Game 39, Mariners at Indians

Dave · May 16, 2012 at 3:06 pm · Filed Under Mariners 

Hernandez vs Jimenez, 4:05 pm.

Happy Felix Day!

Saunders moves up… you know what, screw it. The line-up doesn’t matter. All this time being spent talking about batting order is just a giant waste of time. Batting order has a very small impact on a team’s performance over the course of the season. It just isn’t worth all this attention.

Ackley, 2B
Saunders, CF
Ichiro, RF
Montero, C
Seager, DH
Smoak, 1B
Liddi, 3B
Figgins, LF
Ryan, SS

Comments

97 Responses to “Game 39, Mariners at Indians”

  1. Mid80sRighty on May 16th, 2012 3:11 pm

    Amen Dave! Stupid amount of time talking about something that doesn’t matter. I expect that from the talking heads, but not on a site like this.

    Go Felix!

  2. david h on May 16th, 2012 3:24 pm

    I think it’s a worthy topic of discussion, not for its own sake, but for what it reveals about a manager’s evaluation of the players, of what lineups mean, or of both.

  3. marc w on May 16th, 2012 3:35 pm

    Interesting line-up. Ubaldo’s a righty, but the M’s have Liddi at 3B and Seager DHing. Also interesting that Figgins gets a start over Carp, though I guess it’s time for one of Figgins mercifully rare starts.

  4. Mid80sRighty on May 16th, 2012 3:35 pm

    Fair enough, David. But I’d argue a lot of time Wedge moves guys around in the order for “mental” reasons. Apparently some of these guys are mental midgets and just can’t handle hitting in the 4 hole because of the immense pressure…

  5. Mid80sRighty on May 16th, 2012 3:46 pm

    Wedge talked about wanting to get Liddi some ABs against righties. And I’d imagine Figgins is in there just so he knows Wedge hasn’t forgetten about him, even though we all hope he would.

  6. stevemotivateir on May 16th, 2012 3:48 pm

    Wedge is clearly giving an accountability lesson to Kawasaki and Wells. Kidding.

  7. Westside guy on May 16th, 2012 3:57 pm

    But sometimes arguing ad nauseam about Wedge’s lineup choices is the most exciting thing about a Mariners game…

  8. stevemotivateir on May 16th, 2012 4:03 pm

    ^haha! Unfortunately, that’s probably true. Certainly beats listening to Sims’ stories.

  9. Sports on a Schtick on May 16th, 2012 4:06 pm

    MLB.tv free game of the day. Go Felix!

  10. Westside guy on May 16th, 2012 4:08 pm

    Good start, Ackley!

  11. stevemotivateir on May 16th, 2012 4:08 pm

    Ackley!

  12. stevemotivateir on May 16th, 2012 4:09 pm

    I think he hits for the cycle tonight. Anyone wanna take that bet?

  13. Westside guy on May 16th, 2012 4:09 pm

    All right, we’re hitting 1.000!

  14. stevemotivateir on May 16th, 2012 4:09 pm

    Saunders! Nice start!!

  15. stevemotivateir on May 16th, 2012 4:10 pm

    Let’s see if Saunders steals

  16. Auggeydog on May 16th, 2012 4:10 pm

    I think it would be more important if we had more than a couple MLB ready hitters, and a few space fillers until the kids are ready. Right now bounce them around, see how they do. They are not going to make the playoffs, so learn for down the road when they will.

  17. Westside guy on May 16th, 2012 4:10 pm

    Jose Lopez at 3rd, Kotchman at 1st – it’s like old home week, as my mom likes to say.

  18. stevemotivateir on May 16th, 2012 4:11 pm

    Just as good

  19. Westside guy on May 16th, 2012 4:14 pm

    * Insert snarky RBI comment here *

  20. stevemotivateir on May 16th, 2012 4:15 pm

    That go-ahead run was for Dan!

  21. stevemotivateir on May 16th, 2012 4:15 pm

    haha, beat me to the punch Westy!

  22. Westside guy on May 16th, 2012 4:15 pm

    hahahah Steve, great minds…

  23. Mid80sRighty on May 16th, 2012 4:16 pm

    Watching on a Razr, but it looked like Ichiro! was safe.

