Game 10, Athletics at Mariners

Jay Yencich · April 14, 2012 at 3:44 pm · Filed Under Game Threads 

I’m not sure if Dave or anyone else is going to want to chime in. Last night was a disappointment, in a word, but certain things broke against us and it’s still pretty early. A team like this is going to have days of exciting baseball and days of mediocre baseball. It’s part of the process. Trusting the process eventually might work in Kansas City and elsewhere.

Noesi vs. Milone, 6:10 pm PDT

Today, the M’s are going up against someone they’ve never seen before. Jokes about being utterly dominated as the natural consequence of that. Milone was acquired from the Nationals in the Gio Gonzalez deal. He’s your basic left-handed change-up artist with average or slightly worse velocity and good command of his offerings. He’s unexciting, but he’s also in the major leagues, and his first name is Tomaso, not Thomas. Tomaso Milone sounds like a more exciting pitcher, or maybe the leader of some Cuban-inspired swing band. Last time out, he walked three, allowed three hits, and struck out no one in eight innings. That 100% strand rate has got to break sometime. Why not against the Mariners?

As a result of the match-up, we’re going heavy on right-handers tonight.

CF Figgins
2B Ackley
RF Ichiro!
1B Smoak
C Montero
3B Liddi
DH Olivo
LF Wells
SS Ryan

P Noesi

Comments

161 Responses to “Game 10, Athletics at Mariners”

  1. Rick L on April 14th, 2012 3:52 pm

    I’d be interested in Wedge’s reasoning about having Olivo DH and Seager on the bench.

  2. terryoftacoma on April 14th, 2012 3:57 pm

    He’d probably say because LHP was starting. Not a good answer but that would probably be the one he’d give.

  3. Jay Yencich on April 14th, 2012 3:57 pm

    It doubles as a reason for not seeing Jaso!

  4. Mariners2620 on April 14th, 2012 4:00 pm

    Wow, this sucks. I am fed up with seeing Olivo flail at each and every terrible pitch hurled at him.

  5. terryoftacoma on April 14th, 2012 4:03 pm

    Only ten games in but it seems like Wedge thinks of Jaso as an emergency catcher and a left handed bench bat. He hasn’t caught an inning yet. And Wedge almost never pitch hits for anyone.

  6. Jay Yencich on April 14th, 2012 4:05 pm

    I do sometimes wonder if Jaso will see time at first before he sees time behind the plate. Given that Montero is catching tonight, Olivo would not be ruled out as the catcher in the day game tomorrow. Oh, the things we have to look forward to.

  7. terryoftacoma on April 14th, 2012 4:07 pm

    Jay that’s very likely why Olivo’s not catching tonight. So he can tomorrow.

  8. Steve Nelson on April 14th, 2012 4:21 pm

    Wedge is holding Olivo accountable for that passed ball last night by yanking him from behind the plate and putting him at DH instead. Oh, the indignity of it all!!!

  9. IwearMsHats on April 14th, 2012 4:23 pm

    Wedge is obviously trying to get fired so that he may be freeeeeeee

  10. Jay Yencich on April 14th, 2012 4:27 pm

    I could talk about accountability, but other people can do that for me and even if no one does, it’s not like it’s a big deal or anything.

  11. marc w on April 14th, 2012 4:33 pm

    Unbelievable. There’s just not much more you can say regarding tonight’s “DH.”

    His unwillingness to pinch-hit has actually given him actual evidence that Kyle Seager can hit a left-hander. He has more than enough evidence to see that Olivo isn’t a good hitter. Gaaaaahhhhhh.

  12. Westside guy on April 14th, 2012 4:39 pm

    Well, in all fairness to Miguel Olivo – it’s not like his past numbers would lead us to believe he’ll only be a .143 hitter going forward. Why, just last year he hit .224 – AND with a .253 on-base percentage! Plus he led the team in home runs!

    No, wait, quit walking away – Olivo is an exciting, inspiring catcher! He can throw people out… when he holds onto the pitch, anyway! No, come back – he’s a gritty veteran! Love him! LOVE HIM!

  13. terryoftacoma on April 14th, 2012 4:45 pm

    I choose to ignore the fact Olivo’s in the linup until the rest of the team starts scoring runs. He’s the least of our problems until then. Once that happens then I’ll join the bandwagon calling for him to just leave.

