot.

  170. poordispatcher on June 22nd, 2011 6:10 pm

    Dear Sims:
    No helicopter will be “practicing” anything in DC airspace. The entire area is a huge TFR.

  171. KiWiNiNjA on June 22nd, 2011 6:12 pm

    To me it doesn’t make sense to PH in front of the pitcher with 2 outs when the pitcher is pitching so well. Surely it is better for Bedard to pitch at least another inning? Why not PH for Figgins? I’m confused.

  172. Glen on June 22nd, 2011 6:12 pm

    Well that worked…. kind of.

  173. Ibuprofen on June 22nd, 2011 6:12 pm

    Cust just got an infield base hit. Am I seeing right here?

  174. jordan on June 22nd, 2011 6:12 pm

    I think I want Ackley hitting 3rd, and Kennedy hitting second from now on, with Ryan hitting down near the bottom.

  175. Carson on June 22nd, 2011 6:12 pm

    Talk about a break. C’mon, Ichi

  176. OffensivelyChallenged on June 22nd, 2011 6:13 pm

    Don’t put the whole game on Ichiro’s shoulders guys. haha. God damn National league games.

  177. Glen on June 22nd, 2011 6:14 pm

    Cust just got an infield base hit. Am I seeing right here?

    Should be an error. The 2B just about dropped the ball while throwing.

  178. OffensivelyChallenged on June 22nd, 2011 6:15 pm

    Bedard was pitching good too. Oh well.

  179. poordispatcher on June 22nd, 2011 6:15 pm

    #@(*@#@#$^!!!!!

  180. KiWiNiNjA on June 22nd, 2011 6:17 pm

    Nationals to light up out bullpen now. Great stuff!

  181. Glen on June 22nd, 2011 6:17 pm

    Top three reasons why Wedge is oblivious to the team’s problems this game:

    1. After another sub-par performance from Figgins, he doesn’t pinch hit with Kennedy.
    2. After switching Carp with Halman, he allows Figgins to hit, quickly 2 out, opposed to letting Ackley/Kennedy pinch hit.
    3. Pinch hitting for Jack Wilson with Ackley with 2 out, should have pinch hit with Ackley in Figgins space and Pinch hit with Kennedy in Wilson’s spot.

  182. mrnostalgia on June 22nd, 2011 6:18 pm

    #@(*@#@#$^!!!!!

    I know exactly what you mean

  183. OffensivelyChallenged on June 22nd, 2011 6:19 pm

    Top three reasons why Wedge is oblivious to the team’s problems this game:

    1. After another sub-par performance from Figgins, he doesn’t pinch hit with Kennedy.
    2. After switching Carp with Halman, he allows Figgins to hit, quickly 2 out, opposed to letting Ackley/Kennedy pinch hit.
    3. Pinch hitting for Jack Wilson with Ackley with 2 out, should have pinch hit with Ackley in Figgins space and Pinch hit with Kennedy in Wilson’s spot.

    Yeah Ackley pinch hitting with 2 outs and no one on was really stupid. Figgins needs to get off this team already.

  184. KiWiNiNjA on June 22nd, 2011 6:23 pm

    Top three reasons why Wedge is oblivious to the team’s problems this game:
    1. After another sub-par performance from Figgins, he doesn’t pinch hit with Kennedy.
    2. After switching Carp with Halman, he allows Figgins to hit, quickly 2 out, opposed to letting Ackley/Kennedy pinch hit.
    3. Pinch hitting for Jack Wilson with Ackley with 2 out, should have pinch hit with Ackley in Figgins space and Pinch hit with Kennedy in Wilson’s spot.

    Yeah, exactly. Boggles the mind.

  185. jordan on June 22nd, 2011 6:25 pm

    Holy crap

  186. poordispatcher on June 22nd, 2011 6:26 pm

    Wow. Nice move Laffey. Nice flip too.

  187. OffensivelyChallenged on June 22nd, 2011 6:27 pm

    I’ll take a solo home run.

