Game 18, Mariners at Tigers

Dave · April 24, 2012 at 2:17 pm · Filed Under Mariners 

Vargas vs Scherzer, 4:05 pm.

Well, apparently, Justin Smoak won’t be trying to solve his contact issues today, as he’s getting the day off to rest up his hamstring. Performance issues aside, Smoak has been dealing with one kind of nagging injury or another for most of his Mariner career. Whether that is a mitigating circumstance for his poor performance or just means that the guy has durability issues, I’ll leave up to you to decide.

In Smoak’s place, Alex Liddi gets his first start against a right-hander. Also, Munenori Kawasaki gets the start at shortstop in place of Brendan Ryan. We haven’t heard anything about Ryan being hurt, but he’s probably not a guy you want to run out there for 150 games a year, so giving him a day off against a right-hander isn’t the worst idea ever.

Figgins, LF
Ackley, 2B
Ichiro, RF
Montero, DH
Seager, 3B
Liddi, 1B
Saunders, CF
Olivo, C
Kawasaki, SS

Comments

174 Responses to “Game 18, Mariners at Tigers”

  1. Mariners35 on April 24th, 2012 2:31 pm

    Isn’t it at 4pm Pacific?

    Perhaps Liddi can be given this whole series to show he could contribute at the ML level, and if Smoak is better, let him DH and Montero catch.

    Or perhaps I should stop pretending like the lineups will be predictable or mutable in any way whatsoever, apart from a) Figgins batting leadoff, wherever he is in the field and b) Ichiro playing RF and batting 3rd.

  2. msfanmike on April 24th, 2012 2:48 pm

    It’s a new day and a new game!

    Woo hoo!!

    But, does anybody foresee anything better than a 3-7 road trip, or is that maybe overstating it a bit?

  3. greentunic on April 24th, 2012 2:58 pm

    Really hoping to see some production from Ackley and Montero today.

    Vargas as well, but for very different reasons.

  4. Westside guy on April 24th, 2012 3:01 pm

    Good thing our everyday catcher hits well against righties, given there’s no alternative available.

  5. just a fan on April 24th, 2012 3:01 pm

    I can’t wait until we get Carp and Gutierrez back.

  6. Westside guy on April 24th, 2012 3:10 pm

    Carp’s hitting .118 in Tacoma – I don’t really think he’d help the big club right now.

  7. easternWAmsfan on April 24th, 2012 3:13 pm

    LETS GO M’S!!

  8. terryoftacoma on April 24th, 2012 3:24 pm

    I think 2 out of 3 is possible with Felix going tomorrow and we don’t have to face their ace. But that’s only if the offence steps up which it hasn’t done lately

    Play ball!

  9. TherzAlwaysHope on April 24th, 2012 3:29 pm

    Let’s not be saying negative things about Olivo. He is just tougher than nails as catcher. And ya just gotta love his approach at the plate. He’s a guy who can show the young kids how to swing at those pitches. Awesomely aggressive.

  10. roosevelt on April 24th, 2012 3:52 pm

    I would like to suggest that Figgin’s get a day off… or two…or three…

  11. Paul B on April 24th, 2012 4:25 pm

    Saunders had a pretty good at bat, but a bad result. But I’ll take a run.

  12. Westside guy on April 24th, 2012 4:25 pm

    Condor needs to better recognize those inside balls…

  13. Westside guy on April 24th, 2012 4:43 pm

    Wow, Wedge seemed rather reasonable in that little clip…

  14. Westside guy on April 24th, 2012 4:45 pm

    Tough luck for Inge.

  15. Westside guy on April 24th, 2012 4:48 pm

    SEAGER! ACKLEY!

  16. Slats on April 24th, 2012 4:49 pm

    Seager!

  17. Westside guy on April 24th, 2012 4:52 pm

    CONDOR!!

  18. Slats on April 24th, 2012 4:53 pm

    Saunders!

  19. Paul B on April 24th, 2012 4:54 pm

    Saunders to the gap!

    I thought he’s had some good at bats lately.

  20. Westside guy on April 24th, 2012 4:54 pm

    One thing about Olivo vs. Montero – Miggy is certainly the faster runner!

