Game 91, Mariners at Angels

marc w · July 10, 2011 at 12:54 pm · Filed Under Mariners 

Whoa, sorry for the late game thread. M’s scored 2 in the top of the first on a two-out single by Adam Kennedy. Happy belated Felix Day!

Hernandez v. Haren

Line-up:
1: Ichiro
2: Ryan
3: Ackley
4: Smoak
5: Kennedy
6: Gutierrez
7: Bard
8: Seager
9: Halman

Comments

105 Responses to “Game 91, Mariners at Angels”

  1. dallin on July 10th, 2011 1:10 pm

    Michael Pineda is an All-Star!!

  2. Ibuprofen on July 10th, 2011 1:10 pm

    SEAGER!

  3. scott19 on July 10th, 2011 1:10 pm

    Congrats on your first MLB hit, Kyle Seager!

  4. Edgar4Hall on July 10th, 2011 1:16 pm

    Congrats to Seager!

    Also Congrats to Pineda but I hope he’s their emergency guy so he can rest

  5. Westside guy on July 10th, 2011 1:20 pm

    Haha! I’m a bit late, but – Seager hits a triple for his first base hit!

  6. Breadbaker on July 10th, 2011 1:21 pm

    How often does the “always run with two outs” get you like that? Well, the Mariners, yes, but how often does it work in our favor like that?

  7. heychuck01 on July 10th, 2011 1:24 pm

    Looking at the replay, it looks like Felix could have got Trout at 1st anyway. I understand Felix has a pretty good arm. He really just took the ‘easy’ way because he would have had to at least rushed the throw to 1st.

  8. Breadbaker on July 10th, 2011 1:25 pm

    Torii Hunter would have been called “that man” by Dave at this point.

  9. Ibuprofen on July 10th, 2011 1:25 pm

    I hate Torii Hunter.

  10. Shawnuel on July 10th, 2011 1:27 pm

    Son of a BITCH! Stinkin’ Hunter!

  11. Ibuprofen on July 10th, 2011 1:36 pm

    Wait, what the hell. That walk was on ball three. Again.

  12. tubbabubba22 on July 10th, 2011 1:39 pm

    I think the scoreboard was just wrong…

  13. Ibuprofen on July 10th, 2011 1:42 pm

    The ump called it a strike, three ball walk.

  14. tubbabubba22 on July 10th, 2011 1:42 pm

    what the hell!! I was wrong. they just showed the replay. 3 balls

  15. puppyfoot on July 10th, 2011 1:43 pm

    I liked Hunter more when he was dropping Peggy’s flyball in centerfield at Safeco for the walk-off M’s win.

  16. Andrew34 on July 10th, 2011 1:44 pm

    I was thinking that that was 3 balls, and then I thought the TV screwed up, and the ump’s wouldn’t do that twice… Never have faith in umpires.

  17. G-Man on July 10th, 2011 1:46 pm

    3-balls AGAIN! This is f-ing ridiculous, Mariners. Have somebody on the bench keeping track. Say, one of the other starting pitchers.

  18. Auggeydog on July 10th, 2011 1:47 pm

    This is the fault of both the Umps and Wedge’s staff. Someone should be paying attention. There are 30 some guys in their dugout and the 4 Umpires, it should never happen. Maybe Wedge will have a guy charting ptiches now. I can’t believe nobody noticed this again.

  19. G-Man on July 10th, 2011 1:48 pm

    Still, I blame the umps for the screw-up. They are supposed to get it right.

  20. Ichirolling51 on July 10th, 2011 1:50 pm

    How the hell does that happen twice in a week to the same team, after not happening in recent memory? Better yet, how does Wedge let it happen twice in a week?

  21. G-Man on July 10th, 2011 1:53 pm

    I believe the next day’s starter usually charts. Maybe when there is this sort of discrepancy, he tends to think that he had a pitch down as a strike that was actually called a ball. He should have a second idle starter checking, too, and if they both get 3 balls on a walk, yell quickly.

  22. Westside guy on July 10th, 2011 1:53 pm

    Shouldn’t the pitcher who’s charting the game catch that, if no one else does?

    Ah, G-Man beat me to it.

