Game 24, Mariners at Rays

Dave · April 30, 2012 at 2:45 pm · Filed Under Mariners 

Hernandez vs Hellickson, 4:05 pm.

Happy Felix Day!

M’s go back to the standard line-up against a righty, so you can probably guess the order below by now.

Figgins, LF
Ackley, 2B
Ichiro, RF
Smoak, 1B
Montero, DH
Seager, 3B
Saunders, CF
Olivo, C
Ryan, SS

Comments

232 Responses to “Game 24, Mariners at Rays”

  1. Westside guy on April 30th, 2012 2:47 pm

    I believe Olivo’s batting ahead of Saunders today – Lord knows why. Probably something to do with stranding runners (as in Wedge wants to do that).

    https://twitter.com/#!/Mariners/status/197052315566477313/photo/1

  2. Choo on April 30th, 2012 3:09 pm

    This is probably to give Saunders a close look at a veteran gamer like Olivo.

    Wedge: “Saunders, I want you to go into that on-deck circle and see just how ridiculous Olivo looks . . . taking defensive swings at 0-0 pitches and crap. Don’t be that guy.”

  3. msfanmike on April 30th, 2012 3:15 pm

    I can’t write his name anymore. I just can’t do it.

    Felix holding the Rays at “bay” is probably more important than ‘our catcher’ producing with the bat, and since there is no evidence of Jaso being able to catch (anybody), I supposed Wedge made the only decision he could … in wedge-speak.

    Bizarro World references … still in play.

    Smoak has clearly done what he needs to in order to remain in the 4 spot, too.

    It’s hard for me to determine which decision is worse, actually. Maybe it’s a push and the two negatives will equal a positive. It worked in Basic Algebra.

    Then again, the triumvirate of ‘our catcher’, Ryan, Figgins (if the lineup order above is correct), may be a triple negative thereby turning the double negative from positive to negative.

  4. WTF_Ms on April 30th, 2012 3:24 pm

    Awesome math! Bottom line: Wedge does NOT value talent, only “veteraness, and grittyness”…

  5. Slats on April 30th, 2012 3:44 pm

    Rays just signed Hideki Matsui today.

  6. jephdood on April 30th, 2012 3:46 pm

    I would be concerned with Olivo clogging the bases ahead of Saunders.. but that assumes that Olivo will actually get on base. And that’s just funny.

    You’re an idiot, Wedge.

  7. Slats on April 30th, 2012 3:47 pm

    Montero should be catching, Jaso at DH, Seager at SS and Liddi playing 3B.

  8. msfanmike on April 30th, 2012 4:10 pm

    I would like to propose that there be a Constitutional Amendment outlawing back-to-back series in a domed stadium.

    How long will it be until there are rumors of the Rays moving to Brooklyn – after the Nets start playing there next season?

  9. Slats on April 30th, 2012 4:20 pm

    Come on Jesus!

  10. stevemotivateir on April 30th, 2012 4:25 pm

    That was actually a pretty good pick by Smoak

  11. ZVAZDA on April 30th, 2012 4:25 pm

    Rays scouting report on Felix says:

    Work Horse
    Great MIX of pitches (THANKS DAVE!)

    HFD, everybody.

  12. ZVAZDA on April 30th, 2012 4:28 pm

    Remember when Ben Davis bunted to break up Schilling’s no-no? Bob Brenly called the play “chickenshit” and down 1-0 I think you do what you can to win the game…

    But I am inexplicably mad we don’t get to be excited about Felix maybe getting a no-no today because of a bunt.

  13. msfanmike on April 30th, 2012 4:32 pm

    “our catcher”

  14. marcus_andrews on April 30th, 2012 4:32 pm

    Does anyone have statistics for pitches per plate appearance? It seems like Seager has to be dreadful in that stat. Way too many first pitch outs from him. It’s really frustrating because he used to have some patience…

    BTW… OLIVO?!?

  15. Slats on April 30th, 2012 4:32 pm

    What will Olivo do here?

  16. Sports on a Schtick on April 30th, 2012 4:32 pm

    ROFL Olivo Unchained!

  17. marcus_andrews on April 30th, 2012 4:33 pm

    Wow the Rays really do shift nearly every batter

  18. Jasper_C on April 30th, 2012 4:34 pm

    NOOOOOOOOO.

    For that we get 2 more weeks of Olivo.

  19. FelixFanChris420 on April 30th, 2012 4:34 pm

    John Jaso just slit his wrists somewhere at the end of the bench

  20. mossi on April 30th, 2012 4:35 pm

    tHAT’S my statistical nightmare! my money is on miggy to pace us in HR’s again! all twenty six dollars. who’s in?

  21. Slats on April 30th, 2012 4:35 pm

    OMG Olivo.

  22. Slats on April 30th, 2012 4:36 pm

    Does anyone have statistics for pitches per plate appearance? It seems like Seager has to be dreadful in that stat. Way too many first pitch outs from him. It’s really frustrating because he used to have some patience…

    BTW… OLIVO?!?
    ————-

    Seager 3.70 P/PA.

  23. mossi on April 30th, 2012 4:36 pm

    LOVE to watch you M’s “fans” squirm while Miggy carries the offense on his supple posterior.

  24. absolutsyd on April 30th, 2012 4:38 pm

    Is is just me, or are the camera feeds in Tampa a bit weird looking?

  25. msfanmike on April 30th, 2012 4:38 pm

    Does this mean “our catcher” now needs to cost us a run with his defense in order to retain equilibrium?

  26. marcus_andrews on April 30th, 2012 4:40 pm

    Frankly I don’t see the point of getting upset at Olivo’s success anymore. I mean, I hate him as much as anyone (I really can’t stand to watch him play) but I think Wedge is going to keep putting him in the lineup as long as he has him so might as well just be happy he can occasionally do something that’s not horrible.

  27. HighBrie on April 30th, 2012 4:41 pm

    Little plate of crow served up piping hot. So, if Miggy can hit what, another 58 of those, I think we might have a real dilemma on our hands as to whether he helps or hurts this team..

  28. stevemotivateir on April 30th, 2012 4:44 pm

    Wouldn’t it be funny if Olivo became a .300 hitter, suddenly learned how to catch/block balls in the dirt, and became an all-star? We’d never hear the end of the I told ya so’s from Wedge.

