Game 71, Mariners at Diamondbacks

Dave · June 20, 2012 at 12:26 pm · Filed Under Mariners 

Vargas vs Cahill, 12:40 pm.

Its getaway day in Arizona, so the M’s run out a somewhat unorthodox line-up, especially given that a right-handed pitcher is on the mound for the D’Backs.

Ichiro, RF
Jaso, C
Wells, LF
Seager, 3B
Saunders, CF
Ackley, 1B
Ryan, SS
Kawasaki, 2B
Vargas, P

Casper Wells is the new Alex Liddi, I guess – string together a few good games and all of the sudden you’re hitting in the middle of the order against a right-hander. I like Casper, but this won’t last. Also, Figgins is officially behind Kawasaki on the depth chart, as even with Smoak getting a day off and no real backup first baseman on the roster, he’s still sitting on the bench. So huzzah for that at least.

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83 Responses to “Game 71, Mariners at Diamondbacks”

  1. Westside guy on June 20th, 2012 12:24 pm

    Kawasaki is at second – he’s in close proximity to his hero. I expect to see smiles from him all day.

    If I could watch it anyway. Unfortunately I’ll just be listening.

    Hopefully he won’t get distracted by Ichiro’s nearness…

  2. californiamariner on June 20th, 2012 12:24 pm

    This is a weird lineup, but JASO!

  3. vetted_coach on June 20th, 2012 12:29 pm

    Wells hitting 3rd against a RHP that he owns. I’m glad he’s getting some serious consideration as a front line type player. I still expect him to be semi-platooned, but given te AB’s, I think he’ll be fine.

  4. Westside guy on June 20th, 2012 12:31 pm

    BTW coach – you called it on Smoak.

  5. msfanmike on June 20th, 2012 12:34 pm

    An eclectic lineup for sure.

    With the middle of the order “pop” of yesterday removed from todays lineup (Smoak with a bruise and Montero with a bruised ego/need for rest) – in conjunction with the Pitcher batting – this team might only score a dozen runs today. Or, one run.

    My money is on something between the two extremes. You heard it here first.

    Radio only for me too, Westy. Freaking lack of being indepently wealthy, sucks!

  6. californiamariner on June 20th, 2012 12:38 pm

    I’m curious if there’s been a lineup all season in the majors with a worse hitting 7-9 lol

  7. vetted_coach on June 20th, 2012 12:40 pm

    I don’t expect it to last, either – but more due to the organization’s inclination to platoon anyone right-handed. Still think Wells will be under valued in the long run, (unless, of course, he continues to go 6 for 10.) True test will be when he settles back to .270. He looks like a regular to me. Much more established than Liddi. No comparison there.

  8. jmcwalter on June 20th, 2012 12:41 pm

    Glad Figgins is on the bench. When are they going finally cut the cord and DFA him? Hopefully soon!

  9. vetted_coach on June 20th, 2012 12:44 pm

    Wells still swinging it.

  10. Westside guy on June 20th, 2012 12:48 pm

    Vargas can actually hit, californiamariner.

  11. msfanmike on June 20th, 2012 12:53 pm

    That sure sounded like a nice, fat, up-in-the-zone pitch.

    Perhaps it would be a good idea to not give Hill anything to hit.

  12. msfanmike on June 20th, 2012 12:55 pm

    Love me some Domes!

  13. californiamariner on June 20th, 2012 12:56 pm

    Vargas served up both of those.

  14. Paul B on June 20th, 2012 12:57 pm

    Move the fences out!

    (someone had to say it)

  15. Westside guy on June 20th, 2012 12:58 pm

    I gotta admit – I wondered how fly-ball pitcher Vargas would do in this park.

  16. WTF_Ms on June 20th, 2012 1:00 pm

    Westy, as long as the fly balls are not hit like the last two!

  17. Mike Snow on June 20th, 2012 1:01 pm

    Well, it does help illustrate how you might expect his performance to be affected if the Safeco fences were moved in.

  18. vetted_coach on June 20th, 2012 1:04 pm

    5-pitch inning for Cahill? I don’t think so.

  19. WTF_Ms on June 20th, 2012 1:07 pm

    Aren’t the dimensions in Chase bigger than the Safe?

  20. marcus_andrews on June 20th, 2012 1:10 pm

    Worst bottom three might go to the braves when they’ve had pastronicky, their pitcher and constanza. That’s pretty dreadful. (Although statistically it might be a better offensive threesome).