    He should have a second idle starter checking

    As Maxwell Smart might say, “maybe we should have THREE pitchers are charting the game. Then if the first two miss it, the THIRD guy could catch it!”

  23. Westside guy on July 10th, 2011 1:56 pm

    Ugh, Trumbo.

  24. scott19 on July 10th, 2011 1:57 pm

    Some of this short-count officiating lately is starting to resemble that of the old “heel” refs in the WWE. I’m surprised they haven’t tried to recruit “Dangerous” Danny Davis (if he’s still around) as a major-league ump these days.

  25. Ibuprofen on July 10th, 2011 1:57 pm

    As Maxwell Smart might say, “maybe we should have THREE pitchers are charting the game. Then if the first two miss it, the THIRD guy could catch it!”

    Hahahaha perfect. I used to watch that show on TV Land.

  26. Breadbaker on July 10th, 2011 2:03 pm

    Hahahaha perfect. I used to watch that show on TV Land.

    Make me feel really old, will you? I watched the premiere on my parents’ black and white TV. Still, never laughed so hard in my life.

  27. Westside guy on July 10th, 2011 2:03 pm

    Hahahaha perfect. I used to watch that show on TV Land.

    We just bought the boxed set. :-D

  28. scott19 on July 10th, 2011 2:05 pm

    2001 M’s: “Two outs…so what?!”

    2011 M’s: “Two on…so what?!”

  29. Auggeydog on July 10th, 2011 2:07 pm

    Davis is one of the better Umps. One of the 4 should catch it, there is no excuse. I wonder if the League will step in and do something, fines or suspensions. Maybe make all 4 guys have a counter and keep track for awhile. These guys are very good usually, but maybe too complacent. There should be something done.

    I also think the pitcher only charts his own team not the opposing team, but not sure about that. I also have not seen every pitcher charting this year, maybe Wedge leaves it up to them.

  30. Auggeydog on July 10th, 2011 2:11 pm

    Eager Seager pulled up on that one. Ryan has been talking to him and telling him to let him field his position I bet. He is good just needs to learn when and when not to go after a ball.

  31. Edgar4Hall on July 10th, 2011 2:11 pm

    I wonder if the League will step in and do something, fines or suspensions

    I really think this should happen. Also I was not for computers calling before this year since I always enjoyed the uances of feeling out the slightly different strike zones. But since the idea of instant replay has been floated it seems that all of the Umps have gone downhill. Plus they won’t ven do “my bad” calls like NFL refs do if they screwed up before. I’m done with this goddamn power trip that they have. Bring in the robots lol

  32. scott19 on July 10th, 2011 2:11 pm

    Hahahaha perfect. I used to watch that show on TV Land.

    Actually, I think Get Smart! might be on one of those newer retro-TV channels these days, too…like ME-TV.

  33. Jordan on July 10th, 2011 2:12 pm

    I’m checking in late. Why does gameday show 4 balls if there was only 3?

  34. Edgar4Hall on July 10th, 2011 2:13 pm

    Eager Seager pulled up on that one. Ryan has been talking to him and telling him to let him field his position I bet. He is good just needs to learn when and when not to go after a ball.

    I really am glad that it seems that Ryan has taken it as his personal responsibility to train Seager to play the field (kinda like Fleix and Pineda but less talneted version). Seems that Ryan not only has been amazing with the glove but decent with the bat and pretty great in the club house.

    Plus, the mustache is amazing

  35. Westside guy on July 10th, 2011 2:16 pm

    Actually, I think Get Smart! might be on one of those newer retro-TV channels these days, too…like ME-TV.

    You’re right. I’d watched it as a kid in reruns (in the 1970s), but somewhat forgotten about it. Then we started watching it again now that it’s on channel 72 – my 20-year-old daughter LOVES the show! The DVD set was the first thing on her birthday list. :-)

    I also thought the price on Amazon was great – $86.99 (for non-fans, “86″ and “99″ were the two main secret agent characters).

  36. Westside guy on July 10th, 2011 2:20 pm

    I really am glad that it seems that Ryan has taken it as his personal responsibility to train Seager to play the field (kinda like Fleix and Pineda but less talneted version).