  29. Paul B on April 30th, 2012 4:46 pm

    Bad process, good results.

    Agree with Marcus.

    Anyway, what we are seeing this year from Wedge isn’t any different than last year when Olivo and his .253 OBP hit cleanup.

  30. mossi on April 30th, 2012 4:46 pm

    NICE STOP MIGGY! “great quickness”-Hendu

  31. stevemotivateir on April 30th, 2012 4:47 pm

    As long as Olivo’s a Mariner, I’ll wish him success every time he’s in the game. Just wish I didn’t have to wish him success so often.

  32. SenorStover on April 30th, 2012 4:48 pm

    You guys are ridiculous, I understand the dislike for Olivo when he isn’t performing well but it’s non-stop even after he produces runs. Where is all the dislike for Ryan he has made multiple errors at SS this season and his bat is even worse the only thing he can do well is Robert De Niro impressions.

  33. stevemotivateir on April 30th, 2012 4:49 pm

    Wonder what kind of BJ Upton trade rumors we’ll hear this year. I’d be surprised if the M’s weren’t linked to one before the deadline.

  34. mossi on April 30th, 2012 4:51 pm

    Didn’t you hear the news Senor. ? For every run Miggy produces, he allows 1,062 for the opposition!

  35. stevemotivateir on April 30th, 2012 4:53 pm

    @SenorStover

    It does get a little old when you hear constant complaints even when Olivo does good. But the reason Ryan isn’t under as much fire, is because his career numbers are much better. He’s hit better, played better than what we’re seeing in the early going. Olivo has not had a great career behind the plate. And he was terrible all of last year with the bat.

  36. jordan on April 30th, 2012 4:53 pm

    At work so I cant watch.. how hard is Felix throwing today?

  37. Paul B on April 30th, 2012 4:55 pm

    Ryan is struggling right now, true. Last year, though, Ryan hit better than Olivo. And Ryan is way more valuable in the field. And we don’t have a better hitting opposite handed SS available on the bench.

  38. mossi on April 30th, 2012 4:55 pm

    Shortstops have it easy. No crouching, no foul tips. At least Olivo has an excuse.

  39. marcus_andrews on April 30th, 2012 4:58 pm

    @SenorStover

    Multiple errors at shortstop happen and are to be expected and on the whole Ryan is very very good defensively. Plus, despite his extender 0-fer and Olivo’s recent hot hitting, Ryan still has a better OBP so it’s not like Olivo has been significantly better than Ryan.

  40. stevemotivateir on April 30th, 2012 4:59 pm

    @Jordan

    Felix’s velocity is still down but he looks ok. Still getting settled. Gave up some hits and a run, but nothing to panic about.

  41. marcus_andrews on April 30th, 2012 5:01 pm

    @mossi

    While no doubt catcher is very difficult to play, to say shortstops have it easy is not true at all. There’s a reason shortstops are such a valued commodity, it’s a very difficult position to play well.

  42. Paul B on April 30th, 2012 5:04 pm

    Errors are a horrible way to judge defensive value.

  43. marcus_andrews on April 30th, 2012 5:05 pm

    And even if you do want to talk errors, Ryan has 1 this year, Olivo has three so…

    If you want to argue hitting, Ryan has a higher OBP and OPS than Olivo.

  44. Paul B on April 30th, 2012 5:06 pm

    Olivo is historically (as in, on the all time worst list) bad at stopping pitches.

    He makes up for it, to some extent, by being above average at throwing.

  45. mossi on April 30th, 2012 5:08 pm

    Catch much Olivo?! For throwing out that would be base stealer we’ll get 40 more days and nights of the plague! Do something wrong for once! Don’t lead the team in homeruns!! Convince me not to buy that jersey!

  46. mossi on April 30th, 2012 5:12 pm

    @Marcus. Which position would you rather play? I think shortsop is like picking daiseys compared with catching a fastball with movement like Felix’s. Which position would likely result in a trip to the ER for the average M’s amateur pundit?

  47. marcus_andrews on April 30th, 2012 5:12 pm

    While I don’t hate the idea, another 2 pitch at bat for Seager, it’s starting to really frustrate me and I’ve been a huge supporter of his for a while now.

  48. marcus_andrews on April 30th, 2012 5:14 pm

    @mossi

    I said catching was difficult, I just said that shortstop is not easy. Catching is definitely more difficult, that’s why you see them play so many fewer games. I am in no way refuting that. But in terms of difficulty to play at a major league quality shortstop would probably be second only to catcher.

  49. SenorStover on April 30th, 2012 5:14 pm

    I know how bad Olivo is, I’m just saying Olivo isn’t the only bad player we have.

  50. stevemotivateir on April 30th, 2012 5:15 pm

    @mossi

    A trip to the ER? Like say, if a base-runner took out the legs of a SS covering the bag, or trying to turn a double-play?

  51. SenorStover on April 30th, 2012 5:15 pm

    And even though Ryan is a “good” defensive SS, the problem with the Mariners isn’t defense it’s offense and right now, not career, Olivo is hitting better then Ryan.

  52. stevemotivateir on April 30th, 2012 5:18 pm

    ^.215 OBP -right now.

  53. marcus_andrews on April 30th, 2012 5:18 pm

    @Senor

    In batting average and homers yes, but in OBP and OPS Ryan is better than Olivo this year. And it’s a very real possibility that if we had Seager or Liddi playing short instead of Ryan, defense would become something closer to a problem.

    I think you can have one or two hitters of Ryan’s quality in a lineup if they’re at key defensive positions, our problem is that we don’t have hardly anyone else that’s above average to make up for Ryan’s slightly below average offensive output.

  54. stevemotivateir on April 30th, 2012 5:20 pm

    Ryan’s OBP is .290 (these are the numbers for both players coming into tonight’s game).

  55. mossi on April 30th, 2012 5:21 pm

    @Marcus: Shortstops need to get some bats waved in their grill while attempting to catch the foul tip off a 96 mile an hour heater!! Jumping over kirk gibson’s legs once a week while throwing to first base, is like playing jacks in comparison. But statistical “gurus” have no way to compute this, so we get to listen to amateurs run Olivo out of town for two years.