  21. Paul B on June 20th, 2012 1:10 pm

    Bat Vargas third!

  22. The_Waco_Kid on June 20th, 2012 1:11 pm

    Don’t DH for Vargas ever!

  23. Paul B on June 20th, 2012 1:14 pm

    Two outs, so what!

  24. The_Waco_Kid on June 20th, 2012 1:14 pm

    Wells!

  25. WTF_Ms on June 20th, 2012 1:15 pm

    He’s hitting better than Figgins right now! Vargas that is.

    SEAGER!!!!

  26. groundzero55 on June 20th, 2012 1:15 pm

    Or maybe Wells CAN stay batting in the heart of the order. For now.

  27. Paul B on June 20th, 2012 1:15 pm

    Red said that Wells hit that homer, but Rick quickly said Seager.

  28. Paul B on June 20th, 2012 1:17 pm

    Before today, Vargas was 1 for 3 with a walk, for a .500 OBA.

    Now he’s 2 for 4 with a walk, for a .600 OBA.

  29. Paul B on June 20th, 2012 1:19 pm

    Oh, wait there was only 1 out. I’m multi tasking.

    5 straight hits. Cool.

  30. californiamariner on June 20th, 2012 1:22 pm

    Awesome inning to watch. I’m amazed at their home vs away offensive numbers as a team. 4.9 runs per game away and 3.1 runs per game home. That is a huge difference. Small sample size or is there something to it?

    I did a little more research and only 3 teams in baseball average over 5 runs a game, while nobody averages as few runs as the Mariners do at home. How can there be such a difference?

  31. marc w on June 20th, 2012 1:27 pm

    The HRs with Vargas are starting to get concerning. He’s hovering around 1.5 per 9 on the year, and he hasn’t had a game in which he didn’t give up a dinger since early May. 7 in 3+ June starts so far.

  32. vetted_coach on June 20th, 2012 1:27 pm

    Locked in: Aaron Hill!

  33. vetted_coach on June 20th, 2012 1:27 pm

    Locked in: Aaron Hill!

  34. vetted_coach on June 20th, 2012 1:28 pm

    (That’s how locked on he is…iPad double clicked)

  35. Paul B on June 20th, 2012 1:29 pm

    Whenever first is open, maybe just walk Hill.

  36. Mike Snow on June 20th, 2012 1:31 pm

    How many cycles is Hill trying to hit for in this series anyway?

  37. WTF_Ms on June 20th, 2012 1:32 pm

    @vetted_coach, I feel your pain! The iPad is a great tool though with At Bat 12 on here too!

  38. vetted_coach on June 20th, 2012 1:33 pm

    Bunt him over forvVargas

  39. californiamariner on June 20th, 2012 1:34 pm

    Blowers just predicted Ryan will have his batting average at .240 by the end of the year.

  40. Paul B on June 20th, 2012 1:37 pm

    I’d be more for betting that Ryan will be close to .240 from now to the end of the year. That is regression to the mean, and I think he’s really about a .240 hitter,

    To get his average up to .240, what would he have to do, hit about .280 for the rest of the year?

  41. vetted_coach on June 20th, 2012 1:37 pm

    IPad…great product, but it’s freakin out today.

    Let’s talk about Kyle Effin Seager! The guy is putting together an all-star first half. 12 months ago, he’s AA. Today, he’s batting cleanup and hitting .400 with risp.

  42. californiamariner on June 20th, 2012 1:41 pm

    Something like .280 probably, I just can’t imagine that happening.

  43. eternal on June 20th, 2012 1:42 pm

    I guess that walk to the mound didn’t help too much

  44. WTF_Ms on June 20th, 2012 1:42 pm

    That was a batting practice pitch right there.

  45. Westside guy on June 20th, 2012 1:43 pm

    Man, I step away from my desk for a few minutes, and all hell breaks loose in Arizona!

    It was 2-0 when I left… :-D

  46. Johnny Slick on June 20th, 2012 1:43 pm

    I’d be more for betting that Ryan will be close to .240 from now to the end of the year. That is regression to the mean, and I think he’s really about a .240 hitter,

    To get his average up to .240, what would he have to do, hit about .280 for the rest of the year?

    Ryan’s hitting what, .160 right now? With the year almost halfway done, it’s more like .310.

