Game 42, Mariners at Rockies

Mike Snow · May 19, 2012 at 11:47 am · Filed Under Mariners 

Vargas vs. Friedrich, 1:10 pm.

You might remember Christian Friedrich as one of the many players we could have selected back in the first round of the 2008 draft instead of Josh Fields, a college reliever with bad command who has never made any progress. Okay, that was a Bavasi/Fontaine pick, but Zduriencik still went ahead and signed Fields after he held out until the following spring.

Montero is back in the lineup after his day off.

2B-L Ackley
LF-R Wells
RF-L Ichiro
C-R Montero
3B-L Seager
1B-R Liddi
CF-L Saunders
SS-R Ryan
P-L Vargas

Comments

240 Responses to “Game 42, Mariners at Rockies”

  1. mariners88 on May 19th, 2012 12:00 pm

    ***EDIT***
    Ackley – 2B
    Ichiro – RF
    Liddi – 1B
    Montero – C
    Ryan – SS
    Saunders – CF
    Seager – 3B
    Vargas – P
    Wells – LF

    Alphabetical order, please. It’s magical.

  2. Westside guy on May 19th, 2012 12:16 pm

    Lefty pitcher – so Saunders will homer.

    I’m just kidding… but his SSS power surge against lefties this year *has* been odd.

  3. msfanmike on May 19th, 2012 12:47 pm

    There is a nice military march rhythm to the lineup (Wedge’s version, anyway) today. It makes me want to rent the movie “Stripes”

  4. msfanmike on May 19th, 2012 12:49 pm

    Chapman is going to pitch in the bottom of the 8th – MLB Network – right now

  5. ima-zeliever on May 19th, 2012 1:10 pm

    Nice to see Wells in there…

  6. seattlesonsofbaseball on May 19th, 2012 1:17 pm

    Nothing but a steady diet of fastballs to the first three hitters… and all three can’t do anything with it. This guy is throwing 92 to 93 and we’ve all hit the ball as it was in the middle of the plate and still can’t get a hit off him? I hope the only explanation is that his movement is really good.

  7. Kazinski on May 19th, 2012 1:37 pm

    Seager made the ball move a little too.

  8. Westside guy on May 19th, 2012 1:49 pm

    C’mon, Vargas, smoke it!

  9. stevemotivateir on May 19th, 2012 1:50 pm

    At least he took a good cut at it.

  10. stevemotivateir on May 19th, 2012 1:55 pm

    Wow, a base-hit, from the “least productive good hitters in the history of the game”.

  11. Westside guy on May 19th, 2012 1:57 pm

    Yeah Montero! Doing what Ichiro can’t.

    Selfish Ichiro, not driving in Wells from first.

    (Yes I am kidding)

  12. stevemotivateir on May 19th, 2012 1:58 pm

    I was tryna make a funny. Nice to see Montero hit Wells (edited) in. Turns out, base-hits from the #3 hitter CAN lead to good things:)

  13. stevemotivateir on May 19th, 2012 1:59 pm

    Seager!

  14. msfanmike on May 19th, 2012 2:00 pm

    Sweet 2-out rally!

    Good time for a bomb, Liddi

  15. stevemotivateir on May 19th, 2012 2:01 pm

    So Wells and Ichiro get on, Montero and Seager finish things off. Hard to see anyone complain about that!

  16. stevemotivateir on May 19th, 2012 2:06 pm

    Kinda ironic to see a promotion with a Justin Smoak growth-chart, when his growth as a player seems to be stunted.

  17. Westside guy on May 19th, 2012 2:08 pm

    Seager really is starting to look the real deal.

    Surprises are nice.

  18. Westside guy on May 19th, 2012 2:10 pm

    Crap – thought Condor had a double there.

    Nice catch by Fowler though.

  19. Westside guy on May 19th, 2012 2:11 pm

    Brendan!

  20. stevemotivateir on May 19th, 2012 2:11 pm

    Wow, talk about surprises Westy!

  21. Westside guy on May 19th, 2012 2:12 pm

    Yeah, Ryan’s gotta be happy about that.

  22. stevemotivateir on May 19th, 2012 2:13 pm

    Isn’t it funny. that the higher expectations were of Smoak, Carp, and Wells. But it’s been Seager, Saunders, and Liddi, who have been the bigger (pleasant) surprises. I think everyone knows Ackley and Montero will do just fine.

  23. Westside guy on May 19th, 2012 2:13 pm

    VARGAS RBI!!

  24. stevemotivateir on May 19th, 2012 2:14 pm

    Vargas!!!

  25. msfanmike on May 19th, 2012 2:14 pm

    Vargas – bragging rights!

  26. stevemotivateir on May 19th, 2012 2:15 pm

    Felix will always have that GS in his back-pocket though;)

  27. stevemotivateir on May 19th, 2012 2:18 pm

    I think people make too much of pitchers running the bases. They can always run a little less aggressive. I’d much rather see a base hit than a sacrifice fly (assuming the base hit allows the same result).

  28. G-Man on May 19th, 2012 2:24 pm

    stevemotivateir, I want to answer this question that you posted last night:

    “I step out to feed the cats and I return to see Seager on 3rd. Did he hit a triple?”

    No. He was born on third base.

  29. stevemotivateir on May 19th, 2012 2:26 pm

    funny!

  30. stevemotivateir on May 19th, 2012 2:28 pm

    Seager is doing nearly everything you could ask, or expect of him.

  31. stevemotivateir on May 19th, 2012 2:35 pm

    I was just taking a look at Franklin’s numbers in Jackson. The .342/.398/.532/.930 line is good (though he still struggles against lefties), but on the flip-side, he has 7 errors already. He still has a lot of work to do.