  56. marcus_andrews on April 30th, 2012 5:22 pm

    For all the hype about his slower fastball, Felix’s other pitches have all looked even better this year. He’s a nightmare to opposing hitters

  57. jordan on April 30th, 2012 5:22 pm

    I know nobody is panicking.. and Felix hasn’t given us a reason to.. but such a drop in velocity from one year to another almost certainly leads to a trip to the DL. I hope Felix isn’t just ‘being a man about it’ and if there is something wrong he speaks up before he heads for TJ.

  58. stevemotivateir on April 30th, 2012 5:22 pm

    Holly cow, that’s one loud fan!

  59. msfanmike on April 30th, 2012 5:23 pm

    Come on Saunders – line a gapper.

  60. msfanmike on April 30th, 2012 5:24 pm

    Maybe I should have better defined, “gapper”

  61. mossi on April 30th, 2012 5:24 pm

    Oops above snarky catcher remark directed to Stevemotivator not Marcus …

  62. SenorStover on April 30th, 2012 5:26 pm

    OBP Ryan is better this year but not OPS.

  63. stevemotivateir on April 30th, 2012 5:26 pm

    @Jordan

    If his control is there, and it is, the drop in velocity doesn’t necessarily indicate an injury in the making. I’m sure he would have spoken-up if there was anything feeling weird or painful. He’s been around long enough to know better. Having said that, you can’t help but wonder a little, eh?! Hopefully everything’s ok.

  64. stevemotivateir on April 30th, 2012 5:30 pm

    @mossi

    First, nobody needs a bat in their face. Second, it was already made clear that catcher is the toughest position. The point, is that SS isn’t as easy as you seem to think.

  65. mossi on April 30th, 2012 5:30 pm

    …At least with all the hubbub directed at Miggy, Chone Figgins can somehow emerge “unscathed” from most of these posts, presently. (Although I would not hold my breath)…And he plays one of the easier positions. Now that is a freakin’ miracle! What happened to the deserved outrage there? Are we just “over it”? Did everyone just collectively sigh and move on to Olivo? He’s not even hitting 4th, 5th or 6th this year…

  66. mossi on April 30th, 2012 5:33 pm

    @Stevemotivator :No one NEEDS a bat waved in face, per se, but every other pitch it seems to happen. No, i understand shortstop is the second hardest spot… I’m just making a pretty dull point.

  67. stevemotivateir on April 30th, 2012 5:34 pm

    One more point, mossi… Olivo isn’t the only catcher on the team. You would hear a lot less complaining if he was platooned with Jaso to make the most of the righty-lefty match-ups.

  68. stevemotivateir on April 30th, 2012 5:35 pm

    Oh, well thanks for your dullness!

  69. mossi on April 30th, 2012 5:35 pm

    If Jaso can catch so well why did he get traded here for a rapist?

  70. mossi on April 30th, 2012 5:36 pm

    Was that a little less dull?

  71. marcus_andrews on April 30th, 2012 5:36 pm

    Actually I think Figgins slightly gets let off the hook because he plays the easiest position. It’s hard to draw too much negative attention when, defensively at least, you’re a virtual non-factor.

    With that said, I do think he should be trashed with all the vitriol Olivo receives for his offense. It’s truly atrocious how often he’s striking out for a guy who has such little power.

  72. msfanmike on April 30th, 2012 5:37 pm

    Catcher is the toughest and most important defensive position. SS is next. Centerfield is third. I think everyone already understands that. Been waiting a long time to be able to crow about the quality play of our catcher, Mossi?

    It means one of four things:

    1) You are statistically ignorant, but with capacity to learn something
    2) You are stupid with no capacity to learn and just looking for a fight via a freakin keyboard
    3) You are a troll
    4) You have the patience of Job (pronounced Jobe)

  73. stevemotivateir on April 30th, 2012 5:38 pm

    Haha, yeah, I don’t get that one either! Seriously though, his BA dropped last year, and they have Molina. I can understand them letting him go, but for Lueke? I didn’t think they were THAT desperate for bullpen help!

  74. mossi on April 30th, 2012 5:38 pm

    Pick one. I’m gonna go with Job.

  75. seahopp on April 30th, 2012 5:40 pm

    That was shocking.

  76. marcus_andrews on April 30th, 2012 5:41 pm

    I think the Lueke thing is because the Rays LOVE reclamation projects for relievers as long as they have good stuff. Rodney and Farnsworth have had their share of issues (none as bad as Lueke’s and I’m not trying to say they are) and the Rays have turned them into valuable pieces. I think they are/were looking to do the same with Josh.

  77. stevemotivateir on April 30th, 2012 5:42 pm

    @mossi

    That was much less dull, it was pretty funny! Seriously, Jaso is a pretty good catcher. He’s showing he can hit this year, he’s a left-handed bat, and his career numbers behind the plate are better than Olivo’s, so I hope you can understand why people wanna see more of him. If not, I feel sorry for you.

  78. msfanmike on April 30th, 2012 5:44 pm

    I’m gonna go with 2 and 3, but it is still only a small sample from which to draw any conclusions.

  79. stevemotivateir on April 30th, 2012 5:44 pm

    I read the report on Lueke’s incident. I wont regurgitate it here, but I wasn’t too excited about having him around.

  80. msfanmike on April 30th, 2012 5:50 pm

    No player on the Mariners knows Hellickson better than a guy who “caught” him last year. Factor in handedness and Jaso should be in today’s lineup somewhere. Assuming, that is – playing the odds matters anywhere other than Vegas.

  81. stevemotivateir on April 30th, 2012 5:52 pm

    And Hellickson’s a RHP, so there’s even more reason to have Jaso in there.

  82. msfanmike on April 30th, 2012 5:54 pm

    Nobody was sad to see Lueke go. Plus, we
    Replaced him with a Luetge, so there is that.

    All part of the growingly curious Cliff Lee trade, i suppose. Hopefully Beavan does not end up becoming the headliner of it. Don’t want to even start down the even more curious road of the Doug Fister trade.

    However, i would like to do see the m’s find a way to score a couple runs.