  21. msfanmike on April 24th, 2012 4:55 pm

    Another inning where a lead off walk led to a run or runs. Imagine that. And good job Condor. The type of hit he never used to get bedore (driving the ball the other way).

  22. Jay R. on April 24th, 2012 4:55 pm

    LOVE to see Saunders go opposite field with some power! Good inning, fellas.

  23. Westside guy on April 24th, 2012 4:58 pm

    Nice throw by Kawasaki there.

  24. msfanmike on April 24th, 2012 4:59 pm

    Nifty little grab and scoop!

  25. Paul B on April 24th, 2012 4:59 pm

    That was a good throw by Kawasaki.

    I also wanted to mention the called strike 3 on his first at Bat was clearly outside.

  26. Paul B on April 24th, 2012 5:00 pm

    Oh Saunders.

  27. Westside guy on April 24th, 2012 5:00 pm

    Oh come ON Michael! You make that play 99 times out of 100! >:-(

  28. Paul B on April 24th, 2012 5:01 pm

    It is windy though.

  29. Westside guy on April 24th, 2012 5:04 pm

    Yeah, but still – with Condor, the one thing that’s kept him on the roster (despite his offensive struggles) these years has been his defense. So when he drops it, it’s a surprise.

  30. msfanmike on April 24th, 2012 5:06 pm

    Tough play for Saunders to make. We only have one guy who would have made that catch
    And there is no telling when he will be back or for how long.

  31. msfanmike on April 24th, 2012 5:13 pm

    Nice rip and an equally nice play by Boesch.

  32. Paul B on April 24th, 2012 5:18 pm

    Bad call at first.

  33. msfanmike on April 24th, 2012 5:19 pm

    What a crappy call at first. He looked out in real time, too. Nice pick by Liddi again.

  34. greentunic on April 24th, 2012 5:22 pm

    That’s two runs the umps have cheated us today.

    One, a wild pitched he blocked for the cather.

    Two, the groundout Fielder hit and was called safe.

    Three if you coun’t Avila’s supsequent HR

  35. Paul B on April 24th, 2012 5:22 pm

    And that bad call really bites.

  36. Slats on April 24th, 2012 5:24 pm

    Should have already been out of the inning.

  37. msfanmike on April 24th, 2012 5:24 pm

    Vargas has quickly lost his “location”

  38. seattlesonsofbaseball on April 24th, 2012 5:25 pm

    Can’t have anything nice! No justice from umps, which isn’t unusual. And now Vargas is showing his mental capability, or lack there of. @#$%!!!!!!! Did someone sell their soul for the 2001 season?! Because we can’t ever seem to catch a freaking break!

  39. msfanmike on April 24th, 2012 5:27 pm

    I can’t blame the ump for having a leg with an attached shin guard (greentunic) but I can agree with the rest. The ball that Saunders did not quite catch led to a run. Game of inches.

  40. marcus_andrews on April 24th, 2012 5:31 pm

    Wow Liddi was not swinging for a single there… haha

  41. msfanmike on April 24th, 2012 5:34 pm

    Nice AB by Liddi. Battled back and didn’t swing at any crap

  42. Slats on April 24th, 2012 5:34 pm

    Nice Liddi!

  43. msfanmike on April 24th, 2012 5:35 pm

    Get the runner home, Michael.

  44. msfanmike on April 24th, 2012 5:36 pm

    … Or take a walk.

  45. Westside guy on April 24th, 2012 5:37 pm

    Condor, you got a couple pitches just ASKING to be hit!

  46. msfanmike on April 24th, 2012 5:38 pm

    But don’t do that. FB down the gullet – you need to handle that pitch. Instant k up behind you. Crap!

  47. seattlesonsofbaseball on April 24th, 2012 5:39 pm

    What are they going to talk to Scherzer about with Olivo coming up?!?!?! “Alright kid, this is Miguel Olivo”…… (pause)…… Laughter all around!!!

  48. msfanmike on April 24th, 2012 5:40 pm

    A Christmas miracle in April. Olivo got the runner home, but we surrendered a runner in scoring position. Again.

  49. seattlesonsofbaseball on April 24th, 2012 5:43 pm

    Olivo was so happy he put the ball in play to drive the run home, he forgot he wasn’t Carl Crawford on the base paths.

