Cactus League Game #25: Moyers at Felixes

marc w · April 2, 2012 at 11:09 am · Filed Under Mariners 

This is a spring training game. This is a spring training game that, improbably, takes place after the M’s have played two regular season games, and after they’ve played two additional Cactus League games since returning in a sea of viruses. We’ve heard reports that Franklin Gutierrez was near returning, but he hasn’t and won’t today. There’s just about no way that this could capture your attention. Unless….

Moyer

Felix

There’s a line-up for this game, but it’s of lesser importance. This game is just one joke, repeated for 4-5 innings. That’s actually OK; this joke happens to be fairly amusing. The avuncular looking man pictured above, grinning and holding a baseball as if describing it to a first-grade class, has made the Rockies rotation after a great spring. Moyer was the oldest active player when the M’s sent him east in 2006. He told everyone that he would rehab from Tommy John surgery and come back better than ever, and while no one would’ve wished him ill, I don’t think many thought this was possible. Opposing him is Felix Hernandez, another one of the three best M’s hurlers ever. Tune in at 1; I believe this one’s on ROOT sports, as well as 710am/Mariners Radio/MLB Gameday audio/etc.

The line-up of lesser importance:
1: Figgins (LF)
2: Ryan (SS)
3: Ichiro! (RF)
4: Smoak (1B)
5: Montero (C)
6: Wells (CF)
7: Peguero (DH)
8: Liddi (3B)
9: Kawasaki (2B)
SP: King Felix

Comments

76 Responses to “Cactus League Game #25: Moyers at Felixes”

  1. msfanmike on April 2nd, 2012 12:05 pm

    It is entirely possible that my mind is lost somewhere within the space time continuum and further confounded by the International Dateline, but why is Felix pitching on a day that will only provide him with 3 off-days prior to his next start in Oakland?

  2. Jay Yencich on April 2nd, 2012 12:30 pm

    Because they switched Vargas and Felix and now Felix goes on Saturday.

  3. MrZDevotee on April 2nd, 2012 12:56 pm

    “why is Felix pitching on a day that will only provide him with 3 off-days prior to his next start in Oakland?”

    So as to distract us from realizing that Peguero is playing, of course. Nicely played, Mariners… Nicely played.

    (Oh, that the baseball gods might cause another team to drop a useful outfielder, with a decent eye at the plate, who can be had for cheap…)

  4. seattlesonsofbaseball on April 2nd, 2012 1:16 pm

    Felix isn’t starting the first game in Oakland, he’s going on the second so as to be the pitcher for the home opener.

  5. TherzAlwaysHope on April 2nd, 2012 1:19 pm

    Shannon Dreyer discusses The King’s drop in velocity. http://mynorthwest.com/?nid=373

  6. svonhershman on April 2nd, 2012 1:21 pm

    free game of the day on MLB.tv for those not in the Seattle area.

  7. seattlesonsofbaseball on April 2nd, 2012 1:25 pm

    Another productive at bat for Figgins. He’s working his way back into the hearts of Mariners fans… *cough Bull%^&* cough*

  8. eternal on April 2nd, 2012 1:27 pm

    Pitch f/x thinks he’s throwing change-ups, topping out at 90 mph. Is that accurate?

  9. MrZDevotee on April 2nd, 2012 1:28 pm

    Yeah, didn’t think Figgins could fall any lower, but if he can’t BUNT anymore… Well, then… Uh.

    And Hope, as long as King’s ball is moving as much as it does, velocity doesn’t really concern me so much. (Jamie Moyer on the mound today, with his Senior Discount and high school fastball, is a good exclamation point on that.)

  10. marc w on April 2nd, 2012 1:28 pm

    Felix’s velocity today is still low enough to merit some concern, but I hold out hope he’s been working on things. In his last pre-Tokyo spring training game, it appeared he was working in a cutter. Not sure if it’s true or if they were just a new wrinkle on his slider. At any rate, Felix is still getting some swinging strikes, but his fastball’s around 90 or so.

  11. Paul B on April 2nd, 2012 1:31 pm

    Looks like he’s topped out at 90, and looks like the system doesn’t know what to make of it — it has credited him with changeups from 85 to 90 mph.

  12. TherzAlwaysHope on April 2nd, 2012 1:32 pm

    Once again, SD confirms his “chageup” is indeed his fastball. This is confirmed by Carl Willis.