  47. marc w on June 20th, 2012 1:43 pm

    I would really love to give the player development group some credit for Seager’s emergence, but he seemed almost fully-formed when he entered the system. He hasn’t had a stop in the minors where he didn’t kill the ball.

    I guess the increased power this year seems distinct, and that’s probably due to the player development team… although Saunders went outside the org for help, so who knows. All I know is that Seager’s a legitimate MLB bat right now, and that’s incredible value for the #82 pick in the 2009 draft.

  48. Paul B on June 20th, 2012 1:43 pm

    Move the fences way way out.

  49. WTF_Ms on June 20th, 2012 1:46 pm

    I’m not sure if it’s the temp or not, but maybe if they turned the A/C on a bit, and maybe add some humidity, they could potentially customize the stadium to their hitters?

  50. Paul B on June 20th, 2012 1:46 pm

    (never mind)

  51. WTF_Ms on June 20th, 2012 1:51 pm

    Second deck foul….stay fair next time!

  52. vetted_coach on June 20th, 2012 1:57 pm

    Either way, here he is, and what a player! Agreed – bona fide MLB swinger.

  53. Westside guy on June 20th, 2012 2:04 pm

    Looks like another pitcher’s duel.

  54. vetted_coach on June 20th, 2012 2:04 pm

    Vargas has to feel like he’s in the Twilight Zone. 5 dingers today. Almost 20 before the All-Star break. And that’s with a good number of starts at Safeco. I like Vargas. This is eerie.

  55. seattlesonsofbaseball on June 20th, 2012 2:05 pm

    Wow… thanks Jason. Don’t know if anyone told Noesi, Ramirez, or Vargas, but this game is in Arizona… not Seattle. It truly shows just how mediocre out starting pitching staff truly is. The field where fly balls go to die makes many pitchers look way better then what they are. Then you go to somewhere like Texas or Arizona, and we see just how good you are. And in Jason Vargas’s world… it aint happenin. Hell, I could hit his crap! Pathetic!

  56. msfanmike on June 20th, 2012 2:08 pm

    This series has been sponsored by USSSA

    Woo-hoo, dingers!

  57. Westside guy on June 20th, 2012 2:10 pm

    Well, on the bright side – one might hope this series will show the “move the fences in” crowd that doing so wouldn’t really help the Mariners any more than it’d help their opponents.

  58. vetted_coach on June 20th, 2012 2:10 pm

    Vargas is going to need an inhaler. Gotta be in total shock. Looked like John Rocker today. Real test of his mental makeup five days from now. I’ll be pulling for him. He’s been the anchor of the staff til today.

    ERA up from 3.95 to 4.57

  59. seattlesonsofbaseball on June 20th, 2012 2:15 pm

    Westside guy, I disagree. What it shows is that Ramirez, Noesi, and ESPECIALLY Vargas aren’t good enough to pitch for a team that you want to have make a shot at the playoffs. Move the fences in for our offense and get some real pitchers. These guys don’t have the mental makeup to do the job. Vargas is so inconsistent that it makes me sick to my stomach!

  60. msfanmike on June 20th, 2012 2:15 pm

    “This series has been sponsored by USSSA”

    and Sominex

  61. vetted_coach on June 20th, 2012 2:18 pm

    Actually, Vargas has been nothing but consistent until today. He certainly doesn’t belong in a discussion that includes Noesi and Ramirez. And next week I’m guessing he’ll throw 6-7 innings and keep his team in the game.

  62. marc w on June 20th, 2012 2:19 pm

    Something’s definitely wrong here. Vargas has always walked a very fine line, as anyone who throws 86-87 does. But the M’s are near the top of the league in HR rate, and there’s no way that should be true given their home park.

    Beavan, Noesi, Vargas…these guys would be HR-prone under any circumstance, so it’s still possible this is luck, but away from home, the M’s have yielded more dingers than anyone else, and thus opponents are slugging .461 overall. That’s before today’s 5-HR outburst. This seems systemic, and I’m not sure if it was the systemic preference for flyball/low walk pitchers at the GM level or some instruction that’s going terribly wrong at the pitching coach level.