    Yeah, although I’m not going to fault “eager Seager” at all. It’s not every third baseman that’s blessed to play next to a defensive wizard like Brendan Ryan. If Yuni was our SS (God forbid), we’d want Seager to attempt to get all the balls he could.

  37. Edgar4Hall on July 10th, 2011 2:24 pm

    Westy why do you have to even bring up that name?

  38. Ibuprofen on July 10th, 2011 2:26 pm

    3B was my position when I played and Seager isn’t really in the wrong for going after those balls. His momentum is going towards first while Ryan is moving away from first. He’s just doing what he’s been taught his entire career :D So it’s a hard habit to break when you’ve got one of the best defensive shortstops in the game off to your left. You have to feel out where the cutoff for the shortstop to get the ball and easily throw the runner out is, and that takes a while haha

  39. Westside guy on July 10th, 2011 2:28 pm

    Westy why do you have to even bring up that name?

    So if people are feeling really frustrated right now, they can remember they have something to be thankful for! :-D

  40. Auggeydog on July 10th, 2011 2:28 pm

    There was a play a few games ago might have been Seagers first. He went in front of Ryan and threw to second, but they could not turn the DP. Some guys were faulting Seager for not turning the DP and thought he should have let Ryan take it. That was the right play, Ryan was going away from 2nd and Seager going towards it. Ryam would have had a tough time with either bag. Seager though has stepped in front more than you think a rookie would. I like it, he is confident enough to do it. I think it is the fact he has not played 3rd for awhile, and never at this level. He will be a good one, just needs to learn the position.

  41. Westside guy on July 10th, 2011 2:31 pm

    BTW I like the “Eager Seager” monicker Auggeydog.

  42. Auggeydog on July 10th, 2011 2:35 pm

    I am going to predict it now Eager Seager gets the hit tha makes the difference in the game.

  43. Westside guy on July 10th, 2011 2:38 pm

    Ugh, unfortunately the Rangers have started doing what a number of us expected them to do – start going on a tear now that they’ve got most of their stars back.

  44. henryv on July 10th, 2011 2:39 pm

    It will be interesting if the Sounders can score more in the second half, of if the M’s can score more in a 9 inning game.

    Might end up being a tie.

  45. Westside guy on July 10th, 2011 2:40 pm

    I’m still mostly happy with the Mariners youth movement overall.

  46. Auggeydog on July 10th, 2011 2:41 pm

    We got Ack Attack, Smoak Bomb (wcich we need to see more of) and Eager SEager kinda fits I think. The bones for a pretty goos infield.

    I really think with a little time we have our LF in Halman unless Jack can do a miracle in the off season. I would move that below Catcher now. So our biggest needs IMHO are a young good C, a good DH with power, and then a LF that can hit for power. Halman won’t have the power, but looks like he might do just fine out there. If we can keep Squatch on the bench and let Halman play we will be better.

  47. scott19 on July 10th, 2011 2:43 pm

    I also thought the price on Amazon was great – $86.99 (for non-fans, “86? and “99? were the two main secret agent characters).

    I loved watching that in reruns after-school when I was a kid, too…and, yeah, that price-point for the box set cracks me up! :)

  48. henryv on July 10th, 2011 2:44 pm

    The Seattle Mariners: “Win or lose, we get juice boxes after the game!”

  49. Westside guy on July 10th, 2011 2:45 pm

    I missed something. I was just looking at the box score on ESPN, and it doesn’t show Seager’s triple (just a hit). I do see an error by Trout during the game… did they change the scoring on that?

  50. henryv on July 10th, 2011 2:45 pm

    Mariners 2, Sounders 2.

  51. Westside guy on July 10th, 2011 2:46 pm

    BTW I absolutely hate those Sound Transit “old lady” ads and promos.

  52. Westside guy on July 10th, 2011 2:47 pm

    Hehe, henryv.

  53. Auggeydog on July 10th, 2011 2:48 pm

    Westside, of the young guys the spot that is the worst is LF. Like I just said Halman if he gets consistent playing time could be the guy. Pitching should not be a problem for awhile unless we have an injury. I like the fact we have fewer holes with the new kids than we did at the begining of the season. They need time to learn the game and become what it looks like they will be. I know it is not a popular belief, but Kennedy is a part of that. He has the experience, and the club house demeanor to help them learn. Ryan is another one that like was said earlier can take both Seager and Ackley under his wing and help them. If Z does a miracle in the off season this team could and should be much better next season.