  14. stevemotivateir on April 14th, 2012 4:56 pm

    Totally agree with what you said, Terry, about Wedge’s view on Jaso. I don’t get it. It’s as if Jaso challenged him or questioned his judgement and is being punished as a result.

    Can’t help but wonder what this team would be like if they had hired Valentine.

  15. Breadbaker on April 14th, 2012 5:00 pm

    According to the M’s roster, Noesi bats righthanded. I think I’d rather have him bat than Olivo.

  16. terryoftacoma on April 14th, 2012 5:12 pm

    Wedge came up has a catcher.

  17. FelixFanChris420 on April 14th, 2012 5:15 pm

    So, “watching a ball game” for “accountability reasons” applies to everyone not named Olivo, apparently…what the f ever…I’m about over Eric Wedge…

  18. FelixFanChris420 on April 14th, 2012 5:19 pm

    Has a team ever optioned its MLB manager to its AAA affiliate and brought up the AAA manager? Lol

  19. stevemotivateir on April 14th, 2012 5:42 pm

    ^Well, the Mariners let Wakamatsu go, and replaced him with Brown two and a half years ago.

  20. Glen on April 14th, 2012 5:43 pm

    I’m done with Wedge and have started a #FireWedge campaign on Twitter.

  21. stevemotivateir on April 14th, 2012 5:44 pm

    Just saw a real interesting shot…. Mariners batting practice, with Kawasaki taking balls in left.

  22. Snake Hippo on April 14th, 2012 5:52 pm

    Olivo has a .334 wOBA against lefties, compared to .284 against righties. I really wouldn’t complain too much.

  23. smb on April 14th, 2012 5:57 pm

    They’ll never fire Wedge…he’s everything they love + he’s too spineless to ever question his bosses on anything. My guess anyway. Jaso is without a doubt our best catcher, and it looks like he may catch ten games this season, if he’s lucky. As of right now he might even be our best hitting catcher (until Montero shows me something I’m sticking with that…)

    RE: last night…we’re now in our third decade of not being able to hit Bartolo Colon, you realize? Is it reasonable to expect an M’s lineup to reverse that kind of history of ineptitude? I say no.

  24. MrZDevotee on April 14th, 2012 5:59 pm

    I believe Wedge fills out his roster by the “pendulum method”. This rare method believes if a guy is super hot (Seager/Jaso) then you should bench him, because he’ll come back down to earth, without fail, the next day.

    And inversely, if a guy is flailing miserably at pitches and unable to even catch the ball, when his position is called “catcher”, well definitely insert that guy back in the lineup, because things have just got to turn for him. They just have to!

    Personally, I’m not a fan of the pendulum method. But I’m just some slob off the street, so I can’t pretend to know any better.

    (sigh)

  25. MrZDevotee on April 14th, 2012 6:00 pm

    smb-
    On the bright side, I doubt Colon will make it to decade four– so we’ll just have to wait him out!

  26. terryoftacoma on April 14th, 2012 6:03 pm

    Haha Z. Is your Comcast working today?

    Oh, and Wedge isn’t going anywhere soon. You don’t usually fire managers on rebuilding teams.

  27. Westside guy on April 14th, 2012 6:03 pm

    ^^^ I don’t know, MrZ. Colon gets to face the Mariners a LOT now, and that may encourage him to pitch another decade…

  28. Westside guy on April 14th, 2012 6:03 pm

    I’m glad we get to see Montero catch again, though.

  29. djw on April 14th, 2012 6:11 pm

    Well, DH against LHP is probably the least appalling way to use Olivo, if you must do it at all….

  30. MrZDevotee on April 14th, 2012 6:12 pm

    Yeah, I get to watch baseball again… Yay. Something in our cable box died, so we weren’t getting anything above channel 29 (naturally– SO close!).

    I 2nd Westy in loving watching Montero catch again.

  31. terryoftacoma on April 14th, 2012 6:14 pm

    Montero will probably be our starting catcher next year. Yeah!!

  32. Westside guy on April 14th, 2012 6:16 pm

    Something in our cable box died, so we weren’t getting anything above channel 29 (naturally– SO close!).

    Haha MrZ – it’s almost as if Comcast was intentionally taunting you.

  33. stevemotivateir on April 14th, 2012 6:18 pm

    Z-

    Just so we’re clear, the pendulum method, basically means that if it’s broke, don’t fix, use it more, and if it ain’t broke, assume it will, so do don’t use it. I wonder if he applies that to everything in life?