  32. stevemotivateir on May 19th, 2012 2:37 pm

    Saunders!!

  33. stevemotivateir on May 19th, 2012 2:38 pm

    42 games in, and it’s Seager & Saunders, leading the team in doubles. Weird season.

  34. G-Man on May 19th, 2012 2:41 pm

    IF Vargas gets 2 more RBI, I will yell for joy.

  35. G-Man on May 19th, 2012 2:43 pm

    They used to call that the cardinal sin – walking the pitcher.

  36. stevemotivateir on May 19th, 2012 2:45 pm

    To be fair, Vargas had a .500 BA :P

  37. stevemotivateir on May 19th, 2012 2:45 pm

    Ackley!!!

  38. stevemotivateir on May 19th, 2012 2:46 pm

    Looked like he had thought it was foul!

  39. Breadbaker on May 19th, 2012 2:46 pm

    After the passed ball, I was expecting the IBB, the ultimate sign of respect for our leading hitter.

  40. stevemotivateir on May 19th, 2012 2:46 pm

    Wow, right down the middle. They’re lucky he didn’t turn on that one.

  41. G-Man on May 19th, 2012 2:47 pm

    I am liking playing these Rockies people. Can we tweak the schedule to get in, say, 20-30 more games with them?

  42. G-Man on May 19th, 2012 2:50 pm

    “Looked like he had thought it was foul!”

    Yeah, I saw that. Would have driven me crazy if it had cost him a base. Something you learn NOT to do way back in Little League.

  43. stevemotivateir on May 19th, 2012 2:50 pm

    Match-ups haven’t mattered. Everyone’s hitting!

  44. stevemotivateir on May 19th, 2012 2:54 pm

    Wonder if the Rockies would be interested in Beavan + League for Gonzales or Colvin?

  45. msfanmike on May 19th, 2012 2:58 pm

    Too bad the Astros can’t just stay in the NL and have the Mariners and A’s join them

  46. Westside guy on May 19th, 2012 2:59 pm

    Darn it – I’m making a habit of missing exciting parts of the games. I had to step away for a few minutes, and – BAM! – four more runs score!

  47. stevemotivateir on May 19th, 2012 3:00 pm

    Yeah, last inning was a bit nuts!

  48. lalo on May 19th, 2012 3:01 pm

    Beavan has a HR problem, he would suffer in Coors, and they don´t need League, they aren´t competing this year. And Colvin isn´t very good.

    Maybe James Paxton + Nick Franklin for Gonzalez, maybe…

  49. stevemotivateir on May 19th, 2012 3:01 pm

    I think Liddi’s the only one without a hit

  50. Westside guy on May 19th, 2012 3:01 pm

    Hey Mike – maybe the Mariners need to lobby for a switch to the NL. The Astros could still come over to the AL, and Bud could get his original wish with the Brewers coming with them.

    I don’t want the A’s coming with us though. ;-)

  51. stevemotivateir on May 19th, 2012 3:02 pm

    I was joking lalo. I don’t think Colvin’s bad though. Wouldn’t be my first choice, but for Beavan… sure!

  52. Westside guy on May 19th, 2012 3:03 pm

    That defensive wizard – Jason Giambi!

  53. mossi on May 19th, 2012 3:04 pm

    Maybe now Vargas will see some pinch hitting duty ?

  54. mossi on May 19th, 2012 3:05 pm

    He has a great approach, so far today.

  55. msfanmike on May 19th, 2012 3:05 pm

    Have the Rockiea ever been shut out back-to-back at home?

  56. Westside guy on May 19th, 2012 3:06 pm

    It’ll be funny if Vargas gets another walk.

  57. mossi on May 19th, 2012 3:06 pm

    Trade him!

  58. stevemotivateir on May 19th, 2012 3:07 pm

    I would have died laughing if Vargas broke his bat over that K.

  59. lalo on May 19th, 2012 3:08 pm

    Vargas will be an interesting case at trade deadline…

  60. stevemotivateir on May 19th, 2012 3:09 pm

    ^He’s an interesting case right now! But yeah, he could probably fetch a nice return.

  61. stevemotivateir on May 19th, 2012 3:11 pm

    Wonder if the Phillies have had an eye on him?

  62. mrnostalgia on May 19th, 2012 3:12 pm

    I personally love watching Vargas pitch almost as much as Felix and would dearly miss him if he left. Just like I missed Fister last year. Although he does have great value…

  63. lalo on May 19th, 2012 3:15 pm

    Maybe Boston would trade for Vargas, I´d love a Vargas for Youkilis trade… We can wait and see if he´s worth 13 millions for next season, if he plays well would be a bergain, he can play some 1st , 3rd and DH.

  64. stevemotivateir on May 19th, 2012 3:16 pm

    Last year, I was hoping it would be Vargas traded, rather than Fister. I like Vargas too, but I’d be surprised if they kept him.

  65. stevemotivateir on May 19th, 2012 3:17 pm

    Geez, did we jinx him?

  66. stevemotivateir on May 19th, 2012 3:19 pm

    Back on the trade subject, I’d really like to see an outfielder. Hard not to like Youkilis, but I don’t think I’d give Vargas for him.

  67. mossi on May 19th, 2012 3:19 pm

    Too bad we didn’t trade him last inning before he came to the plate with a .500 average and the 6 inning shutout still going.

  68. stevemotivateir on May 19th, 2012 3:20 pm

    Wouldn’t it be funny if MLB GM’s had some kind of ebay-like wire, for acquiring players?!

  69. mossi on May 19th, 2012 3:24 pm

    Couldn’t Figgins at least fake an injury so we could place him on the 60 day DL…Where’s Tanya Harding when you need her.

