Game 53, Mariners at Rangers

marc w · May 30, 2012 at 3:45 pm · Filed Under Mariners 

Blake Beavan vs. Derek Holland, 5:05pm

Blake Beavan’s always looking over his shoulder at one of the horde of pitching prospects gunning for his spot in the rotation. Derek Holland’s spending his lucrative extension on the finest moustache products money can buy and relishing his status as a “proven winner” in October after his WS Game 4 gem. Blake Beavan’s given up 4.31 runs per 9 innings in his brief career, while Holland’s given up 5.08. Ok, Ok, we’ll toss out Holland’s terrible first season (which did include a brilliant start against the Mariners) – now his RA/9 stands at 4.51. Is Holland overrated? Is Beavan underrated?

Er, no, not really. I think I’ve been more supportive of Beavan than most, but this goes beyond his HR/FB ratio. As you probably know, Fangraphs uses FIP as the basis for pitching WAR. Beavan’s HR problems thus tarnish his FIP, as his career ERA/RA is around 0.3 lower than his career FIP. Based on his FIP, Beavan’s essentially right on replacement level.

But what about that nice RA? Certainly baseball-reference’s non-FIP based WAR can appreciate the subtle charms of Blake Beavan. The problem is that bbref had to spoil the fun and adjust the league RA by opponent and by park. The result of these adjustments is what the average pitcher in these parks against these teams would give up. For Beavan, that RA is 3.88. That takes some of the luster off of his 4.38. In fact, it puts him at 0.1 WAR. Two very different methodologies, two very similar answers.

Again, I like Beavan but he’s got to figure out a way to keep the ball in the ballpark. He’s given up 8 HRs this season in 9 starts, or at least one in every game except his injury-shortened start against Detroit…and his season opener against the Rangers in Arlington. Rooting for Beavan is, in some sense, rooting against DIPS theory. Why not add rooting against the natural outgrowth of being a fly ball pitcher in Arlington?

Derek Holland, meanwhile, looks much better both by FIP/fWAR and rWAR/baseball-reference. The average pitcher facing Holland’s opponents this year would give up 4.85 R/9, so his 0.6 WAR isn’t too bad. It’s not as good as his 1.2 fWAR, driven by a 3.68 FIP. The low FIP perhaps isn’t a huge surprise given Holland’s above average K rate. But one thing is, especially given his FB/Slider/Curve repertoire.

Throughout his career, Holland’s struck out more righties than lefties. In his breakout season last year, he had a K% of under 15% against lefties but over 20% against righties. He’s a three-true-outcome guy against righties, with lots of Ks, more walks and some HRs, but he’s more of a pitch-to-contact guy against lefties, with a huge platoon split in his ground ball rate as well as Ks. I don’t know that I’ve seen this before. It’s hard to see what’s going on via pitch fx, as the system’s had some problems differentiating his fastballs as well as his curve and slider.

Using BrooksBaseball.net’s pitch IDs, it looks like he uses his fastball, curve and change against righties, and uses his sinker and slider against lefties. The magnitude of these shifts is very small though – it’s not like he never throws a curve to lefties, and the FB picture is murky due to ID issues. What I can say is that Holland’s fastball has an absurd amount of run to it, and I wonder if that might be part of the explanation.

Today’s line-up is noteworthy in that Ichiro’s not in it. Replacing him in RF is Chone Figgins, and….wait! Come back!

1: Ackley (2B)
2: Figgins (RF)
3: Seager (3B)
4: Montero (DH)
5: Smoak (1B)
6: Liddi (LF)
7: Olivo (C)
8: Saunders (CF)
9: Ryan (SS)
SP: Beavan

Comments

172 Responses to “Game 53, Mariners at Rangers”

  1. marc w on May 30th, 2012 3:57 pm

    BREAKING NEWS: Derek Holland, disappointed with high end moustache liniments and facial care styling waxes, has *shaved his moustache* and redirected those expenditures to hookers and blow.

