Game 78, Red Sox at Mariners, Danny Hultzen’s Cheney Debut, General Excitement

marc w · June 28, 2012 at 5:54 pm · Filed Under Mariners 

Felix Hernandez vs. Franklin Morales, 7:10pm
Danny Hultzen vs. Jamie Moyer, 7:05pm

Happy Felix?hultzen day, yet again! Let’s hope it goes slightly better than last time, when Hultzen couldn’t find the plate in Colorado Springs. There are obviously a lot of excuses for that – from nerves to altitude to the fact that the city was on fire – but he won’t have them (and hopefully won’t need them) tonight. The Las Vegas 51s start a familiar face, the incomparable Jamie Moyer, who was just picked up by the Blue Jays organization this week. John McGrath’s got a good column pointing out that Jamie Moyer called one of Hultzen’s College World Series games when he worked at ESPN during his Tommy John rehab, and everyone everywhere is trotting out those “Jamie Moyer is older than X” factoids.

Felix Hernandez is coming off a very encouraging start against the Padres at Petco Park, striking out 10 in 7 innings. He’s going to be facing a tougher offense tonight; the Red Sox have the 3rd best wOBA while the Padres are 2nd worst. He’ll be opposed by Franklin Morales, another hard-throwing Venezuelan. Morales came up in the Rockies organization, where he was renowned for a plus fastball that occasionally hit the upper 90s, or even 100mph. Fellow fireballer Juan Morillo, a young Dominican, was coming up at the same time, and they were both about one year behind Ubaldo Jimenez; for a month or so in 2006, it really looked like the Rockies were going to deal with playing at altitude by cornering the market on guys who threw ridiculously fast. The problem was that neither Morales nor Morillo knew where the ball was going. This proved fatal for Morillo’s MLB career, and it forced Morales to the bullpen, where he’s been pretty effective as he’s finally found some control. With injuries in their rotation, the Sox have had Morales make a few starts, and he’s been lights out. He’s still got a very good FB for a lefty, averaging around 95, and he’s got a curve and change-up that he uses against lefties and righties, respectively. As a starter, his control’s been impeccable, so the M’s need to get a good pitch and drive it. He rather memorably gave up a long home run to Mike Carp last year when he was working in relief.

Line-up:
1: Ichiro
2: Gutierrez
3: Seager
4: Montero (DH)
5: Wells
6: Smoak
7: Olivo (C)
8: Ackley
9: Ryan
SP: King Felix

Larry Stone’s going to live-blog the Hultzen start (which means I don’t have to!), but I’ll be spouting off about it all night on twitter, so check out one or both of those things!

Comments

194 Responses to “Game 78, Red Sox at Mariners, Danny Hultzen’s Cheney Debut, General Excitement”

  1. Westside guy on June 28th, 2012 7:03 pm

    I think I’d rather watch the Hultzen-Moyer game! Hopefully they’ll at least give us frequent cut-aways to know how it’s progressing.

    BTW just what we need right now – to face a lefty who’s doing well, and at Safeco.

  2. stevemotivateir on June 28th, 2012 7:05 pm

    Would be cool if ROOT could provide video updates during the M’s game. Wishful thinking.

  3. vetted_coach on June 28th, 2012 7:06 pm

    6-9 scares the poop out of me. No news-flash there. A hard throwing lefty vs. Smoak. Are we looking at a possible sombrero? Why would Wells see a single fast ball in the strike zone? It’s hard to find a silver lining these days. One run? Two? Hope Felix gets them through seven innings.

  4. stevemotivateir on June 28th, 2012 7:10 pm

    Hell, a hard-throwing Righty vs. Smoak, is scary. The good news, is that a couple runs should be all we need, with Felix pitching. Never know, though.

  5. Westside guy on June 28th, 2012 7:13 pm

    “A couple runs should be all we need”

    Hasn’t that been a problem lately? :-D

  6. crazyray7391 on June 28th, 2012 7:14 pm

    I still feel like a ball on a tee with Smoak in the batters box is scary.

  7. vetted_coach on June 28th, 2012 7:21 pm

    M’s offense at home as “improved” to .202. Ouch!

  8. stevemotivateir on June 28th, 2012 7:22 pm

    Hope this doesn’t turn into a scoreless game that requires extra innings.

  9. Westside guy on June 28th, 2012 7:36 pm

    What were you saying, Steve?