  50. Jay R. on April 24th, 2012 5:43 pm

    Starter is on the ropes, so let’s let him off the hook by sending Olivo. Sigh. Hopefully he did it on his own and Wedge benches him for life for it.

  51. msfanmike on April 24th, 2012 5:44 pm

    Essentially gave up two outs that inning. No real issues as a practical matter with trying to steal second with two outs, but Olivo is not the guy to do it. It needs to be from someone with a better success rate. Olivo runs pretty well, but not base-stealer well. Silly assed crap re-emerges.

  52. msfanmike on April 24th, 2012 5:48 pm

    Miggy gave the ump a real good look at that pitch and got the call. Speaking of a good look … Freaking Cabrera owns us. Jesus Jason. What other result could there be from that pitch in that location?

  53. jordan on April 24th, 2012 5:49 pm

    Anybody else following the Pineda/Yankees saga? I feel bad for Pineda but it looks like the M’s are geniuses right now.

  54. Paul B on April 24th, 2012 5:52 pm

    Oh, Kawasaki you lovable imp.

  55. msfanmike on April 24th, 2012 5:56 pm

    Lets see our bi-annual hit and run, here

  56. greentunic on April 24th, 2012 5:56 pm

    God Dammit Blue!!

  57. Jordan on April 24th, 2012 5:57 pm

    This umpire is better than Olivo.

  58. greentunic on April 24th, 2012 5:58 pm

    Jesus is smiling on the Tigers today…

  59. Paul B on April 24th, 2012 5:58 pm

    Nice one, Jordan!

  60. Westside guy on April 24th, 2012 5:59 pm

    Ackley got a bit of a lucky break there…

  61. msfanmike on April 24th, 2012 6:00 pm

    Drive the runner in. No short popup crap, please

  62. Westside guy on April 24th, 2012 6:00 pm

    I’d love to hear some of the conversation between the ump and Avila the past couple minutes…

  63. Slats on April 24th, 2012 6:01 pm

    What the? Why punt here?!!

  64. marcus_andrews on April 24th, 2012 6:02 pm

    The bunting thing is what killed me about Ichiro last year! I genuinely think his primary goal is to become the all-time hitting champ. I think that’s the reason he doesn’t dive, why he bunts with runners in scoring position, and why he doesn’t walk.

  65. Paul B on April 24th, 2012 6:03 pm

    I’m thinking they think they can bunt for a hit on Cabrera.

  66. msfanmike on April 24th, 2012 6:04 pm

    Our team is scrambling for morsels while the Tigers get ready to hit the feeding trough, soon. Muni would have been dead meat at the plate. Come on Montero.

    Sadly, no morsels that inning

  67. Westside guy on April 24th, 2012 6:05 pm

    Once again I am left to ponder – what the heck does a Slinky have to do with Century Link, or communications in general?

  68. Paul B on April 24th, 2012 6:07 pm

    The thing that gets me is the ferry. You can’t get internet from Centurylink on the ferry.

  69. Paul B on April 24th, 2012 6:08 pm

    Kawasaki!

  70. absolutsyd on April 24th, 2012 6:13 pm

    5 for 16 with RISP is good news???

  71. Westside guy on April 24th, 2012 6:13 pm

    LIDDI!!!!!!

  72. Slats on April 24th, 2012 6:13 pm

    Liddi!!

  73. Paul B on April 24th, 2012 6:14 pm

    Liddi might be earning more playing time.

  74. Paul B on April 24th, 2012 6:16 pm

    Umm, yes, 5 for 16 is good.. That’s over .300.

  75. MrZDevotee on April 24th, 2012 6:23 pm

    5 for 16 is GREAT…

    Whoa, I’m late to the show, what happened… 6 runs, 12 hits, did they drop the “no steroids” rule?

    Nice job kids. And Mr. Liddi has quite a line for himself today, in Smoak’s absence.

  76. stevemotivateir on April 24th, 2012 6:27 pm

    Just got in myself. I see Liddi’s had a big day. How’s his defense looking though?

  77. msfanmike on April 24th, 2012 6:27 pm

    Alright Delabar! Does Wedge have Luetge face Fielder and then go to Wilhelmsen to finish out the eighth.