  70. lalo on May 19th, 2012 3:24 pm

    Maybe Ryan Kalish from Boston or something like that…

  71. stevemotivateir on May 19th, 2012 3:25 pm

    Well is quietly getting his average back up

  72. mossi on May 19th, 2012 3:26 pm

    The indians might be convinced to part with Jose Lopez. I hear he’s mashing this year.

  73. stevemotivateir on May 19th, 2012 3:27 pm

    Is Kalish in AAA?

  74. stevemotivateir on May 19th, 2012 3:29 pm

    Starting to get real slick. I’d be surprised if this doesn’t get called soon.

  75. lalo on May 19th, 2012 3:31 pm

    He´s injured, (shoulder)

  76. mossi on May 19th, 2012 3:34 pm

    Assuming we win this game, if we win Sunday, it will have been a 4-6 road trip. Considering how poorly the M’s played until yesterday, that’s not so terrible of a road trip record, is it?

  77. stevemotivateir on May 19th, 2012 3:36 pm

    I know little about the Phillies farm, but Vargas would make a lot of sense for them. They’re short right now, and Hammels will probably walk after the season.

  78. stevemotivateir on May 19th, 2012 3:37 pm

    @mossi

    It’s still bad! They’re getting the wins against weak teams. But I suppose a win is a win.

  79. georgmi on May 19th, 2012 3:40 pm

    Wouldnt the heat of reentry be the exact opposite of what you’d want for “frost-brewed” Coors that needs an indicator to tell you when it’s cold enough to numb your taste buds enough to actually drink it?

  80. stevemotivateir on May 19th, 2012 3:41 pm

    It will never happen, but man, I’d love to see Hunter Pence in a Mariner uniform. I was hopeful the M’s would make a real attempt for him when he was still an Astro. Hate it when teams that are already good, land a great young player, in a position that we desperately need.

  81. lalo on May 19th, 2012 3:42 pm

    I know little about the Phillies farm too, but I think Domonic Brown would be great for us, they won´t gave him for Vargas but maybe League + Vargas is enough, hope so…

  82. mossi on May 19th, 2012 3:42 pm

    Yes it has been pretty dreadful, yet somehow they appear “dominant” vs. the Rockies. Should they lose Sunday and finish 3-7 it will be deservedly so.
    It seems like the last League meltdown may have shocked the team into waking up…?

  83. lalo on May 19th, 2012 3:43 pm

    Haha, Figgins is still with us…

  84. mossi on May 19th, 2012 3:46 pm

    We might be able to land a recently suspended minor league utility man for Figgins.

  85. stevemotivateir on May 19th, 2012 3:48 pm

    I had never heard of Kalish and only briefly of Brown. I have no idea what the upsides are of either player.

    I know it’s more likely to get prospects in return, but I’d really like to see a MLB experienced outfielder with considerable life left. Maybe free-agency’s the better route for that?

  86. GLS on May 19th, 2012 3:49 pm

    I don’t much see the point of trading Vargas or League if you can’t get something legitimate in return. IMO, the jury is still out on the Fister trade. We got quantity in that deal, and to be fair, all four of the players we got could turn into solid major leaguers (doubtful), but quality is what I want. I doubt we’d get a true major leaguer in return for either at the deadline, but if it’s prospects we’re going to get, I want at least one guy that is a solid B+ or above. I want some other team’s Nick Franklin, in other words.

  87. stevemotivateir on May 19th, 2012 3:51 pm

    I’d take an umbrella for Figgins (only if I was at that game. At safeco, garlic-fries would be sufficient).

  88. stevemotivateir on May 19th, 2012 3:51 pm

    Totally agree GLS

  89. stevemotivateir on May 19th, 2012 3:53 pm

    I wonder if pitchers have complained about the reflection that seems to come off that glossy-white beard of Giambi’s?

  90. mossi on May 19th, 2012 3:54 pm

    Figgins should take his game to the local comedy circuit. He’d be a decent extra on “What’s Happening” or “Diff’rent Strokes”.

  91. Westside guy on May 19th, 2012 3:55 pm

    Argh. On the one hand, Blowers and Sims will sometimes talk about great stuff. On the other hand, in the game summaries they invariably talk all about the people getting the RBIs without mentioning the guys who got on base ahead of those guys – the guys who turned those subsequent hits into RBIs.

  92. mossi on May 19th, 2012 3:55 pm

    Too bad we can’t trade Figgins to a contending ’70′s sit-com.

  93. msfanmike on May 19th, 2012 3:56 pm

    I would love to have Hunter pence, too – but why would the phillies consider trading him? They aren’t yet out of anything and they will allegedly be getting Howard an Utley back in the near future. If they fall out of it, their pitching will have a lot of value in trade and they could re-stock their system.

    Dominic Brown was a five tool cant miss prospect who has – to date – missed. Mayberry passed him.

  94. stevemotivateir on May 19th, 2012 3:56 pm

    That’s because base hits and walks aren’t important Westy. Have you learned nothing from recent arguments?!

  95. Westside guy on May 19th, 2012 3:57 pm

    Careful with the sarcasm, Steve – Dantheman may think he’s successfully converted you. ;-)

  96. Westside guy on May 19th, 2012 3:58 pm

    Note that I’m not saying Seager wasn’t extremely valuable today.

    The guy has turned me into a Seager believer.

  97. stevemotivateir on May 19th, 2012 4:00 pm

    Oh, I would be shocked if the Phillies traded Pence. Makes no sense for them to do that! That’s why I started my comment with “It will never happen”. Thanks for the scoop on Brown.