  188. msfanmike on June 22nd, 2011 6:34 pm

    At least Figgins paid early dividends in today’s game. It usually takes him longer than 1 inning to give up a run on defense.

  189. OffensivelyChallenged on June 22nd, 2011 6:34 pm

    I kinda want to go to the Marlins games. Watch Felix hit in a game.

  190. mrnostalgia on June 22nd, 2011 6:34 pm

    We’re gonna lose this #$cking game aren’t we?

  191. Idaho M on June 22nd, 2011 6:35 pm

    I am really trying to understand the Figgens situation. For goodness sakes he was an All Star in 2009 ! Last year he started poorly but came on to salvage a mediocre year. Then this year he is a disaster. At 33 years old are his skills diminished to the level where he simply cant compete at the major league level ? His drop in performance is just a mystery.

  192. msfanmike on June 22nd, 2011 6:35 pm

    At least Figgins paid early dividends in today’s game. It usually takes him longer than 1 inning to give up cost us a run on with his defense.

  193. OffensivelyChallenged on June 22nd, 2011 6:35 pm

    6,7,8? With ackley 8th?

  194. Glen on June 22nd, 2011 6:36 pm

    This loss is all on Wedge.

    (and Figgins)

  195. OffensivelyChallenged on June 22nd, 2011 6:38 pm

    Ray looks a ton better than he did. I hated his guts when the season started.

  196. poordispatcher on June 22nd, 2011 6:38 pm

    Somebody jump Figgins before the next inning…

  197. kenshabby on June 22nd, 2011 6:40 pm

    This offense is more impotent than pre-Viagra Bob Dole.

  198. Ibuprofen on June 22nd, 2011 6:41 pm

    If Kennedy isn’t hitting for Figgins this inning…

  199. codybond31 on June 22nd, 2011 6:41 pm

    Ackley due up 4th????

    I see something special happening!!!

    Noted?

  200. Diehard on June 22nd, 2011 6:42 pm

    Hmmm I am feeling a bit confident the M’s can scratch out a run or two provided Figlet gets pinch hit for.

  201. Glen on June 22nd, 2011 6:42 pm

    If Kennedy isn’t hitting for Figgins this inning…

    I know Wedge doesn’t have much to work with in the Mariners, but he has to maximize every move. By letting Figgins to continue to play will cost this team in many, many wins.

  202. OffensivelyChallenged on June 22nd, 2011 6:45 pm

    I hate this catchers framing bull. All balls.

  203. teddyballgame9 on June 22nd, 2011 6:46 pm

    Damn, are we really gonna lose two straight games against the Natinals?

  204. OffensivelyChallenged on June 22nd, 2011 6:47 pm

    Figgins last stand??

  205. Glen on June 22nd, 2011 6:47 pm

    and here comes Figgins. Wedge you piece of crap.

  206. teddyballgame9 on June 22nd, 2011 6:47 pm

    Hey look! It’s everyone’s favorite player!

  207. jordan on June 22nd, 2011 6:47 pm

    Ha! chone figgins

  208. codybond31 on June 22nd, 2011 6:47 pm

    No Kennedy for Figgins?? Terrible!!

  209. Ibuprofen on June 22nd, 2011 6:47 pm

    I guess Wedge has given up then.

  210. jordanwlee on June 22nd, 2011 6:48 pm

    Is…is that…is that FIGGINS?!

  211. SODOMOJO360 on June 22nd, 2011 6:48 pm

    Why the frick doesn’t Wedge PH Peguero for Figgins. At least has a chance to go deep and tie it up.

  212. Glen on June 22nd, 2011 6:48 pm

    Figgins promptly watches three strikes without budging.

  213. jordan on June 22nd, 2011 6:48 pm

    wtf

  214. KiWiNiNjA on June 22nd, 2011 6:48 pm

    lol, Figgins.

    Wedge is an idiot. We deserve to lose.