  2. Westside guy on May 30th, 2012 4:09 pm

    On the “let’s gripe about recent trades” front – Doug Fister is back on the DL for his second stint in 2012.

    Maybe he just felt bad about the Wells demotion.

  3. globalalpha on May 30th, 2012 4:33 pm

    You lost me at Figgi…

  4. IdahoInvader on May 30th, 2012 4:34 pm

    I was just thinking its hard to get excited about any changes when the new idea is Figgins.

    I mean seriously? How stupid. But then again, it was stupid to bother keeping him and not giving Wells more playing time anyways.

    From the franchise that thinks Olivo is good.

  5. msfanmike on May 30th, 2012 4:38 pm

    Best outfield ever! Bar none.

  6. stevemotivateir on May 30th, 2012 4:43 pm

    WTF Marc?! How do you know it isn’t meth, rather than blow?

    Nice to see our outfield corners manned with Liddi and Figgins. Does Wedge know that he has Beavan pitching? Saunders is going to get his exercise tonight.

  7. spankystout on May 30th, 2012 4:46 pm

    F.E.W.–thanks Milton Bradley!

  8. marc w on May 30th, 2012 4:49 pm

    You could be right, steve. Everyone’s on the lookout for blow in that locker room after Washington’s…indiscretion. Might be time to diversify.

  9. 9inningknowitall on May 30th, 2012 4:50 pm

    I’m just surprised with this lineup Carp isn’t playing CF so that the entire outfield is an adventure on every fly ball. I’d so rather see Ackley play a game in the OF with Seager at 2nd and Liddi at 3rd then this.

  10. seattlesonsofbaseball on May 30th, 2012 4:50 pm

    “…Chone Figgins, and… wait! Come back!”

    Freaking hilarious marc w. Unfortunately, that will probably be the only funny thing about this game. I love how Wedge doesn’t seem interested in giving Carp consistent AB’s and even when Jaso does well in one game, Wedge doesn’t seem to lose sleep benching him the next. Freaking amazing!!! Wedge, you can call me a “yahoo” all day long because I’m calling you out! What the hell are you smoking!?!?!?!?!

  11. DarkKnight1680 on May 30th, 2012 5:08 pm

    Figgins+Olivo=Fire Eric Wedge.

  12. Ralph_Malph on May 30th, 2012 5:13 pm

    This is not the worst Mariner outfield ever. I remember in 1981 being at a game when the outfield was Bruce Bochte, Tom Paciorek, and Jeff Burroughs.

  13. msfanmike on May 30th, 2012 5:18 pm

    Well at least wimpy and Bochte could hit … And Burroughs pre mariners did have some good years – but yeah, that defensive outfield would give this defensive outfield a run for its money. You dug pretty far back into the brain archive to come up with that recollection. It must have left an indelible mark on you. I was in high school at that time.

  14. Des71 on May 30th, 2012 5:20 pm

    I’m not a fan of Eric Wedge, but Figgins and Olivo were signed by Jack Z. Would Wells be playing if Figgins wasn’t part of the team? Having Montero/Jaso platooning behind the plate every night, would be an improvement as we have recently seen. I have confidence in our General Manager, but these two signings are obviously hindering the franchise.

  15. msfanmike on May 30th, 2012 5:25 pm

    I feel a big fat zero coming, here. I am probably just hyper conditioned to it though, at this point in my fandom experience.

  16. msfanmike on May 30th, 2012 5:26 pm

    Never mind

  17. globalalpha on May 30th, 2012 5:31 pm

    Nice job Miguel. And Ryan! Picking up right where we left off yesterday?

  18. WTF_Ms on May 30th, 2012 5:34 pm

    Again….my username goes both ways! ACK!!!

  19. globalalpha on May 30th, 2012 5:35 pm

    ACK Attack!