  10. msfanmike on June 28th, 2012 7:45 pm

    I wonder if the team has ever made Smoak watch the tape of Pedroia taking one deep to right center at Safeco – last season.

    Pedroia: 5’7″

    Oppo!

  11. msfanmike on June 28th, 2012 7:49 pm

    Man, this lefty “brings it”

    Ackley made solid contact. Just right at somebody. He went with the pitch perfectly.

  12. vetted_coach on June 28th, 2012 7:50 pm

    Looks like Ackley is covering the plate a lot better. Starting to look a little like he did last summer.

  13. Westside guy on June 28th, 2012 7:51 pm

    Ryan is at least still taking walks.

  14. Westside guy on June 28th, 2012 7:53 pm

    Wow! Adam Moore homered in the Tacoma game!

    I had no idea he was back.

    Alex Liddi, on the other hand, is 0-2 with two strikeouts against Jamie Moyer.

  15. stevemotivateir on June 28th, 2012 7:58 pm

    Hultzen’s given up one run, walked three, k’d four. Still in the third.

  16. msfanmike on June 28th, 2012 7:59 pm

    Moyer feasts on guys like Liddi. Not surprised.

    Moore has been back for approx 3 weeks now. Not really hitting. Had no rehab assignment, though. Started right up in AAA after surgery rehab

  17. Westside guy on June 28th, 2012 8:00 pm

    If this is 0-0 after nine, it is totally going to be Steve’s fault.

  18. Westside guy on June 28th, 2012 8:01 pm

    I feel bad for Adam Moore – the guy seems to be snake bit, and it’s pretty obvious the org doesn’t see a role for him anymore.

  19. Westside guy on June 28th, 2012 8:04 pm

    Hultzen’s given up 3 more BB’s so far in 3 innings – but he’s also got 5 K’s to go with them.

  20. msfanmike on June 28th, 2012 8:04 pm

    I would like to see Moore take over the Miggy role within the next three weeks.

  21. Westside guy on June 28th, 2012 8:06 pm

    Guti breaks up the no-no!

  22. stevemotivateir on June 28th, 2012 8:06 pm

    Hultzen’s thrown 67 pitches through 3. He has 5 k’s, but it sounds like he’s having some control issues.

  23. Westside guy on June 28th, 2012 8:07 pm

    Oh crap.

  24. msfanmike on June 28th, 2012 8:08 pm

    Let’s manufacture a fucking. Yes, cussing in the 4th inning.

    Oh for fuck sake. Someone get an anti voodoo doll

  25. juneau_fan on June 28th, 2012 8:08 pm

    The most cursed player to evah play.

  26. stevemotivateir on June 28th, 2012 8:11 pm

    SFGD. Hope to God Guti’s ok.

  27. msfanmike on June 28th, 2012 8:11 pm

    So, is Gonzales going to get plunked by Felix? Someone is probably going to wear one.

  28. californiamariner on June 28th, 2012 8:13 pm

    That was a freak accident. No retaliation and hopefully Guti is ok.

  29. Westside guy on June 28th, 2012 8:13 pm

    Hopefully that just rang Guti’s bell a bit, and he’s otherwise okay.

  30. msfanmike on June 28th, 2012 8:16 pm

    I didnt say it was rational. I just think its going to happen. Guti Is Felix’ buddy, after all.

  31. Westside guy on June 28th, 2012 8:20 pm

    Hultzen – 90 pitches through 4.

  32. jordan on June 28th, 2012 8:22 pm

    As much as I would like someone to get plunked (as irrational as it is) if you watch Gonzalez during the whole ordeal, he obviously felt terrible.

  33. stevemotivateir on June 28th, 2012 8:24 pm

    So, do I get a prize, if this does go scoreless through 9?

  34. vetted_coach on June 28th, 2012 8:24 pm

    Are we insinuating that Gonzales missed the ball intentionally? I’m thinking it’s pretty flukey for a fielder of his caliber to miss that throw completely, but thrte’s no reason whatsoever to believe he would deliberately do that. The shot of Pedroia looking at them work on Guti was interesting. He was really sorry it had happened. What a tough break!

  35. crazyray7391 on June 28th, 2012 8:26 pm

    I’m stuck at work so I can’t see the game. What happened with Guti? I figured he got plunked, but it sounds like Gonzales just completely missed a throw to first?