  24. msfanmike on May 16th, 2012 4:20 pm

    Dan is probably busy compiling his analysis of pitching … And thank you mid 80s – he looked safe to me too at real speed. I did not see a replay, though. Nobody said anything, so the ump probably got it right.

  25. msfanmike on May 16th, 2012 4:21 pm

    Well, they have at least given Felix a rare, early lead. Really needed to get a crooked number on the board, though. Two runs would have been a perfect way to start.

  26. 9inningknowitall on May 16th, 2012 4:22 pm

    It was so weird checking on gametracker and seeing not only hits for the Mariners in the first inning but a run. Did the website make a mistake and put up another teams stats with the mariners names by accident.

  27. stevemotivateir on May 16th, 2012 4:23 pm

    @Mike

    Dan would probably complain that the way he got the RBI wasn’t acceptable for a #3 hitter.

  28. msfanmike on May 16th, 2012 4:24 pm

    I thought Carp was getting the start today. Did he get hurt or did Wedge just want to give Figgins a game – or Carp a message or neither or both?

  29. stevemotivateir on May 16th, 2012 4:25 pm

    Man, it’s hard to see Cabrera in that Indians uniform. Oh, what could have been…

  30. stevemotivateir on May 16th, 2012 4:26 pm

    RHP on the mound, it would make sense to start Carp, so that’s probably why Figgins is in there instead.

  31. Westside guy on May 16th, 2012 4:26 pm

    Man, Felix – they gave you a run, what more do you want? ;-)

  32. msfanmike on May 16th, 2012 4:28 pm

    Yeah, maybe you are right Steve. I had a hard time following his stream of consciousness. If a number 3 hitter cannot drive the ball out of the park with his forearms, I guess he just can’t be productive.

    Geez, Felix. Try getting out of this and give up less than two runs

  33. stevemotivateir on May 16th, 2012 4:28 pm

    Bleh. That stings.

  34. djw on May 16th, 2012 4:28 pm

    Ugh. That was positively Olivo-esque.

  35. stevemotivateir on May 16th, 2012 4:28 pm

    Nice snag by Ackley

  36. msfanmike on May 16th, 2012 4:33 pm

    How about a DP!

  37. marc w on May 16th, 2012 4:34 pm

    This isn’t a promising start. C’mon Felix.

  38. marc w on May 16th, 2012 4:35 pm

    I mean, he’s considerably older than many players in this game, but something about seeing Mickey Brantley’s son play makes me feel old.

  39. Westside guy on May 16th, 2012 4:36 pm

    Felix is obviously missing the veteran presence of Miguel Olivo.

  40. stevemotivateir on May 16th, 2012 4:37 pm

    haha, I know what you mean Marc

  41. Westside guy on May 16th, 2012 4:38 pm

    Oh man…

  42. stevemotivateir on May 16th, 2012 4:39 pm

    That was about as ugly of a play as I’ve seen this year.

  43. pgreyy on May 16th, 2012 4:39 pm

    Cue the Benny Hill music.

  44. stevemotivateir on May 16th, 2012 4:40 pm

    Hopefully Montero will shake it off and make-up for it at the plate.

  45. msfanmike on May 16th, 2012 4:40 pm

    Oh my God … Fuck fuck shitty fuck duck and suck.

    And !!!!!!!!!

  46. Westside guy on May 16th, 2012 4:41 pm

    Let us know how you *really* feel, Mike. :-D

  47. texasmarinerfan on May 16th, 2012 4:41 pm

    What do we have to do to get Yadier Molina?

  48. msfanmike on May 16th, 2012 4:42 pm

    How bad would we be hammering Olivo for that fubar of an exhibition.

  49. Westside guy on May 16th, 2012 4:44 pm

    I think I am lucky to just be listening to today’s game…

  50. marc w on May 16th, 2012 4:44 pm

    I don’t care if you fuck around and play like fools every now and again, but you DO NOT mess Felix Day. This is a sacred institution, and this kind of shit will not be tolerated.

  51. msfanmike on May 16th, 2012 4:44 pm

    Zuninio … I suddenly changed my mind from the other day.