  83. mossi on April 30th, 2012 5:56 pm

    @M’sfanmike: “Looking for a fight via keyboard” is a bit extreme. I hope that my attempts of humor/blind allegiance to certain team members does not seriously upset anyone.It can be fun to debate but just to be sure i will apoligize.I’m sorry for the snarky statistical ignorance. Perhaps you will make me a non-believer yet.It has been traumatic for M’s fans the last few years and I am just trying to keep it fun. I may have a problem: I like Olivo. I’m not his mom, but i think he’s a capable player. Perhaps this is a delusion i am suffering. Anyway it’s clear that you do not appreciate my approach here as it is not the right venue, so i will attempt to knock it off.

  84. stevemotivateir on April 30th, 2012 5:57 pm

    I doubt Beavan sticks around too long. I could see Vargas getting dealt first, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see Beavan go before the deadline.

  85. marcus_andrews on April 30th, 2012 6:01 pm

    I really hope we don’t trade Beavan. I might be in the minority here, but I think he is a perfect fit for us. We don’t expect him to be, nor do we need him to be an ace. He eats innings very effectively and works quickly making him my idea of an ideal 5th starter. He logs quality starts and doesn’t try to be more than he is and thus rarely gets lit up.

  86. stevemotivateir on April 30th, 2012 6:06 pm

    Well, with Ramirez, Hultzen, Paxton, and Walker in the works, there wont be a lot of room.

  87. msfanmike on April 30th, 2012 6:06 pm

    Actually, this is a venue for snarkiness, but moreso along the lines of having statistical proof. Nothing wrong with liking a certain player, but when that player is statistically bad in a violently reprehensible way, it sets off even the moderately statistically inclined … Of which I probably am. You don’t need to apologize, but I wish you had chosen option 1. That’s probably where you actually are. Unless you have received a scolding by Dave directly or by someone else who understands stats as well as a lot of these guys do, you have probably not yet received your badge of honor. My delivery was, well … Less mature than it should have been for my age, but direct (in the virtual sense) nonetheless.

  88. stevemotivateir on April 30th, 2012 6:07 pm

    All those guys have the stuff to be at the top of the rotation.

  89. marcus_andrews on April 30th, 2012 6:08 pm

    Well until all of them get to the pros and succeed, I think there ought to be a spot for Beavan. We just saw with Pineda that any thing can happen with pitchers and I don’t think a proven (albeit not particularly exciting) commodity as young as Beavan has plenty of value to our team.

  90. msfanmike on April 30th, 2012 6:09 pm

    At Steve: you really think Beavan will be traded? I think he is a perfect #5 starter and it will be a while before Cerebus is on the major league roster in its entirety. I think we need Vargas for a while, too. This kind of debate, I like.

  91. stevemotivateir on April 30th, 2012 6:11 pm

    Oh, I agree. I don’t wanna see him traded off just yet. But I could certainly understand and see it happening. He’ll have value because of his MLB experience and having several years of team control left.

  92. msfanmike on April 30th, 2012 6:13 pm

    10-4. Logical.

    Now … RUNS!

    Rob-Roy ….. Wherefore art thou???!!!

  93. absolutsyd on April 30th, 2012 6:13 pm

    Anyone else having big problems with MLB.tv today? I mean, it usually is buggy, but this has just been rediculous. The feed has dropped for me 3-4 times!

  94. stevemotivateir on April 30th, 2012 6:13 pm

    Yeah, I do think he’ll be traded. And I’d suspect Ramirez or Furbush would replace him. Noesi’s a little less attractive right now.

  95. marcus_andrews on April 30th, 2012 6:15 pm

    I don’t think he’ll return enough value to justify a trade though. I think that if Millwood does anything resembling decent we will turn him around for spare parts and I think if someone is able to offer at least one high ceiling prospect we could see Vargas go. I think Beavan is one of the least likely guys to be traded on our roster this season.

  96. stevemotivateir on April 30th, 2012 6:16 pm

    For the record, I’m not saying he should be traded, I’m saying I believe he’ll be traded.

  97. stevemotivateir on April 30th, 2012 6:17 pm

    I doubt Millwood goes anywhere. Seems to be one of Wedge’s boys. Lot more value in Beavan. But as I said earlier, I think Vargas will be the first to go. He’ll net the best return (well, other than Felix of course).

  98. marcus_andrews on April 30th, 2012 6:18 pm

    I still just don’t see it. He doesn’t have the experience in a pennant race for a contender to be really comfortable sending him out there in huge games and I don’t think he has a long enough track record for teams to think he’ll translate just fine into a guy who can help them in the playoffs.

  99. msfanmike on April 30th, 2012 6:18 pm

    Ackley is historically a slow starter, correct?

    May April’s crapfest of run scoring turn into May’s showers. Isn’t that how the old saying goes?

  100. msfanmike on April 30th, 2012 6:19 pm

    Breakout time, Justin! Right handed, even.

  101. marcus_andrews on April 30th, 2012 6:20 pm

    I don’t think Millwood will stay around. I think Wedge likes him because he’s a veteran, but I don’t think he loves him enough to prevent him being traded. I think he’ll ably serve his purpose until someone (Yankees, Tigers, etc.) need a proven guy for their stretch run

  102. marcus_andrews on April 30th, 2012 6:20 pm

    Yes, Ackley has always been horrible in April comparatively.

  103. msfanmike on April 30th, 2012 6:21 pm

    Well, that was quick and painless.

    Rob-Roy!!!

    I know, music business, late nights, infant son. Etc etc. We need some Scottish mojo. Bring it!

  104. stevemotivateir on April 30th, 2012 6:22 pm

    @marcus

    You could have said the same for Fister. He had more experience, but still real young. With an extra wild-card team, maybe there’s extra players in the buyers market? I could definitely see it happening.

    @mike
    Even in the minors, Ackley has had bad Aprils. But real strong May’s. So hopefully he’s about to come alive!

  105. marcus_andrews on April 30th, 2012 6:25 pm

    @Steve

    I don’t think it can be said to quite the same degree for Fister. Beavan hasn’t even had a full season of experience and he hasn’t been as effective as Fister was either. I just think if people come calling we will go the Millwood or, as you have mentioned, Vargas route.

    I know you conceded that Fister had more experience, but I don’t think this can be glossed over quite so easily.

  106. msfanmike on April 30th, 2012 6:26 pm

    Crap … Ball has to be caught.

  107. msfanmike on April 30th, 2012 6:28 pm

    Whole inning changes with the mis-judged pop-up.

    Crap again!