  54. Auggeydog on July 10th, 2011 2:48 pm

    Westside it was a single with a 2 base error on Trout.

  55. henryv on July 10th, 2011 2:54 pm

    Pitching should not be a problem for awhile unless we have an injury.

    Two weeks late on that one? :)

    I know it is not a popular belief, but Kennedy is a part of that.

    Where? DH? Unless he can catch, it wouldn’t seem to make sense for him to be on this team as much more than fill-in here and there.

    But it would seem that he will just end up blocking guys like Truinfel and Franklin from spots on the roster.

    We’ve seen a decade of mediocre players who are there because they are good “clubhouse guys” and “experienced veterans”.

    Let’s be good instead.

  56. henryv on July 10th, 2011 2:54 pm

    Sounders 3, Mariners 2.

    Montero 2, Mariners 2, in case you were wondering.

  57. themedia on July 10th, 2011 2:57 pm

    What happened to the smoke and mirrors? Oh, yeah, those are gone.

  58. Westside guy on July 10th, 2011 3:00 pm

    I have no issue with Kennedy being on the team – I just think it’s obvious he not well suited to being an everyday player. Fortunately with the Seager call-up, it’ll be easier to use Kennedy as our regular infield sub. Unfortunately, the team still needs to figure out what to do with Figgins…

  59. Westside guy on July 10th, 2011 3:00 pm

    Man, I am LOVING Dustin Ackley!

  60. henryv on July 10th, 2011 3:01 pm

    What happened to the smoke and mirrors? Oh, yeah, those are gone.

    Smoak and meritocracy?

    Seriously, though, this is what the team is.

    Not great offense, young players, and good pitching.

    90 losses is calling our name.

  61. Idaho M on July 10th, 2011 3:02 pm

    Smoak Bomb may turn into Smoak Bust !

  62. Sports on a Schtick on July 10th, 2011 3:02 pm

    Smoak needs to figure out how to hit or the M’s may need to find a first baseman.

  63. Ichirolling51 on July 10th, 2011 3:04 pm

    I thought Smoak was supose to be good. He’s been damn near as bad as Figgins the last couple months, I can’t even remember his last HR.

  64. Ibuprofen on July 10th, 2011 3:06 pm

    Hey guys I like to overreact to slumping players too.

  65. Westside guy on July 10th, 2011 3:06 pm

    The league has adjusted to Justin Smoak – now Justin Smoak needs to adjust to the league.

    However his rather low .216 BABIP over the last 30 days is at least part of the problem. His numbers should get better even if he doesn’t adjust. But to be the guy we hope for, he’ll definitely need to figure out those inside pitches.

  66. Ibuprofen on July 10th, 2011 3:08 pm

    Now would be the perfect time to PH Cust or hell, even Peggy. WTF WEDGE

  67. OffensivelyChallenged on July 10th, 2011 3:08 pm

    Really should pinch hit for Guti.

  68. themedia on July 10th, 2011 3:10 pm

    This series all but eliminated us. It sucks, but it’s going to almost impossible to outplay the Rangers by 8 games or so for the rest of the season. I’m not sure if this means we should be ‘sellers,’ but I think it means we should get whatever we can for our ‘veterans.’

  69. Ibuprofen on July 10th, 2011 3:11 pm

    Sell, baby, sell!

  70. henryv on July 10th, 2011 3:12 pm

    It’s over!

    Sounders 3, Mariners 2.

    Montero with 2 goals, easily handling the M’s.

    Congrats to the Mariners for not outscoring a soccer team’s scoring in the second half of a game!

  71. themedia on July 10th, 2011 3:12 pm

    Not really Guti’s fault. There’s no way he could have predicted that Walden would throw a fastball there.

  72. Westside guy on July 10th, 2011 3:13 pm

    I think maybe a trade “Figgins for a truckload of bats” would make sense, given Peguero’s penchant for breaking the things.