  78. msfanmike on April 24th, 2012 6:29 pm

    Liddi has had a good day all around. A couple nice picks at 1B on low throws. He certainly hasn’t been a liability on defense today.

  79. stevemotivateir on April 24th, 2012 6:30 pm

    Ah, good to hear.

  80. msfanmike on April 24th, 2012 6:37 pm

    I would have rather seen Delabar for one more batter – then Luetge and then Delabar.

  81. Paul B on April 24th, 2012 6:37 pm

    Wilhelmsen did not look good on Sunday.

  82. msfanmike on April 24th, 2012 6:37 pm

    …. And crap two three four.

  83. MrZDevotee on April 24th, 2012 6:38 pm

    Next pitcher please. (sigh)

  84. stevemotivateir on April 24th, 2012 6:38 pm

    Cabrera and Fielder are a hell of a 1-2 punch.

  85. msfanmike on April 24th, 2012 6:39 pm

    Edit … “and then Wilhelmsen”

  86. stevemotivateir on April 24th, 2012 6:39 pm

    Nice! Ichiro!!

  87. msfanmike on April 24th, 2012 6:40 pm

    Are they just about getting ready to start feasting? I sure hope not, but ……

  88. Paul B on April 24th, 2012 6:41 pm

    Wedge is sort of on autopilot. 8th inning = Wilhelmsen.

  89. MrZDevotee on April 24th, 2012 6:41 pm

    Edit… “and then Bernandez!”

  90. ZVAZDA on April 24th, 2012 6:42 pm

    Can we all agree that it doesn’t matter how bad the Mariners are… it’s worth it to watch Ichiro!?

  91. msfanmike on April 24th, 2012 6:42 pm

    Good block by Olivo. Did I just say that? Please don’t balance it out with a miggy special.

    Nice Yakker!!!

  92. MrZDevotee on April 24th, 2012 6:43 pm

    HUGE K there… Let’s get out of this…

  93. msfanmike on April 24th, 2012 6:43 pm

    I like your idea better, Z

  94. Paul B on April 24th, 2012 6:44 pm

    Nah, Olivo is bad.

  95. G-Man on April 24th, 2012 6:44 pm

    I wondered why Fielder didn’t go on the last one that got away a little.

  96. msfanmike on April 24th, 2012 6:44 pm

    And there was the miggy special. Right down the middle and it cost us a base and potentially a run.

  97. G-Man on April 24th, 2012 6:45 pm

    Woo!

  98. msfanmike on April 24th, 2012 6:45 pm

    Good job Willy!

  99. MrZDevotee on April 24th, 2012 6:46 pm

    Sorry I doubted you, Tom… NICE inning. (I can breathe now)

  100. Paul B on April 24th, 2012 6:46 pm

    Fielder isn’t the fastest guy, so it had to get a long ways away for him to go.

  101. ZVAZDA on April 24th, 2012 6:47 pm

    I don’t remember ever seeing the ball hit the umpire this much. On another note: is anyone watching the Detroit broadcast? Their announcers are weird, right now they are talking about how they should walk Avila and earlier they were entranced with how Ackley “in 333 plate appearances last year” had never bunted. “bunting must not be part of his game plan.” They said it with a lot of derision, too.

  102. msfanmike on April 24th, 2012 6:49 pm

    I wish I knew how to spell Bolisima’ or anything else Italian for that matter. I hope Liddi gets another AB. Molto Bene’ … Whatever that means.

  103. msfanmike on April 24th, 2012 6:49 pm

    Japanese, too.

  104. G-Man on April 24th, 2012 6:50 pm

    OK, so bunt now.

  105. msfanmike on April 24th, 2012 6:50 pm

    Hit a line drive and make an out. Dribble a 60 footer and get a hit. Gotta love this game.

  106. G-Man on April 24th, 2012 6:51 pm

    Ichiro you ace!

  107. msfanmike on April 24th, 2012 6:52 pm

    Nice play Eech. No need to bunt now.

  108. Paul B on April 24th, 2012 6:52 pm

    Taking advantage of Cabrera at third again.

  109. msfanmike on April 24th, 2012 6:52 pm

    Frack!!!