  98. mossi on May 19th, 2012 4:02 pm

    Mariners are coasting through the National League. Luckily this game didn’t involve OUR League.

  99. stevemotivateir on May 19th, 2012 4:04 pm

    I admit, that guy gives me a good laugh, Westy. His responses make no sense, overlook the obvious, or have nothing to do with anything in the questions I hit him with. He sees what he wants to see, believe what he wants. That’s fine, but if you’re going to blast a player on a site that’s partially dedicated to that player, you should expect to get blasted in return. Especially if you have nothing to support your BS ;)

  100. msfanmike on May 19th, 2012 4:05 pm

    Domonic Brown has been as frustrating to Philly fans as Saunders was to Mariner fans … Pre rubber bands. Maybe Brown will turn it around. The phillies have a lot of money and time in the kid, but he has big time contact issues and that is a difficult issue to resolve.

  101. stevemotivateir on May 19th, 2012 4:07 pm

    Contact issues are certainly alarming

  102. msfanmike on May 19th, 2012 4:09 pm

    I have missed any recent episodes, Steve … Is the war of the roses saga continuing between you and dantheman on some other thread?

  103. Westside guy on May 19th, 2012 4:12 pm

    I really have a hard time believing the “rubber band cure” was actually what solved Condor’s hitting woes – but who knows.

    I find it easier to believe that – when people are their own worst enemy, finding something that sufficiently distracts them can sometimes solve those self-inflicted problems.

    Whatever the reason… I’m just happy he’s not sucking anymore. :-D

  104. GLS on May 19th, 2012 4:12 pm

    Sims is kind of an idiot I think. I think his play-by-play is okay, not great, but okay. I don’t see any reason to listen to what he says beyond that though.

    Blowers is a little better. He sometimes makes interesting points. I think his emphasis on RBI’s reflects the way that a lot of players and former players think. It’s not that he doesn’t give credit to the guys that got on base, but in his mind the key thing was driving those guys in. That’s kind of a “duh” thing to say though. I mean, of course it’s important to drive guys in. But, again, I just think it’s reflective of the way players and old school baseball people think.

  105. stevemotivateir on May 19th, 2012 4:13 pm

    Most of the people on this site are a lot of fun. Witty humor, good baseball knowledge, and solid fans. I was reading posts on this site for a couple years before I signed on. Since then, only 3 people have really gotten under my skin. Valencia, primarily for posting false statistics, and his constant arguing for the sake of arguing. JoshJones, for the same, along with really bad grammar. Really had to bite my tongue to keep from ripping into him hard. He made it soooo easy! And now, Dan. But I find it entertaining:)

  106. stevemotivateir on May 19th, 2012 4:15 pm

    @Mike

    Yes, he’s still at it.

  107. msfanmike on May 19th, 2012 4:16 pm

    Our local talk sports radio station recently switched back to ESPN radio with the Seattle talk shows highlighting the action, and they were ALL OVER the Ichiro in the third hole “experiment”. When will he be moved? Where will he be moved? Time for him to be moved. Where will he play next year after he leaves Seattle? Bob, Groz, Callabro … They pounded the theme incessantly. When he gets three hits, do they suddenly adopt a new theme?

  108. GLS on May 19th, 2012 4:19 pm

    Congratulations to Kyle Seager. He got his 4th walk of the season today.

  109. stevemotivateir on May 19th, 2012 4:19 pm

    Yeah, I agree GLS. Sims drives me crazy with the play by play though. He overreacts real easily, which always seems to get me when I’m out of the room. I’ll come running in, just to see a deep fly-out! Don’t care for his stories that carry through entire at-bats in a close game either. Blowers is better. Little dry, but his knowledge of the game is much better. Wish it was Henderson and Rizz doing TV.

  110. stevemotivateir on May 19th, 2012 4:22 pm

    Those 710 guys seem to eat-up Baker’s crap, so that doesn’t surprise me. I can’t listen to Bob and Groz. I’ve tried a few times. They just flat-out annoy me.

  111. msfanmike on May 19th, 2012 4:23 pm

    Steve, you would have loved a guy named Nellie fox.

    Weary: I agree. Hitting is very “mental” If you think you will make an out, guess what ….. You will

    Saunders squared up some balls that did not fall, the past couple games, but he has lifted himself into a player who can actually have a MLB career, now. Lots of tools. Has probably done what Guti would have done to this point, offensively.

    He is an interesting case. Not quite as interesting as Carlos Gonzales, though. Two orgs previously gave up on him.

    Smoak is getting a long leash for a reason, but he has fewer overall tools to work with and the one he was supposed to have, isnt working too well right now

  112. stevemotivateir on May 19th, 2012 4:29 pm

    This is certainly the year to give players like Smoak a longer look. But after this season? Really hope he get’s things figured out. If Carp can hit respectably, I’d have no problem with him replacing Smoak, but I’m not sold on either player yet.

  113. msfanmike on May 19th, 2012 4:31 pm

    Ummm … “Westy” sometimes auto corrects to “Weary”.

    Sorry, buddy.

  114. msfanmike on May 19th, 2012 4:33 pm

    Late afternoon game on big FOX, today. Red Sox-Phillies

    Cool.

  115. Westside guy on May 19th, 2012 5:15 pm

    Hehehe Mike.

    But actually, I *can* wear on people at times. :-D

  116. Westside guy on May 19th, 2012 8:46 pm

    So I was curious… so far this year, the league average line has been .250/.318/.396 (so average OPS is .714).

    We actually have several guys whose OPS is higher than that – I wasn’t sure that’d be the case!