  36. stevemotivateir on June 28th, 2012 8:27 pm

    I don’t think anyone’s insinuating it was intentional, just that there could have been an irrational reaction.

  37. californiamariner on June 28th, 2012 8:28 pm

    It was a pickoff to 1st and the throw was a little wild, hit Guti right in the face.

  38. msfanmike on June 28th, 2012 8:31 pm

    How many more AB’s until Smoak reaches Mendoza? Three, four?

  39. vetted_coach on June 28th, 2012 8:32 pm

    Let’s see Ackley square one up right here.

  40. msfanmike on June 28th, 2012 8:32 pm

    No, I did not insinuate that Gonzales did anything on purpose. It does not mean he won’t be dancing in the box his next time up.

  41. stevemotivateir on June 28th, 2012 8:32 pm

    Hultzen’s out. Four innings. Nice that he only gave up one run, but he has some things to work on. Threw wall too many balls.

  42. californiamariner on June 28th, 2012 8:36 pm

    At least Ackley leads the team in walks

  43. msfanmike on June 28th, 2012 8:36 pm

    Hultzen has that exaggerated cross body throwing motion and I imagine it causes control issues unless his timing is perfect. It hides the ball well, but he steps toward the 1B side of the plate instead of straight downhill when he throws. It’s just the way he does it.

  44. vetted_coach on June 28th, 2012 8:37 pm

    This guy is filthy. Locates a 95 mph fast ball, then breaks off that frickin curve. Felix can’t afford a single mistake. I don’t think Morales has missed a single pitch. Never even heard of him.

  45. msfanmike on June 28th, 2012 8:38 pm

    Steve, if it is scoreless after 9, Westy is sending you to South America on his dime.

  46. stevemotivateir on June 28th, 2012 8:42 pm

    That’ll work!

  47. Westside guy on June 28th, 2012 8:43 pm

    I’m short on dimes, so he’s only getting to Tijuana.

  48. stevemotivateir on June 28th, 2012 8:44 pm

    No deal. I’d rather have a handful of dimes, than a ticket to Tijuana.

  49. stevemotivateir on June 28th, 2012 8:44 pm

    Start a pool?

  50. vetted_coach on June 28th, 2012 8:55 pm

    (Obviously a riveting baseball game).

  51. Westside guy on June 28th, 2012 8:56 pm

    Nobody said the trip was optional, Steve.

  52. Westside guy on June 28th, 2012 9:00 pm

    Ew, Las Vegas just put up 6 runs – they lead 7-3.

  53. Westside guy on June 28th, 2012 9:03 pm

    Felix is dealing!

  54. Westside guy on June 28th, 2012 9:06 pm

    Wells homer pop-up right here.

  55. stevemotivateir on June 28th, 2012 9:08 pm

    haha Westy

  56. Westside guy on June 28th, 2012 9:09 pm

    Smoak checks in!

    Miggy can punish mistakes – but Morales isn’t making many. (in the strike zone anyway)

  57. vetted_coach on June 28th, 2012 9:12 pm

    Ackley this time.i

  58. stevemotivateir on June 28th, 2012 9:12 pm

    How the hell does the ump miss that? As if the dust wasn’t proof enough.

  59. Westside guy on June 28th, 2012 9:13 pm

    That was a bad call – but we all know Miggy would’ve struck out on the next pitch anyway.

    Man, that curve/slider/whatever is nasty.

    YES!!

  60. vetted_coach on June 28th, 2012 9:17 pm

    Best start of Morales’ career.

  61. Mid80sRighty on June 28th, 2012 9:19 pm

    In a game like this, if you can’t take advantage of mistakes then you pretty much deserve to lose.

  62. Westside guy on June 28th, 2012 9:19 pm

    The 51s with two more in the sixth – they lead 9-3.

    Moyer went five, and is in line for the win.

    I gotta admit I’m still rooting for Moyer to make it back to the majors.

  63. Westside guy on June 28th, 2012 9:22 pm

    Nice play by Wells there.

  64. stevemotivateir on June 28th, 2012 9:22 pm

    Wells!!! Nicely done!

  65. msfanmike on June 28th, 2012 9:22 pm

    Hell. Of. A. Play!!!

  66. Westside guy on June 28th, 2012 9:23 pm

    YEAH!! WELLS!!

  67. vetted_coach on June 28th, 2012 9:23 pm

    No comment on Wells this time, boys?