  110. The Nickster on April 24th, 2012 6:54 pm

    Jeezus, Mariners, if you can’t get a guy home from third with no outs… drives me effing nuts.

  111. msfanmike on April 24th, 2012 6:56 pm

    Schooled on that AB. We need another run and Saunders ?! Come on Michael.

  112. G-Man on April 24th, 2012 6:56 pm

    CONDOR! Off a lefty!

  113. msfanmike on April 24th, 2012 6:56 pm

    Atta boy Michael! Nice!!!

  114. Section329 on April 24th, 2012 6:57 pm

    An actual run!

  115. The Nickster on April 24th, 2012 6:57 pm

    Well, they got the runner home… but that was not a great decision to send the trailer home. Dead duck. BLT time. Hold this one, Brandon!

  116. stevemotivateir on April 24th, 2012 6:57 pm

    Saunders ripped that one well! Tired of seeing guys thrown out trying to stretch their luck though.

  117. msfanmike on April 24th, 2012 6:58 pm

    Time for atonement, League. Make it happen.

  118. Paul B on April 24th, 2012 6:59 pm

    Well, if they hadn’t sent, Olivo almost certainly would have ended the inning. So worth the gamble that it would gave been a bad throw.

  119. stevemotivateir on April 24th, 2012 6:59 pm

    Yeah, Wells didn’t have a chance.

  120. msfanmike on April 24th, 2012 7:00 pm

    A valid point by Paul and also valid points that we give away too many outs in general. Three this game.

  121. stevemotivateir on April 24th, 2012 7:00 pm

    That’s a horrible way to make decisions Paul! You might be right, but if that’s the logic they use, they simply shouldn’t have Olivo in there to begin with.

  122. Zero Gravitas on April 24th, 2012 7:01 pm

    Darn you Paul B- your comment is so cynical, yet almost certainly correct!

  123. stevemotivateir on April 24th, 2012 7:03 pm

    Would love to hear Wedge admit that in an interview! “Well, with Miggi up next, we figured it was worth a shot, hoping the throw to the plate would be off.”

  124. msfanmike on April 24th, 2012 7:04 pm

    I think everyone has to agree with Steve’s latest point.

  125. Paul B on April 24th, 2012 7:04 pm

    well, duh. Of course they shouldn’t have Olivo in there.. But Wedge is going to play him almost every game, so have to come to grips with that.

  126. WTF_Ms on April 24th, 2012 7:05 pm

    We’re winning despite Miggy….

  127. stevemotivateir on April 24th, 2012 7:05 pm

    I’m really surprised there haven’t been any complaints from hitters yet (this year), with Leagues jersey hanging open, exposing bright lettering.

  128. msfanmike on April 24th, 2012 7:05 pm

    Wedge didn’t send the runner, though that was all Datz. Or dat was all dis. Great play by Seager! Woot!!

  129. msfanmike on April 24th, 2012 7:07 pm

    Joyce got a call correct at 1B in Detroit. Good time for it, too. Waste this guy, Brandon.

  130. Paul B on April 24th, 2012 7:08 pm

    Joyce might have made up for his horrible call earlier.

  131. msfanmike on April 24th, 2012 7:08 pm

    Three nice picks today. Molto Bene’!!!

    I think.

  132. Westside guy on April 24th, 2012 7:08 pm

    WOO HOO!!

  133. G-Man on April 24th, 2012 7:08 pm

    Great glove game for Liddi tonight. I don’t know how much firt he’s played, but he showed he can handle it.

  134. The Nickster on April 24th, 2012 7:08 pm

    Yes!

    Huge win to start the road trip and break the losing streak. Maybe we just needed to get out of Safeco :-)

    Vargas is 3-1? Excellent.

  135. Zero Gravitas on April 24th, 2012 7:09 pm

    Sweet!

  136. Paul B on April 24th, 2012 7:09 pm

    15 hits for the Mariners!

  137. G-Man on April 24th, 2012 7:10 pm

    As for sending Wells: two outs, trying for one more insurance run, it was the right call, IMHO.

  138. msfanmike on April 24th, 2012 7:11 pm

    I wonder if “Timber” might start taking on a double meaning, soon. Assuming, of course – that it hasn’t already.