  34. NV M's fan on April 14th, 2012 6:19 pm

    In basketball we pull a player out after one or two mistakes. In the sometimes-weird culture of baseball they hold a player “accountable” by letting them play numerous more innings after a bad throw or another passed ball, then sitting them the next day. Eric Wedge, that makes almost as much sense as sending weak hitters to the plate in close late inning situations.

  35. Westside guy on April 14th, 2012 6:20 pm

    BTW has anyone else been noticing how much Figgins has (unsurprisingly) cooled down?

  36. stevemotivateir on April 14th, 2012 6:22 pm

    ^Perfect example of that, watching Milton Bradley tank plays in left, with Fister pitching brilliant last year. Didn’t pull him right away. If it were me, he would have been DFA’d that inning.

  37. Westside guy on April 14th, 2012 6:26 pm

    Casper Wells is probably really tired after that catch – he hasn’t had a lot of opportunities to run that far. :-D

  38. nvn8vbryce on April 14th, 2012 6:28 pm

    I’m tired of having to watch the A’s feed… About as tired as I am watching pitchers throw fastballs to Cespedes

  39. Des71 on April 14th, 2012 6:30 pm

    Root Sports showed Sounders highlights instead of the first out of the top of the 2nd inning. I sent them a tweet voicing my displeasure. Ridiculous.

  40. stevemotivateir on April 14th, 2012 6:31 pm

    I wonder if it will be Wells, or Liddi, sent down when Carp returns? I admit, I’ve warmed-up to Liddi, and like the idea of having his bat available, but kinda like the idea of him returning to Tacoma and learning how to be a first-baseman more. He was horrible at 1st this spring.

  41. stevemotivateir on April 14th, 2012 6:31 pm

    Jesus saves!

  42. terryoftacoma on April 14th, 2012 6:32 pm

    MONTERO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  43. stevemotivateir on April 14th, 2012 6:32 pm

    And deep center! Wow!!

  44. MrZDevotee on April 14th, 2012 6:32 pm

    Goodbye Baseball!!! Thank you, baby Jesus!

  45. nvn8vbryce on April 14th, 2012 6:32 pm

    Montero!!! Adios pelota!!!!

  46. Slats on April 14th, 2012 6:32 pm

    Jesus has arrived!

  47. Westside guy on April 14th, 2012 6:33 pm

    JESUS IS LOOSE!!

  48. MrZDevotee on April 14th, 2012 6:35 pm

    Steve-
    yeah, Liddi looked awful playing 1st… Y’know, the position you send people to if they can’t play anything else. But he couldn’t find the bag with his foot, crossed himself up numerous times making catches… Probably just nerves, but he did NOT look comfortable out there. (I DO like the way he swings though– so I’d probably vote “more time in Tacoma” so he can get lots of at bats AND innings in the field)

  49. zzyzx on April 14th, 2012 6:35 pm

    And to think I thought about not watching after yesterday. Wow, Montero killed that.

  50. MrZDevotee on April 14th, 2012 6:36 pm

    Montero was brought here to be our savior, right? (Keeping the theme alive)

  51. Westside guy on April 14th, 2012 6:36 pm

    Ugh. Liddi and Olivo both swung at balls they should’ve let go by, and both weakly grounded out. What a surprise.

  52. MrZDevotee on April 14th, 2012 6:39 pm

    Nice play by Ryan… FINALLY being accountable. Maybe a little TOO nice.. He’ll obviously be benched tomorrow, now.

  53. stevemotivateir on April 14th, 2012 6:40 pm

    I’ll give Liddi a pass, being his first at-bat in the game, and having limited AB’s in general. But I don’t wanna see that again.

  54. stevemotivateir on April 14th, 2012 6:40 pm

    I like Sims calling that last fly-out “trouble”.

  55. stevemotivateir on April 14th, 2012 6:41 pm

    Why isn’t Montero throwing from his knees?

  56. Westside guy on April 14th, 2012 6:41 pm

    I must say I’m glad Figgins is at least competent out in the field.

  57. MrZDevotee on April 14th, 2012 6:41 pm

    re: Liddi
    My fault for speaking too highly of him.

  58. Westside guy on April 14th, 2012 6:42 pm

    Montero can make up for that throw by blocking several pitches Olivo would’ve fumbled (and let runners advance on him).

  59. stevemotivateir on April 14th, 2012 6:43 pm

    Honestly, I think Figgins is a better fielder than Carp.