  13. MrZDevotee on April 2nd, 2012 1:32 pm

    Plus- hey- strange as it may sound, how awesome is it that with Paxton, Hultzen, Walker and Ramirez, it wouldn’t be the end of the world if Felix missed significant time over the next couple years…

    God knows I’d hate not seeing him pitch, and it obviously would put us at less than our best, but we have pretty remarkable depth coming up in starting pitching when the thought of an injured Felix doesn’t terrify me.

  14. MrZDevotee on April 2nd, 2012 1:34 pm

    Ouch- I bet that ball is in pain right now.

  15. marc w on April 2nd, 2012 1:37 pm

    Hmm. Felix’s fastballs are clearly in the 89-90 range, which isn’t where I’d like it. He’s using a slider and a change as well as something that could be his cutter; that’s the one he K’d Nelson on, and that Gameday’s calling a change. I think it’s the pitch that Rosario doubled on, but it’s tough to say.

  16. Paul B on April 2nd, 2012 1:37 pm

    I was wondering how slow Jamie was going to throw. His fastball is about 79, which is about the same speed as his other pitches.

  17. just a fan on April 2nd, 2012 1:37 pm

    I’m just gonna blame it all on his weight loss. My gut told me that wasn’t the greatest thing — especially since he said he did it to look better.

  18. MrZDevotee on April 2nd, 2012 1:38 pm

    Peguero with genius baserunning. Even if that’s NOT caught in the air, he’s a dead duck at 3B. A little alarming to see TWO GUYS in the same week break for 3rd on a ball hit in front of them in the infield.

    (shakes head)

  19. Paul B on April 2nd, 2012 1:39 pm

    Moyer threw a couple at 72 that inning, so he still has 7 mph difference between his fastball and changeup.

  20. Hammy57 on April 2nd, 2012 1:39 pm

    Same thing is going on in NY with Sabathia. Lost weight in offseason and his velocity has dropped. Kinda odd if you think about it.

  21. just a fan on April 2nd, 2012 1:39 pm

    At least Peguero’s baserunning is better than his defense.

  22. MrZDevotee on April 2nd, 2012 1:40 pm

    Mark-
    Yeah I was pretty sure that was a cutter Rosario hit hard, it was diving pretty hard. But it would still be nice to see even that pitch up 4-5 mph.

  23. MrZDevotee on April 2nd, 2012 1:41 pm

    “At least Peguero’s baserunning is better than his defense.”

    As in, he has a general idea where third base is going to be, so can take a decent line on it? *laugh*

  24. marc w on April 2nd, 2012 1:45 pm

    Well the lack of his usual velocity certainly isn’t hurting Felix’s results.

  25. just a fan on April 2nd, 2012 1:47 pm

    It can’t be an injury because he’s still so damned awesome. I hope it’s just the weight though because in the long-term, at some point the velocity will matter.

  26. Paul B on April 2nd, 2012 1:47 pm

    i wonder if Moyer has every tried to throw a knuckleball. Maybe he could pitch until he’s 65.

  27. MrZDevotee on April 2nd, 2012 1:48 pm

    Kawasaki is nearly a Suzuki doppelganger up there at the plate… It’s eerie.

  28. Hammy57 on April 2nd, 2012 1:49 pm

    Figgins is GARBAGE. He can’t even do fundamentals!

  29. just a fan on April 2nd, 2012 1:49 pm

    The Ichistalker

  30. MrZDevotee on April 2nd, 2012 1:49 pm

    Paul-
    That’s funny, I was just thinking, you know Felix should keep being a power pitcher till he’s about 35, then learn a knuckleball– his control and movement are really his strengths already. It’d be natural. He could pitch till he was 50.

  31. seattlesonsofbaseball on April 2nd, 2012 1:50 pm

    Figgins for President, 2012!!!!!!——-President of Guam so he can get out of Seattle!

  32. Paul B on April 2nd, 2012 1:50 pm

    Oh, man Figgins is so much worse than replacement level.

  33. Hammy57 on April 2nd, 2012 1:50 pm

    That could have been the worst at bat I have ever seen. YOU SUCK FIGGINS

  34. Jack Howland on April 2nd, 2012 1:51 pm

    A couple of quality at bats by Figgins today.

  35. just a fan on April 2nd, 2012 1:51 pm

    They missed their chance to forget him in Japan.

  36. MrZDevotee on April 2nd, 2012 1:51 pm

    Kawasaki has ALWAYS tried to mimic what Suzuki was doing… Or was it the other way around? Motorcycle history fails me…

  37. Paul B on April 2nd, 2012 1:54 pm

    Jamie cranked it up to 80 against Ichiro. But Ichiro got the RBI anyway.