  139. Section329 on April 24th, 2012 7:11 pm

    Yahoo. Yu vs Kuroda on MLB network, Texas up 2 in the 7th

  140. msfanmike on April 24th, 2012 7:12 pm

    Can we play all our home games in Detroit?

  141. stevemotivateir on April 24th, 2012 7:17 pm

    I don’t like the decision to start Olivo regularly any more than anyone else here, but I’ll give Wedge the benefit of the doubt regarding plays like that. I don’t think it was his lack of confidence in Olivo and I don’t think that was his call. Fun to joke about, but really, the blame probably goes to the 3rd base coach.

  142. stevemotivateir on April 24th, 2012 7:21 pm

    @Mike

    Do you really want the M’s to face that Tiger line-up more often? I don’t! Oakland might be another story;)

  143. Westside guy on April 24th, 2012 7:49 pm

    Once Guti comes back, I think we might have a pretty decent outfield with Saunders, Guti, and Ichiro. Hopefully by that point Wedge/Zduriencik will have realized it’s time for the Figgins experiment to be over.

  144. Westside guy on April 24th, 2012 7:53 pm

    And if, at the same time, they realize it’s time for the “Olivo is our everyday catcher” farce to end… so much the better.

  145. stevemotivateir on April 24th, 2012 7:55 pm

    I was just thinking the same thing Westy. I’ve also wondered if we will see a trade for an outfielder sooner rather than later, and if so, if that would be the end of the experiment.

  146. JoshJones on April 24th, 2012 8:10 pm

    anyone notice how well Bryan Lahair is doing in Chicago. Between him, Mike Morse, Shin Soo Choo, and asdrubal cabrera we’ve given up on a lot of people way to early.

    With that being said i’m loving the development of seager and Saunders. I’m really divided because the M’s could have a “shot” at the 2nd wild card if they made some moves..But those moves would more than likely require trading some young talent much like Saunders or Seager. And as a result, could add to that list of players we traded to early.

  147. msfanmike on April 24th, 2012 8:12 pm

    Steve: you missed the nuance. I was wondering if the mariners could play all their “home” games in Detroit … Not whether they could play the Tigers every game.

  148. msfanmike on April 24th, 2012 8:19 pm

    Just how many moves do you think the team would have to make, Josh … to have a shot at the second wild card? Is it less than five? The second pick in next years draft is way more realistic IMO

  149. G-Man on April 24th, 2012 8:20 pm

    Josh, I am NEVER in favor of trading young players when the chance of getting far into the playoffs is so remote.

    That said, I know this town is hungry for a playoff team, and that management sees value in trying for one.

    Scratch “management” change to “ownership”.

  150. stevemotivateir on April 24th, 2012 8:21 pm

    Ah, gottchya Mike. Joke’s on me now!

  151. marcus_andrews on April 24th, 2012 8:23 pm

    JoshJones I really don’t think you can say we gave up on Morse or Lahair too early. Lahair is a 29 year old rookie who plays first base without a ton of power. We had plenty of options that were performing as well or better than him and it’s also been two weeks of pt so far.

    As for Morse, he was a shortstop who couldn’t play shortstop and looked HORRIBLE in the outfield and he wasn’t hitting at all. I mean sure, that type of thing happens from time to time that he ends up hitting it big, but there’s nothing in his Mariner career that would really make anyone think he could hit 30 homers in a season. Hindsight is 20/20 but if you look at the decision at the time for those two guys, you really can’t fault the front office at all.

    Choo and Cabrera are different stories… Freaking Bavasi

  152. stevemotivateir on April 24th, 2012 8:30 pm

    @Josh

    Seager isn’t likely going anywhere (soon) and Saunders hasn’t done enough to create any real value.

    The real value we have is in the pitching. Vargas, Noesi (maybe), Beavan, Furbush, and Millwood (though I doubt Millwood will be shipped), are the real trade-candidates. Ryan probably goes as well, as Kawasaki can take the spot til Franklin is ready.