  60. Westside guy on April 14th, 2012 6:44 pm

    I agree with you Steve. But then I don’t think much of Carp as an outfielder.

  61. stevemotivateir on April 14th, 2012 6:44 pm

    I wonder if it would be easier to teach Montero to throw at the runners? If he can’t get close to the bag, maybe plunking the runners will discourage them from tryna steal?

  62. stevemotivateir on April 14th, 2012 6:46 pm

    Yeah, that’s exactly why I said that Westy! I’m not signing any petitions to make Figgins the permanent left fielder, but at least he’s showing some competence.

  63. Westside guy on April 14th, 2012 6:50 pm

    Does Safeco really believe that annoying lady with the New York accent is going to sell more of their insurance to people? It just makes me stab at the “mute” button…

  64. Westside guy on April 14th, 2012 6:55 pm

    How were those first two pitches balls?

  65. Westside guy on April 14th, 2012 6:57 pm

    DP!

  66. stevemotivateir on April 14th, 2012 7:00 pm

    So, with Kawasaki taking fly balls in left during batting practice, Carp and Guti on their way back…. could a trade be in the works? Why else would they do that? Figgins has played reasonably well in the outfield and they still have Wells. Something has to give.

  67. Westside guy on April 14th, 2012 7:00 pm

    Montero should ask Suzuki for pointers – NOT Olivo.

  68. zzyzx on April 14th, 2012 7:01 pm

    Is it me, or does it look like the league has already figured out Cespedes and he’ll have to adjust? I’d laugh if he was just a waste of money.

  69. stevemotivateir on April 14th, 2012 7:03 pm

    What a load!!!!

  70. terryoftacoma on April 14th, 2012 7:04 pm

    The umps hate us.

  71. Westside guy on April 14th, 2012 7:04 pm

    Man, now the umps are taking away hits from us – physically!!

    We don’t need any assistance in that department!

  72. Westside guy on April 14th, 2012 7:05 pm

    OWOWOW…

  73. terryoftacoma on April 14th, 2012 7:06 pm

    Montero don’t learn that one from Suzuki.

  74. Westside guy on April 14th, 2012 7:07 pm

    ^hehehe

  75. nvn8vbryce on April 14th, 2012 7:08 pm

    Suzuki’s a baller…

  76. nickman66 on April 14th, 2012 7:09 pm

    Man, Suzuki is nuts.

  77. MrZDevotee on April 14th, 2012 7:14 pm

    So how long does Olivo get to bat below .150 before gritty and veteran-y doesn’t compensate enough, and Jaso or Montero get to take over the everyday duties?

    (Although naturally I’m setting him up for a big hit right here…)

  78. stevemotivateir on April 14th, 2012 7:18 pm

    Well Z, how long did they keep Cust around last year? Kidding. I’m guessing Moore will get 100 ab’s or so in Tacoma, and if he’s hitting well (and healthy), Olivo will be moved. But that would kind of make too much sense, so maybe Jaso gets sent down or DFA’d?

  79. msfanmike on April 14th, 2012 7:18 pm

    Hey, this just in … olivo struck out!

  80. stevemotivateir on April 14th, 2012 7:20 pm

    ^Could have called that blind-folded!

  81. terryoftacoma on April 14th, 2012 7:21 pm

    I hate to say it but I think Moore will spend most of the year at Tacoma. Just a guess on my part.

  82. stevemotivateir on April 14th, 2012 7:22 pm

    That wouldn’t surprise me either.

  83. stevemotivateir on April 14th, 2012 7:35 pm

    Nice!

  84. Slats on April 14th, 2012 7:35 pm

    Figlet!

  85. leon0112 on April 14th, 2012 7:37 pm

    C’mon ackley.

  86. leon0112 on April 14th, 2012 7:39 pm

    Ichiro earn your money.

  87. Westside guy on April 14th, 2012 7:41 pm

    Home run Smoak.

  88. MrZDevotee on April 14th, 2012 7:41 pm

    (sigh) Ichiro!?

  89. MrZDevotee on April 14th, 2012 7:41 pm

    How ’bout a Smoaked Salami Sandwich?

  90. Westside guy on April 14th, 2012 7:44 pm

    I’ll take a walk.

  91. Slats on April 14th, 2012 7:44 pm

    Well done Smoak.