  38. MrZDevotee on April 2nd, 2012 1:54 pm

    The Japanese connection… Makes me think of a couple years ago when we used to all say “too bad Ichiro can’t be on base while Ichiro is also hitting… only way he’ll score is if he knocks HIMSELF in.”

  39. MrZDevotee on April 2nd, 2012 1:56 pm

    Mark/Jay-
    When do the M’s have to be down to 25 from 28? Or are they already? (curious)

  40. seattlesonsofbaseball on April 2nd, 2012 2:02 pm

    Who is getting left off the team when the regular season commences? Seager is batting .357, with 15 hits, 3 doubles, 4 homeruns, and 7 RBI’s….. and he’s got to play second fiddle to Figgins, who’s batting a robust .176, with 6 hits, 1 RBI, and 7 walks……… and he’s smiling all the way to the bank!

  41. MrZDevotee on April 2nd, 2012 2:03 pm

    (just heard– Sims said it’s Wednesday we have to be down to 25)

  42. MrZDevotee on April 2nd, 2012 2:07 pm

    SonsofBBall

    I would HOPE Figgins has to be on thin ice right now. At this point, giving him playing time is HURTING his “value”. And the team is in the position to say “we gave you every opportunity”.

    He’s the worst performing player on the 25 man roster. No excuses left. Unless Wedge/Z OVERVALUE walks, he has don’t nothing to earn a spot.

  43. marc w on April 2nd, 2012 2:08 pm

    They don’t need to get down to 28 until after these three games against Colorado – so we won’t know for a couple of days.

    Wednesday’s Tacoma’s home opener, which is why they need to have it done – the three guys who won’t be in Seattle will most likely be in Tacoma.

  44. msfanmike on April 2nd, 2012 2:08 pm

    It’s odd that Figgins would not not be able to hit Moyer. A player needs his “high-school-swing” in order to hit him best, so I figured it was a natural fit for the bat speed impaired.

    What’s even stranger is that I actually said “it’s odd that Figgins would not be able to hit” …

    The best way to get value from Figgins would be to use his roster spot for a minimum wage player that could generate 1+ WAR, but I have mentally prepared myself (mostly) to be watching him lead off for the next 2 months. He’s not one of the teams best 3 hitters. He shouldn’t be hitting in one of the top 3 spots.

    Period.

    Thanks for the intel in regard to the rotation change for the next two regular season games. I had not heard about it.

  45. marc w on April 2nd, 2012 2:10 pm

    I’d think Seager’s pretty safe; he’ll be on the roster. Liddi’s gone, maybe Delabar, maybe Furbush.

    Felix’s velo is down, but wow… 4 IP, 0R, 0BB, 6K and 6 groundouts. No air outs.

  46. marc w on April 2nd, 2012 2:13 pm

    Whoops, the Rainiers home opener is Thursday, not Wednesday. They’d still have to get the roster set by Wednesday, you’d think, to allow the three who aren’t on the 25 man to get to Tacoma to play, though.

  47. seattlesonsofbaseball on April 2nd, 2012 2:19 pm

    Mune Mune… Oh Oh… please don’t go…

  48. Keo on April 2nd, 2012 2:20 pm

    Mune has looked awesome this spring! Hope we can see lots of him this year.

  49. seattlesonsofbaseball on April 2nd, 2012 2:21 pm

    Figgy… I hope he realizes that that was what a good at bat looks like and doesn’t forget it.

  50. marc w on April 2nd, 2012 2:23 pm

    Figgins had a nice hit, but is thrown out at 3rd on a single by Ryan. Perfect.

  51. seattlesonsofbaseball on April 2nd, 2012 2:23 pm

    ………………..and figgins doesn’t disappoint. Got the RBI, kept the rally going… and then kills the rally trying to go from 1st to 3rd on a hard shot hit to LF. I knew it was too good to be true.

  52. MrZDevotee on April 2nd, 2012 2:23 pm

    SeattleSons… It was such a good at bat it made him forget how to run the bases… Distracted by his own success.

  53. svonhershman on April 2nd, 2012 2:24 pm

    Would’ve loved to see Ichiro’s at-bat with runners at first and second. Nevermind though, nice job Figgins you butthead.

  54. msfanmike on April 2nd, 2012 2:27 pm

    “It was such a good at bat it made him forget how to run the bases… Distracted by his own success”

    More than likely, he was “stunned” (instead of surprised) by it.

  55. seattlesonsofbaseball on April 2nd, 2012 2:28 pm

    Devotee… I think you’re right. He probably didn’t get many high fives in the dugout. Guys probably gave him the cold shoulder. I wouldn’t have. I’d knock his arse out!