  153. msfanmike on April 24th, 2012 8:30 pm

    I am so happy with today’s win that I am watching the A’s – White Sox game on purpose. Yeah, the A’s. I Can’t get enough of them

  154. msfanmike on April 24th, 2012 8:38 pm

    I think League will end up being the strongest trade candidate. I also think miggy will be moved later in the year … For a middle of the road A-ball prospect. I yearn for the day (yes, yearn) when we have a real lead off hitter. Assuming we can’t get one and assuming ackley assumes that role, a lineup of ackley, Seager, Ichiro, Montero would be a decent top four. Followed by Carp (if right) Guti if healthy, Smoak if awake, Saunders if decent, Jaso if not rigid from lack of playing and a serviceable shortstop; plus two starters and a better bullpen ,.. Then last in the west probably won’t occur. Playoffs! Did someone say playoffs??? It weren’t me.

  155. stevemotivateir on April 24th, 2012 8:40 pm

    Ah, yes, I left League off that list. He’ll have value as well.

  156. msfanmike on April 24th, 2012 8:51 pm

    When one of the three headed monster or carraway or even erasmo is ready to move up, I think millwood would be traded in a heartbeat. He might be traded without that occurring, actually. He is nothing more than a stopgap. Why don’t you think he would be traded down the road … If not outright released down the road to make room for someone else? Just curious about your thought process, Steve. Plus this iPhone is addictive.

  157. msfanmike on April 24th, 2012 8:55 pm

    Franklin has a long way to go and there is no real proof that he can be a major league caliber shortstop. I know we would like for it to happen, but that comes with the perils of falling in love with a player with a good summer in A-ball who was a high draft pick. Jay and others and others more all have concerns about Franklin. If you saw him at all in the spring, you would probably be concerned too. Still high on the prospect list, but those lists change all the time.

  158. stevemotivateir on April 24th, 2012 9:00 pm

    Millwood doesn’t seem to have a lot of gas in the tank and it seems like Wedge wants him around to mentor the younger pitchers. His return would probably net the least of the other starters, so I could see him stickin’ around -even if moved to the pen. Wedge has shown strange loyalty (stubbornness) to worse players, so it really wouldn’t surprise me.

  159. Westside guy on April 24th, 2012 9:00 pm

    Millwood won’t be traded unless his ERA starts coming down…

    (Yes I have looked up his FIP)

  160. Kazinski on April 24th, 2012 9:03 pm

    I wonder if Wedge knows his everyday catcher has an OPS of .375, if not maybe somebody should tell him.

    I hope Liddi’s day might convince Wedge to give him a few more AB’s, hopefully mostly at Olivo’s expense, and Smoak’s durability issues might also be helped by one or two days off a week. When Carp comes back, I hope Figgins is the one that feels the most impact on his playing time. It’s becoming apparent there is a real improvement in Saunders, and he needs to keep building on that. He’s leading the team in doubles, and its not a fluke the way he keeps putting line drives in the gap.

  161. stevemotivateir on April 24th, 2012 9:05 pm

    I’d be surprised if Franklin was ready next year. I know he has a way to go. To be fair, where he really stunk this spring, was at 2nd. But I could see the M’s shipping Ryan this year and stickin’ with Kawasaki for a while. Ryan’s in the last year of his contract and arbitration-eligible for 2013.

  162. stevemotivateir on April 24th, 2012 9:11 pm

    Liddi was the one who surprised me the most this spring. He shortened his swing, showed better pitch recognition and plate-discipline. Seems to be carrying over. It’s early, but he’s making the most of his opportunities. Gotta love that! The one thing I was nervous about, was his defense at 1st. Didn’t look bad today though, so maybe he’s been working on it before the games?

  163. Mid80sRighty on April 24th, 2012 9:13 pm

    Just because Saunders had some good results today doesn’t mean he had a good process. I didn’t see the game, but following Gameday and listening it seemed like he was behind some inside fastballs. And it also seems he’s letting some good pitches go by. Yes, from time to time he’s driving the ball the other way, but it seems at the expense of the inside fastball. Which tells me he’s still got a long swing. He’s good in the field, but his hitting is still a bad process.

    I’m loving Seager, though. I always said, or at least to my friends, that he was going to be All-Star potential. Good swing and he makes adjustments quick. He doesn’t have the raw talent of Ackley, but he makes adjustments quicker.

  164. Mid80sRighty on April 24th, 2012 9:18 pm

    Nice call about Liddi, Steve. I’ve been thinking the same thing.