  20. WTF_Ms on May 30th, 2012 5:37 pm

    Wow…and Figgy steals a base and scores from second…

  21. djw on May 30th, 2012 5:39 pm

    I enjoyed how Ackley’s home run elicited no response from the Texas dugout, but Figgins gets a single and Maddox runs out there like his hair’s on fire…

  22. WTF_Ms on May 30th, 2012 5:39 pm

    And now Montero!

  23. kuptain on May 30th, 2012 5:39 pm

    OMG… wow. I’m surprised that Texas only now has someone warming up in the bullpen.

  24. globalalpha on May 30th, 2012 5:40 pm

    Who are these guys?

  25. msfanmike on May 30th, 2012 5:40 pm

    Maybe this is our best “outfield” ever

  26. terryoftacoma on May 30th, 2012 5:41 pm

    Holland who? How come we play Texas so well and can’t hit anything against the Angels?

  27. msfanmike on May 30th, 2012 5:43 pm

    Liddi did not want to make two outs in the same inning. Glad he didn’t.

  28. Ichirolling51 on May 30th, 2012 5:47 pm

    Ok, who is this team and what the hell have they done with my Mariners?

  29. terryoftacoma on May 30th, 2012 5:47 pm

    They’re playing for a day off?

  30. Ralph_Malph on May 30th, 2012 5:48 pm

    When was the M’s last 8 run inning?

  31. Ichirolling51 on May 30th, 2012 5:49 pm

    My guess would be the Griffey, A-Fraud days…

  32. terryoftacoma on May 30th, 2012 5:50 pm

    Next the WS who have won 8 straight. Followed by the Angel’s who have also won 8 straight. This could be interesting.

  33. Ichirolling51 on May 30th, 2012 5:58 pm

    Not to get too far ahead of my self but when was the last time the M’s scored 10 runs in back to back games?

  34. terryoftacoma on May 30th, 2012 6:02 pm

    airmail!!

  35. Ichirolling51 on May 30th, 2012 6:02 pm

    LMAO, why can’t we have more games like this?

  36. Ichirolling51 on May 30th, 2012 6:04 pm

    Wow the Rangers are looking like the Bad News Bears out there. And I’m loving every second of it.

  37. texasmarinerfan on May 30th, 2012 6:05 pm

    I am at the game, and it is amazing! I love it when 30,000+ Rangers fans are silenced by us 15 Mariners fans in attendance.

  38. terryoftacoma on May 30th, 2012 6:07 pm

    Who is this man in Figgins uniform?

  39. Breadbaker on May 30th, 2012 6:07 pm

    Personally, I’m not counting my chickens before they hatch. Probably because I just read the “Bobby Ayala” chronicles in “Shipwrecked.” We certainly have relievers capable of blowing an eight-run lead against this Texas team in the wink of an eye.

    I don’t need to be negative, just that I’ve been an M’s fan since 1979.

  40. terryoftacoma on May 30th, 2012 6:09 pm

    Win or lose I love watching this.

  41. texasmarinerfan on May 30th, 2012 6:09 pm

    Wasn’t there a game back in 2001 were the Mariners had a 10 run lead and blew?

  42. terryoftacoma on May 30th, 2012 6:10 pm

    cleveland. grrr

  43. momo2119 on May 30th, 2012 6:12 pm

    Montero triple!?!?!? You know what that means

  44. terryoftacoma on May 30th, 2012 6:13 pm

    Hell froze over? haha

  45. lalo on May 30th, 2012 6:14 pm

    WOW!!! I love this M´s!

  46. terryoftacoma on May 30th, 2012 6:14 pm

    FTH?!! Smoak!!

  47. henryv on May 30th, 2012 6:14 pm

    Okay, what is going on?

  48. terryoftacoma on May 30th, 2012 6:15 pm

    Olivo.. Bunt single? hahaha

  49. kenshabby on May 30th, 2012 6:15 pm

    Any second I expect to hear that this is just a warm-up game preceding the real one.

  50. lalo on May 30th, 2012 6:15 pm

    HAHAHAHA, infield hit by Olivo!