  108. stevemotivateir on April 30th, 2012 6:29 pm

    I don’t think Millwood will show enough stamina to appeal to a contender by July and I doubt he’d bring back much, if anything. Having said that, I wouldn’t be shocked if he did get dealt, either. I’m looking more at the potential returns. Who’s most likely to bring back a solid player(s). I think Vargas is first on that list, Beavan second. Doesn’t mean Noesi or Furbush (or Millwood) wont go first. With so many up & coming prospects, something’s gotta give soon. I’d be shocked if none of the current starters is traded by the deadline.

  109. msfanmike on April 30th, 2012 6:30 pm

    Based on last years performance, I still don’t know why the rays signed Scott in favor of Damon.

    I am now glad they did, but……

  110. ZVAZDA on April 30th, 2012 6:31 pm

    RE: MLB TV. Mine has been perfect this evening, but I watch on XBOX.

  111. msfanmike on April 30th, 2012 6:32 pm

    Marcus, Steve; I think everyone else must be eating dinner right now. I am on a hunger strike until we score.

    Or lose.

  112. stevemotivateir on April 30th, 2012 6:33 pm

    @marcus

    Yeah, the Fister comparison was a reach, but the point is that he’s young and under team control for a while, much like Beavan. Personally, I’d have no problem seeing Millwood go. Maybe another team prefers a veteran? I just can’t see him netting much.

  113. marcus_andrews on April 30th, 2012 6:34 pm

    @mike

    Scott has actually been fairly productive for them this year and I think Maddon loves having versatility and Scott at least could play in the field, Damon not so much.

    @Steve

    While I think Beavan might get more return than Millwood, I think that the organization will value what he can provide to us more than we would get offered in a trade. Realistically I would expect 2 prospects, one of which would have a chance to become an OK big leaguer (think the current version of Carlos Truienfel) and one that is almost destined to be organizational filler and I just don’t think that would be enough to trade Blake.

  114. marcus_andrews on April 30th, 2012 6:34 pm

    @Mike

    I was just thinking the same thing. Us three seem to be dominating this conversation slightly haha.

  115. msfanmike on April 30th, 2012 6:35 pm

    Jesus, Jesus.

  116. stevemotivateir on April 30th, 2012 6:35 pm

    @mike

    I really didn’t get the Scott signing either -or passing on Kotchman after the season he had. Pena’s good, has more flash for sure, but you get better defense with Kotchman, and he certainly held his own with the bat.

  117. msfanmike on April 30th, 2012 6:39 pm

    A long slow short single into the outfield? How else do you describe that hit
    By Seager.

    Money bag!

  118. marcus_andrews on April 30th, 2012 6:39 pm

    @Steve

    I actually think Pena is as good or better than Kotchman defensively. Plus he gets a much higher OBP thanks to his walks.

    And just so we’re clear, I’m not trying to argue with you consistently, it’s just been working out that I’ve respectfully disagreed with your last few points.

  119. seahopp on April 30th, 2012 6:40 pm

    If Olivo scores Kawasaki, I will not complain about him for a month.

  120. stevemotivateir on April 30th, 2012 6:40 pm

    @marcus

    That’s the big question! What’s a team willing to pay? That will ultimately decide whether or not he goes. If half-assed prospects are all we can net, I’d bet Jack waits for the offseason, or even til next season.

  121. marcus_andrews on April 30th, 2012 6:41 pm

    Can anyone explain to me why Wedge has an aversion to using League in anything but a save situation? Maddon has no problem going to Rodney here, why are we going with Wilhelmsen and not League? Why worry about the save when getting a lead is far from a foregone conclusion.

  122. msfanmike on April 30th, 2012 6:41 pm

    Come in “our catcher” need a knock

  123. marcus_andrews on April 30th, 2012 6:42 pm

    Wow, that was actually picture-perfect hitting by Olivo!

  124. msfanmike on April 30th, 2012 6:42 pm

    Sweet … You loveable goofball.

    Sweet!

  125. lalo on April 30th, 2012 6:42 pm

    Olivo!!

  126. seahopp on April 30th, 2012 6:44 pm

    That was really dumb.

  127. msfanmike on April 30th, 2012 6:44 pm

    Something must have been lost in translation, there. Great for a squeeZe bunt, but not great for a safety squeeze bunt. And, why the bunt. Saunders can hit a fly ball. Proven already.

    Frack!

  128. lalo on April 30th, 2012 6:44 pm

    Wedge is weird…

  129. marcus_andrews on April 30th, 2012 6:45 pm

    That looks like Saunders did that on his own accord, interesting.. I would have liked to have seen him swing away. He’s hard to double up and a fly ball scores a run. I don’t like bunting there much.

  130. stevemotivateir on April 30th, 2012 6:45 pm

    I like Pena, I was just surprised they didn’t resign Kotchman. They signed Pena kinda late. I think Kotchman is better defensively, and would have cost less, but I certainly understand going after Pena (again).

    I didn’t think you were arguing. I see your angle. I can understand your points as well. I just think that ultimately, the younger pitchers who’ve looked good, and are controllable beyond this year, will appeal to other clubs more.

  131. dogkahuna on April 30th, 2012 6:46 pm

    Nice decision Wedge–man, I want you gone!!

  132. msfanmike on April 30th, 2012 6:47 pm

    I am getting hungry.

  133. csteavens on April 30th, 2012 6:47 pm

    Oh my. Condor up to bat, one out. Talk about front row seat to an awful move. It’s clearly more likely they score on a sacrifice fly than on the squeeze. One of the worst decisions I have ever seen.

  134. stevemotivateir on April 30th, 2012 6:49 pm

    Man, that replay really depresses me.

  135. stevemotivateir on April 30th, 2012 6:51 pm

    Thank God Ackley was quick backing that up

  136. stevemotivateir on April 30th, 2012 6:52 pm

    yikes, this isn’t good

  137. texasmarinerfan on April 30th, 2012 6:52 pm

    Does this injury mean Jaso might get some playing time? Not to be happy about an injury but…

  138. msfanmike on April 30th, 2012 6:52 pm

    Great play by Ackley. Our catcher, hurt. Nobody wants to see that. Boy, that looks like a bad one.

  139. marcus_andrews on April 30th, 2012 6:53 pm

    I like to see Wilhemlsen throw pitches out of the strike zone. I think his biggest problem this year has been that he insists on challenging people.