  215. poordispatcher on June 22nd, 2011 6:48 pm

    No one jumped him…? Where is that gun-toting scum when you needed him?

  216. TherzAlwaysHope on June 22nd, 2011 6:48 pm

    0-2 Figlet has him right where he wants him.

    Edit: Oops

  217. OffensivelyChallenged on June 22nd, 2011 6:48 pm

    He better be off the team tomorrow.

  218. SODOMOJO360 on June 22nd, 2011 6:48 pm

    Wow Wedge, you know Carlos would have at least swung the funking bat!!!!!

  219. Carson on June 22nd, 2011 6:48 pm

    Holy fuck, Figgins.

  220. jordanwlee on June 22nd, 2011 6:48 pm

    And he gets paid to do that…

  221. msfanmike on June 22nd, 2011 6:48 pm

    Dump him. He no longer cares. He looked at 3 strikes in the 9th inning and didn’t move his bat. He wants to be released. Please grant his wish.

  222. poordispatcher on June 22nd, 2011 6:49 pm

    3-pitch strikeout…if he’s not sitting tomorrow I’ll tomato Wedge when they get back.

  223. OffensivelyChallenged on June 22nd, 2011 6:49 pm

    I’m hoping that Wedge was giving Figgins a last chance to prove himself. There is no way he should be on this team. Eat the contract move on.

  224. jordan on June 22nd, 2011 6:50 pm

    So, what can we do as fans… to get Figgins as far away from a baseball diamond as possible.

    I am not joking. Who do I address the envelope to voice my disgust for this teams constant acceptance of suck

  225. KiWiNiNjA on June 22nd, 2011 6:51 pm

    PH for Halman
    PH for Wilson
    PH for Bedard
    Don’t PH for Figgins.

    Makes perfect sense.

  226. poordispatcher on June 22nd, 2011 6:52 pm

    Can’t we just DFA him, wait till the waiver clears then send him down to Tacoma, Ian Snell fashion? If he accepts he’ll be in Tacoma, and if he doesn’t he’ll leave w/o pay?

  227. Glen on June 22nd, 2011 6:52 pm

    This game has gotten me more pissed than I have been in a long time due to Wedge’s horrible decision making.

  228. mrnostalgia on June 22nd, 2011 6:53 pm

    Is there an “I hate Chone Figgins facebook page?”

  229. sexymarinersfan on June 22nd, 2011 6:53 pm

    I blame this one on the manager for putting out a shitty lineup card. In fact I blame them for the losses the past two nights and the coaching decisions.

  230. Edgar4Hall on June 22nd, 2011 6:55 pm

    Seriously, those who are saying that Wedge is an idiot need to shove it. Its ridiculous. The only major thing that he didn’t do was pitch hit for Figgins. Wedge will get serious manager of the year consideration, has kicked the cancer off the team, has gone young with a half dozen rookies on the team, with Only Smoak (who hit freaking 239 last year for us) and is STILL near the top of the division in a rebuilding year.

    No, you guys are right. Fire his ass. Cause we are going to get freaking Tug McGraw to raise from the grave to have the PRIVILEGED position of managing this great team! Seriously so moronic to get after Wedge to lose a few games with this team that, if he manged correctly would be the 1927 Yankees

  231. Glen on June 22nd, 2011 6:58 pm

    Seriously, how many more times is Wedge going to mismanage the lineup, the bullpen, and the pinch hitters.

    He doesn’t have a large margin of error, and he is booting every decision like a ground ball to Figgins.

  232. OffensivelyChallenged on June 22nd, 2011 6:58 pm

    Is there an “I hate Chone Figgins facebook page?”

    There is a Chone Figgins Sucks page. It’s a good place to get the anger off of your chest.

  233. Edgar4Hall on June 22nd, 2011 6:58 pm

    So, what can we do as fans… to get Figgins as far away from a baseball diamond as possible.