  68. Westside guy on June 28th, 2012 9:24 pm

    Huh, what?

  69. stevemotivateir on June 28th, 2012 9:24 pm

    I see a lot of comments, genius. Nobody every said they didn’t like Wells.

  70. Mid80sRighty on June 28th, 2012 9:24 pm

    Best start of the year for any pitcher against the M’s, coach

  71. californiamariner on June 28th, 2012 9:25 pm

    What a catch! Felix is ridiculous tonight, just give me one run please.

  72. Westside guy on June 28th, 2012 9:26 pm

    I’m just glad Wells is okay – the way he went into the wall worried me a bit.

  73. Mid80sRighty on June 28th, 2012 9:26 pm

    I never said I didn’t like him either.

  74. vetted_coach on June 28th, 2012 9:26 pm

    (There’s some UZR)

  75. Westside guy on June 28th, 2012 9:26 pm

    Oh, different pitcher. Thank goodness.

  76. Westside guy on June 28th, 2012 9:27 pm

    Man, we’re just not hitting BoSox lefties at all tonight.

  77. Mid80sRighty on June 28th, 2012 9:28 pm

    Are you serious coach? Don’t be a prick. Rational discussion backed up by facts, that’s all we want.

  78. meeksfred on June 28th, 2012 9:28 pm

    Good god our hitting is terrible.

  79. Westside guy on June 28th, 2012 9:29 pm

    Fred, refering to it as “hitting” is being generous.

  80. Mid80sRighty on June 28th, 2012 9:31 pm

    Haha, Westy. I thought it was a league wide rule the M’s had to face Cy Young every night

  81. Westside guy on June 28th, 2012 9:31 pm

    Brian Moran now pitching for the Rainiers – I don’t know him, but looking at his picture I’m betting his nickname is “Country”.

  82. vetted_coach on June 28th, 2012 9:31 pm

    Thought I sensed some satire back there on the “pop-up” comment, that’s all. Sorry if I offended.

  83. Mid80sRighty on June 28th, 2012 9:33 pm

    Felix throwing the night train tonight!

  84. Westside guy on June 28th, 2012 9:33 pm

    Satire? I predicted a home run, he popped it up, and I changed it before anyone added a comment. It was a joke, pretty obviously.

    Given that no one is hitting, it’d be silly to single out Wells.

  85. stevemotivateir on June 28th, 2012 9:33 pm

    Ortiz can still punish a ball.

  86. Westside guy on June 28th, 2012 9:35 pm

    BTW when I regularly type my “BRING IN THE FENCES!” comment after yet another weak fly out – that’s not a serious comment either.

  87. stevemotivateir on June 28th, 2012 9:36 pm

    Were you serious about Tijuana, Westy?

  88. Westside guy on June 28th, 2012 9:36 pm

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

    BTW the Mariners haven’t given me much of a chance to even to the “Bring in the fences” thing – they’re not even getting it out of the infield on the few times they’ve made contact.

  89. msfanmike on June 28th, 2012 9:38 pm

    Roll a DP, here.

    The non satirical kind.

  90. Westside guy on June 28th, 2012 9:39 pm

    Come on guys, Felix has done it all night. You need to have his back now.

  91. stevemotivateir on June 28th, 2012 9:40 pm

    Imagine if that trade had went through, and Gonzalez was a Mariner? I can’t remember the names involved, but San Diego was reportedly asking for 6 players. The M’s were offering 5.

  92. Kyle Miller on June 28th, 2012 9:40 pm

    Can our offense be bothered to score tonight, or are they too enamored with Felix?

  93. Westside guy on June 28th, 2012 9:41 pm

    On a side note – according to COTs, Boston’s 2012 payroll is something like 175 million. That’s almost 100 million more than the Mariners.

  94. stevemotivateir on June 28th, 2012 9:41 pm

    Am I remembering that correctly?

  95. stevemotivateir on June 28th, 2012 9:42 pm

    Saunders!!!!

  96. msfanmike on June 28th, 2012 9:42 pm

    Wow, what a battle that was. Nice play Saundy!

  97. Westside guy on June 28th, 2012 9:42 pm

    I don’t remember the details Steve. I do remember we were all drooling over the possibility though.

  98. Westside guy on June 28th, 2012 9:43 pm

    Saunders is fast.