  51. momo2119 on May 30th, 2012 6:15 pm

    bloop single then swinging bunt single? I’ve never been this satisfied

  52. texasmarinerfan on May 30th, 2012 6:15 pm

    This is why I love baseball!

  53. kenshabby on May 30th, 2012 6:17 pm

    Or that I’ve slipped into an alternate Evil Universe. Say, aren’t all the M’s wearing evil mustache/goatees?

  54. WTF_Ms on May 30th, 2012 6:19 pm

    They really need to save some runs for the Angels.

  55. 9inningknowitall on May 30th, 2012 6:22 pm

    Can we officially say that Ichiro should sit every game and Figgins start in RF. Okay even typing that made me laugh and a little depressed at the same time.

  56. terryoftacoma on May 30th, 2012 6:23 pm

    16 runs. We have entered the twilight zone and I’m loving it.

  57. r-gordon-7 on May 30th, 2012 6:24 pm

    This is starting to remind me of a game I remember from the mid 1960′s when I was a kid growing up in NYC as a Mets fan. The Mets scored 18 runs and the next morning the sports headline on the back page of the NY Daily News read, “Mets Score 18 – But Did They Win?”

  58. henryv on May 30th, 2012 6:30 pm

    16-0. Willing to give the M’s a solid 50/50 chance of winning, assuming it doesn’t go into extras.

  59. Ichirolling51 on May 30th, 2012 6:37 pm

    Ok guys lets save some runs for later in the year, we don’t want to waste any.

  60. henryv on May 30th, 2012 6:42 pm

    I think any M’s that gets struck out looking with a 16-0 lead should probably be roundly mocked.

  61. Edgar4Hall on May 30th, 2012 6:43 pm

    WTF I just turn to ESPN (I don’t have FSN right now) and see that we have scored 16 runs in THREE innings???? Whats going on? I’m scared

  62. terryoftacoma on May 30th, 2012 6:45 pm

    17 edgar.haha

  63. TaeBoJackson on May 30th, 2012 6:45 pm

    17-0, Seahawks. Uh, M’s.

  64. stevemotivateir on May 30th, 2012 6:49 pm

    I just came in. Is that right? 17 F’n runs?!

  65. terryoftacoma on May 30th, 2012 6:52 pm

    You missed a bit of scoring Steve.

  66. WTF_Ms on May 30th, 2012 6:53 pm

    No kidding….a bit of scoring!

  67. Edgar4Hall on May 30th, 2012 6:53 pm

    Is it bad that I want more? We never get this!

  68. stevemotivateir on May 30th, 2012 6:53 pm

    Geez… and I was setting fence posts that didn’t HAVE to be done tonight. Thought I might miss an inning or two, but four… and 17 RUNS?!!! Damn! Marc might have right about the blow!

  69. Breadbaker on May 30th, 2012 6:54 pm

    Can we start decking out Safeco to look like Coors or the Ballpark at Arlington and just never tell the team they’ve come home?

  70. texasmarinerfan on May 30th, 2012 6:54 pm

    Its really funny, because MLB.com is advertising Montero trying to get a triple to hit for the cycle when he has never hit a triple in his career.

  71. justdan73 on May 30th, 2012 6:55 pm

    I’m thinking this would be a perfect game for Ichiro take make his MLB pitching debut out of the ‘pen. Maybe, just maybe, he can eat an inning or two and actually help the team out for once this year by saving the bulpen.

  72. stevemotivateir on May 30th, 2012 6:55 pm

    I wanna see every player (starter) with an RBI.

  73. dogkahuna on May 30th, 2012 6:56 pm

    Usually I have to wait for football season for my absolute favorite schadenfreude–Texans weeping in the stands when their team loses.