    I suggested we get a bunch of Jersey shore act alikes to cuss him out until he snaps then attacks them so we can void his contract. Any other ideas?

  234. seattlesonsofbaseball on June 22nd, 2011 6:59 pm

    I think the big choice in the game that really kept the M’s from having any type of opportunity was having Ackley pinch hit for Wilson when he should have pinched hit for Halman, instead of Carp going for Halman. Here’s why: Obviously Ackley is way more comfortable right now at the plate over Carp. Halman’s spot in the 7th was the first batter, so whether or not Ackley DOES get on, Wilson’s spot will be coming up two batters later so THAT is when you pinch hit Carp. It should have been: Ackley, Figgins, Carp that inning. Then you just have Ackley and Carp take appropriate spots on the field. WHY do you have Carp pinch hitting to lead off the inning????????????????? That also would have led to Ackley getting another at bat by the end of the game!!! But no… we get to watch Figgins strike out looking………….. Awesome! Wedge, you need a bit of a wake up call for the past two games. I like you, I still do! But you have made some piss poor decisions.

  235. jordan on June 22nd, 2011 7:00 pm

    Maybe plant a gun on him and send him to a strip club? That got Plax out of the NFL for awhile.

    And I can’t find the I hate Chone Figgins page… i need it.

  236. Ichirolling51 on June 22nd, 2011 7:00 pm

    How much longer do we have to deal with Figgins’s suckiness and Wedge’s ineptitude?

  237. Ibuprofen on June 22nd, 2011 7:00 pm

    Wedge may not have made the best decisions over the past couple games, but overall I have been more than pleased with him. He’s done a great job in general. Figgins, on the other hand, needs to go now. DFA him now.

  238. henryv on June 22nd, 2011 7:02 pm

    Can’t we just DFA him, wait till the waiver clears then send him down to Tacoma, Ian Snell fashion? If he accepts he’ll be in Tacoma, and if he doesn’t he’ll leave w/o pay?

    He probably has a MLB contract that guarantees him a spot on a major league roster or his release.

    I’d bet he has already cleared waivers a few times. Not that it really matters. We’re stuck with the choice either having him on the roster or releasing him.

    Either that, or I still like my originally planned idea, which is that Cust punches Figgins in the face until Cust is on the DL for shoulder tendinitis, and Figgins for, well, getting punched in the face a bunch of times.

  239. henryv on June 22nd, 2011 7:04 pm

    2 back of Texas. I’m willing to bet this is the closest we are to them the remainder of the year. They won a close one yesterday, and we lost a close one yesterday, and I think we’re two teams going in the exact opposite direction.

  240. absolutsyd on June 22nd, 2011 7:04 pm

    I already have tix for this weekend. After that, if Figgins is still on this team I will not give them my money. Fuck this. He clearly showed he doesn’t care by not even swinging in the ninth. That’s unforgivable.

  241. Edgar4Hall on June 22nd, 2011 7:04 pm

    So hey I just made an I hate Chone figgins page for you Jordan lol

  242. SonOfZavaras on June 22nd, 2011 7:06 pm

    Cause we are going to get freaking Tug McGraw to raise from the grave to have the PRIVILEGED position of managing this great team!

    Um, I think you mean John McGraw. While both McGraws are deceased, I don’t remember Tug managing anywhere.

  243. Dustbust on June 22nd, 2011 7:07 pm

    It feels like something drastic is about to happen…the look on Wedge’s face a he exited the dugout makes me think he’s had enough.

    You can tell by Dave Simms’ tone that hates him as well: “Oh brother. Didn’t even take the bat off of his shoulder!”

    I’m gonna laugh so hard if they send him to AAA. It will send a huge message, and humiliate his worthless ass at the same time.

  244. henryv on June 22nd, 2011 7:07 pm

    He clearly showed he doesn’t care by not even swinging in the ninth. That’s unforgivable.