    Despite my strong dislike for Olivo, I really don’t like to see anyone get hurt and for Olivo to leave a game it can’t be good, he genuinely is tough as nails.

  140. stevemotivateir on April 30th, 2012 6:53 pm

    So, we’ll need to pinch hit for the pitcher…. let’s hope this doesn’t go on for too long!

  141. The Nickster on April 30th, 2012 6:54 pm

    Not to be cynical here, but I’ve been reading this blog pretty regularly for the last month, and the posts have been 96 percent anti-Olivo–people saying they couldn’t WAIT to see him sat down or DFAed. So, if you were being honest, most of you should be dancing in the streets right now. Just being logical.

  142. seahopp on April 30th, 2012 6:55 pm

    I predict that Guillermo Quiroz gets called up, Jaso still gets to ride the bench.

  143. msfanmike on April 30th, 2012 6:55 pm

    We are one foul tip from having Bloomquist catch. Or a pitcher. Or Wells. Yikes? And a pitcher batting.

    No more fooling around … We need a fucking run!

  144. marcus_andrews on April 30th, 2012 6:55 pm

    As an aside, how weird is it that the exact same situation presented itself in High Dessert a few nights ago where the backup catcher was the DH and thus the pitcher had to be in the lineup? You don’t see it happen often so for it to happen within our organization twice this week seems really strange.

  145. Swungonandbelted on April 30th, 2012 6:56 pm

    Hopefully it’s just the muscle and not a torn tendon… :(

  146. stevemotivateir on April 30th, 2012 6:56 pm

    Wow, that was the worst attempt to break-up a double-play, I’ve seen in a while.

  147. msfanmike on April 30th, 2012 6:58 pm

    Nobody wants to see anybody hurt, nickster. I know I don’t. Spent too many months on crutches during my athletic days. No no no – people want wedge to field the most sensible lineup … Not for someone to get hurt. I disagree with you.

  148. mossi on April 30th, 2012 7:01 pm

    Catching sure is a stroll through the park. Win one for the Migg!

  149. marcus_andrews on April 30th, 2012 7:01 pm

    Yeah I’m completely with Mike here. While I wish Olivo wouldn’t play so regularly, I never wanted the solution to be an injury.

  150. msfanmike on April 30th, 2012 7:01 pm

    Didnt Adam Moore get hurt in Tampa right when he was “starting to put it together” a couple years ago. Approx three injuries ago?

  151. jeffs98119 on April 30th, 2012 7:02 pm

    Can someone share what happened? I’m outta town!

  152. msfanmike on April 30th, 2012 7:02 pm

    Move to Brooklyn. Play on real grass.

  153. marcus_andrews on April 30th, 2012 7:02 pm

    @mike

    That was last year actually. And he had two hits at that point if I remember correctly. So while that is what the announcers said, I think it might have been at least a little bit generous.

  154. hidalgo on April 30th, 2012 7:03 pm

    I think Vargas is your first pinch hitter. Casper the ghost is invisible on the bench.

  155. msfanmike on April 30th, 2012 7:04 pm

    Absolutely news a SB here. Tampa knows it too, though.

    Frack. One pitch at bat out again. Come on smoak. Understand the situation.

  156. Swungonandbelted on April 30th, 2012 7:05 pm

    Jeffs –

    Looks like Olivo pulled his groin on a throw to first after chasing a ball down…

  157. msfanmike on April 30th, 2012 7:05 pm

    “need”

    Now “needed”

    Frack, I am hungry.

  158. jeffs98119 on April 30th, 2012 7:05 pm

    Swungonandbelted – Bummer, thanks.

  159. msfanmike on April 30th, 2012 7:08 pm

    Time moves slowly in Adam Moore years, apparently. I do remember he doubled and then pulled Up lame. I thought he got carted of defensively last year. Oh well, having had four knee surgeries myself, I think I know where his career is headed.

  160. JMB on April 30th, 2012 7:09 pm

    Sims: Tough play, going over the mound there.

    Blowers: Well, it was actually over the home plate area, so it’s flat.

    Sims: Well, that home plate can be slippery.

    Blowers: I think it’s painted on there.

    Sims: Oh, it’s painted on there?

  161. msfanmike on April 30th, 2012 7:13 pm

    ???

    Yes, they paint the plate a couple times during the game. Or at least, used to do it. Had nothing o do with what happened 30′ away from the plate, though. He contorted his body and threw. Ca-bloowey.

  162. Swungonandbelted on April 30th, 2012 7:14 pm

    Think JMB was referencing Ackley’s run through the bullpen on that pop fly

  163. TherzAlwaysHope on April 30th, 2012 7:16 pm

    OK. Time to start ragging on the Mariner catcher of the day.

  164. Swungonandbelted on April 30th, 2012 7:18 pm

    That last pitch was filthy….

  165. marcus_andrews on April 30th, 2012 7:19 pm

    Wow, Montero did not look comfortable back there at all. That was scary! Hopefully that’s just discomfort catching for Wilhelmsen or something..

  166. nathanp2112 on April 30th, 2012 7:19 pm

    Wilhemsen has such a nasty curve.

  167. Swungonandbelted on April 30th, 2012 7:20 pm

    Jesus!

  168. marcus_andrews on April 30th, 2012 7:20 pm

    JESUS!!!!

  169. nathanp2112 on April 30th, 2012 7:21 pm

    Scariest thing from this game – the possibility that Montero has to spend more time behind the plate.

    OK, the dinger in the top of the 11th kind of helps that hurt.

  170. Slats on April 30th, 2012 7:22 pm

    Jesus delivers!

  171. seahopp on April 30th, 2012 7:22 pm

    PRAISE JESUS!!!

  172. marcus_andrews on April 30th, 2012 7:22 pm

    It’s a good thing Wedge saved League.. I hate when poor process leads to good results and perpetuates the bad behavior. League should have been in the game already but because it worked out, Wedge will think that this was the proper way to handle it. Same thing happened in Japan

  173. marcus_andrews on April 30th, 2012 7:24 pm

    Is anyone else’s broadcast having a lot of issues? Or is this just me?

  174. texasmarinerfan on April 30th, 2012 7:24 pm

    Trust in Jesus…

  175. nathanp2112 on April 30th, 2012 7:25 pm

    Just you, Marcus. You were selected to be part of a special test.