  74. Edgar4Hall on May 30th, 2012 6:59 pm

    So ESPN posted for the game preview that runs would be at a premium for this game. HAHAHAHAHA

  75. Edgar4Hall on May 30th, 2012 7:01 pm

    Justdan I agree! ICHIRO IN AT PITCHER! Start it trending on Twitter and maybe Wedge will cave! :)

  76. stevemotivateir on May 30th, 2012 7:01 pm

    @justdan73

    Are you dantheman with a different user name? There’s plenty of players more worthy of criticism than Ichiro. Having said that, I’d get a kick out of seeing him pitch.

  77. justinh on May 30th, 2012 7:03 pm

    See what happens when Ichiro gets a day off….

  78. WTF_Ms on May 30th, 2012 7:03 pm

    In other news, Jamie Moyer was DFAd today. Do we need veteran grittiness in the pen? Discuss.. :)

  79. TaeBoJackson on May 30th, 2012 7:04 pm

    From Jayson Stark, last time M’s scored more than 16 runs…

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/play-index/share.cgi?id=HcWky

  80. justinh on May 30th, 2012 7:04 pm

    Haven’t seen many “Fire Wedge” comments in the past 90 minutes. Huh…

  81. texasmarinerfan on May 30th, 2012 7:05 pm

    #LetIchiroPitch

  82. henryv on May 30th, 2012 7:06 pm

    Beaven has thrown 52 pitches through 5 innings.

  83. stevemotivateir on May 30th, 2012 7:06 pm

    Holy crap, Figgins is the only one without an RBI? And every player has been on base at least twice. I’m gonna have to watch the replay!

  84. henryv on May 30th, 2012 7:06 pm

    Fire Wedge.

  85. justinh on May 30th, 2012 7:06 pm

    The M’s should bring Moyer back and let him throw one pitch and then announce he is retiring and walk off the mound. I remember when John Kruk hit a single, asked for the ball, then asked for a pitch runner and said he retired.

  86. justinh on May 30th, 2012 7:08 pm

    henryv on May 30th, 2012 7:06 pm

    Fire Wedge.

    Lol

  87. stevemotivateir on May 30th, 2012 7:09 pm

    Can’t throw one pitch, unless it’s a complete at-bat (ground-out, fly-out, or a hit).

  88. henryv on May 30th, 2012 7:09 pm

    I would have no problem with Montero being thrown out by 60 feet trying to stretch a double into a triple.

  89. Westside guy on May 30th, 2012 7:10 pm

    Wow! I left work, turned on the radio – and the Mariners were up 8-0. Then I listened in amazement as they scored NINE more runs!

    What. The. Heck!?

  90. henryv on May 30th, 2012 7:10 pm

    Can’t throw one pitch, unless it’s a complete at-bat (ground-out, fly-out, or a hit).

    Can if you get ejected.

  91. terryoftacoma on May 30th, 2012 7:13 pm

    Westy it was fun to watch.

  92. stevemotivateir on May 30th, 2012 7:13 pm

    ^haha, not the way you wanna go out though! Well, I suppose it could be….

  93. Westside guy on May 30th, 2012 7:15 pm

    Olivo drops the throw – never heard that one before!

    (I kid, I kid)

  94. Westside guy on May 30th, 2012 7:16 pm

    Hopefully WEDGE remembers the Seattle – Cleveland game where Cleveland came back from 12 runs down…

    Wasn’t he their manager at the time?

  95. terryoftacoma on May 30th, 2012 7:16 pm

    They’re picking of Figgins. haha

  96. henryv on May 30th, 2012 7:16 pm

    No, it was Hargrove, I think.

  97. stevemotivateir on May 30th, 2012 7:17 pm

    Maybe the Rangers saw the line-up, became over-confident, and started the game thinking they had it in the bag? I’ll admit, I’d feel pretty good about my chances if I were in their shoes before the game!

  98. Westside guy on May 30th, 2012 7:17 pm

    Oh, I didn’t even remember Hargrove ever managing the Indians.

  99. terryoftacoma on May 30th, 2012 7:19 pm

    NO. This is far from over.

  100. stevemotivateir on May 30th, 2012 7:19 pm

    Wonder if we’ll see Iwakuma this game?