  99. Swungonandbelted on June 28th, 2012 9:43 pm

    Now time for the craptastic offense to do something…..

  100. Westside guy on June 28th, 2012 9:44 pm

    Did anyone else worry for a moment about a collision there in shallow center?

  101. stevemotivateir on June 28th, 2012 9:44 pm

    I was certainly drooling.

  102. msfanmike on June 28th, 2012 9:44 pm

    Let’s go get this guy a win!

    The non-whimsical kind. Just a regular win.

  103. crazyray7391 on June 28th, 2012 9:44 pm

    Our offense can’t be bothered to do anything at all apparently.

  104. vetted_coach on June 28th, 2012 9:44 pm

    Pleeeeeze. Score a friggin run for this guy. One friggin run.

  105. crazyray7391 on June 28th, 2012 9:45 pm

    So no moral victory tonight Mike? You want an acutal “W”. Now you’re just being greedy.

  106. Westside guy on June 28th, 2012 9:45 pm

    It was good to see the defense pick it up for Felix. Now let’s score a run.

  107. californiamariner on June 28th, 2012 9:45 pm

    Just one run!

  108. Westside guy on June 28th, 2012 9:46 pm

    Man that Atchinson dude looks old.

  109. Westside guy on June 28th, 2012 9:48 pm

    Casper!!

  110. stevemotivateir on June 28th, 2012 9:48 pm

    Wells!!!

  111. Westside guy on June 28th, 2012 9:48 pm

    Okay, Smoak, don’t suck this time.

  112. msfanmike on June 28th, 2012 9:49 pm

    Atta baby – thats a start! Just need a bloop, now. And this is definitely the guy for that.

  113. Westside guy on June 28th, 2012 9:49 pm

    Oh, Lordy, Olivo is up next.

  114. Kyle Miller on June 28th, 2012 9:49 pm

    Pinch hit Jaso, pinch hit Jaso, PINCH HIT JASO

  115. Kyle Miller on June 28th, 2012 9:49 pm

    YEAH!

  116. Westside guy on June 28th, 2012 9:49 pm

    WEDGE!! WAY TO GO!!

  117. WTF_Ms on June 28th, 2012 9:50 pm

    Oh crap, the lineup is gonna get us here…I hope Wells don’t waste that double!

  118. msfanmike on June 28th, 2012 9:50 pm

    Sweet – Jaso!

    Come on, man … Get it done

  119. juneau_fan on June 28th, 2012 9:50 pm

    Oh, THANK THE GODS. If even Hendu is telling you to do it, don’t send Olivio out.

  120. Westside guy on June 28th, 2012 9:50 pm

    yeah! YEAH! YEAH!!!

  121. stevemotivateir on June 28th, 2012 9:50 pm

    WOWWWW!!!!!

  122. msfanmike on June 28th, 2012 9:50 pm

    Woohoo!

  123. crazyray7391 on June 28th, 2012 9:50 pm

    JASO!!!! Hell yeah!

  124. Kyle Miller on June 28th, 2012 9:51 pm

    JASOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

  125. stevemotivateir on June 28th, 2012 9:51 pm

    Jaso!!!

  126. WTF_Ms on June 28th, 2012 9:51 pm

    JASO!!!!!! finally, a Wedge decision paid off!

  127. henryv on June 28th, 2012 9:51 pm

    Jesus, Wells was out by nearly 20 feet.

  128. MrZDevotee on June 28th, 2012 9:51 pm

    Here I come to save the day!!!

    (perfect timing… TV on… Win.)

  129. Westside guy on June 28th, 2012 9:51 pm

    Good result, but I don’t know that sending Wells with no outs was a smart move.

  130. henryv on June 28th, 2012 9:52 pm

    One out, Westy.

  131. stevemotivateir on June 28th, 2012 9:52 pm

    What a crazy, great ending!

  132. MrZDevotee on June 28th, 2012 9:52 pm

    Westy/Mike/Anyone…

    So as a late comer– how bad is Guty, was there an update on him?

  133. Westside guy on June 28th, 2012 9:53 pm

    Oh! Okay, then never mind.

  134. crazyray7391 on June 28th, 2012 9:53 pm

    Well Mike, you got what you wanted…..an actual win. Go M’s!

  135. stevemotivateir on June 28th, 2012 9:53 pm

    Where’s the pie?

  136. californiamariner on June 28th, 2012 9:53 pm

    What a game!

