Game 116, Mariners at Angels

marc w · August 12, 2012 at 12:29 pm · Filed Under Mariners 

Jason Vargas vs. Jered Weaver, 12:35

Last night was fun, but today’s match-up’s obviously a tough one for the M’s. Wedge essentially repeats last night’s lefty-heavy line-up today, with Montero in the order in place of Miguel Olivo.

1: Ackley
2: Saunders
3: Seager
4: Jaso (DH)
5: Montero (C)
6: Carp
7: Thames
8: Robinson
9: Ryan
SP: Jason Vargas

[MiLB update:]
Andrew Carraway’s starting today for Tacoma at Memphis, and Taijuan Walker goes for Jackson. Jochi Ogando takes the hill for Pulaski and Jordan Shipers started for Clinton, though his day’s done after 8 batters.

[Update 2:]
Courtesy of Westside Guy in the comments, Franklin Gutierrez has had another setback in his recovery from a concussion. He’d been nearing a rehab start or two with the Everett Aquasox, but something obviously went wrong. I can’t say this is shocking, as he’s had a few setbacks already, but while the M’s are still hopeful he can play somewhere this season, I’m wondering if it wouldn’t be best to target the winter leagues instead. Guti picked up plantar fasciitis during his rehab for another injury, and hurt his oblique after returning from IBS last season; I think it might be advisable to rule out playing this year so his rehab can proceed at a more measured pace. Forget about rushing back to try to make some arbitrary deadline, Guti. Just get healthy. If you can.

Comments

169 Responses to “Game 116, Mariners at Angels”

  1. Westside guy on August 12th, 2012 12:33 pm

    It’s good to see Montero in the lineup in place of Olivo.

    I’m not super-happy about the outfield, but I suppose getting good long looks at guys is more important this year than maximizing what little chance we have at winning individual games. I just hate punting defense though.

    On a side note – there’s more bad news about Guti comes from Greg Johns.

  2. The_Waco_Kid on August 12th, 2012 12:34 pm

    You beat me to it, Westy. I feel so bad for him.

  3. Westside guy on August 12th, 2012 12:35 pm

    Me no speekee good English, apparently.

    I feel bad for him too, Waco.

  4. Westside guy on August 12th, 2012 12:43 pm

    The Angels should give Trout the day off. You don’t want to wear the kid out before the playoffs. ;-)

  5. Westside guy on August 12th, 2012 12:46 pm

    Wow. Pitching coach ejected after complaining about a pitch that was obviously a ball!?

    Good grief, I don’t care who’s pitching – they don’t deserve a wider strike zone just because of their name.

  6. Westside guy on August 12th, 2012 12:49 pm

    These fans are morons.

  7. Westside guy on August 12th, 2012 12:50 pm

    Good grief, I can’t believe Trout almost beat that out!!

  8. msfanmike on August 12th, 2012 12:51 pm

    I am guessing the Angels have a history of issues with this particular umpire when Weaver pitches. No logical explanation for a first inning ejection other than some past event. And, now the pitching Coach is in a “blue” mood.

  9. msfanmike on August 12th, 2012 12:53 pm

    Pujols 0-9 in the series. He had been hot and he will get hot again … Hopefully starting tomorrow.

  10. msfanmike on August 12th, 2012 12:55 pm

    Montero is noticeably less crouched in his stance

    And there it is! Boom!!

  11. Westside guy on August 12th, 2012 12:55 pm

    MONTY!!

    Fortunately just a few feet too far for Trout to reach…

  12. Westside guy on August 12th, 2012 12:56 pm

    Trout looked like he might’ve tweaked his arm on that play.

  13. Westside guy on August 12th, 2012 1:05 pm

    There goes the perfecto. ;-)

  14. Westside guy on August 12th, 2012 1:08 pm

    Urgh, Wells probably would’ve managed to keep Aybar on first.

  15. Westside guy on August 12th, 2012 1:19 pm

    Mistake by Carp – he should’ve stepped on first before throwing to second.