  176. mossi on April 30th, 2012 7:26 pm

    Why do you think League should have been in the game while it was still tied ?

  177. csteavens on April 30th, 2012 7:27 pm

    Baseball managers adapt too slowly. We’re 5 games back right now. There’s never any urgency to make chanages. On another note, I appreciate the contribution from that fan shouting in the background. Hints at the cavernous, depopulated emptyness of a Rays game.

  178. absolutsyd on April 30th, 2012 7:28 pm

    Marcus, I’m on mlb.tv and it’s been terrible tonight. Completely missed the Montero home run.

    And ya, why would League have been in a tie game again? I thought on the road it was always best to save your closer to save games.

  179. marcus_andrews on April 30th, 2012 7:28 pm

    I think that your best reliever should pitch in the biggest situations and I think that a tied game in the tenth = the biggest situation. Just like Maddon brought in Rodney in the 9th, that’s a logical decision. I don’t think you should “save” anyone when one run would mean the end of the game.

  180. nathanp2112 on April 30th, 2012 7:29 pm

    When League’s fasball is up = lots of trouble. Seems to happen about every 4th game with him. I’m still not sold on him being as great as he’s billed.

  181. marcus_andrews on April 30th, 2012 7:30 pm

    I seriously can’t watch the game and my game cast isn’t working, this is so frustrating!

  182. csteavens on April 30th, 2012 7:31 pm

    I find League’s interventions hair raising.

  183. msfanmike on April 30th, 2012 7:31 pm

    Hook wiggle off, please.

  184. nathanp2112 on April 30th, 2012 7:33 pm

    Every single batter League faced hit the ball HARD. League blows another save when Felix is brilliant.

  185. marcus_andrews on April 30th, 2012 7:33 pm

    Brandon League is so frustrating! Seems to only blow the saves that it would be particularly emotionally draining to blow.

  186. msfanmike on April 30th, 2012 7:34 pm

    I am going to eat, anyway.

  187. hidalgo on April 30th, 2012 7:34 pm

    I thought the Rays were tired after their grueling road trip to Texas?

  188. msfanmike on April 30th, 2012 7:35 pm

    One hell of a back hand play by Liddi. Awesome!

  189. bookbook on April 30th, 2012 7:36 pm

    Tonight’s results notwithstanding, I’m not sure how strong the argument s that Wilhelmson’s not the Ms best reliever. E’s awfully good.

  190. csteavens on April 30th, 2012 7:36 pm

    Yeah, but, you know, Wedge won’t adapt to the situation with League for at least another couple of months because, you know, no urgency when roles are at stake.

  191. Westside guy on April 30th, 2012 7:39 pm

    I just get home, figuring this game would be over!

    Crap, did we use a season’s worth of for-Felix runs the last time? This just looks like more of the same…

  192. marcus_andrews on April 30th, 2012 7:39 pm

    I don’t necessarily think League is our best, but I definitely think that’s how Wedge and co. view it and if that’s the case, I think he should be in earlier. I don’t think you should save someone for a save when it’s in extras.

  193. Westside guy on April 30th, 2012 7:40 pm

    League = Closer. That means best pitcher.

    Right?

    (FWIW I do think League is quite good – most of the time…)

  194. marcus_andrews on April 30th, 2012 7:40 pm

    I’m officially done with the Figgins experiment. I can’t do it anymore. I don’t care that we’re paying him regardless, I don’t care that he could accumulate more value by playing. He’s horrible. You can’t have your leadoff hitter be a black hole in the order. It’s terrible.

  195. FELIXisKING on April 30th, 2012 7:41 pm

    Why not put Upton on there? He’s the hottest hitter on the Rays with Longoria out and it gets you too Sean Rodriguez who is every bit as useless at the plate as Brendan Ryan, Chone Figgins, and Miguel Olivo. Go ahead and say we can’t put the winning run on base but if we had done that, we would be celebrating a victory right now.

  196. Westside guy on April 30th, 2012 7:42 pm

    Right now, Ichiro’s back on track for another 200 hit season.

  197. marcus_andrews on April 30th, 2012 7:42 pm

    Upton is also a career .240 hitter or so. I know he’s hot now, but he’s not exactly a world beater and you would hope your closer could get that guy.

  198. csteavens on April 30th, 2012 7:43 pm

    It doesn’t appear that League ever gets his secondary stuff over the plate. Meanwhile, his fastball starts out over the plate and always bends outside, down, away as opposed to back over the plate. And he’s got that haircut and tattoo. Closer. Oooh, must not threaten the closer’s role because he’s the only reliever that can have a major payday.

  199. CountvonCount on April 30th, 2012 7:44 pm

    Off the top of my head I think most/all of Tom’s runs have been given up when we’ve been behind, definitely like him in situations where he’s holding a lead/ keeping the game tied. Do you think he’ll get the job when League gets dealt?

  200. FELIXisKING on April 30th, 2012 7:44 pm

    It’d also be nice to have a 3 hitter that is capable of hitting the ball out of the park late in games (or hit an extra base hit for that matter.) it’s time to end the Ichiro in the 3 spot experiment. He’s weak line drive singles are nice and all, but he has no ability whatsoever to put a charge in a ball.

  201. csteavens on April 30th, 2012 7:47 pm

    Yeah, but who does hit extra base hits with any regularity? As far as I can tell, they all hit mostly weak singles.

  202. Westside guy on April 30th, 2012 7:47 pm

    Olivo hurt his groin? What’s Wedgie going to do? We have no other catcher!!

  203. Westside guy on April 30th, 2012 7:49 pm

    Yup, Olivo’s definitely been mentoring Jesus.

  204. csteavens on April 30th, 2012 7:53 pm

    The bright side is that if Saunders drove in that run, then they would have probably brought in League who would have tied it up and then blown it anyway.

  205. marcus_andrews on April 30th, 2012 7:53 pm

    My signal is still not working. This is killing me. Only channel that isn’t working for me!

  206. Westside guy on April 30th, 2012 7:53 pm

    Well, that was an interesting 10 minutes.

  207. msfanmike on April 30th, 2012 7:53 pm

    Paging Mr Kelley – please lack a bag for Tampa.