    And I wouldn’t worry about his first base defense. He’s a third baseman, so first shouldn’t be too difficult

  165. Westside guy on April 24th, 2012 9:40 pm

    If you want to rate Saunders based on what you see on Gameday, that’s fine. But to go by what you heard? That’s not really a good idea, unless Dave C. or Jeff S. started offering regular alternative game audio. If we go by that, we start thinking, oh I don’t know… Olivo’s got a good approach.

    He’s swung and missed on some prime pitches. But the stuff he let go by today was mostly stuff where I thought he made the right decision – even if it ended up being called a strike.

  166. Mid80sRighty on April 24th, 2012 9:47 pm

    Easy Westy, I combine the two to get a mental picture. I understand the flaws with both, but I think eventually the truth comes out combining the two. Not quite the same as seeing it, I understand. And Saunders, from what I can gather, still has a bad approach…it’s just a changed bad approach lol

  167. Zero Gravitas on April 24th, 2012 10:16 pm

    Just watched the 8th inning again. Wilhelmsen was terrific getting those last 2 K’s on very different out pitches.

  168. msfanmike on April 24th, 2012 10:23 pm

    Huh.

    I wonder if the lineup is created with a similar visualization techique. The visceral sensation of creating mental images could just be too tempting to pass up. It would certainly help explain some of the decisions, too.

  169. Kazinski on April 24th, 2012 11:27 pm

    But I could see the M’s shipping Ryan this year and stickin’ with Kawasaki for a while.

    They’d be nuts if they did, the team is much better with Ryan on the field, he is better with the glove and he is better with the bat than Kawasaki. Kawasaki is fine as a backup, but he is not an everyday player by any stretch of the imagination. It’s hard to know what Wedge is going to do, but I can guarantee you Jack isn’t going to make that move.

  170. stevemotivateir on April 24th, 2012 11:34 pm

    ^You don’t know that. Kawasaki could be better with the bat, though that’s not saying much. He absolutely could be an every day player. Why on Earth would you he isn’t “by any stretch of the imagination”? He was for many years in Japan. Probably not as good with the glove as Ryan, but nobody is.

    Having said that, I’m not even saying they should deal Ryan this year. But for the right return… we do have a capable replacement in Kawasaki.

  171. Westside guy on April 24th, 2012 11:42 pm

    I wonder if Carp has been trying to come back too quickly? It’s hard to see how he could be hitting as badly as he currently is in AAA, if he’s healthy.

  172. MrZDevotee on April 25th, 2012 12:23 am

    Westy I love it when Saunders plays well, but I don’t think he’s proven yet that he can play consistently, even just average Major League baseball. I know you’ve been rooting for him for a longtime now, and I hope he does you proud, but there’s a part of me always fearing his “one step forward, two steps back” development. Everytime I think I’m wrong, and get to enjoy him proving me wrong, he falls back to earth again, in a hole ever so slightly deeper than the last– like his statistical dopple-ganger Mike Carp.

    Fingers crossed though.

  173. MrZDevotee on April 25th, 2012 12:47 am

    Note to Wedge…

    Miguel Olivo, .192 Slg%, 3 OPS+ (NOT a typo, yes, “3″)

    and…
    3 passed balls*

    *already leading the league, on pace for 28, which would be the 3rd highest total ever in a season for the modern era (Gino Petralli had 35 in 63 games in 1987- WOW! Caught a knuckleballer?).

    Name me another starting Major League Player able to keep his starting job with this line…

    8 for 52
    .154/.170/.192
    1 BB
    11 K’s
    While leading the league in defensive inefficiency at his position?

    Can we hear the “guys are gonna be held accountable” speech again, Mr. Wedge?

    (Or at least, can you have a sit down with Brendan Ryan and explain how these decisions get made, something like “a throwing error is way worse than 3 K’s with runners on and a passed ball that moves up the winning run… Plus he’s got more ‘grit’ than you do… And he’s more aggressive… And alright, I’ll say it, I’ve never forgiven you for that GAWDAWFUL mustache last year…”)

  174. PinedaExpress on April 25th, 2012 2:32 pm

    ESPN reporting Pineda out for the season with a shoulder injury.

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