  92. terryoftacoma on April 14th, 2012 7:44 pm

    And there Seattle is your Mariners offence at it’s very best. Bases load 1 out and we get a run on a walk.

  93. MrZDevotee on April 14th, 2012 7:44 pm

    Close enough…

  94. stevemotivateir on April 14th, 2012 7:45 pm

    I’ll take that, but damn, that was a “Cust” thing to do! That pitch was close enough, that he probably should have took a good swing at it.

  95. msfanmike on April 14th, 2012 7:46 pm

    Nice AB by Smoak. Thank God, a walk. See that patience, Wedge?

  96. Westside guy on April 14th, 2012 7:47 pm

    MONTERO!!

  97. stevemotivateir on April 14th, 2012 7:47 pm

    Beautiful!

  98. Slats on April 14th, 2012 7:47 pm

    Jesus again!

  99. Westside guy on April 14th, 2012 7:47 pm

    Why did they wave Smoak in?

  100. leon0112 on April 14th, 2012 7:47 pm

    Montero!

  101. stevemotivateir on April 14th, 2012 7:47 pm

    Not sure why they sent Smoak home though

  102. MrZDevotee on April 14th, 2012 7:47 pm

    Nice work, Jesus.

  103. Westside guy on April 14th, 2012 7:48 pm

    A run that walks in counts as much as a run driven in.

  104. nvn8vbryce on April 14th, 2012 7:48 pm

    Hallelujah, Montero! I’m a little Smoaked about Smoak getting waved in, however.

  105. terryoftacoma on April 14th, 2012 7:48 pm

    Can’t be greedy guys.. Why did they send Smoak? grr

  106. msfanmike on April 14th, 2012 7:49 pm

    Made no sense to send Smoak. Why hand the A’s an out? The euphoria of being able to wave runners home must have gotten to poor old Datz. But hey – runs … Yay!.

  107. MrZDevotee on April 14th, 2012 7:49 pm

    Jesus should use the chorus refrain from Jeff Buckley’s “Hallelujah” as his at-bat music… I’d love that.

  108. NV M's fan on April 14th, 2012 7:50 pm

    Thank u, Jesus… But trying to score SMOAK from first??! Now THAT’S aggressive (super dumbass) Wedge-Ball.

  109. msfanmike on April 14th, 2012 7:50 pm

    Noesi looks like a different pitcher today and for that I am thankful.

  110. terryoftacoma on April 14th, 2012 7:51 pm

    @Westside

    You are correct sir. I’ll take a run on a walk.

  111. MrZDevotee on April 14th, 2012 7:51 pm

    Noesi has done a great job, tonight… Mixing it up, keeping it down. Nice job, Hector.

  112. nvn8vbryce on April 14th, 2012 7:51 pm

    CG for Noesi?

  113. leon0112 on April 14th, 2012 7:57 pm

    Isn’t it early in the season to let Noesi have a high pitch count?

  114. MrZDevotee on April 14th, 2012 7:58 pm

    (nodding happily– nice!)

  115. Westside guy on April 14th, 2012 8:06 pm

    Huzzah for Wells!

  116. MrZDevotee on April 14th, 2012 8:07 pm

    I like when it benefits us, sure, but I’ll never understand why pitchers throw fastballs to guys who can’t hit anything but fastballs? (Wells, Cespedes, Peguero, etc.)

  117. Paul B on April 14th, 2012 8:15 pm

    The Mariners actually drew two walks so far tonight, that is really good for them.

  118. stevemotivateir on April 14th, 2012 8:18 pm

    Z-

    I’m with ya on the Buckley intro!

  119. leon0112 on April 14th, 2012 8:18 pm

    Smoak gets a RBI with a walk. Just like Cust.

  120. stevemotivateir on April 14th, 2012 8:19 pm

    I still think Weeks is hitting the ball harder than his body is truly capable of on a regular basis. I’m waiting for some strained-muscles.

  121. terryoftacoma on April 14th, 2012 8:22 pm

    Nice job Mr Noesi!

  122. MrZDevotee on April 14th, 2012 8:25 pm

    2 more quality starts than Pineda at this point (which makes me sad for Pineda, but happy for us)…

  123. Ichirolling51 on April 14th, 2012 8:25 pm

    I noticed that Montero has a higher AVG. than OBP, how is that possible?

  124. stevemotivateir on April 14th, 2012 8:26 pm

    Ackley needed that!