  137. WTF_Ms on June 28th, 2012 9:53 pm

    I’m willing to send the Ghost at this point. Good way to pick up Felix, and 126 pitches!

  138. stevemotivateir on June 28th, 2012 9:54 pm

    No update yet, Z.

  139. Westside guy on June 28th, 2012 9:54 pm

    MrZ, I don’t think they’ve said anything about Guti yet.

  140. msfanmike on June 28th, 2012 9:55 pm

    Bad process (Datz) but good (lucky) result.

    Enjoy it Westy. I would rather be lucky than good.

  141. juneau_fan on June 28th, 2012 9:55 pm

    So sad on the radio side. Crowd reaction sounded like an away game. What was the head count tonight?

  142. djw on June 28th, 2012 9:57 pm

    Speaking of questionable decisions, what’s up with intentionally walking Smoak at this point? What is Valentine thinking there?

  143. crazyray7391 on June 28th, 2012 9:57 pm

    Juneau, the listed attendance was about 20,700

  144. stevemotivateir on June 28th, 2012 9:57 pm

    Jaso should have a pie delivered shortly.

  145. Westside guy on June 28th, 2012 9:58 pm

    Every time Jaso gets a big hit, I wonder – once again – why we don’t see more of him.

  146. kbarnhouse on June 28th, 2012 9:58 pm

    20,692 juneau

  147. crazyray7391 on June 28th, 2012 9:58 pm

    Maybe Valentine was thinking that there was no chance that Wedge would pinch hit Jaso there.

  148. stevemotivateir on June 28th, 2012 9:59 pm

    djw- DP. Valentine probably figured it was a safe bet, that Wedge would stick with Olivo.

  149. juneau_fan on June 28th, 2012 9:59 pm

    I’d hope 20K people could yell louder than that. Oh well, I was yelling here alone at home. Great game.

  150. stevemotivateir on June 28th, 2012 9:59 pm

    haha, we were thinking the same thing, Ray!

  151. Westside guy on June 28th, 2012 10:00 pm

    I must say I am quite happy with Wedge’s management of the ninth inning for once.

    And I’d say that even if Jaso had struck out. It was the right call.

  152. msfanmike on June 28th, 2012 10:01 pm

    MrZ – for context, Guti got cracked a lot harder than Wells did last yer pre-vertigo symptoms. Wells only git nicked. Guti git Hit Square and hard. Looked like somewhere between the cheekbone and the ear. Getting hit in the ear hole of the helmet really rings your bell. I can’t imagine how much it rings without the plastic helmet protecting you. Pick off throw probably traveling around 80mph.

  153. stevemotivateir on June 28th, 2012 10:01 pm

    I was researching the proposed trade of Gonzalez. There were a few, actually. The worst, was a three-way deal, that would have sent Felix to Boston. Worth noting, Boston proposed it, Z shot it down.

  154. kbarnhouse on June 28th, 2012 10:02 pm

    95% of the noise you heard was Kings Court

  155. msfanmike on June 28th, 2012 10:06 pm

    I like good, close games. 5-4; 4-3 is the perfect type of game IMO. I sure wish we could see some of those. This one run shit (vice Felix pitching) blows.

    Yes, that rhymes

  156. crazyray7391 on June 28th, 2012 10:07 pm

    Good Lord, listening to Hendu on the radio side can be brutal.

  157. stevemotivateir on June 28th, 2012 10:09 pm

    Listening to Sims is far worse!!

  158. msfanmike on June 28th, 2012 10:10 pm

    Crazy ray: it is hard for me to believe that Hendu gets paid to speak.

    You are not alone

  159. crazyray7391 on June 28th, 2012 10:12 pm

    Update on Guti is a mild concussion. He’ll be re-evaluated tomorrow

  160. crazyray7391 on June 28th, 2012 10:14 pm

    msfanmike: THANK YOU! I hear people complain about Sims all the time and I do agree that he can be tough to handle, but I want to throw my radio through a wall when Hendu is on. I never thought I’d say that I’d rather listen to “Red” over anybody, but I’d rather listen to him any day over Hendu.

  161. stevemotivateir on June 28th, 2012 10:19 pm

    I think you’re both crazy! I’d take Hendu over Sims any day. Worth noting, I’d vote ‘none of the above’ if those were options on a ballot.