    I would probably lean towards “given up”. I’m wondering if he hates playing in Seattle so much that he is willing to tank it until he gets released. He’s got his money, and if a team doesn’t pick him up, who cares? He can go live in Anaheim and cheer for the Angels all he wants.

  245. henryv on June 22nd, 2011 7:08 pm

    Um, I think you mean John McGraw. While both McGraws are deceased, I don’t remember Tug managing anywhere.

    However, he does have an illegitimate child who won a Grammy. So there is that.

  246. ndrfx on June 22nd, 2011 7:09 pm

    Either that, or I still like my originally planned idea, which is that Cust punches Figgins in the face until Cust is on the DL for shoulder tendinitis, and Figgins for, well, getting punched in the face a bunch of times.

    I’m going to allow this.

  247. Edgar4Hall on June 22nd, 2011 7:11 pm

    Yeah my bad on the Tug thing. I’m that pissed off about the whole hate Wedge feeling

  248. justcruisn on June 22nd, 2011 7:12 pm

    Playing Figgins means conceding a win. I can’t believe Wedge can be OK with this. I predicted before this game started that Figgy would go 0 for 4 with an error and cost us the game, but he even topped that by watching 3 strikes go by in his last at bat without so much as offering at them. He should pay back some of those millions he is receiving in major league salary because there are plenty of double A players who would do a better job. Figgy, please, please…go away.

  249. SonOfZavaras on June 22nd, 2011 7:12 pm

    Dustin Ackley has no business sitting on a bench, whether the team’s facing a lefty or a righty.

    Dave and others are 100% right. He’s not a platoon guy, he should be getting full-time ABs, with Smoak and Ichiro.

  250. KiWiNiNjA on June 22nd, 2011 7:12 pm

    Seriously, those who are saying that Wedge is an idiot need to shove it. Its ridiculous. The only major thing that he didn’t do was pitch hit for Figgins. Wedge will get serious manager of the year consideration, has kicked the cancer off the team, has gone young with a half dozen rookies on the team, with Only Smoak (who hit freaking 239 last year for us) and is STILL near the top of the division in a rebuilding year.

    I heard he also found a cure for herpes, and fights crime on the streets of Seattle (during homestands of course)

  251. SonOfZavaras on June 22nd, 2011 7:15 pm

    It feels like something drastic is about to happen…the look on Wedge’s face a he exited the dugout makes me think he’s had enough.

    Glad I’m not the only one who noticed that. That didn’t look to me like he was going to suffer the loss quietly.

    And if Figgins is gone tomorrow, I swear I won’t ask the gods for much else the rest of the year.

    I have tried to like him, I really have. And now I’m just beyond any chance of it happening.

  252. Glen on June 22nd, 2011 7:15 pm

    ’m that pissed off about the whole hate Wedge feeling

    Last I checked, Wedge was still responsible for sitting and playing members of the team.

  253. OffensivelyChallenged on June 22nd, 2011 7:19 pm

    Why hate on Wedge? I think todays game is a turning point and changes are gonna be made. I hope & pray Figgins is done or reduced to minimal plate appearances. I think Wedge was giving him one last chance.

  254. jordan on June 22nd, 2011 7:24 pm

    Alternate idea: Hire Chris Angel for the league minimum. Make Chone Figgins disappear. If a player disappears, you don’t have to pay him!

  255. Glen on June 22nd, 2011 7:25 pm

    Why hate on Wedge?

    Last I checked, Wedge was still responsible for sitting and playing members of the team.

  256. Edgar4Hall on June 22nd, 2011 7:27 pm

    I’m pretty sure that if Figgins gets cut tomorrow, our projected win total should go up by at least 7

  257. bostock4ever on June 22nd, 2011 7:37 pm

    Wedge is in an uncomfortable position with Figgins. Its not his fault the M’s signed him–that lies squarely on Jack Z’s shoulders..
    So what does a manager do with a guy making 9 mil a year and is signed through 2012? The FO can’t trade the guy unless he plays and shows something, anything that justifies another team taking a flier on him.
    So Wedge probably would like to kick Figgins’ ass down the road more than anyone..too bad baseball contracts are guaranteed.