  73. kenshabby on July 10th, 2011 3:13 pm

    Mmkay, have officially given up on the 2011 Mariners. Took a bit longer than I had expected; certainly longer than in any recent season. A team that cannot score runs cannot contend.

    Not sure which M’s iteration is more frustrating–2011, 2009, or 2007. Probably this one, what with the oft-stellar pitching held back by the dreadful offense and mediocre defense.

    Will continue to enjoy watching Felix, Pineda, Ackley, and a few others. Really hope Ichiro gets his act together (seems like he’s on that path). Wonder what trades (if any) the M’s will make. They’re sellers now in any case.

  74. Sports on a Schtick on July 10th, 2011 3:13 pm

    Every position except 2nd base could use an upgrade. Time to start thinking about 2012.

  75. SonOfZavaras on July 10th, 2011 3:14 pm

    Wrote this in the Game 90 post:

    I think Felix has to win tomorrow. If we lose and the Rangers win again, we’re all but done in terms of competing for this year’s division title.

    I’m not so sure if King Felix wins, that we’re still in it at all….but I do know that this team would need a hell of a lot of inspired play and a lot of things going right in order to overtake one of the teams ahead of us, and just doesn’t have the horses to overtake both of them if it stays like this MUCH longer.

    Well, I know now. 7.5 games out. We’re done. Time to sell.

  76. Westside guy on July 10th, 2011 3:16 pm

    Given the circumstances this year, I’m a little disappointed at the way things turned out. But since I never really bought into the 2011 Mariners as contenders – I’m not crushed or anything.

    I’m certainly willing to continue watching this team, as opposed to the 2010 Mariners. There are definitely signs of a bright future!

    Also, I hate Mark Trumbo.

  77. Ibuprofen on July 10th, 2011 3:17 pm

    We should put anyone who isn’t named Ackley or Felix on the trading block at this point.

  78. SonOfZavaras on July 10th, 2011 3:18 pm

    BTW I like the “Eager Seager” monicker Auggeydog.

    I like that one, but am still partial to “Night Moves”.

  79. Dustbust on July 10th, 2011 3:18 pm

    Smoak is fine. Baseball players slump. Simple.

  80. Ichirolling51 on July 10th, 2011 3:20 pm

    What can we get for Bedard? You guys think the Yankees might be willing to give us one of their top 5 prospects for his services? Brett Gardner and Manny Benualos seems like a fair trade. Maybe we may have to throw in another mid-level guy, but I still think we should be looking to deal Bedard while he has value.

  81. Auggeydog on July 10th, 2011 3:23 pm

    Henry you need a guy on the bench that can play multiple positions. I am not saying he should be a starter, but a sub for the times when a guy needs a break, or has been pinched hit for and we need a player to go in for them. As for DH no we need a bat with some power. There is not a player on the team who scares opposing pitchers. We need one of those guys.

    As for the injury, we have a guy who has come up and done fine in replacement. Plus it is a minor injury and not to an arm. I had my theroy it was done to rest him, another guy had one it was so they could/would not trade him. He thought he wanted to stay here. Not sure who it was though.

    Smoak is starting to worry me, but I am not giving up on him yet. He has seen some pretty good pitching lately and has struggled. Give him a little bit of time. When he came we knew his bat was behind his fielding.

    I see a lot to be excited about here, we need to be patient. We need to remember what we thought this team would be going into the year. The pitching has kept us in the race, and the O has killed us. Z needs to find some bats, and the young guys keep improving. I still find it confusing why people discount veteran guys in the clubhouse. I guess we will never agree on the point, which is OK for me. I just think we need to agree to disagree.

  82. Westside guy on July 10th, 2011 3:25 pm

    I’m willing to let the Mariners give Halman a chance to prove his case.

    Guti… he’s showing signs of turning things around. If he doesn’t though, he needs to go on the 60-day DL and let the doctors SOLVE this.

    I’m not willing to judge Ichiro until the end of the season. Players slump.

    I’m not worried about Smoak. See above.

    Ackley – ’nuff said.

    Ryan is doing more than we hoped. We’re fine at short.

    Seager just arrived – let’s not worry about third base yet.

