Game 93, Rangers at Mariners

marc w · July 15, 2011 at 5:31 pm · Filed Under Mariners 

Fister vs. Lewis, 7:10pm

Well, Lewis’ has regressed this year and he’s righthanded, so hopefully the M’s won’t be quite so hopeless as they were last night. Of course, their offense is still pathetic and somehow getting worse, but I’ll grasp to any and all hopeful indicators.

One negative indicator has been Justin Smoak’s performance against right-handers this year. Coming into the year, the risk with Smoak was that he’d continue to struggle against lefties, but in fact he’s blown his projections against southpaws out of the water. Unfortunately, his wOBA’s below average against righties. Now, much of this is BABIP driven; his ISO is the same against lefties and righties, but fewer balls in play are dropping in for hits. Still, the fact that Colby Lewis is a righty was probably a factor in the M’s deciding to give Smoak the night off tonight. Kennedy will handle 1B duties while Jack Cust gets a start at DH.

The line-up:
1: Ichiro
2: Ryan
3: Ackley
4: Olivo
5: Kennedy
6: Cust
7: Guti
8: Seager
9: Peguero

The righty starter also Peguero’s back in the line-up in left field. Ryan Langerhans hit 2 HRs last night in Tacoma and probably commiserates with Mike Carp nightly. I realize that there’s not a lot of value in trotting out a minor league vet on the wrong side of 30 now that the M’s are essentially out of it, but there’s not a lot of value in watching your offense challenge…last year’s offense in the race to be the worst offense in a generation.

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54 Responses to “Game 93, Rangers at Mariners”

  1. TomC on July 15th, 2011 5:56 pm

    there’s not a lot of value in watching your offense challenge…last year’s offense in the race to be the worst offense in a generation.

    I know OPS is not the best statistic to measure offense — but it is a good rough team measure. Last year the Mariners came in dead last in the major leagues in team OPS at .637 – the major league average was .728.

    This year, so far, the major league average OPS is down 17 points to .711 but the Mariners are down 19 points to .618.

    Here are the Mariner position players who are posting an OPS above major league average this year, let’s call them contributors:

    Ackley .853
    Smoak .741
    Halman .714

    Here are the guys who are below league average but at least better than the Team average – let’s call them dead weight:

    Kennedy .700
    Cust .682
    Olivo .662
    Bard . 652 (small sample size)
    Suzuki .634
    Peguerro .626

    Here are the guys who are below even our miserable team average – let’s call them reverse thrusters:

    Ryan .612
    Wilson .502
    Figgins .478
    Gutierrez .444
    Seager .298 (very small sample size)

    When you break it down like this it seem obvious the Mariners should give no more at-bats this year to Figgins or Wilson (Hello DFA), rest Gutierrez a whole lot more, and plant Ryan in the #9 spot in the line up.

  2. scott19 on July 15th, 2011 7:04 pm

    I might actually head over to my neighborhood pub in a little while to watch this one. Not that expect the M’s to score any runs at all for poor Doug Fister, mind you…but at least if I’m watching the game with the sound muted, I won’t have to throw my radio out the window after about the first three innings or so of hearing Rick Rizzs ramble on about the 2001 season.

  3. scott19 on July 15th, 2011 7:17 pm

    Well, that would pretty much be game right there…ad it’s only 7:17!!

  4. Ibuprofen on July 15th, 2011 7:21 pm

    shannondrayer Shannon Drayer
    Aardsma to have Tommy John Surgery.

    GregJohnsMLB Greg Johns
    David Aardsma had MRI exam yesterday and will have Tommy John surgery late next week in Caliofrnia.

    LarryLaRue Larry LaRue
    #Mariners reliever David Aardsma underwent MRI exam Thursday, and recommended Tommy John surgery.

    Kirby Arnold: Mariners’ David Aardsma will have Tommy John surgery.

    Don’t you just love this season guys?!

  5. OffensivelyChallenged on July 15th, 2011 7:24 pm

    It takes half a season to figure out if a guy needs Tommy John?

  6. scott19 on July 15th, 2011 7:28 pm

    Not a doctor nor play one on TV, but I wonder if DA messed up both his delivery — and, ultimately, his arm — while trying to rehab the hip that was originally messed up?

  7. Breadbaker on July 15th, 2011 7:47 pm

    This isn’t Fister’s night. He couldn’t throw a strike to Andrus after Andrus had shown the ump up on a 3-1 count. That’s not good.