  258. MrZDevotee on June 22nd, 2011 7:39 pm

    Wow,
    I go out to dinner and everything unravels…

    I still don’t see how we blame Wedge for mismanaging a team with a BUNCH of turds on it– We actually argue whether he should have used the crusty brown turd, with the corn bits in it, or the runny black turd that explodes everywhere and is AJAX proof… And then we suppose that EVEN AN IDIOT would know how to handle those turds properly. You gotta stick your mother’s 2 carat diamond broach in there, push it around, and it’ll fix the flaws caused by the turds (just keep looking at the diamond! “Oh great, he sat him today… More turds.”).

    (Although given the obvious sort of fumbling of typical National League game scenarios, I like the way it kinda looked like I disappeared as soon as Wedge made me look dumb for defending him– *laugh*)

    As for Figgins, the seriously infuriating part at this point, is that he has us by the balls, even while not trying… Kennedy is NOT an everyday 3rd baseman. We have no one to play in Figgins’ place. We don’t even have a guy to platoon with Kennedy (Tui? *AHHHHH!* Liddi? *not ready*).

    Figgins is simply depressing me. I’m not even mad anymore. It’s just a seriously seriously f*cked situation, akin to Carlos Silva. I suppose we just put him on the DL for 15 days, while we figure it out (again, like we handled the last days of Silva)…

    But seriously– FUCK YOU CHONE FIGGINS for not giving a rat’s ass about the team I love, and the team that is paying you more money than you EVER deserved… I’ve defended you for months, “give him time, give him time”, until it just became absolutely 100% obvious that you could care less, and just want out. Can’t even be a damn man about it. You’re done, and you WANT TO BE done. That’s the really lame part. Be a man about it, say “I’ll split my remaining salary with you, just let me out of here…”

    But you don’t have the balls.

    **Man, that felt GOOD! And I’m not an easy guy to push over the edge**

  259. KiWiNiNjA on June 22nd, 2011 7:45 pm

    Do the M’s have to use Figgins as a baseball player for the remainder of his contract? Can’t they give him some really shitty jobs that force him to opt out of his contract?

    He could be the worlds highest paid janitor.

    (no offense to janitors out there)

  260. Auggeydog on June 22nd, 2011 7:48 pm

    Everyone was talking about Ackley coming up and sitting a game a week. So he sits a game and Wedge is an idiot for sitting him. I am confused how before it was a good idea, now it is stupid. Maybe there was logical thinking, like a night day game in the heat. Maybe Dustin did not feel 100%, or many other reasons.

    As far as not hitting Kennedy maybe it was like with Ichiro when he sat him. You will not be playing tonight for any reason. Sit relax and enjoy the game. I think we need to take the body of work and not sit and evaluate every move. None of us no all the reasons he does what he does. If we go back in time Pinella did some of the same things. Might not make sense now, but he had his reasons.

  261. Glen on June 22nd, 2011 7:52 pm

    Who said that Ackley would be sitting a game a week? I never read such things.

  262. Glen on June 22nd, 2011 7:56 pm

    MrZ,

    Good analogy. My infuriation with Wedge is that it seems that the only one that doesn’t know that the crap doesn’t stink is him. Everyone else can smell and see that it’s a piece of crap, but he keeps putting it out there as if it is gourmet food.

  263. jryoung222 on June 22nd, 2011 8:06 pm

    Against LHers:
    Figgins – .167/.197/.306
    Kennedy – .273/.306/.333

    I hope they stop with the idea platooning at 3B and just release Figgins. I know it sounds extreme, but the it’s a sunk cost, and Figgins is not helping us win games (his WAR is -1.0). Releasing him will put everyone out of their misery and we can move on.

    And go get a left fielder, please.

    And why is Cust still on the team? If you’re not going to play him, just let him go and get a bench player who has some value (i.e., can play some positions and run a little bit).