    On a related note, the Texas Ranger’s *team* OPS is .823 – higher than any of our players, excepting Jason Vargas. :-D

  117. gwangung on May 19th, 2012 9:39 pm

    So I was curious… so far this year, the league average line has been .250/.318/.396 (so average OPS is .714).

    That low???? Wow.

    We actually have several guys whose OPS is higher than that

    So not a disaster…but still not very good. Then again, we know some folks have some room to improve….

  118. Westside guy on May 19th, 2012 10:17 pm

    I made a slight misstatement – those numbers are MLB-wide, not league-wide.

    The AL-only line is .252 /.319/.406

  119. stevemotivateir on May 20th, 2012 12:05 pm

    Did anyone catch Jayson Stark on Baseball Tonight? Loved his comments on sabermetrics, suggesting that people who study sabermetrics, don’t actually watch the games, and that there’s more to baseball than just numbers on a computer screen. Went on to say there’s more value in film. Would have been funny if Buster Olney, or anyone else, had asked him where he thinks the sabermetric guys get their numbers from.

  120. stevemotivateir on May 20th, 2012 12:13 pm

    Nice to see Ackley start today’s game with a double! Funny hearing a Rockies fan scream “swing” just before he drove it to the wall :P

  121. Westside guy on May 20th, 2012 12:14 pm

    I didn’t see it, Steve – but I probably would have switched channels as soon as he started spouting off, in any case. :-D

    I like reading Jason Stark, and sometimes I like reading Buster Olney. I also tend to just gloss over anything they’ve got to say that falls under the realm of “analysis”. It’s not their strong suit. Listening to rumors, reporting on behind-the-scenes stuff, Stark’s oddball baseball lines… that’s where their value is, in my opinion anyway.

    It does seem like Olney has been looking at newer stats over the last couple of years, but I still don’t think he’s a particularly strong analyst.

    On a tangent… I remember the first time Peter Gammons mentioned OPS. Rob Neyer was still with ESPN, and said something like “Peter Gammons just mentioned OPS – I guess I should retire”.

  122. stevemotivateir on May 20th, 2012 12:17 pm

    Yeah, I agree. Stark actually mocked the use of WAR, which really made me laugh. He just showed how one-dimensional he is.

  123. stevemotivateir on May 20th, 2012 12:20 pm

    Nice!!

  124. msfanmike on May 20th, 2012 12:20 pm

    It doesn’t make sense for a reputable analyst to discount viable sources of information. Why would an analyst do such a thing in the “information age.” I would have liked to see the context for which Stark was speaking. Sorry to have missed it. Sounds very silly on his part. Maybe Brian Kenny will have an opportunity to take him to task someday. Kenny has a great ability to make a point in a positive, thoughtful way. Probably why he has reached the top of his profession

  125. stevemotivateir on May 20th, 2012 12:22 pm

    Funny that they got screwed on that “foul” called on Montero, then pull off the delayed steal.

  126. msfanmike on May 20th, 2012 12:22 pm

    Small ball … Sweet!

    Shitty AB by Ichiro earlier. He’s got to get bat on ball. Teammates picked him up

  127. msfanmike on May 20th, 2012 12:25 pm

    Good job by Smoak. He’s got his game (thread) mojo heading In the right direction.

  128. djw on May 20th, 2012 12:27 pm

    I think it’s time for a temporary moratorium on demanding Smoak be sent to Tacoma.

  129. stevemotivateir on May 20th, 2012 12:28 pm

    Stark was arguing that there’s more value from watching film, giving an example of knowing where to play a hitter, based on where he tends to hit the ball. But he fails to realize that players and managers have been taking notes on things like that for DECADES, even before there was film, and that numbers from sabermetrics only add to the database/tool box.

  130. msfanmike on May 20th, 2012 12:28 pm

    Over under (based on PDT) for today’s game thread?

    Does 12:43 sound about right?

  131. stevemotivateir on May 20th, 2012 12:31 pm

    It’s almost as if he’s feeling threatened by sabermetrics, like somehow, he wouldn’t have a job, if it were used more. His work could actually benefit from it, though.

  132. msfanmike on May 20th, 2012 12:32 pm

    Stark is a dick, then. All the sources of information are valuable and are used. If he were to say that you can’t use saber metrics to scout high scho prospects, I would agree with him, and college players too – to an extent, but to completely piddle on the use of saber metrics is jack assinine on his part Thus: DICK!

    All of info is useful

  133. Westside guy on May 20th, 2012 12:32 pm

    I’m a few minutes behind on the game (I’ll be caught up presently) – but with some of what the Mariners got away with, I was wondering if Olivo had started his rehab stint with the Rockies.

    /rimshot

  134. stevemotivateir on May 20th, 2012 12:33 pm

    Crap. Hopefully Beavan wont hang anything else.

  135. Westside guy on May 20th, 2012 12:34 pm

    I’ll take 12:52, Mike.

  136. stevemotivateir on May 20th, 2012 12:35 pm

    Did the Nationals find a replacement for Ramos?

  137. msfanmike on May 20th, 2012 12:35 pm

    I think we will be needing a touchdown and two point conversion to win, today. I hope the mariners brought their hitting shoes today.

    Beavan needs to get the ball down. DOWN!

  138. Westside guy on May 20th, 2012 12:36 pm

    (To the site admins… we’re just ribbing you; you guys do a good job and we appreciate the work – seriously)

  139. stevemotivateir on May 20th, 2012 12:37 pm

    This could be a valuable game for Beavan if he can show good control/location. I’m thinking trade-value, of course.

  140. Westside guy on May 20th, 2012 12:38 pm

    Beavan’s problem is he’s young and obviously doesn’t know how to finish innings.