  56. JoshJones on April 2nd, 2012 2:31 pm

    Kawasaki looks like Ichiro hitting up there. Very confident, locked in, and in control. When he first broke into the pro’s he played some third base. I wonder if he might replace chone or take over a utlility role if we trade or release him. I sure wouldn’t mind seeing him get 400 AB’s. .280 with 25stl bases seems pretty realistic.

  57. msfanmike on April 2nd, 2012 2:31 pm

    Always a good idea to run into the last out at 3B when the teams best hitter is due up next. If nothing else, Figgins sure is a heady player … even if it is only spring training.

  58. marc w on April 2nd, 2012 2:44 pm

    Man, Moyer does not seem to like Carlos Peguero.

  59. MrZDevotee on April 2nd, 2012 2:49 pm

    So weird being 45 years old, watching Jamie Moyer play professional baseball. Successfully.

    *&@^!

  60. MrZDevotee on April 2nd, 2012 2:50 pm

    Marc-
    I was thinking the SAME thing… Y’know, ’cause the guy has always had control issues, right? And he hit him twice?

    Must fall into the “I have to fight for a job after all these years, and THIS kid is a pro ball player… Nah, not happening…”

    Plunk.

    PLUNK!

  61. MrZDevotee on April 2nd, 2012 2:56 pm

    “I see a mad mun a diving… I see, a put out on the way…”

  62. JoshJones on April 2nd, 2012 2:57 pm

    maybe he was afraid of the “unknown” in Peguerro (HR or K)and figured he would just play it safe and plunk him.

  63. just a fan on April 2nd, 2012 3:00 pm

    I hope they keep Figgins around for the home opener just so he can get his proper booing before he’s cut.

  64. MrZDevotee on April 2nd, 2012 3:08 pm

    Mariners should try to help offset Figgins’ salary by offering a “Dunk Chone Figgins” tank before home games– get a look-a-like 12 year old to sit in for him and charge fans $100 a shot to put him in the drink.

    Although, Just a Fan, if they cut him maybe we can have him back one night to throw out the first pitch, and get his proper boo’ing that way?

  65. MrZDevotee on April 2nd, 2012 3:10 pm

    Smoak bomb?

  66. MrZDevotee on April 2nd, 2012 3:16 pm

    Oh man- that bounced BACK towards the field… That could be worse than it looked. Right in the temple. Concussion possibilities right there.

  67. Nate on April 2nd, 2012 3:18 pm

    are you saying Montero got hit in the HEAD??

  68. Nate on April 2nd, 2012 3:19 pm

    gameday just says HBP, pinch runner, which I’m not suprised to see even if the HBP wasn’t bad.

  69. Paul B on April 2nd, 2012 3:25 pm

    Why can we never have anything nice?

  70. seattlesonsofbaseball on April 2nd, 2012 3:25 pm

    Got hit in the head, yeah. But I doubt it was a concussion. He was shook up a bit, but more off he was ready to go take the head off of the pitcher. Hope he’s alright.

  71. MrZDevotee on April 2nd, 2012 3:26 pm

    Nate-
    Yeah, right in the helmet… Looked like a slider that didn’t “slide”. Not intentional, but dangerous non the less.

  72. seattlesonsofbaseball on April 2nd, 2012 3:27 pm

    Devotee, that’s just wrong! A dunk tank like that is just not cool…… it should be Figgins in the tank, not a 12 year old! :) I’d pay for that in a heart beat.

  73. Westside guy on April 2nd, 2012 4:13 pm

    I was thinking the SAME thing… Y’know, ’cause the guy has always had control issues, right? And he hit him twice?

    You’ve got it wrong, MrZ. Moyer’s pitches started out towards the middle of the plate – but they’re moving so slow, and Peggy’s gravitational well is so large…

  74. Paul B on April 2nd, 2012 4:23 pm

    Now I’m getting an image of the ball orbiting around Peguero while he flails at it and the catcher and ump just stand there stunned.

  75. MrZDevotee on April 2nd, 2012 5:24 pm

    Sorry, missed the end, but had to come back to laugh my ass off at the image of Carlos Peguero as the new 9th planet. Dwarfing Jupiter. Does it count as a strike if the ball burns up as it enters his atmosphere?

    Worse yet, now everytime he walks, I’m gonna hear in my head: “That’s one small step for bad defense, one giant leap for poor plate discipline…” (Luckily it’ll only happen about as often as we’ve been to the moon.)

  76. Jay Yencich on April 2nd, 2012 10:52 pm

    There Goes a Special Boy: Philippe Valiquette released (scroll down)

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