  8. OffensivelyChallenged on July 15th, 2011 7:48 pm

    I think I”m done with the M’s this year. Hate to be a fairweather fan but christ the games are so bad. Last year sucked and I stuck with em. But they made no effort to improve the offense. It is so horrible beyond horrible.

    I will cut the young guys some slack but guys like Figgins, Cust, Guti, even Ichiro don’t look like they are even trying.

    The only players worth watching are Ackley, Pineda, and Felix and that pisses me off. I’m beyond pissed off at this team. So horrible so very very horrible. How does it feel to be the worst offense of all time? This team sucks. Make an effort.

    Oh well maybe see you next year.

  9. scott19 on July 15th, 2011 7:54 pm

    the worst offense of all time

    Pretty much, yeah…

    This team is so pathetic on offense these days, they’d make that early-70′s Angels team which Nolan Ryan toiled away on look like the ’27 Yankees by comparison.

  10. TomC on July 15th, 2011 7:55 pm

    Once again the Mariners are making a so-so pitcher look like a Cy Young award contender.

  11. Dave Spiwak on July 15th, 2011 7:56 pm

    Haven’t I seen this game before? Like last night?

  12. TomC on July 15th, 2011 7:58 pm

    Pitchng + defense + no offense = very unentertaining games. Ultimately, this is supposed to be entertaining.

  13. scott19 on July 15th, 2011 8:00 pm

    Gee…it only took the M’s until the bottom of the third to get their fist hit tonight.

    Things must be looking up…

  14. FelixFanChris420 on July 15th, 2011 8:05 pm

    Pegeuro took his 8th walk in 46 games, that’s something positive…

    Or not

  15. scott19 on July 15th, 2011 8:11 pm

    Well, at least if this game gets any drowsier, they’ve got Starsky & Hutch on Channel 7.2 these days during this time slot.

  16. JR Ewing on July 15th, 2011 8:15 pm

    My favorite number comes from the DH. Mr. Cust has faced 73 pitches on a 3-2 count, anyone care to guess how many of those pitches became base hits? Certainly, his 27 unintentional walks brings some value on a full count, but don’t you want your DH to get more than 1 hit every 73 times he sees a 3-2 pitch. Check that, 1 hit in 74 foul count pitches.

  17. Ibuprofen on July 15th, 2011 8:24 pm

    Check that, 1 hit in 74 full count pitches.

    That’s awful. Truly, truly awful.

  18. G-Man on July 15th, 2011 8:28 pm

    Still a good AB for Seager – 11 pitches, albeit a K.

  19. Breadbaker on July 15th, 2011 8:33 pm

    Who has “next year” in the pool for when we score our next run?

  20. G-Man on July 15th, 2011 8:33 pm

    I’m shocked, shocked I tell you that the leadoff double died at second.

  21. Westside guy on July 15th, 2011 8:35 pm

    Cust is basically a fill-in this year. I’m not going to get worked up about him too much, given some of the other crap players that are being run out there day after day.

    The flirtation this team had with relevancy did the fanbase a disservice in my opinion. We need to remember it’s mostly about development this year, and focus on what positives can be found (e.g. Ackley, maybe Seager, and hopefully Smoak working things out).

    Me… I’m not really paying a lot of attention anymore. It makes it easier to take the awful production from so many spots.

    I do think Guti should be on the DL now. Do whatever it takes to get him healthy for next year, rather than continue running a sub-par unhealthy centerfielder out there in a season that’s basically doesn’t matter anymore.

  22. bostock4ever on July 15th, 2011 8:43 pm

    I hate the DH rule, always have. But its here to stay so unless M’s can find the next Edgar or Ortiz the position is best used to give a rest to a position player. Why waste money signing a “professional” DH?
    Interesting article about Adam Dunn’s struggle making the transition.:
    http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AsdMJKm.Gjs0xQH6swvrni2FCLcF?slug=ap-thedhdilemma

  23. Breadbaker on July 15th, 2011 8:45 pm

    Ackley just made two good plays at second.

  24. Dave Spiwak on July 15th, 2011 8:52 pm

    I’m not giving up. I predict a walk-off bases loaded walk by Cust!

  25. nickwest1976 on July 15th, 2011 8:58 pm

    I agree that this year is about development but at some point you actually need to put a major league product on the field. I mean a AAA offense could beat this offense right now.

    Peguero has no business being in major league baseball, he belongs in AAA where he can really work on things for a while.