    At catcher, I’m okay with O-o-oLIVo. The big question (cogent to Auggeydog’s earlier comment) is how well Moore comes back. Having it’s best young catcher hit with two serious knee injuries in two years, though, may force the team to pursue other options.

  83. Ichirolling51 on July 10th, 2011 3:25 pm

    Edit: I don’t see the Yankees giving us Benualos AND Gardner, but maybe Gardner and Ivan Nova?

  84. seahopp on July 10th, 2011 3:25 pm

    This series has really sucked but I think it is important to remember that today even in a a loss there are positive things on this team.

    Ackley continues to impress with his bat, Seager picked up his first hit and a walk, and even though Smoak is slumping right now it means he is learning how to deal with struggling at the plate.

    Even though things have mostly sucked for the past 8 years, we have a good GM and a positive future so look for the encouraging things.

  85. Westside guy on July 10th, 2011 3:27 pm

    I agree 100% with seahopp.

  86. Dustbust on July 10th, 2011 3:29 pm

    It sure didn’t help that Bedard has now missed 2 starts due to injury. If they dangle Jesus Montero in front of Z, again, I hope he snatches that up. If he can’t figure out the catching position, we can put him at 1st and DH Smoak.

    I’m mostly concerned with our entire outfield.

  87. henryv on July 10th, 2011 3:29 pm

    Jack Wilson and Jack Cust really should be done at this point, now that the season is over.

    It would be nice if we got anything for them, but you can’t except that.

    I imagine Pauley, Wright, League, and Gray are probably all available for prospects.

    Vargas is an interesting trade commodity, seeing as how he will probably cost us 5+ million next year.

    Kennedy is probably available, also.

    It might also be valuable to give Chone Figgins some at bats in the hope that he can figures out what the hell he is doing. Even to unload him while paying most of his contract would be okay. If we can just get SOMETHING from him.

    And obviously, getting something for Bedard would be good.

  88. henryv on July 10th, 2011 3:31 pm

    It sure didn’t help that Bedard has now missed 2 starts due to injury.

    He was replaced by someone who outpitched him.

  89. Ichirolling51 on July 10th, 2011 3:33 pm

    Do we have anyone playing in the Futures game?

  90. Ibuprofen on July 10th, 2011 3:34 pm

    Paxton and Liddi for the World team.

  91. Auggeydog on July 10th, 2011 3:34 pm

    What is the name of the guy whos is blocked by Montero, I can’t remember? I think he might be a guy. Also the Red’s have a few extra Catchers, which might work.

    Sports on a Schtick You giving up on Seager? Ryan is one of the best fielding SS in the MLB. Smoak is young and learning. Ichiro even though not playing well would be hard to upgrade. Guti is still not 100%, I still think he should go on the DL to get some strength back. I think we need to give Halman a chance, but could be upgraded. Sp let’s say screw it and trade them all. Nobody really thought this team would be this close. We are young, and it is fun to watch them learn. It is frustrating too, somedays you want to scream.

    If we go back to Dave’s post awhile ago we need to upgrade. We have the bones, they are young and need to learn. If we can upgrade I say go for it, but to sell just because we won’t make the payoffs is silly.

  92. Dustbust on July 10th, 2011 3:36 pm

    Fransisco Cervelli

  93. Westside guy on July 10th, 2011 3:37 pm

    Why put Montero at first and DH Smoak? What does that gain you?

  94. Idaho M on July 10th, 2011 3:39 pm

    I was thinking with Smoak that we may get a poor mans Mark Teixeira. I hope its a slump as well but with over 700 big league ABs I am having my doubts. Last time he had a break he came back and hit very well. I hope he comes out after the All Star break and puts up some numbers.

  95. Dustbust on July 10th, 2011 3:41 pm

    Smoak’s glove has been a little lacking…wouldn’t you say? It could be my imagination, I guess.

  96. Ichirolling51 on July 10th, 2011 3:46 pm

    Gary Sanchez and Austin Romine are the two other catching prospects from the Yankees’ system. At this point I would prefer Romine, and possibly Sanchez over Montero. Montero is one of the most overrated prospects in all of baseball. Wew may be able to grab Sanchez or Romine from them for Bedard, as long as we recieved someone else such as Brett Gardner.

