Game 78, Mariners Sort Of At Marlins For The Last Time

Dave · June 26, 2011 at 6:41 pm · Filed Under Mariners 

Fister vs Sanchez, 7:10 pm.

Justin Smoak returns to the line-up, so huzzah for that. Unfortunately, Anibal Sanchez is really good. So, yeah.

Ichiro, RF
Ryan, SS
Kennedy, 3B
Smoak, 1B
Ackley, 2B
Olivo, C
Peguero, LF
Gutierrez, CF
Fister, P


159 Responses to “Game 78, Mariners Sort Of At Marlins For The Last Time”

  1. Barron on June 27th, 2011 6:53 am


    The Cust situation is an interesting one. I suppose there is no good explanation down here. Hopefully Wedge has a reason for it.

  2. Carson on June 27th, 2011 7:24 am

    What a fun game to go to. I went on Friday and last night, and it was just so weird getting used to things all backwards.

    Part of me wanted the Marlins to tie so we could be lulled to sleep for a couple innings until Ackley came up to hit for the cycle.

  3. plyka on June 27th, 2011 8:08 am

    Just a quick question…I’m actually not all that pro pegeuro, I’d rather see Carp and Halman get playing time. However, in a decision between Cust and Peguero, I have no doubt who i would rather see.

    Now to the question, have you ever found it odd that there is so much hate for Peggy on this board, but yet both the managers in last nights game respected his bat? Wedge since he plays him so much and the Florida manager since his orders were to intentionally walk Peggy as long as Ack was on 3rd.

    I just find the dichotomy in opinion strange. Also, remember that in the real world you’re not analyzing Peggy in a vacuum but in a relative world.

  4. plyka on June 27th, 2011 8:18 am

    Westside guy on June 26th, 2011 11:25 pm

    What a bizarre game. And I think that quote from the TNT that AuggeyDog pasted explains a lot. Not what Wedge thinks he explained, though.

    Basically it explains Peguero is the sort of guy Wedge likes. Dave Cameron is right – Wedge doesn’t value walks *at all*. He wants guys hacking… I’m sure he told Cust “you’d better swing at all three pitches”. He likes Peguero because he sees the hits and doesn’t see anything else. He doesn’t think about all the outs caused by those hacks. He probably would love Jose Lopez.

    Wedge is ridiculously old school – Joe Morganesque, even. This roster isn’t great, but I think we’d be a couple wins better if we had these same players but with anyone else at the helm.

    I’m really worried Wedge may screw up Smoak and Ackley if given half a chance.

    BTW Matthew has a great read over at Lookout Landing.

    Yes, i’m sure Wedge is an idiot and just isn’t as informed as you guys on this board, lol…give me a break please! It should be obvious even to a blind man what Wedge is thinking between Cust and Peguero. He is thinking that there is a difference between today and tomorrow, that a 24 year old with the tools to be a power hitter is worth more than an over the hill Cust who has only decline in his future.

    No one is saying that PEguero is Manny, or will be in the future. What they are saying is that for a team in a rebuilding phase, it’s best to DEVELOP young talent and see what you have and maybe what you will have in the future.

    It’s not rocket science.

  5. Paul B on June 27th, 2011 8:28 am

    it’s best to DEVELOP young talent and see what you have and maybe what you will have in the future.

    I’m not at all certain that is #1 on Wedge’s list of concerns. Yes, I’m sure he thinks about it, but his primary focus is on the here and now, and he makes decisions (example, his use of the bullpen) all the time that are focused on today and not next year.

  6. Paul B on June 27th, 2011 8:31 am

    Just saw it on ESPN. Seriously how does a professional pitcher miss his target that badly on an intentional walk?

    Many years ago, I was at a ballgame in Toronto, watching the Mariners play the Blue Jays.

    Ed Vandeberg threw an IBB pitch to the backstop and I think I remember a run scored on that play.

    I’m pretty sure I saw the same thing happen in the Kingdome, but I don’t remember the pitcher.

    So, it does happen. Jeff has a nice description over at LL of why it happens.

  7. henryv on June 27th, 2011 10:05 am

    Just saw it on ESPN. Seriously how does a professional pitcher miss his target that badly on an intentional walk?

    What hasn’t been mentioned is that the pitcher is a left-handed side-armer basically being asked to throw four outside balls WAY outside, across his body, which is probably a very unnatural throwing motion. If you look, he also doesn’t throw his “normal” way (1/2 arm angle), and instead throws at about a 3/4 angle.

    Seems like the best way would be to have the pitcher just very gently lob 4 pitches, so that even if they got away, the catcher would have time to get to it.

    But, yeah, that’s baseball.

  8. FELIXisKING on June 27th, 2011 1:13 pm

    Everytime one of you guys mentions that “Peguero struck out while being intentionally walked” I bust up laughing. God damn that’s hilarious.

    Kudos to the comment that he struck out, but he swung really hard all three times.

  9. bloody_yankees on June 27th, 2011 5:31 pm

    Edgar4Hall, you completely missed the point of my argument. Though we may not have hitters who are currently comparable with a Mattingly or a Williams, who’s to say that Chambliss is not trying to develop our hitters using the same approach he imbued in Bernie Williams, Paul O’Neill, Derek Jeter…the list goes on.

    A lot of people here, Dave included, seem convinced that Wedge wants our hitters to go up there swinging at anything near the plate. Smoak is running a walk rate of 13.3%. In his first 9 MLB games, Ackley’s running a 9.1% walk rate. I don’t think Wedge is going to try anything to alter Ackley or Smoak. I think he merely wants guys like Figgins and Cust to swing at those fastballs they watch sail right down the heart of the plate.

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