  264. Edgar4Hall on June 22nd, 2011 8:07 pm

    What else is he supposed to do? If he goes into the clubhouse explaining to every turd that they stink we get even worse turds than before? If you want a manager to scream about how crappy his players are, go root for Ozzie and the White Sox.

  265. Glen on June 22nd, 2011 8:12 pm

    What else is he supposed to do?

    Not play the turd. Let Figgins get lost at the end of bench and let Kennedy (82 games @ 3B in 2008) take over 3rd full time.

  266. madatms on June 22nd, 2011 8:19 pm

    Does figgins hurt the team more sitting on the bench? spreading discontent?

  267. Glen on June 22nd, 2011 8:31 pm

    I don’t think it could hurt more. Figgins (-1.0 WAR) has already negated everything positive our 3rd best WAR player has done this year – Brendan Ryan, 1.1 WAR

  268. bostock4ever on June 22nd, 2011 8:36 pm

    Made a mistake in my recent post–Figgins is signed through 2013 with an option for 2014.
    M’s on the hook for 20+ million if they released him today.,

  269. tylerv on June 22nd, 2011 8:40 pm

    Eat the contract move on.

    Eat the contract move on.

    I’m sort of agreeing. At what point does it happen? This time next year? 2 years from now?

    Soscia can whip those scrubs’ butts into somethin’ man, got to hand it to him.

  270. mrnostalgia on June 22nd, 2011 8:58 pm

    Finally, some good news,

    Astros won 5-3 over the Rangers, Rangers gave up 4 runs in the ninth.

    I know it’s small, but this salvages the night at least.

  271. tylerv on June 22nd, 2011 9:12 pm

    Rangers. Man. What a division.

  272. groundzero55 on June 22nd, 2011 10:26 pm

    Can’t we just DFA him, wait till the waiver clears then send him down to Tacoma, Ian Snell fashion? If he accepts he’ll be in Tacoma, and if he doesn’t he’ll leave w/o pay?

    If we DFA him he won’t go to AAA as he has too much service time in the majors. If he is released we are still on the hook for the remainder of his contract. So, we still pay.

    Last I checked, Wedge was still responsible for sitting and playing members of the team.

    The front office can’t trade Figgins unless he plays and possibly snaps out of his funk. The only way to get a slumping player out of a slump is to let him play himself out of it.

    We have no one to play in Figgins’ place. We don’t even have a guy to platoon with Kennedy (Tui? *AHHHHH!* Liddi? *not ready*).

    *cough*tradeforbetemit*cough*

    Who said that Ackley would be sitting a game a week? I never read such things.

    It was basically understood when Ackley was first called up, since Wedge said Kennedy, Ackley, Figgins and Wilson were all going to still see regular playing time.

    Everyone else can smell and see that it’s a piece of crap, but he keeps putting it out there as if it is gourmet food.

    Do you really think Wedge likes what he sees when Figgins goes 0-4, hits into two double plays and boots easy plays? He can’t do anything about it – his hands are tied. You may be the armchair manager extraordinaire but a real manager doesn’t have many options when the only guy who can play his position every day is getting paid 9 million a year and sucks at everything.

  273. Kazinski on June 22nd, 2011 10:35 pm

    I’d like to quote myself on Mike Morse from back in 2008:

    Kazinski on March 20th, 2008 5:39 pm
    I think Morse is an good hitter, not much power so far, but he is just 25, so he may be growing into his 6?5?. The thing that is impressive about Morse’s hitting is his ability to hit the ball to any field.

    I’m tired of having old veterans on the team with no upside. Norton is an old veteran with no upside, ditto Cairo, hell for that matter Bloomquist is getting to be an old veteran with no upside.

    I like to see young players set their own ceiling rather than have it set for them. Morse has played well enough in his career to make the big club and have an oportunity to set his own ceiling.

    I’m not right very often so I like to point it out when I am.