    /Stark … I mean /snark

  141. stevemotivateir on May 20th, 2012 12:39 pm

    Funny seeing Beavan smile at the plate!

  142. msfanmike on May 20th, 2012 12:40 pm

    And we appreciate it more when there is a game thread on gameday, so thanks again – in advance!

  143. jordan on May 20th, 2012 12:41 pm

    The Rockies catcher is looking like Rob Johnson back there.

  144. Westside guy on May 20th, 2012 12:42 pm

    Man, the ball is really carrying today. I wonder if the humidor is broken.

  145. stevemotivateir on May 20th, 2012 12:42 pm

    Hey, at least they don’t close the threads (often), so we do have a place to post, and follow the current game!

  146. stevemotivateir on May 20th, 2012 12:44 pm

    Saunders hit what looked like a routine fly-out, but it kept carrying, and went all the way to the warning track, in the first. We may very well see more long-balls today.

  147. Westside guy on May 20th, 2012 12:45 pm

    It’s interesting that we’ve done well in Colorado, given that (most of) our pitchers aren’t generally the kind of guys you expect to do well in a hitters park.

  148. stevemotivateir on May 20th, 2012 12:45 pm

    Yeah, but don’t jinx Beavan!

  149. msfanmike on May 20th, 2012 12:46 pm

    Ding ding ding … The “over” wins. Free forsythia to Westy!

  150. Westside guy on May 20th, 2012 12:47 pm

    Just what you need in a hitters park – an umpire calling a tight strike zone.

  151. stevemotivateir on May 20th, 2012 12:48 pm

    That’s assuming one does pop-up! Otherwise, neither wins.

  152. stevemotivateir on May 20th, 2012 12:48 pm

    Yeah, no kidding Westy. Especially for a fly-ball pitcher like Beavan.

  153. Westside guy on May 20th, 2012 12:48 pm

    hehe Mike. Someone else could jump in and steal the win.

  154. Westside guy on May 20th, 2012 12:50 pm

    I know lots of people hate the DH – but I’m not crazy about watching pitchers hit.

  155. Westside guy on May 20th, 2012 12:52 pm

    I think I own that exact model of binocular.

  156. msfanmike on May 20th, 2012 12:53 pm

    Too late for anyone else to win, Westy. You are the only one to place a bet and you took the “over”.

  157. Westside guy on May 20th, 2012 12:55 pm

    Ichiro!

  158. stevemotivateir on May 20th, 2012 12:57 pm

    Monty?!!

  159. Westside guy on May 20th, 2012 12:57 pm

    Jesus!!

  160. msfanmike on May 20th, 2012 12:57 pm

    With next years reality of having inter league games, daily – I think the ammo will be there for one, universal rule and since the players association will never agree to get rid of the DH … It could become commonplace in both leagues someday.

    I prefer to think of it being 9 hitters with a designated pitcher. I have no idea why, though. I think I just made it up. Plus, I am a bit distracted having to figure out how to mail a forsythia.

    Woohoo – Montero!

  161. Breadbaker on May 20th, 2012 12:58 pm

    Can we officially say this team is more suited to a higher elevation than Safeco?

  162. Westside guy on May 20th, 2012 12:58 pm

    HAHAHAHA! SMOAK!!

  163. stevemotivateir on May 20th, 2012 12:58 pm

    Wow! And to see this at Coors field, where nobody hits. hehe.

  164. msfanmike on May 20th, 2012 12:59 pm

    Woohoo – Smoak!

    Hangers at 90mph and elevation. Whatever … We will take it.

  165. stevemotivateir on May 20th, 2012 12:59 pm

    I wonder when the Mariners had back to back HR’s last?

  166. Westside guy on May 20th, 2012 1:00 pm

    How about – over/under on the total runs scored today.

    I’ll pick 13.

  167. stevemotivateir on May 20th, 2012 1:00 pm

    That shot by Carp was almost identical to Saunders shot in the first.

  168. stevemotivateir on May 20th, 2012 1:01 pm

    @Breadbaker

    That’s the answer! They don’t need to bring in the fences at Safeco, they need to raise the stadium!

  169. msfanmike on May 20th, 2012 1:02 pm

    The alphabetical lineup and/or no game thread post continues to work it’s magic.

    Plus, the Rockies blow!

  170. Westside guy on May 20th, 2012 1:06 pm

    Yeah, Steve – Safeco needs to be up on a giant butte. It should look like that house whose owner refused to sell when they were removing Denny Hill at the end of the last century.

  171. stevemotivateir on May 20th, 2012 1:08 pm

    I’d really like to see Gonzales in a Mariner uniform. I joked yesterday, about giving them Beavan and League for him. Really, I’d probably give them Vargas, League, and a prospect like Truinfel. But I wouldn’t pull the trigger on that deal if I were them :P

  172. Ichirolling51 on May 20th, 2012 1:15 pm

    Can we possibly move to Colorado? Would that be out of the question? Or at the very least move the Rockies to the AL West instead of the Astros.

  173. stevemotivateir on May 20th, 2012 1:15 pm

    I’ll take the under on 13 runs, Westy. So maybe Saunders will blast one now?

  174. Westside guy on May 20th, 2012 1:16 pm

    Nope.

  175. msfanmike on May 20th, 2012 1:17 pm

    Especially since Triunfel would be blocked by Tulo for the next decade.

    It would take one of Cerberus plus plus plus to get Gonzales. In other words, we won’t be getting Gonzales. Nor would he be anywhere near as effective in Safeco.

    It’s always good to dream, though. It will keep you young.

  176. stevemotivateir on May 20th, 2012 1:18 pm

    I meant in his next at-bat

  177. Westside guy on May 20th, 2012 1:21 pm

    Hehe Steve.