    And … Phookity phook phook and shit!

  52. SonOfZavaras on May 16th, 2012 4:45 pm

    What is it about this team? When we face the Indians, so many times the damnedest, goofiest stuff on the field happens.

  53. stevemotivateir on May 16th, 2012 4:46 pm

    ^yeah, no kiddin’

  54. absolutsyd on May 16th, 2012 4:46 pm

    He’s a rookie, he’s a rookie, he’s a rookie… I’ll just keep saying this to my self.

  55. jase411 on May 16th, 2012 4:46 pm

    The damndest goofiest stuff happens to this team period. The opposition is irrelevant.

  56. SonOfZavaras on May 16th, 2012 4:47 pm

    Also…Montero is 22. I’m not gonna rip him a new one for that play… although that was just bonehead baseball, throwing it to third.

  57. stevemotivateir on May 16th, 2012 4:49 pm

    Speaking of goofy things, anyone see that at-bat by Lowrie last night? Looked like something out of “The Naked Gun”.

  58. msfanmike on May 16th, 2012 4:50 pm

    Jose Lopez: that’s just uncalled for.

  59. msfanmike on May 16th, 2012 4:53 pm

    I am sensing a need for an attitude adjusting workout, but I will do it with the game on in the background. I will defer judgement on its success, accordingly.

  60. stevemotivateir on May 16th, 2012 4:55 pm

    ^Sounds good, but don’t lose the humor.

  61. stevemotivateir on May 16th, 2012 4:56 pm

    Watch, they convert Figgins to pitcher, after that weird throw-in.

  62. Westside guy on May 16th, 2012 5:00 pm

    Maybe he’d have a good knuckler…

  63. Westside guy on May 16th, 2012 5:03 pm

    Ackley!!!

  64. stevemotivateir on May 16th, 2012 5:04 pm

    Ackley! One step closer to that cycle!

  65. SonOfZavaras on May 16th, 2012 5:06 pm

    I’m amazed that one went out. It almost looked like the most defensive, “excuse-me” swing I’ve ever seen from Ackley.

    Still, nice job. This is a game now.

  66. stevemotivateir on May 16th, 2012 5:07 pm

    Nice to see Saunders swipe 2nd, flash his speed in that two-hole.

  67. stevemotivateir on May 16th, 2012 5:12 pm

    Kind of ironic that if Saunders hadn’t stolen that base, he would probably be safe at 1st, and the inning would continue.

  68. marcus_andrews on May 16th, 2012 5:19 pm

    That pitch was seriously not close haha

  69. SonOfZavaras on May 16th, 2012 5:26 pm

    You know you’re a slow runner when Jose Lopez can range to his left, snag ball, get up…and throw you out.

  70. marcus_andrews on May 16th, 2012 5:28 pm

    Remember when we thought Alex Liddi had figured out his K problem? Those were the days..

  71. marcus_andrews on May 16th, 2012 5:35 pm

    Trying your hardest to be impartial, who would you rather have as your second baseman for the next few years, Kipnis or Ackley?

  72. stevemotivateir on May 16th, 2012 5:38 pm

    Trick question? I’d say Kipnis, if it meant putting Ackley in left.

  73. marcus_andrews on May 16th, 2012 5:40 pm

    It wasn’t intended to be a trick, more just genuine curiosity as to who everyone thought was the superior player

  74. stevemotivateir on May 16th, 2012 5:40 pm

    I know, I was kidding :P

  75. stevemotivateir on May 16th, 2012 5:41 pm

    Honestly, I like Ackley.

  76. marcus_andrews on May 16th, 2012 5:42 pm

    Yeah I think they’re pretty close. I think Ackley’s faster and has a little more pop, but I think Kipnis is as good or better in terms of batting average and probably a slightly superior fielder.

    Wow Felix is getting shelled.

  77. stevemotivateir on May 16th, 2012 5:44 pm

    Geez…. would be nice to see him get out of the inning on a positive note.

  78. stevemotivateir on May 16th, 2012 5:46 pm

    nuts

  79. SonOfZavaras on May 16th, 2012 5:48 pm

    Well, let’s see.