  101. justinh on May 30th, 2012 7:24 pm

    I was at that game when they came back from 12 down. It was Hargrove.

  102. Westside guy on May 30th, 2012 7:25 pm

    Who’s Cleveland’s manager now? Hopefully we don’t hire him in a few years – I’m not particularly happy with their cast-offs.

    Manager-wise, anyway.

  103. kenshabby on May 30th, 2012 7:26 pm

    The last time the M’s scored this many runs in a game was in 2000 vs. the Angels, a game in which Derrick Turnbow pitched. He allowed 5 BB and 3 hits in 1 1/3 IP (and didn’t return to the majors for 3 years). Ha!

  104. msfanmike on May 30th, 2012 7:28 pm

    Who’s Iwakuma?

  105. djw on May 30th, 2012 7:28 pm

    I remember that 2000 game. But why did Lou pinch run Ibanez for Javier?

  106. Westside guy on May 30th, 2012 7:29 pm

    Ew, did a Google search for Mike Hargrove – and, over on the right, there were three lovely blasts from the past. Richie Sexson, Bill Bavasi, and John McLaren.

    (Okay I don’t really lump McLaren in with Sexson and Bavasi)

  107. justinh on May 30th, 2012 7:29 pm

    Now does everyone understand why Jaso doesn’t play much? He is obviously a rally killer.

  108. stevemotivateir on May 30th, 2012 7:30 pm

    That game was in Cleveland. You were there?

  109. justinh on May 30th, 2012 7:31 pm

    I remember that 2000 game. But why did Lou pinch run Ibanez for Javier?

    Ibanez was just a bench player then and I think he was giving Javier a little rest.

  110. justinh on May 30th, 2012 7:31 pm

    I was in Cleveland. The only game I ever saw there. I will never go to a game there again.

  111. Paul B on May 30th, 2012 7:32 pm

    For some reason 17-5 feels a lot different than 17-0.

  112. justinh on May 30th, 2012 7:32 pm

    Steve, thankfully I’m not in Texas tonight.

  113. stevemotivateir on May 30th, 2012 7:33 pm

    I went to Yankee Stadium once. Got a ball. Been to a thousand Mariner games, never got a ball! They were playing the Red Sox. Lot of fun, but I’ll never go there again!

  114. Westside guy on May 30th, 2012 7:33 pm

    BOO Saunders! BOO! Rally killer!

    hehehe

  115. stevemotivateir on May 30th, 2012 7:33 pm

    haha, I was going to make a joke about jinxing them!

  116. Westside guy on May 30th, 2012 7:35 pm

    Hey we’re up by 12 – Wedge should follow his “Liddi in left” approach, have the players all try to switch-hit.

  117. msfanmike on May 30th, 2012 7:35 pm

    Hey, that guy is pitching.

  118. Paul B on May 30th, 2012 7:36 pm

    I wonder how long Wedge will stay infatuated with Kiddo.

    Liddi.

  119. Paul B on May 30th, 2012 7:38 pm

    Iwa who?

  120. justinh on May 30th, 2012 7:39 pm

    Iwakuma may get a save tonight!

  121. Westside guy on May 30th, 2012 7:41 pm

    Liddi.

  122. DarkKnight1680 on May 30th, 2012 7:41 pm

    Defense extraordinaire there

  123. WTF_Ms on May 30th, 2012 7:41 pm

    Well, it was fun while it lasted…this is gonna be a nail biter!

  124. djw on May 30th, 2012 7:42 pm

    Liddi: not an outfielder.

  125. henryv on May 30th, 2012 7:42 pm

    I’m getting nervous.

  126. Westside guy on May 30th, 2012 7:42 pm

    That was Wedge’s error.

  127. Paul B on May 30th, 2012 7:43 pm

    I think this is Iwakuma’s 5th game. He is averaging about 2 games a month.

  128. kcw2 on May 30th, 2012 7:44 pm

    FWIW, Cleveland game was 8/5/2001.