  208. CountvonCount on April 30th, 2012 7:54 pm

    The pregame “what do you think of Felix?” Roundabout noted Jaso as “Mariner’s Designated Hitter” which I guess was a better description than “pine-rider”

  209. seahopp on April 30th, 2012 7:54 pm

    Does Carp have any arm on him? Could he have conceivably made that throw?

  210. marcus_andrews on April 30th, 2012 7:54 pm

    Wow, what a crushing loss. This April has not endeared Brandon League at all. I’m ready to trade him to the Red Sox right now

  211. pdxMsfan on April 30th, 2012 7:55 pm

    Looked like a decent throw to me.

  212. FELIXisKING on April 30th, 2012 7:57 pm

    Yeah well Upton is capable of a base hit. Rodriguez is not. Seems foolish to play career numbers when a guy is Hutton near .350 THIS YEAR. By your logic, Figgins is a stellar on base guy.

  213. msfanmike on April 30th, 2012 7:58 pm

    “pack” … Although “lack” almost works, too.

    Paging Mr carp and mr Kelley. See ya Chone. See ya later, Iwakuma.

  214. The Nickster on April 30th, 2012 7:59 pm

    Well, Mike and Marcus et al, I know that yer not HAPPY that he got hurt. On the other hand, it ends up being the same thing, doesn’t. He stops playing. Highly convenient. Jaso and Montero get more starts, experience, etc. Miggy sits down. Everybody wins.

  215. marcus_andrews on April 30th, 2012 8:00 pm

    Woah woah woah… Upton has been back for three days. So to use his season numbers is beyond using small sample size.

  216. msfanmike on April 30th, 2012 8:01 pm

    Figgins actually has a decent arm. He probably made a stronger throw than carp would have. The hit lost the game, not the throw.

    The lack of hitting, actually lost the game.

  217. Westside guy on April 30th, 2012 8:02 pm

    I admit to having ragged on Olivo, but – it’s not his fault his manager is an idiot.

    I’m sorry to hear he got hurt.

  218. msfanmike on April 30th, 2012 8:06 pm

    Westy, do you work in downtown Seattle and commute to sumner every day? If so, I feel your pain. A friend of mine teaches in Sumner and it is a nice area, but my 9 minute commutes to work are something I am not willing to part with. When I retire, it will be condo city in issaquah or somewhere near the park, assuming i Can convince the Mrs. But I could not do that Seattle area commute for even a day. Life is tough enough already.

  219. Westside guy on April 30th, 2012 8:13 pm

    It’s even worse – I work at UW. :-D Normally I take the Sounder to King Street, then catch a bus to the UW.

    I do get to telecommute one day a week, which is great! Wish it were two or three days a week though. ;-)

  220. marcus_andrews on April 30th, 2012 8:18 pm

    Woah Westside, what do you do at UW? I’m a student at that fine establishment.

  221. Westside guy on April 30th, 2012 8:25 pm

    I’m the webmaster for the Department of Electrical Engineering.

  222. marcus_andrews on April 30th, 2012 8:27 pm

    Ahh well that only completely guarantees that I will at no time bump in to you

  223. msfanmike on April 30th, 2012 8:29 pm

    Long day for you, Westy. God speed.

    I had a chance to move up there in ’91, but elected to not go. I scouted it out thoroughly and just couldn’t pull the trigger and was single at the time. Met wife shortly therafter and we both had a chance to go again in late 90′s, but passed again. Summer was calling, and it was a fairly close call, but we stayed put. Too old for the aggravation by that point. Sorry if I blew your cover. I hope you didn’t flunk any of the other bloggers. Actually, you are in a research field, correct?

  224. msfanmike on April 30th, 2012 8:31 pm

    Web-master Westy. Someone’s gotta do it.

  225. Westside guy on April 30th, 2012 8:32 pm

    I used to work in a geophysics research lab until the director retired and the place shut down. Now I’m doing web support for the entire EE department – so not much research anymore.

    Unless you consider my gardening to be research. hehe

    Hey I think the web stuff is fun, most of the time! One nice thing about being at the university – I get to do a lot of different stuff. In the corporate world I’d be doing one thing most of the time.

  226. Westside guy on April 30th, 2012 8:35 pm

    Hehe Marcus.

  227. msfanmike on April 30th, 2012 8:39 pm

    I work for big brother and it is the same thing all of the time. A relentless seige of political crap on a bozo stick. Not fun, but not a perpetual thing to have to do. I should be retired by the time the mariners win it all. In the meantime, the 3 hours of daily vacation for six months out of the year shall carry me through.

  228. Westside guy on April 30th, 2012 8:48 pm

    BTW I didn’t mean all private sector jobs were “doing the same thing all the time” – it was just about the nature of most computing/web jobs anymore. In the university environment you have to wear lots of hats out of necessity – but it makes the work more interesting (in my opinion).

  229. UnderTheClouds on April 30th, 2012 9:49 pm

    Tomorrow’s headline, if Seattle had a tabloid:
    “BE-LEAGUE-ERD!”

    This is his second blown Felix win and we’re not even out of April. (Ok, tonight he blew Wilhelmson’s win, if you wanna get technical). I’m glad he was kept out on the mound for the 12th–it was appropriate that his pitch let the winning run cross the plate.

    Whenever I read “Happy Felix Day! ” on this site, I just want to pull the shades and crawl back in bed. I’m taking no joy in watching his outings wasted by this sad-sack organization. I find myself hoping he doesn’t stay with Seattle. He deserves better and the losing would be much easier to take.

  230. stevemotivateir on April 30th, 2012 10:57 pm

    I left for the movies with my lady as it went into extra innings. Got home to find the game being replayed, right where I left off. Needless to say, I was a little disappointed to see it end the way it did. Really hope we don’t see much (any) more of these with Felix. Two runs over 12 innings. Nuts.

  231. mossi on May 1st, 2012 1:28 am

    @UTClouds : Hoping Felix leaves the team? you’re joking ? or is there a statistical analysis somewhere that supports this too ? That would sure be a “more fun” team to watch. But maybe not quite as much fun as watching last year’s team. Count your blessings.

  232. UnderTheClouds on May 1st, 2012 8:16 pm

    I have a lot of contempt for the Mariners. I could care less about how the team fares. I hope Felix leaves so he can have a chance to pitch every five days for a team with a competent offense, for once in his career.

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