  125. MrZDevotee on April 14th, 2012 8:27 pm

    Ichirolling, sacrifices don’t count against average, but count against on-base %, and or trying to stretch a single into something more and being thrown out.

  126. MrZDevotee on April 14th, 2012 8:28 pm

    In a sense, Michael Pineda has thrown a shut out so far, and driven in 3 runs for us tonight. Thanks Mike!

  127. Swungonandbelted on April 14th, 2012 8:30 pm

    Ouch… the wife wants a Smoak jersey. Only question is, do I get it for Seattle or Tacoma?

  128. MrZDevotee on April 14th, 2012 8:31 pm

    Swungonandbelted-

    That’s low. Get her a Montero jersey, and be done with it! *laugh*

  129. msfanmike on April 14th, 2012 8:32 pm

    Dammit, Z – you scooped me. I was going to ask if Pineda should get credit for the win … Assuming league holds it. Frack!

  130. MrZDevotee on April 14th, 2012 8:34 pm

    Is it just me or does League walk, or almost walk, EVERY FRICKIN’ FIRST BATTER HE FACES!!!! (ahem, sorry…)

  131. nvn8vbryce on April 14th, 2012 8:35 pm

    I’m thinking League is a little rusty…

  132. Westside guy on April 14th, 2012 8:37 pm

    Yeah Montero’s not going to catch that.

  133. Paul B on April 14th, 2012 8:38 pm

    Been catching it so far.

  134. Paul B on April 14th, 2012 8:38 pm

    I think you might have Montero confused with Olivo.

  135. Westside guy on April 14th, 2012 8:39 pm

    Man, despite his throwing motion – I would strongly prefer seeing Montero behind the dish most of the time. He seems to do the fundamentals right – unlike that other guy.

  136. msfanmike on April 14th, 2012 8:39 pm

    You gotta love Wedgies sense of humor, don’t you … I mean, Miguel Olivo was DH’ing. Miguel Olivo! And the team won anyway!! That is freaking hilarious. When he is not working the lounges at Vegas, I wonder if the Wedgester might have time to manage a few baseball games. He didnt come to camp in shape and he hasn’t been accountable for diddly poo, so he should really consider benching himself.

  137. Westside guy on April 14th, 2012 8:40 pm

    I think you might have Montero confused with Olivo.

    I was reacting to one of League’s pitches that spiked about 10 feet in front of the plate. :-D

    And WOO!!

  138. Swungonandbelted on April 14th, 2012 8:41 pm

    More Montero less Olivo kthx…

  139. stevemotivateir on April 14th, 2012 8:41 pm

    Was that really Noesi we saw tonight? He looked like a completely different pitcher!

  140. just a fan on April 14th, 2012 8:42 pm

    Montero is 2-0 as a catcher! Hopefully that will convince Wedge.

  141. stevemotivateir on April 14th, 2012 8:43 pm

    ^And what if he keeps Olivo as the DH?!

  142. Sports on a Schtick on April 14th, 2012 8:45 pm

    Good win. Noesi looked good, the offense still looked bleak (outside of Montero and that one inning). If I were GM I would seriously consider releasing Olivo. It makes so much sense to clear that roster spot for someone who could help the team.

  143. just a fan on April 14th, 2012 8:46 pm

    Well he’ll probably platoon Olivo and Jaso at DH, given they are each 1-0.

  144. Westside guy on April 14th, 2012 8:51 pm

    Given Wedge’s outlook on things, I can’t imagine he’ll be able to keep ignoring Olivo’s lack of production. He’ll probably phrase it as “giving him a break from himself” or some other baseball catechism, but in the end it has to happen.

    Given Montero’s performance in his two games behind the dish, it’s not like Wedge can say there aren’t any other options. Montero certainly isn’t embarrassing himself on defense.

  145. stevemotivateir on April 14th, 2012 8:54 pm

    ^Well, that throw to second didn’t scream gold-glove! But yeah, he really doesn’t look worse than Olivo. I’m still hopeful to see Jaso though, with Montero as the back-up.

  146. Westside guy on April 14th, 2012 8:59 pm

    I totally agree, Steve. Montero is not a good thrower. But he seems to block pitches reasonably well; and seriously – has anyone ever compared how many times Olivo has thrown out runners versus how many time runners have advanced on him after he’s failed to corral yet another pitch?

    I do like the idea of Montero learning behind Jaso.

  147. spuuky on April 14th, 2012 9:22 pm

    I personally like the mere fact that there’s actually a guy I want to put at catcher in place of Olivo. It’s a nice change.