  63. msfanmike on June 20th, 2012 2:19 pm

    “and Sominex”

    And X-Box

  64. marc w on June 20th, 2012 2:20 pm

    “Actually, Vargas has been nothing but consistent until today. ”

    To be fair, he’s been pretty consistent in allowing HRs over the past year and his pace is accelerating. It hasn’t really hurt him, as most have been solo shots, but he’s got a homer problem.

  65. vetted_coach on June 20th, 2012 2:34 pm

    Conceded…but hasn’t his control been fair and his ERA decent in spite of it?

  66. vetted_coach on June 20th, 2012 2:38 pm

    Also, (unrelated), at UNC, Ackley and Seager were surprisingly similar in BA, doubles, and RBI. Ackley had 22 HR, Seager only 6. Interesting, though not particularly indicative of anything significant. Just curious.

  67. Westside guy on June 20th, 2012 2:47 pm

    Oh good grief.

  68. msfanmike on June 20th, 2012 2:49 pm

    Didn’t Elton John write a theme song for games like this?

    Woohoo Westy – a 3 touchdown game! Isn’t it awesome!!!

  69. vetted_coach on June 20th, 2012 2:50 pm

    Guess I’m done with this for today; 20 + runs in two games for AZ offense. I give. Encouraging that the M’s are slowly developing a lineup that may provide some offense for a change.

    (Inside the Parker…Saunders could have played that one better…seems that Gutierrez had a similar problem with that OF yesterday, too. Life on the road…)

    Done with Arizona.

  70. Westside guy on June 20th, 2012 2:59 pm

    I really wish I could watch this game! hehe

    I don’t think the radio is doing it justice…

  71. marc w on June 20th, 2012 2:59 pm

    “but hasn’t his control been fair and his ERA decent in spite of it?”

    Yes, it has, and it’s just a question of what’s going to give. Is his HR/9 or HR/FB or plain old HRs allowed going to fall back to where it’s been in the past couple of years, allowing him to maintain a very good RA, or is he going to start missing the zone a bit more to stop giving up so many HRs? He’s clearly been a bit unlucky in that no one would expect THIS many fly balls to turn into HRs, but this is the sort of run any fly baller can have.

  72. djw on June 20th, 2012 3:20 pm

    That was nice to see. Not sure if it justified my decision to keep watching this game, but still.

    More of that, please, Franklin.

  73. msfanmike on June 20th, 2012 3:21 pm

    Any guesses on how much longer Zagurski is in the Major Leagues?

  74. Westside guy on June 20th, 2012 3:21 pm

    Maybe I should walk away more often. I was just in a short meeting… and the Mariners scored another four or five runs!

  75. Westside guy on June 20th, 2012 3:23 pm

    Figgins is threatening to cross the Mendoza line!

  76. msfanmike on June 20th, 2012 3:25 pm

    I thought it was renamed the “Mariners at home” line

  77. Westside guy on June 20th, 2012 3:28 pm

    The “M’s doza” line.

  78. msfanmike on June 20th, 2012 3:29 pm

    Nicely done, sir!

  79. Mid80sRighty on June 20th, 2012 3:33 pm

    Coach, that’s why ERA isn’t a good stat to use.

    Iwakuma’s also had a bad couple of days…

  80. vetted_coach on June 20th, 2012 3:43 pm

    A good stat to use for what? I’m just illustrating Vargas’ control as a factor in managing the damage of his homeritis. As I write this, I’m not specifically certain of his career WHIP, but I would guess that it’s a reasonable number. My whole treatise was (and is) that he has been a steady, dependable starter, albeit fly-ball prone. Not in the Hoesi, Ramirez conversation.

    Also, I’m an advocate for Hultzen to make a major league appearance well before September. Let’s see what we’ve got. You take a guy that high, you’re saying he’s close to ready.

  81. Westside guy on June 20th, 2012 4:18 pm

    Figgins went 2 for 2.

    Really, somebody needs to snatch him up.

  82. Ichirolling51 on June 20th, 2012 5:58 pm

    Can we petition the MLB to let us play the rest of our games on the road? If we’re going to lose it my as well be in style. Or better yet lets move to Las Vegas, then change our name to the Seattle Mariners of Las Vegas. Makes perfect sense to me anyways.

  83. raul_podzednick on June 21st, 2012 10:55 am

    Our pitching staff is Felix and the 4 fifth starters.

    We have a window folks and right now we ain’t in it. Couple years for the young position players to come into there prime and hopefully the minor league pitching bounty is ready for the bigs at the same time.

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