  16. Westside guy on August 12th, 2012 1:20 pm

    Haha, Trout isn’t perfect!

    (gotta take consolation where you can)

  17. vetted_coach on August 12th, 2012 1:25 pm

    I’d like to hear Eric Wedge articulate (it means “clearly explain”, Skip) what Mike Saunders and Eric Thames do, both offensively and defensively, to maintain their edge over Casper Wells. Without using the phrase, “it is what it is.” Thames is a DH who butchers the outfield. Saunders is an ordinary fielder with decent speed who gets up in the morning grounding out to 2B.

    In exchange for his own rationalization I will freely offer my own definition of “blockhead.”

  18. msfanmike on August 12th, 2012 1:27 pm

    Good job by Vargas to get out of that mess.

  19. Westside guy on August 12th, 2012 1:28 pm

    Yeah, that inning could’ve gotten real ugly.

  20. msfanmike on August 12th, 2012 1:36 pm

    Coming into today, against Weaver:

    Saunders is 4-11 lifetime
    Wells 1-3
    Robinson 1-3
    Thames 0-1

    I would have gone with Wells over Thames today – for defensive value. Offensively, there was not enough data to decide, but Wells is the better overall player regardless of handedness. Wells has been struggling as much as anybody, but I thought Thames needed a day off.

    We shall see. Thames may knock one out today. Wells does seem to have a rather short leash, though. Not sure why.

  21. terryoftacoma on August 12th, 2012 1:46 pm

    I think it’s a case of they know what they have in Wells and want to see what they have in Robinson and Thames.

  22. vetted_coach on August 12th, 2012 1:47 pm

    I concur with every bit of that. If Saunders doesn’t look like a guy who needs a rest, no one ever will.

  23. stevemotivateir on August 12th, 2012 1:47 pm

    Thames kind of seems like another Mike Wilson.

  24. stevemotivateir on August 12th, 2012 1:50 pm

    He said he felt Thames needs a day off, not Saunders. But Saunders could probably use a day himself.

  25. msfanmike on August 12th, 2012 1:52 pm

    Robinson is infinitely more watchable than Peguero. At least for me, he is.

    We sure seem to have cornered the market on 4th/5th outfielder types, though.

  26. terryoftacoma on August 12th, 2012 1:55 pm

    Damn saw that one coming.

  27. Westside guy on August 12th, 2012 1:59 pm

    If Wedge gives Saunders a day off, he might just put Trayvon in center and Figgins in left – be careful what you wish for! :-D

  28. msfanmike on August 12th, 2012 2:00 pm

    Thames does seem kinda like a LH version of Mike Wilson. Fortunately for him 2/3 of starting pitchers are right handed. He might be a bit better in the OF too, but i never did see enough of Wilson to know for sure. Pretty good comp though, Steve.

    And, I would much rather have thames than League.

    This team needs Guti in a bad way – and yes, I heard the health update in him.

    Nice play be Seager and Carp!

  29. henryv on August 12th, 2012 2:00 pm

    So, here are the conditions in which the M’s can’t hit:

    Safeco in Spring
    Spring
    Safeco
    Any place with air and/or gravity

  30. Westside guy on August 12th, 2012 2:00 pm

    WOW!

    Great play, and – Trout is absurdly fast.

  31. vetted_coach on August 12th, 2012 2:00 pm

    Weaver is very good today. Might start swinging earlier in the count.

    And Robinson is in a whole different class than Peguero. Robinson can do enough things to qualify at least as a decent 4th outfielder. With Peguero, it’s either connect consistently with power, or go home.

  32. msfanmike on August 12th, 2012 2:01 pm

    “by”

    Great call by the umpire, too.

  33. stevemotivateir on August 12th, 2012 2:03 pm

    No kidding, Mike! Wells, Robinson, Peguero, Thames, Wilson, Carp(?), bleh. Wells is clearly the best of those, but probably not more than a 4th. An argument could be made for Guti to have that spot. I don’t see how this team can start next season without at least one new face for the outfield. Two would be better.