  129. WTF_Ms on May 30th, 2012 7:44 pm

    What was Wedge’s error, leaving Liddi in left field?

  130. henryv on May 30th, 2012 7:46 pm

    Actually, yeah.

    Wells should by in LF.

  131. Westside guy on May 30th, 2012 7:48 pm

    Exactly, WTF. Except I was referring to his being in left in the first place.

  132. Paul B on May 30th, 2012 7:51 pm

    If he wants Ichiro to have a day off, all he’s got on the bench is Carp. Not really an improvement.

  133. Westside guy on May 30th, 2012 7:53 pm

    Uh… I beg to differ. Carp is bad, but Liddi is downright horrid.

  134. Breadbaker on May 30th, 2012 7:54 pm

    When Ackley and Montero are on, you start to see why they were considered such hot prospects. May this be the game they never look back after.

  135. DarkKnight1680 on May 30th, 2012 7:57 pm

    I heart Seager so much.

  136. henryv on May 30th, 2012 7:59 pm

    F— you, M. Adams, whoever you are.

    Freaking walking a guy trying to hit for the cycle.

  137. henryv on May 30th, 2012 8:01 pm
  138. stevemotivateir on May 30th, 2012 8:03 pm

    Smoak again!

  139. Paul B on May 30th, 2012 8:03 pm

    I remember after the Detroit series, the Tigers released one guy and sent another to AAA.

    Wonder if the Rangers will dump any relievers after these Yeo games?

    Wonder if Felix wonders if he’ll ever see this many runs in 5 starts.

  140. DarkKnight1680 on May 30th, 2012 8:03 pm

    Ok, maybe it’s me but his (Smoak’s) bat looks a lot quicker these days.

  141. caldog on May 30th, 2012 8:03 pm

    one more run for the record lets go M’s

  142. henryv on May 30th, 2012 8:04 pm

    21… HA HA HA HA.

  143. stevemotivateir on May 30th, 2012 8:04 pm

    I’ll second that, breadbaker!

  144. msfanmike on May 30th, 2012 8:04 pm

    The cheese was served. Nice night by Smoak, eh?

  145. djw on May 30th, 2012 8:04 pm

    That ain’t no cheap Texas home run.

    Now I just want a football score. If the Rangers must score again, it better be 2 or 3 runs. Same for the M’s.

  146. henryv on May 30th, 2012 8:05 pm

    If Mike Carp goes deep here, I’m calling Shenanigans.

  147. justinh on May 30th, 2012 8:05 pm

    Mariners score three touchdowns will never get old!!! Unles we score more.

    Great to see Smoak get going!!!

  148. DarkKnight1680 on May 30th, 2012 8:08 pm

    Maybe they really do have a potentially solid hitting core in a couple years with Ackley/Seager/Smoak/Montero/Saunders. Add in Franklin (2nd in the Southern league in OPS, as a SS) and they could have 6 developing bats and still have 2 corner OF spots and a DH to fill.

  149. Ichirolling51 on May 30th, 2012 8:08 pm

    Well, a TD and onside kick and the Cowboys will be right back in this thing!

  150. henryv on May 30th, 2012 8:08 pm

    This is sick:

    RBI – D Ackley 3 (20), K Seager 2 (28), J Montero 4 (27), J Smoak 6 (27), A Liddi (10), M Olivo 2 (9), M Saunders (16), B Ryan (10).

  151. mksh21 on May 30th, 2012 8:15 pm

    This 23-30 team will actually be +3 in the run column after this slaughter.

  152. Ichirolling51 on May 30th, 2012 8:15 pm

    Dang, I was hoping we would see a position player on the mound.

  153. DarkKnight1680 on May 30th, 2012 8:15 pm

    Random question that hopefully someone can answer – if you have a team where every player has identical .700 OPS numbers, can you approximate the number of runs that team would score in a season? How/what would it be?