    Langerhans is the best left field option right now and should be playing in left field and Carp should DH. I would send Peguero down and DFA Figgins. Gives the M’s 10 days to see if a team is willing to swap a bad contract where it might make some sense or you just cut him and move on.

    Langerhans has some pop and patience and is a plus defender and instantly upgrades LF. Carp has patience and has showed pop this year and could upgrade DH.

    Obviously this team is not contending for anything this year but at some point you have to actually show your fan base your still trying to compete and run out a decent product. Carp getting at bats fits the development plan and Langerhans can be replaced if the team brings in a better long-term fit in LF. Halman can then play 3-4 times per week spelling LF/CF and even Ichiro in RF one day a week (Ichiro can DH).

    I am all for playing the kids but the kids have to be somewhat ready and Carlos Peguero is not even close.

  26. bostock4ever on July 15th, 2011 8:59 pm

    Endy Chavez is a free agent after this year..hmmm

  27. nickwest1976 on July 15th, 2011 9:00 pm

    Not to mention you are going to lose all of your starting pitchers mentally, if you haven’t already, if this team continues to score 1-2 runs per game.

  28. sexymarinersfan on July 15th, 2011 9:00 pm

    Doug Fister, you’re the man!! Our offense is not major league worthy. There is one good decent hitter in the entire lineup. Can’t win like that. Time to find replacements at every position except 2nd base. Get to work Z!

  29. henryv on July 15th, 2011 9:01 pm

    25 comments in 8 innings.

    Starting to feel like last year.

    Waiting for football to start, and hoping the Sounders don’t choke in the playoffs, again.

    Whomever you blame, this collection of players (note I didn’t say “team”) is utterly unwatchable, boring, and largely a handful of uninteresting players and individuals.

    I’d rather if we re-signed Milton Bradley and his “F–k Eric Wedge shirt” and at least be entertained.

  30. henryv on July 15th, 2011 9:03 pm

    3 runs. More than the M’s could score in a week.

  31. henryv on July 15th, 2011 9:04 pm

    This needs to be Peguero’s last game.

    This is just sad. He simply can’t play at this level.

  32. Ibuprofen on July 15th, 2011 9:12 pm

    Ichiold.

  33. G-Man on July 15th, 2011 9:20 pm

    Endy Chavez is a free agent after this year..hmmm
    Be sure he knows we got rid of Yuni.

  34. Ibuprofen on July 15th, 2011 9:23 pm

    Oooooo Ackley hit.

  35. NateTheGreat on July 15th, 2011 9:30 pm

    Jack Cust is worthless

  36. henryv on July 15th, 2011 9:30 pm

    It should be noted that over the last two days, the Sounders and the Mariners have scored the exact same number. So the M’s have that, I suppose.

  37. Dave Spiwak on July 15th, 2011 9:35 pm

    It’s deja vu all over again. But I’m looking on the bright side. It’s bad for the Rangers because they think they’re good after beating up the A’s and the M’s. It’s good for the M’s because regression to the mean is definitely on their side.

  38. Swungonandbelted on July 15th, 2011 9:36 pm

    Fister really needs to give this “award” out to every member of the offense right now….


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tYpuxZDjvY&feature=related

  39. FelixFanChris420 on July 15th, 2011 9:37 pm

    Dave Spiwak, isn’t that what we thought last year… frowny face

  40. Jokerman on July 15th, 2011 9:42 pm

    Watching this team is like having your teeth pulled while you’re dragged over tacks as lemon juice drips over you and…well you get the idea. This is the most pathetic excuse for a group of athletes I think ive ever seen (pitching aside). I cant pin all this on Jack, but he’s been here three years and the offense to me feels far worse than when he started. True, weve got hope for the future in Ackley and Smoak but does it really matter if youre sending out 7 black holes out there besides them? The “management” for this “organization” really should think about handing out free morphine to fans who come out to watch this dribble. 26 straight scorless innings. TWENTY-SIX. Go 2012….er, 2013….er, well theres always Ken Griffy Jr. Baseball for the SNES.

  41. marinerblue on July 15th, 2011 9:43 pm

    So is the plan just leave Peg up here until he’s completely broke, ala Saunders? Jeesh. The guy is clearly outmatched and not remotely helping this team – if they care about his future for this ball club at all please send him down!