    We’ve lost 4 of the last 5, and are 5 runs behind on this one. Our ace just got hammered as if he just got called up- and just got told to take a shower. In the fourth inning.

    Fuckin’-A lovely.

  80. marcus_andrews on May 16th, 2012 5:50 pm

    Heaven forbid Iwakuma come in..

  81. SonOfZavaras on May 16th, 2012 5:50 pm

    [forehead pounding kitchen table]

    Anyone else get the idea this isn’t a Seattle Mariners kinda day?

  82. pgreyy on May 16th, 2012 5:50 pm

    MAKE IT STOP! MAKE IT S–oh, it’s stopped!

  83. stevemotivateir on May 16th, 2012 5:52 pm

    Iwakuma for long relief? Why on Earth would Wedge put him in? He’s already had a couple of appearances this year.

  84. pgreyy on May 16th, 2012 5:52 pm

    “Welcome back, everybody,” said Dave Sims, undeniably overestimating the masochism of “everybody.”

  85. absolutsyd on May 16th, 2012 5:53 pm

    I wonder if Nintendo knows that the Indians use the Mario coin sound when they score runs.

  86. stevemotivateir on May 16th, 2012 5:56 pm

    Damn, Ackley was suppose to get his triple there. He can still pull-off a cycle though.

  87. stevemotivateir on May 16th, 2012 5:57 pm

    Well, looking at the positives, at least the top of the order is producing.

  88. SonOfZavaras on May 16th, 2012 6:21 pm

    Okay, that’s it. Done with this game. I’m going to go out and do gardening.

    And I HATE gardening.

    My guess is that a lot of you guys are right there with me in being done watching.

  89. Westside guy on May 16th, 2012 6:23 pm

    We will be seeing Saunders in the second spot for the next two months now.

  90. argh on May 16th, 2012 6:26 pm

    Maybe it’s just me but Felix has not been totally Felix-ish this year. He’s worrying me.

  91. msfanmike on May 16th, 2012 6:36 pm

    Saunders has had a nice game and also had 3B stolen with ease, earlier – but Montero swung at an 0-0 pitch and Saunders got doubled off. He had a good lead, a great read and a good jump.

    Montero on the other hand looked like a 22 year old rookie today. To his credit, he has not yet looked that way on both sides of the ball in the same game – until today. At least not to any glaring level that I can recall.

    Felix just did not have it today. Cleveland owned him. It happens. That’s the good news. The other “good news” – Noesi pitches tomorrow and will probably hold the Indians to less than 10 runs.

    Shit-sloppy crap game. Not even Tony Horton could help me completely overcome the Mariner Malaise virus, but he got close.

  92. msfanmike on May 16th, 2012 6:44 pm

    @pgreyy: where are you plying your craft this week? For anybody who doesn’t know, Pete is a stand-up comedian in real life.

    Shameless plug for a fellow Mariner fan.

  93. stevemotivateir on May 16th, 2012 6:45 pm

    Our buddy “dantheman” is at it again. I swear, some people just don’t know when to shut-up.

  94. Westside guy on May 16th, 2012 8:16 pm

    Well, you see Steve – Ichiro’s RBI wasn’t on a hit so it didn’t count. :-P

    I was really amazed that anyone could’ve looked at Rod Carew’s line from his final season and apparently not find it the least bit odd that a guy hitting .280 wasn’t offered a contract. It is quite apparent attention to detail isn’t dantheman’s strong suit.

  95. stevemotivateir on May 16th, 2012 9:33 pm

    Yeah, no kidding Westy!

  96. pbk13 on May 16th, 2012 11:40 pm

    Time to get really pissed off folks.

    I realize you can’t blame this loss on Figgins. But when he is playing, it means Wedge is not doing the minimum of what he must do to win. We’ve seen this story time and again.

    Remember when Jose Vidro played, batted cleanup, as Adam Jones sat? Jones now has 11 dingers. WTF.

    And now another losing season. Why does this team still have any fans?

  97. pgreyy on May 17th, 2012 2:35 am

    @msfanmike I’ve got a week off here at home before hitting the road again.

    (Thanks for the plug!)

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