    Todd Helton is a good hitter, for sure – but he’s certainly been helped by playing half of his games in Coors Field over the course of his career.

  178. stevemotivateir on May 20th, 2012 1:21 pm

    Of all the young, solid outfielders in baseball, I honestly don’t see any of them getting dealt to the Mariners. Really seems that they have either A) Already been dealt, or B) Are needed on their current teams, because there’s nobody to replace them.

  179. Westside guy on May 20th, 2012 1:23 pm

    Helton’s Career OPS:

    Home 1.021
    Away .849

    Darn, I was hoping to see Edgar’s career splits, but Fangraphs only has his last three years available.

  180. Westside guy on May 20th, 2012 1:26 pm

    They’re certainly picking on our left fielder right now.

  181. Westside guy on May 20th, 2012 1:28 pm

    Ha! Thank you baseball-reference.com

    Edgar Martinez career OPS:

    Home: .940
    Away: .921

  182. stevemotivateir on May 20th, 2012 1:28 pm

    What left fielder? kidding

  183. Westside guy on May 20th, 2012 1:29 pm

    Maybe it was just a fan that wandered out onto the field, Steve.

  184. stevemotivateir on May 20th, 2012 1:30 pm

    I’m real curious if Jack is trying to resign Ichiro.

  185. Westside guy on May 20th, 2012 1:31 pm

    MAN, Edgar Martinez was a stud.

    Edgar’s OPS in 16 games against Colorado: 1.206

    You gotta figure some percentage of those games were in Safeco, too.

    Haha, just go further down the page: In Coors: 1.262

  186. stevemotivateir on May 20th, 2012 1:36 pm

    I really, REALLY, loved the team with Edgar and Olerud. Two of the most underrated hitters in baseball.

  187. Westside guy on May 20th, 2012 1:37 pm

    I hope he’s trying to resign Ichiro, and I hope Ichiro is open to a reasonable salary.

    It’s not as if we’ve got a surfeit of good outfielders.

    I’d like to see Ichiro end his career on a *good* Mariners team.

  188. msfanmike on May 20th, 2012 1:39 pm

    Resign, or re-sign?

    One little hyphen makes a world of difference!

  189. msfanmike on May 20th, 2012 1:41 pm

    Griffey resigned. Ichiro will re-sign … IMO

  190. stevemotivateir on May 20th, 2012 1:41 pm

    Yeah, that’s just it…. who could you replace him with? And who’s available on the FA market? At this point, I would think of Guti being healthy as a bonus, rather than a certainty. So having a solid veteran like Ichiro, becomes even more necessary. I don’t want to see an outfield with Carp and Wells (yet) and I certainly don’t wanna see Peguero or Robinson on the field or the bench.

  191. stevemotivateir on May 20th, 2012 1:42 pm

    haha, uh, yeah… re-sign. Thanks for the correction.

  192. Westside guy on May 20th, 2012 1:44 pm

    Mike caught our lazy typing!

  193. msfanmike on May 20th, 2012 1:45 pm

    Westy, since I am lazy, could you look up Carlos Gonzales’ OPS splits, please and relay them. I am outside in yard work I-phone game watching mode.

  194. Westside guy on May 20th, 2012 1:46 pm

    I was resigned to Griffey’s second re-sign.

  195. stevemotivateir on May 20th, 2012 1:46 pm

    I-phone or Iphone?

  196. stevemotivateir on May 20th, 2012 1:46 pm

    or iphone. hehe

  197. msfanmike on May 20th, 2012 1:49 pm

    “I” have no idea.

  198. Westside guy on May 20th, 2012 1:49 pm

    Mike, here ya go:

    Home .993
    Away .744

    And that includes his first season at Oakland.

  199. Westside guy on May 20th, 2012 1:50 pm

    Man, I think I could waste a lot of hours on baseball-reference.com

  200. stevemotivateir on May 20th, 2012 1:52 pm

    I’ve spent a little time there too ;) Easy to get lost in all the information.

  201. stevemotivateir on May 20th, 2012 1:52 pm

    Carp!!

  202. msfanmike on May 20th, 2012 1:52 pm

    Thanks Westy. Cargo is very ordinary away from Coors.

    Carp!!!.

  203. stevemotivateir on May 20th, 2012 1:53 pm

    He got all of that one!

  204. Westside guy on May 20th, 2012 1:53 pm

    CARP!!

    BTW Olerud’s career line at Safeco: .268/.371/.438

    I love how BR includes the nicknames for all the players – and Olerud didn’t have one.

  205. Westside guy on May 20th, 2012 1:55 pm

    When Beavan makes good contact, it sort of cheapens all the other big hits at Coors. ;-)

  206. Westside guy on May 20th, 2012 1:55 pm

    Steve, I know what you mean re: Baseball Reference.

    Of course, their terrible site design makes it even easier to get lost. :-D

  207. stevemotivateir on May 20th, 2012 1:57 pm

    I remember people calling him “Ole” (pronounced ah-lee)

  208. stevemotivateir on May 20th, 2012 1:59 pm

    I thought his career BA would have been higher than that (at Safeco). OBP isn’t bad. I’d take his line in a heartbeat over Smoak’s, though!

  209. Westside guy on May 20th, 2012 1:59 pm

    Mike, that’s one advantage to living east of the mountains – we’re getting rained on over here.

  210. stevemotivateir on May 20th, 2012 2:01 pm

    I’m getting tired of Adam Jones highlights. Salt in the wound :/ He’s off to a great start this year.

  211. msfanmike on May 20th, 2012 2:03 pm

    We have grey skies and a tiny sprinkle of rain in preparation for the apocalypse eclipse later this evening. Seven months early according to the Mayan calendar.