  97. The_Waco_Kid on July 10th, 2011 3:49 pm

    Most of our hitting budget is tied up with Ichiro, Figgins, and Guti, this year and next. As long as Figgins and Guti are unbearable and Ichiro is putting up mediocre numbers, I don’t see how we can win. Hoping for a bunch of Ackleys or Kennedies to score runs on the cheap is not gonna cut it. So…if those 3 don’t bounce back and ownership refuses to spend more, we’re pretty much screwed.

  98. djtizzo on July 10th, 2011 4:00 pm

    So, is it official yet? Are we sellers now?

  99. Auggeydog on July 10th, 2011 4:00 pm

    Dustbust Smoak’s UZR is -1.9 but it is a small sample size according to fangraphs. If you compare that to Peguero who is a 47 which one would you rather have on D? I do not remember Smoak having too many errors, we need to give him some time , he is still pretty young.

    Ichirolling51 Romine is the guy I was thinking about. Would like to see him over Montero becaue he would be much cheaper. I am not sure how much the Yankees will deal with us after last year. Z used them to get Smoak from Texas. We will see what Z can do in this year. Before the deadline and the off season.

  100. Sports on a Schtick on July 10th, 2011 4:06 pm

    Most of our hitting budget is tied up with Ichiro, Figgins, and Guti, this year and next. As long as Figgins and Guti are unbearable and Ichiro is putting up mediocre numbers, I don’t see how we can win.

    With Guti at least his defense will cover for him. Figgins… nothing can be said. It is what it is. As for Ichiro complain if there’s a huge contract extension on the horizon.

    But yea 2012 is basically the same lineup barring some changes. Most the $$$ coming off the books is likely reinvesting into raises for the pitchers.

  101. SonOfZavaras on July 10th, 2011 4:11 pm

    So, is it official yet? Are we sellers now?

    7.5 out, a team-wide hitting slump and with two teams ahead of us- one of which who just swept our collective ass.

    Yeah, I think we’re sellers now. But if we’re not sellers yet, we’re a fly’s hair away from it.

  102. SonOfZavaras on July 10th, 2011 4:15 pm

    Ichirolling51 Romine is the guy I was thinking about. Would like to see him over Montero becaue he would be much cheaper. I am not sure how much the Yankees will deal with us after last year. Z used them to get Smoak from Texas.

    If it helps them get closer to a division title and a shot at the whole thing THIS year, the Yankees will talk turkey with us. The Smoak deal is probably water under the bridge now.

    I like the idea of Yasmani Grandal that Dave had in terms of acquiring a young catcher, but Cincinnati isn’t a surefire contender. But Romine from the Yankees? Hmmmm.

    The Yankees DO have Montero ahead of him and Gary Sanchez coming up, and he’s even higher regarded than Romine. Romine might be a VERY expendable piece to the Yankees.

  103. Westside guy on July 10th, 2011 6:15 pm

    The Smoak deal is probably water under the bridge now.

    Given the Yankees behavior a few years back – stealing David Wells out from under a verbal agreement he had in place with the Diamondbacks – it would be rather hypocritical for them to hold what happened with Cliff Lee against us for very long.

  104. scott19 on July 10th, 2011 8:01 pm

    Montero 2, Mariners 2, in case you were wondering.

    It’s too bad the Sounders play until October as well…since, even though Fredy Montero has probably never picked up a baseball bat in his life, he’d probably still be an improvement to the M’s lineup.

    As for trying to swing deals with the Yanks, Z could always pull off a blockbuster and trade Felix for a boatload of prospects. He’s bound to wind up there sooner or later, anyway…so why not give him an early chance at the ring he’ll never get here?

  105. groundzero55 on July 10th, 2011 9:02 pm

    As for trying to swing deals with the Yanks, Z could always pull off a blockbuster and trade Felix for a boatload of prospects.

    The Yankees don’t have a boatload of good prospects. I’m not really sure why the Yankees talk always comes up…their system is mediocre. That’s what happens when your draft picks are always low. A LOT of teams would give up a lot for Felix. Tampa comes to mind as a team that might have more to offer us.

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