  34. stevemotivateir on August 12th, 2012 2:05 pm

    Thames was traded for Delabar, not League. That doesn’t mean you can’t like Thames more than League, though;)

  35. vetted_coach on August 12th, 2012 2:07 pm

    Sure glad they didn’t trade Vargas. And this team needs several new faces. After Guti, they don’t have a better outfielder than Wells. If he ends up being a true #4, it means they’ve added two very good outfielders.

  36. henryv on August 12th, 2012 2:08 pm

    Robinson’s career strike out rate is not that much better than Peguero’s.

    And to add to that, he has basically no power.

    Offensively they aren’t that much different in value. The only real extra value Treyvon has is in the defense. But given his arm isn’t very good, he can’t really play right.

    I think that Treyvon’s ceiling is a AAAA 4th outfielder. Especially given that his fundamentals (O-Swing, O-contact and Z-contact) aren’t very good.

  37. stevemotivateir on August 12th, 2012 2:09 pm

    Robinson led Tacoma in K’s (at the time he was called-up). Peguero probably would have if he had enough AB’s. I’d rather pass on both.

  38. Westside guy on August 12th, 2012 2:11 pm

    Montero does it again!!

  39. terryoftacoma on August 12th, 2012 2:12 pm

    Well at least Montero knows how to hit Weaver!

  40. Westside guy on August 12th, 2012 2:13 pm

    Monty and Jaso – our only offense today…

  41. henryv on August 12th, 2012 2:13 pm

    I know Dave isn’t big into Michael Bourne, but I’d still see if you can get him around 12M a year for 2 or 3.

  42. henryv on August 12th, 2012 2:13 pm

    FIGGINS POWER!

  43. Westside guy on August 12th, 2012 2:14 pm

    Haha – Figgins joins the party!

  44. stevemotivateir on August 12th, 2012 2:14 pm

    Wonder if there will be some off-season first base reps for Monty? Wouldn’t surprise me.

  45. stevemotivateir on August 12th, 2012 2:15 pm

    So who’s playing first now? (this game)

  46. Westside guy on August 12th, 2012 2:15 pm

    Could be, Steve.

    Right now I’m hoping Carp is okay.

  47. terryoftacoma on August 12th, 2012 2:16 pm

    Be prepared for the infield shift this inning. Ackley to first and Seager to second is my guess.

  48. Westside guy on August 12th, 2012 2:16 pm

    I’d like to see Figgins play first here, but I suspect he’ll be at third and everyone will shift.

  49. stevemotivateir on August 12th, 2012 2:17 pm

    I’m assuming Ackley and Seager shift, Figgins takes third.

  50. stevemotivateir on August 12th, 2012 2:17 pm

    We gotta stop doing that Westy!

  51. msfanmike on August 12th, 2012 2:17 pm

    … And Montero is still 4 years away from entering the average prime year starting point. If he can hit Weaver, he can hit other righties. Liking his less crouched stance – a lot. Good adjustment.

    Yes, for Delabar … My mistake.

    Figgins PH for Carp … And it worked. I assume Ackley is going to 1B, now? Interesting time to go with a defensive reduction all around. Carp has been playing good defense. I wonder if he got hurt. I hope it doesn’t end up taking a “wedge” out of our asses.

  52. stevemotivateir on August 12th, 2012 2:18 pm

    Man I wish we still had Smoak.

  53. henryv on August 12th, 2012 2:19 pm

    Thames defense is… awkward.

  54. Westside guy on August 12th, 2012 2:20 pm

    Haha Steve, you KNEW I’d never say that! ;-)

  55. stevemotivateir on August 12th, 2012 2:20 pm

    I couldn’t keep a straight face when I wrote that :P

  56. henryv on August 12th, 2012 2:21 pm

    I was kinda hoping Vargas would go over to first (seeing as he is better hitting than Figgy) and have Figgins pitch.

  57. Westside guy on August 12th, 2012 2:21 pm

    Hehehe Henry

  58. vetted_coach on August 12th, 2012 2:21 pm

    (What happened to Mike Carp was that he got four straight fast balls and couldn’t square one up.)