  212. Edgar4Hall on May 20th, 2012 2:06 pm

    I find it hilarious that Carp has 7 hits and 6 of them are for extra bases. And while his BA is low his BABIP must be atrocious so hopefully he will start putting balls where they ain’t while continuing to hit for good power.

    And Yes, I am a Carp apologist

  213. Westside guy on May 20th, 2012 2:07 pm

    Edgar4Hall,

    I’m not a huge Carp fan but – you’re right. His BABIP has been hovering in the low .100-ish range.

    I’ve been wondering if he’s still not healthy, frankly.

  214. stevemotivateir on May 20th, 2012 2:08 pm

    Regarding Gonzales, that first year in Oakland, was his only less-than-stellar one. I doubt that year effects his career OPS much. I didn’t realize the numbers were that different on the road. Shouldn’t have been a huge surprise, given that home is Coors Field. I still like him though!

    I wonder what the average difference in OPS is on every player’s splits collectively? Wanna find that one Westy?! Or maybe just with starters? That should make it easier :P I gotta run. Hope the lead holds-up.

  215. Westside guy on May 20th, 2012 2:09 pm

    Mike, I think we’re going to have to call it a draw. ;-)

  216. Westside guy on May 20th, 2012 2:15 pm

    Steve,

    I just looked up two teams 2012 OPS

    Home Away
    Seattle .607 .682
    Texas .784 .851

    The Texas numbers suprise me. The Mariners numbers depress me.

  217. msfanmike on May 20th, 2012 2:18 pm

    What is the forecast for Wednesday’s game And, is there any message you would like for me to pass along to Wedge? He will be within earshot.

  218. Westside guy on May 20th, 2012 2:22 pm

    Mike – “Showers likely”. Although the weather is supposed to start improving the second half of the week, so maybe you guys will get lucky.

    Wedge… heheheheheeh

  219. Westside guy on May 20th, 2012 2:24 pm

    To answer Steve’s question, more or less…

    I eyeballed what FanGraphs listed, league-wide, for the past ten years. OPS has dropped dramatically, especially over the past 2-3 seasons.

    Home OPS: was .780ish, now .750ish
    Away OPS: was .730ish, now .700ish

    So the splits aren’t nearly as dramatic as what you see at Coors. But it’s not surprising there’s some split given that teams probably tend to build for their home parks.

  220. msfanmike on May 20th, 2012 2:26 pm

    By the third game of the Texas massacre series, I will probably come up with a few things to relay – all on my own. I will dress appropriately for the Seattle weather. Five layers of easy to remove clothing, should just about do it. I think I will be getting the millwood game. Woot?

  221. Westside guy on May 20th, 2012 2:39 pm

    We seem to have switched to Late Spring mode over here – so at least it’s not cold, most of the time.

    Actually I can’t complain. We had several nice weekends in a row, and yesterday was nice (albeit on the cool side, in the mid 60s).

  222. Westside guy on May 20th, 2012 2:48 pm

    Ah, Wells making an appearance.

  223. Westside guy on May 20th, 2012 2:51 pm

    HAHAHAAH! Liddi triple!

  224. msfanmike on May 20th, 2012 2:52 pm

    Big Dude moves pretty well.

  225. Westside guy on May 20th, 2012 2:52 pm

    That’ll teach that outfielder not to dog it. Heads up play by Liddi, noticing the guy was taking it easy.

  226. msfanmike on May 20th, 2012 2:54 pm

    Hey, 70′s socks!

  227. Westside guy on May 20th, 2012 3:00 pm

    Good thing they spotted us 4 runs…

  228. Westside guy on May 20th, 2012 3:04 pm

    That wasn’t a bad pitch, but Giambi managed to hit it.

  229. pgreyy on May 20th, 2012 3:05 pm

    We should have sold high on League.

  230. Westside guy on May 20th, 2012 3:05 pm

    That’s the problem with the “always establish the fastball first” philosophy…

  231. msfanmike on May 20th, 2012 3:06 pm

    Hey League … Eat a big bag of crap.

  232. Westside guy on May 20th, 2012 3:10 pm

    Thank goodness.

  233. Westside guy on May 20th, 2012 3:12 pm

    Hey Mike – we indeed will have to call it a draw. :-D

  234. msfanmike on May 20th, 2012 3:26 pm

    Yes, a draw it is. Good sweep! How often might we be able to say that.

  235. Paul B on May 20th, 2012 3:28 pm

    League makes things way too interesting.

  236. stevemotivateir on May 20th, 2012 4:41 pm

    I didn’t actually expect you to look that up Westy, but thanks! Why didn’t I think to check Fangraphs?! I missed the end of the game, but I’m glad I didn’t have to sweat League’s performance!

  237. Westside guy on May 20th, 2012 4:48 pm

    Yeah, “sweat” was the right word. It dredeged up memories of watching Jose Mesa close for the M’s (back before he completely imploded).

  238. Westside guy on May 20th, 2012 4:51 pm

    BTW how about those Angels? They’re still slumming around in the AL West basement with all the other non-Arlington-based teams…

  239. stevemotivateir on May 20th, 2012 5:08 pm

    Funny thing about Mesa, is that he had a couple of decent seasons with the Phillies, after leaving Seattle. But if you’re comparing League to him, I’m REALLY glad I missed the end!

  240. Westside guy on May 20th, 2012 9:39 pm

    Well it was a similar feeling from what I remember with Mesa. I started out thinking “I think he’ll probably get it done, no problem” and then got to “Okay, he gave up a run but should still be okay” and finally hit “how close is this going to get before he makes the final out?”

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