  162. crazyray7391 on June 28th, 2012 10:21 pm

    Fair enough Steve. For me, I only watch games on TV once in a while so I don’t have to put up with Sims all the time.

  163. stevemotivateir on June 28th, 2012 10:24 pm

    I like the radio because of Rizzs. He makes it easier digest. Blowers is a bit dry, so the crap we’re fed from Sims, goes down real rough.

  164. crazyray7391 on June 28th, 2012 10:25 pm

    That would be interesting though. I wonder if I’d like listening to Hendu or just dead air with nothing but the sounds of the stadium more. Hmm

  165. Westside guy on June 28th, 2012 10:25 pm

    Given the possibilities, “mild concussion” doesn’t sound too bad. But we’ll have to see.

    Poor Guti can’t buy luck.

  166. crazyray7391 on June 28th, 2012 10:27 pm

    I agree Westside. I finally saw a replay of the throw that got Guti and that didn’t look good at all. I was actually worried he might have broken his jaw, or something like that. Mild concussion is actually a pretty good result to a horrible looking accident.

  167. stevemotivateir on June 28th, 2012 10:31 pm

    I’ve killed the volume plenty of times. Also opted for radio and dealt with the delay.

    Really funny hearing this ROOT cast discuss ear-flaps on helmets.

  168. Westside guy on June 28th, 2012 10:33 pm

    Hey, Geoff Baker mentioned something interesting.

    Apparently MLB has a new 7-day DL that is specifically targeted at concussions. Had you guys heard about that?

  169. stevemotivateir on June 28th, 2012 10:34 pm

    It’s actually real hard to break your jaw. One of the toughest bones in your body (maybe the toughest, actually). I attempted to do just that with a skinhead. Broke my hand instead. I’m sure Guti will be fine. He’ll probably need the better part of a week to recover, though.

  170. Westside guy on June 28th, 2012 10:36 pm

    To be fair, Steve… Skinheads have exceptionally thick skulls.

    There’s not much brain in there, so the bone naturally grows thicker. Nature abhors a vaccuum, as they say. Something has to fill all that empty space.

  171. stevemotivateir on June 28th, 2012 10:38 pm

    Interesting, Westy. I remember something being mentioned about it, didn’t know there was a 7 day DL for that. Wonder how they make that determination. Is a mild-concussion still classified as a concussion?

  172. stevemotivateir on June 28th, 2012 10:39 pm

    They don’t call them ‘boneheads’ for nothing!

  173. Westside guy on June 28th, 2012 10:39 pm

    Dammit, Steve. I’m a webmaster, not a doctor!

    (Props to Leonard “Bones” McCoy)

  174. crazyray7391 on June 28th, 2012 10:41 pm

    I know it isn’t easy to break your jaw. Just where the ball hit him and his exceptionally bad luck, I was fearing the worst.

    Sorry to hear about your hand. You at least won the fight right?

  175. msfanmike on June 28th, 2012 10:45 pm

    That 7 day DL is a good idea. A great idea, actually. I do not know why it is 15 days or bust for everything else, though. The minor leagues have had a 7 day DL for a very long time regardless of the specific injury.

    With that said, I think it will be good luck for us if Guti is only out for 7 days. The swelling alone will make it painful during the jarring associated with running for at least a few if not several – days.

  176. msfanmike on June 28th, 2012 10:49 pm

    Dont sell youself short: A webmaster, a baseball statistical savant, ‘Nostrawesty,’ the pied piper of gardening, a joker, a smoker and a midnight … blogger.

    Why not a doctor, too?,

  177. stevemotivateir on June 28th, 2012 10:50 pm

    No, I didn’t. It looked like I did, because I sent him backwards. The doctor’s bill(s) made it a loss.

  178. Westside guy on June 28th, 2012 10:51 pm

    Nostrawesty got the Wells home run prediction wrong… I mean the Wells pop-up prediction right!

  179. Westside guy on June 28th, 2012 10:52 pm

    In all seriousness, I am glad the various pro sports organizations are finally taking concussions seriously.

  180. stevemotivateir on June 28th, 2012 10:53 pm

    If they place Guti on a 7 day DL, I wonder who takes his place on the roster?

  181. stevemotivateir on June 28th, 2012 10:56 pm

    Totally agree, Westy. Especially in the NFL. Careers are short enough as they are, the last thing I wanna see, is someone injured for life.