    Figgins looked safe to me. Rewound and watched 4 times including one frame-by-frame. Questionable call for sure.

    But Weaver was challenging everyone, and Montero shoved it up his rear. That was sweet.

  59. Westside guy on August 12th, 2012 2:23 pm

    I like Larry LaRue’s nickname for Thames – “Adventure”. It describes his fielding very well.

  60. henryv on August 12th, 2012 2:23 pm

    BTW, Vargas’ career WAR from offense is 0.8. Smoak is at -0.8. So, yeah.

  61. henryv on August 12th, 2012 2:24 pm

    If players are getting pulled off the field for the M’s for not squaring up fastballs, we’re not going to be able to field 9 by the middle of the 5th.

  62. stevemotivateir on August 12th, 2012 2:25 pm

    Smoak is only -0.8? Figured it was worse!

  63. henryv on August 12th, 2012 2:26 pm

    Remember he had a really good month last year. Something like 1.5 WAR in a month.

  64. Westside guy on August 12th, 2012 2:26 pm

    I don’t remember Monty’s first homer – but his second one, as well as Jaso’s hit, came off a changeup.

  65. henryv on August 12th, 2012 2:28 pm

    Is the Felix commercial the only one with players still on the team?

  66. stevemotivateir on August 12th, 2012 2:28 pm

    Ackley has one Henry

  67. henryv on August 12th, 2012 2:28 pm

    Montero’s first HR appears to be from a straight fastball right down the middle.

  68. terryoftacoma on August 12th, 2012 2:29 pm

    Nope. They still have Ackley’s

  69. msfanmike on August 12th, 2012 2:31 pm

    Smoak had 4 errors after his first 15 games in tacoma after his demotion. And he was hitting right around .200.

    I know he had a couple doubles last night, though. Possibly against a AAA 5th starter? I can’t really think of another good explanation.

    vargo is working it!

  70. henryv on August 12th, 2012 2:32 pm

    Ackley’s commercial includes Smoak, if I recall right.

  71. Westside guy on August 12th, 2012 2:32 pm

    They could still run the Brendan Ryan commercial – just do some post-processing and replace Ichiro with Thames. ;-)

  72. Westside guy on August 12th, 2012 2:33 pm

    Thames could be “Big Adventure” and Trayvon “Lil Adventure”.

    If Peguero comes back up, he’d be “Hulking Adventure”.

  73. henryv on August 12th, 2012 2:33 pm

    Nope, nevermind. Just coaches, and some players way in the background.

  74. henryv on August 12th, 2012 2:35 pm

    I’m annoyed they can’t really do Ryan’s commercial any more. His De Niro impression is nothing short of incredible.

  75. stevemotivateir on August 12th, 2012 2:35 pm

    With Trayvon, Peguero, and Thames, they could do another version of the Three Stooges.

  76. henryv on August 12th, 2012 2:36 pm

    Now comes the problem with this line-up. So many lefties…

  77. Westside guy on August 12th, 2012 2:36 pm

    Given the organization, I’m surprised they haven’t replaced those other commercials with 2010 Griffey commercials.

  78. msfanmike on August 12th, 2012 2:36 pm

    What would you call Olivo – Multi Adventure?

    El Mundo Adventurismo.

    Muy Feo Adventura’

    Help me Steve.

  79. henryv on August 12th, 2012 2:36 pm

    Very nice, Steve. I laughed.

    But surely Olivo could fit in there somewhere, too.

  80. henryv on August 12th, 2012 2:37 pm

    Bringing back some old commercials would actually be great.

    Lou as a shrink, and Randy as a knife thrower were great.

  81. terryoftacoma on August 12th, 2012 2:38 pm

    There were four Larry, Moe, Curly Joe And Shemp. haha

  82. stevemotivateir on August 12th, 2012 2:39 pm

    Muitas Aventuras

  83. msfanmike on August 12th, 2012 2:39 pm

    Condor is hitting like a hummingbird.