  148. justdan73 on April 14th, 2012 9:46 pm

    Good win M’s! As for this thread, not so much. 90% mindless conjecture and bitching like a bunch of old ladies complaining about their incontinence. No one wants to read about Olivio time and again anymore then they do about an old ladies issues in the bathroom. How about a novel idea, maybe actually converse about the game a little, as it is a game thread and all. This used to be a great blog, but not so much anymore. Go play Bingo of something. Maybe you can break down the statistics of how often O61 follows B11 and then blame the Bingo caller.

  149. WTF_Ms on April 14th, 2012 9:48 pm

    Wow…what a difference between today and yesterday. I hate to think that the catcher has THAT much influence, but maybe it does!

    I know that I’m in the majority when I say I’d like to see Montero behind the dish more than Olivo, but for once this season, I’d like to see Olivo on the bench, and Jaso behind the dish, and Montero DH’ing??

    Also, if that’d been Guti in center on the flyball that went over Figgy’s head, it would have been an out…pure math there! Taller equals catch.

  150. justdan73 on April 14th, 2012 9:53 pm

    I’d like to see Montero and Noesi be a regular battery. Watching the game, I could sense a “Comfort Zone” they had for each other out there this evening. It could be because Montero had a good game at the dish and Noesi was dealing, but it still looks like a promising tandem.

  151. Westside guy on April 14th, 2012 10:11 pm

    It’s possible/likely Montero has caught Noesi while they were both in the Yankee organization.

    In any case, I agree with you justdan73.

  152. groundzero55 on April 14th, 2012 10:12 pm

    Did they not play together at all in the Yankees system? methinks they have done this before.

  153. Breadbaker on April 14th, 2012 10:12 pm

    I’d love to hear some NYC talk radio right now, discussing how the Yankees did on the Pineda trade. There is absolutely nothing to be said at this point, but in New York, that wouldn’t stop anyone. Brian Cashman may need some extra security for the next week or so.

  154. Westside guy on April 14th, 2012 10:17 pm

    It being New York, Breadbaker – if they didn’t have Pineda’s current status to complain about, they’d find something else.

    I swear that team could go 162-0 and some Yankee fans would still find some perceived way they got screwed.

  155. vj on April 15th, 2012 5:06 am

    Folks: The Olivo-bashing is getting kind of old. He didn’t catch this game and I don’t see anyone on the current active roster who’d be projected to be a significantly better option at DH versus a LHP.

  156. Paul B on April 15th, 2012 7:32 am

    Um, anyone? Olivo is pretty much the worst hitter on the team, regardless of who is pitching.

    Heck, last year, Ryan was a better hitter than Olivo.

    Take the best fielder on the bench, put him in the field, put the guy he replaced as DH for the day. Done. Was that so hard?

  157. Ralph_Malph on April 15th, 2012 7:54 am

    I’m not lobbying for Olivo or anything, but for his career (as opposed to last year) he’s hit LHP significantly better.

    Vs LHP. 275/309/482
    Vs RHP 229/265/393

    he should ONLY be in the lineup against LHP.

  158. vj on April 15th, 2012 8:57 am

    To reiterate: The bench players in yesterday’s game were Jaso, Munenori, Seager and Saunders. They all bat left. I don’t think you can reliably predict any of them to be better than Olivo vs. a LHP. Maybe you can argue Seager at 3B and Liddi at DH to also upgrade defense. Anyway, I don’t care much for Olivo either and am all for critizising bad managing by Wedge. But putting Olivo at DH vs. a LHP over these four alternatives doesn’t strike me as a move deserving much critizism. On the other hand, starting Olivo at catcher over Jaso vs a RHP…

  159. Westside guy on April 15th, 2012 9:16 am

    vj you are probably right. But we’ve seen so much of him when it made no sense that it’s hard to be objective. :-)

  160. stevemotivateir on April 15th, 2012 9:20 am

    @ Ralph and vj

    His career numbers are misleading. He still has a horrible contact rate, he’s off to a horrible start, and a better hitter (as vj noted), Seager, was available. If a lefty bat can hit lefty pitching, a right handed bat like Olivo’s, isn’t necessary. The name “Olivo” and “DH” should never go together in the same sentence.

  161. Glen on April 15th, 2012 11:38 am

    Olivo is starting again today. Day game after a night game. #FireWedge

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