  42. Sports on a Schtick on July 15th, 2011 9:43 pm

    Runs scored during Fister’s last ten starts:

    0 1 0 2 5 0 1 2 4 2

  43. Jokerman on July 15th, 2011 9:45 pm

    Look on the bright side, at least the 2010 Mariners can sleep soundly knowing they’re not the worst offense of all time anymore.

  44. BillyJive on July 15th, 2011 9:47 pm

    Please trade Doug Fister…not cuz he sucks…because he deserves better…

  45. jephdood on July 15th, 2011 9:48 pm

    Something has to change. I hate to be reactionary, but a move.. ANY move.. has to be made NOW. This team is a total embarrassment.

  46. Jokerman on July 15th, 2011 9:55 pm

    Hell, the entire pitching staff deserves better BillyJive.

  47. Chris_From_Bothell on July 15th, 2011 9:59 pm

    Trade Fister to Boston for any outfielder with a pulse. Fister deserves run support. Ms need a new guy in left field rather than the fail parade we’ve gotten so far this year.

  48. Auggeydog on July 15th, 2011 11:54 pm

    It should be noted that over the last two days, the Sounders Seahawks and the Mariners have scored the exact same number. So the M’s have that, I suppose.

    Added one for you.

  49. The_Waco_Kid on July 16th, 2011 1:22 am

    It’s getting to the point that I don’t understand how they could possibly hit this poorly. It’s like a bad dream. They shoulda been able to put 9 rookies in the lineup and score more runs than last year.

  50. SonOfZavaras on July 16th, 2011 2:38 am

    Trade Fister to Boston for any outfielder with a pulse.

    Fister for Ryan Kalish, straight up. If they said “okay”, I jump all over that deal.

    And I’m a guy who likes “Iron Fist”.

    As for the offense…yeah. 7 straight losses and back-to-back shutouts (and authored by “currently-not-exactly-world-beating pitchers” like Holland and Lewis, no less). A lot of ugly 2010 memories are closer to the forefront than I’d like.

    But this won’t last, and our commentary is getting nastier than it needs to be. They are NOT as bad as these last two games indicate. They’re not GOOD, but they won’t stay at this level of sewage-scraping awful.

    Not so long ago, they were scraping out wins and stealing a couple, here and there. I gotta believe
    that while they’re no contender, they have it in them to do more of that (provided Figgins doesn’t play again and Peguero goes down to Tacoma- that SURELY would help).

    Just gotta get past this “what’s-beyond-lousy?” streak, is all.

  51. currcoug on July 16th, 2011 7:23 am

    Lest we forget, Langerhans was hitting .173, was released, cleared waivers, and is already 31. He also has a career .372 SLG/.705 OPS.

    At this point, we are out of the AL West race, and there is little reason to take AB’s away from younger players, and give them to a AAAA player like Langerhans…who has most likely has no future with the Mariners.

    Meanwhile, Mike Morse carries a career .480 SLG/.829 OPS, and has an SLG of .529 this year, with 15 HR’s. It would be nice to have him at DH.

  52. make_dave_proud on July 16th, 2011 9:02 am

    They are NOT as bad as these last two games indicate. They’re not GOOD, but they won’t stay at this level of sewage-scraping awful.

    Actually, they are this bad. A few players (Ackley, Smoak, Ichiro) have the skills to compete as major-league hitters. Everyone else just aren’t major-league caliber hitters, simple as that.

  53. SonOfZavaras on July 16th, 2011 1:12 pm

    Actually, they are this bad. A few players (Ackley, Smoak, Ichiro) have the skills to compete as major-league hitters. Everyone else just aren’t major-league caliber hitters, simple as that.

    A healthy Gutierrez still qualifies as “having the skills”, IMHO. Olivo,too. If he weren’t a catcher, though…

  54. eponymous coward on July 17th, 2011 5:54 pm

    Ichiro HAD the skills. And may still have them. But he’s not showing them in 2011, if he still has them, and 2012 is his walk year.

    They aren’t this bad, but let’s see- probably nothing major in deadline deals, they have holes at 3 OF positions, 3B and DH, Figgins is probably 9 million in dead salary, Ichiro is looking like 20 million in dead salary these days, Guti is about to become a bunch of dead salary… and we’re running out of plausible ways to blame Bill Bavasi for this team’s inability to score, several years after the overwhelming majority of the roster’s been turned over.

    One of the goals for this year was to have a team that wasn’t a complete trainwreck, so that the kids aren’t playing in a terrible environment. If this goes on, I’d have to say Jack’s failed at this one- and “wait until we have salary space next year” is getting VERY old.

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