  154. marcus_andrews on May 30th, 2012 8:16 pm

    Okay going back a fairly long way, but to the person who said they hope we don’t get another Cleveland manager cast-off: Their manager is Manny Acta and is one of the very few managers with any semblance of new-age ideas. He’s the one who made the comment about the best hitters batting the most (and thusly has Choo and Kipnis batting 1/2 despite their skill set making them more “prototypical” for other spots).

    Personally, I’d prefer Acta to all but a handful of managers in the game.

  155. marcus_andrews on May 30th, 2012 8:16 pm

    Okay going back a fairly long way, but to the person who said they hope we don’t get another Cleveland manager cast-off: Their manager is Manny Acta and is one of the very few managers with any semblance of new-age ideas. He’s the one who made the comment about the best hitters batting the most (and thusly has Choo and Kipnis batting 1/2 despite their skill set making them more “prototypical” for other spots).

    Personally, I’d prefer Acta to all but a handful of managers in the game.

  156. marcus_andrews on May 30th, 2012 8:17 pm

    I don’t know why my first comment always double-posts, anyone know what’s up with that?

  157. stevemotivateir on May 30th, 2012 8:18 pm

    Oh yeah, we that Kawasaki guy too.

  158. stevemotivateir on May 30th, 2012 8:18 pm

    @Marcus

    OCD?

  159. henryv on May 30th, 2012 8:19 pm

    Random question that hopefully someone can answer – if you have a team where every player has identical .700 OPS numbers, can you approximate the number of runs that team would score in a season? How/what would it be?

    OPS wouldn’t be the ideal stat to use (because the O is more important than the S, and in OPS it is treated equally), but it wouldn’t be hard to approximate.

  160. Westside guy on May 30th, 2012 8:21 pm

    Okay, Marcus, given that Acta is now their manager – I withdraw my earlier statement. :-D

  161. marcus_andrews on May 30th, 2012 8:21 pm

    I firmly believe that anyone who believes Kawasaki needs to play in Ryan’s stead more often either doesn’t watch them play or just doesn’t know what they’re talking about.

  162. DarkKnight1680 on May 30th, 2012 8:21 pm

    I was assuming that some guys would have higher O and others higher S so it would even out.

    How would you approximate it?

  163. stevemotivateir on May 30th, 2012 8:23 pm

    Injury to insult

  164. Ichirolling51 on May 30th, 2012 8:25 pm

    Come on Rangers score another run or 2, I want a football score damn it.

  165. stevemotivateir on May 30th, 2012 8:26 pm

    You should see the comments on the Mariners website, Marcus. All kinds Kawasaki supporters there.

  166. marcus_andrews on May 30th, 2012 8:27 pm

    Yeah Steve, that’s largely who I was referring to. It drives me nuts that they REALLY believe that they know what they’re talking about and yet they’re so sadly mistaken.

  167. stevemotivateir on May 30th, 2012 8:29 pm

    That’s exactly why I like this site so much. Considerably more brain cells at work.

  168. marcus_andrews on May 30th, 2012 8:30 pm

    Exactly. For the most part, even if there is a disagreement there is some level of justification behind it. Much, much more intelligent group here.

  169. henryv on May 30th, 2012 8:30 pm

    Darkknight-

    Do a linear regression of the OPS of teams vs. runs scored for 2011.

    Use the data to make a linear equation, and then put in an OPS of .700 into the equation, and see what you get.

    Roughly you will get about 640 runs.

  170. Mid80sRighty on May 30th, 2012 8:37 pm

    Decide to watch the Stanley Cup instead and the M’s score 21 runs…holy crap. Why do they always play Texas so well? Ohh, baseball…

  171. stevemotivateir on May 30th, 2012 8:44 pm

    I forgot about the Stanley Cup! I’m looking forward to the replay of this game because I missed the first three innings.

  172. Paul B on May 30th, 2012 8:54 pm

    Good call on Iwakuma getting a save.

    Not so good on Carp being an improvement in left.

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