  182. msfanmike on June 28th, 2012 10:59 pm

    Oh Steve … You know that somebody has just been Jonesing to have a reason to call up Peggy.

    I would go with Ford, personally. He can cover CF and the dude can motor. He only just recently came off his own DL, though. Probably not ready. They have proven they need four legitimate OF’s, so if a move has to be made, I hope they add someone who can field their position. Roster move would be required though.

  183. Westside guy on June 28th, 2012 11:00 pm

    Liddi doesn’t seem to have solved his strikeout problem, so it probably won’t be him.

  184. stevemotivateir on June 28th, 2012 11:02 pm

    I was looking at Ford’s line today, earlier in the game. Not bad. Didn’t look at his splits though.

  185. Westside guy on June 28th, 2012 11:03 pm

    When is Carp coming off the DL?

    Not that I want to see him anywhere near left field – I’m enjoying watching an actual competent trio of fielders!

  186. stevemotivateir on June 28th, 2012 11:04 pm

    Wells can play center, too, but Ford would still make more sense than Peguero. Wilson was named PCL player of the week, and hit well tonight, so maybe he gets the call?

  187. stevemotivateir on June 28th, 2012 11:05 pm

    There was something on the Mariners site the other day, suggesting Carp would be out a while yet.

  188. msfanmike on June 28th, 2012 11:35 pm

    Carp is going to go out in a rehab assignment after he heals his injury. I assume he won’t be back until after the all star break. Maybe even late July. Just a guess, though

  189. dnc on June 28th, 2012 11:37 pm

    “That 7 day DL is a good idea. A great idea, actually. I do not know why it is 15 days or bust for everything else, though. The minor leagues have had a 7 day DL for a very long time regardless of the specific injury.”

    I’m sure it’s to prevent roster shenanigans. If you had an off day coming up you could consistently “DL” one of your starting pitchers to give yourself an extra bench bat or reliever in between starts. I would assume they don’t do this in the minors because it’s understood that organizations are more concerned with developing talent than maneuvering for minor league victories.

    The concussion exemption is a good rule.

  190. Adam S on June 28th, 2012 11:45 pm

    The Gutierrez play at first looked sick watching it live.

    Was wondering about something as it happened and perhaps they said something on TV or radio. Why wasn’t he tagged out? He fell off the base, the ball was live, you can’t call time out with him off the base (can you?). If I’m the Red Sox, I feel bad but I’m trying to win a baseball game. Is this another one of those unwritten rules? I’m pretty sure I’ve seen injured players tagged out before.

  191. dnc on June 28th, 2012 11:48 pm

    Adam, I had the same question. Having watched the replay a few times, I”m pretty sure it was just a classy move on Gonzalez’s part. It’s possible the ump called time, but that seems unlikely.

    I don’t think it’s an unwritten rule. Just a nice gesture. My guess is if Guti just pulled up lame with a pulled hammy Gonzo tags him out, but since he felt partially (perhaps fully) responsible for the injury he let it go.

    Obviously, I’m assuming a lot here, but that’s how it appeared to me.

  192. Westside guy on June 28th, 2012 11:49 pm

    That’s an interesting question, Adam. I don’t recall hearing the broadcast crew talk about it though.

  193. Westside guy on June 28th, 2012 11:58 pm

    Okay, rule 5.10(c) says the umpire shall call time and the ball is dead “when an accident incapacitates a player or an umpire”.

    Not that this is news to most of you, but you can download a PDF of the current rules of baseball from mlb.com (I didn’t know that until now).

  194. msfanmike on June 29th, 2012 7:23 am

    @dnc: your reasoning is sound, so no arguments there, but I believe it would be difficult and/or self defeating for teams to manipulate the 7 day DL for a pitching staff when routine rest is 4 days (5 with a game day off). If teams did find a way to manipulate it to their benefit, I think the league could adequately administer and control/prevent it to a large extent.

    Maybe a minimum could be 10 days for pitchers to allay the potential for manipulation.

    I hate seeing teams have to play short handed with positional talent when they are uncertain how long a guy might be out. You see it all the time. A player is held out for a few to several days while the team contemplates a decision. It means they played at a disadvantage for several more games than they needed to. There are likely a lot of guys that are ready to get back after it with 7-10 days on the DL. With pitching staffs comprising 40% of a roster these days, it can really put a team in a bind.

    I would like to see the 7 day DL be a universal option and administered properly by the league

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