  274. Breadbaker on June 22nd, 2011 10:42 pm

    Outside the Chesapeake basin, we’re in first place.

  275. MrZDevotee on June 22nd, 2011 10:59 pm

    Hey, what’s that Paul McCartney song called… Y’know the one… “Somebody’s knocking on my door, somebody’s ringing the bell… Do me a favor, open the door, and let ‘em in!”

    (found a rumor that hit the internet today):

    Phillies, Mariners, Reds Inquired On Ludwick
    By Tim Dierkes [June 22, 2011 at 7:35am CST]

    The Phillies, Mariners, and Reds are among the teams that have inquired on the availability of Padres right fielder Ryan Ludwick, according to Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports. The Padres appear willing to move the 32-year-old, who is eligible for free agency after the season.

    Ludwick is hitting .255/.322/.393 with nine home runs in 299 plate appearances this year, with most of his production coming in May. He’s been a little better away from PETCO Park, slugging .419 on the road. Ludwick earns $6.775MM this year, with potentially around $2.2MM remaining on July 31st. Inquiries from the Phillies and Reds may be a sign that those two clubs can squeeze in a salary of that size. Ludwick profiled as a Type B free agent the last time we checked, so that will be a factor.

    ***EDIT: Not so new news I suppose, as the local papers already wrote about it today (sorry)***

  276. Madison Mariner on June 22nd, 2011 11:15 pm

    If we DFA him he won’t go to AAA as he has too much service time in the majors. If he is released we are still on the hook for the remainder of his contract. So, we still pay.

    Not to be too nitpicky, but it’s not that he can’t go to AAA, it’s that he likely wouldn’t go to AAA.

    Basically, the rule is that once a team DFA’s a player on their 40-man roster, they have 10 days to do one of the following:
    a. Trade the player
    b. Put them through unconditional release waivers and release them, with the team owing the player the full amount of his guaranteed contract if that’s the case once the player is released.
    c. Put them through outright assignment waivers and send them to a minor league affiliate of the organization.

    Now, for (c) to work, a player must accept the outright assignment. As it turns out, there are 2 cases where a player can refuse an outright assignment:

    1. They’ve been outrighted once before.
    2. They have more than 5 years of MLB service time.

    The 2nd one is what you were referring to(Figgins has 7+ years of service time), and I’m sure Figgins wouldn’t accept an outright assignment to Tacoma.

    So, whether he’s released or he refuses the outright assignment, Figgins–if he were DFA’ed in the next few weeks–would likely be a free agent owed a whole chunk of money by the M’s($17 million guaranteed money for 2012-2013, plus whatever money the M’s owed him for the rest of the 2011 season(about half of the $9 million, I’m guessing).

    Doesn’t look like there’s a buyout for 2014, however, as it’s a vesting option. :)

  277. Catherwood on June 22nd, 2011 11:52 pm

    Nonsense. I think Chone’s injured. Don’t you think he’s injured? Clearly, it hurts too much to swing the bat. I think he should go on the DL for, oh, 15 days to start with. It can be extended to 60 eventually. Nagging pulled frowny muscle or something. Pulled ennui, perhaps.

  278. groundzero55 on June 23rd, 2011 12:05 am

    This article sums up everything quite nicely. Agree or disagree, Wedge had reasons for everything he did or didn’t do.

    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/marinersblog/2015399384_figgins_dilemma_is_mounting_fo.html#continue

    Nonsense. I think Chone’s injured. Don’t you think he’s injured? Clearly, it hurts too much to swing the bat. I think he should go on the DL for, oh, 15 days to start with. It can be extended to 60 eventually.

    Any more watching Figgy’s at-bats and the fanbase will have to go on the collective DL.

  279. absolutsyd on June 23rd, 2011 5:13 am

    I think Chone’s injured. Don’t you think he’s injured? Clearly, it hurts too much to swing the bat.

    He’s going to be injured if he plays another game at Safeco…

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