    Time for an elasticity refresh on those bands.

  84. terryoftacoma on August 12th, 2012 2:41 pm

    If Wedge believed in pitch hitting that would have been a good spot for Wells to hit.. If..

  85. stevemotivateir on August 12th, 2012 2:41 pm

    Yes, there’s plenty to fill those parts, but I figured I’d stick with the outfield for now. Figgin and Olivo would certainly be deserving.

  86. Westside guy on August 12th, 2012 2:42 pm

    Figgins and Olivo could be Laurel and Hardy.

  87. msfanmike on August 12th, 2012 2:42 pm

    What the fuck kind of swing was that from Saunders?

    I think it was the kind that automatically buys some time off. Zero pitch recognition – and he dropped the bat moreso than “swing” the bat. Maybe his worst swing of the year.

    I’m thinking my shoe and gastrointestinal workings are safe, now

  88. stevemotivateir on August 12th, 2012 2:44 pm

    Haha, way to jinx yourself!

  89. henryv on August 12th, 2012 2:44 pm

    Wow, I knew that Melky Cabrera was having a good season, but he’s having a hell of a season.

    Probably just earned himself a big contract.

    Wonder what you could get Sizemore for. Maybe a low-risk free agent.

  90. stevemotivateir on August 12th, 2012 2:46 pm

    Mike and I were discussing that a bit the other day, Henry. Cabrera has put up great numbers the last two years. And SF hasn’t been much more friendly of a place to hit than Safeco.

  91. msfanmike on August 12th, 2012 2:46 pm

    Sizemore and Guti could keep each other company during perpetual rehab, if nothing else.

  92. henryv on August 12th, 2012 2:47 pm

    Okay, no more Vargas please.

    Pryor, Capps, Kelly, freaking something else.

  93. vetted_coach on August 12th, 2012 2:47 pm

    Saunders flat out stinks right now. If Wedge continues to bat him in the 2-hole and feature him against LHP, he is flat out stupid. And Z should share the credit.

    Mike Carp – right hip stiffness. In other words, he couldn’t hit the fastball.

  94. henryv on August 12th, 2012 2:48 pm

    Save on gas money and have them carpool between Seattle, Everett and Tacoma.

  95. terryoftacoma on August 12th, 2012 2:49 pm

    Don’t hold back VC. Tell us what you really think.

  96. stevemotivateir on August 12th, 2012 2:49 pm

    Never thought of that til now, Mike…. Sizemore and Guti, both from Cleveland, both with multiple health issues. Wonder if they shared a room while Guti was there? (kidding)

  97. Westside guy on August 12th, 2012 2:49 pm

    Sweet double play!

  98. msfanmike on August 12th, 2012 2:49 pm

    Oh my – huge!!!!!

  99. henryv on August 12th, 2012 2:49 pm

    Z is now getting blamed for Saunders only being league average?

    Man, must be rough.

  100. msfanmike on August 12th, 2012 2:51 pm

    Guti and Sizemore were once teammates in Cleveland. Guti was available for trade – in large part – because of Sizemore.

    Ironic.

  101. terryoftacoma on August 12th, 2012 2:53 pm

    Wells has only played 19 games in center for his career.

  102. henryv on August 12th, 2012 2:53 pm

    Wow, Saunders BABIP in August is .160 with 60% LD and FB.

    That is impressive bad luck.

  103. Westside guy on August 12th, 2012 2:54 pm

    A third home run would go really nice here, Monty.

  104. stevemotivateir on August 12th, 2012 2:54 pm

    Saunders was drafted Bavasi era, wasn’t he?

  105. msfanmike on August 12th, 2012 2:54 pm

    Carp probably hurt his hip stretching for a ball at 1B – don’t you think? He almost did the splits a few timea this road trip. I almost pulled a groin muscle watching it. I have no problem believing he has tweaked his hip. And, that being his front leg – it would definitely impact his swing.

  106. terryoftacoma on August 12th, 2012 2:55 pm

    Yup, Steve, he was.

  107. henryv on August 12th, 2012 2:56 pm

    Vargas’ career OPS is higher than Figgins last 3 years.

  108. stevemotivateir on August 12th, 2012 2:57 pm

    Screw it, blame Jack for Carp’s injury too.

  109. msfanmike on August 12th, 2012 2:57 pm

    I think Saunders was drafted in ’04 … As a 3B, believe it or not.

    Way before Z’s tenure.

  110. henryv on August 12th, 2012 2:57 pm

    Saunders wasn’t drafted.

    He was hatched.

  111. Westside guy on August 12th, 2012 2:58 pm

    Vargas is actually a decent hitter.

  112. Westside guy on August 12th, 2012 2:59 pm

    Oh Trout – that’s just not fair.

  113. stevemotivateir on August 12th, 2012 2:59 pm

    haha Henry

  114. msfanmike on August 12th, 2012 2:59 pm

    Hit it near the wrong guy. A bullet, too.

    Damn, we needed that to fall.

  115. terryoftacoma on August 12th, 2012 2:59 pm

    You don’t hit into the Trout pond people.

  116. henryv on August 12th, 2012 2:59 pm

    Mike Scioscia FEARS THE BEARD!

  117. Kazinski on August 12th, 2012 3:00 pm

    I thought Montero couldn’t hit righties. He is getting some good contact today.

  118. henryv on August 12th, 2012 3:00 pm

    Do you think that given the number of runs the M’s normally score that he thinks he’s on a hockey team, and it’s the playoffs?

  119. Westside guy on August 12th, 2012 3:01 pm

    Man, I realize this isn’t exactly news, but -

    Mike Trout is scary good, offensively AND defensively. He probably should get the MVP.

  120. Westside guy on August 12th, 2012 3:01 pm

    FIGGY!!!!!!!

  121. terryoftacoma on August 12th, 2012 3:02 pm

    Figgins?!!!! I’ll take it!!

  122. henryv on August 12th, 2012 3:02 pm

    I thought Montero couldn’t hit righties. He is getting some good contact today.

    Blind squirrels and nuts.

    See: Chone Figgins triple.

  123. msfanmike on August 12th, 2012 3:03 pm

    Angel killer, Chone Figgins!!!

    That must feel great for him.

  124. henryv on August 12th, 2012 3:03 pm

    I have Wilhelmson on my fantasy team. Would like that save.

  125. Kazinski on August 12th, 2012 3:03 pm

    I realize Figgins isn’t a kid, but maybe he should be getting more playing time if Thames and Robinson are the alternative.

  126. terryoftacoma on August 12th, 2012 3:03 pm

    Figgins likes to hit in this park.. Want him back?

  127. henryv on August 12th, 2012 3:03 pm

    Angel killer, Chone Figgins!!!

    That must feel great for him.

    I’ve always thought that Figgins was a Angels mole, and was sent here to ruin us.

  128. Westside guy on August 12th, 2012 3:04 pm

    Jesus Montero is only 22 – I wouldn’t make any final decisions on his ability to hit righties, yet.

  129. msfanmike on August 12th, 2012 3:05 pm

    Dammit – needed to get that runner in from 3B, Thames.

  130. henryv on August 12th, 2012 3:05 pm

    No, but he’s shown that he’s not ready to do it reliably, yet.

  131. stevemotivateir on August 12th, 2012 3:06 pm

    If Montero can learn to hit righties consistently, he’ll be one of the elite bats in the league.

  132. vetted_coach on August 12th, 2012 3:07 pm

    You guys are brutal.

    Of course Z didn’t draft Saunders. But if his manager continues to run the guy out there, and your the GM, you could be expected to intervene at some point.

    Enough cheap shots.

    And if Carp is really injured, I’ll sell you s bridge in New York.

  133. Kazinski on August 12th, 2012 3:08 pm

    Blind squirrels and nuts.

    I don’t know. Montero’s last 30 days, not including today in 104 PA:
    .344/.404/.452

    Fangraphs doesn’t do partial season slits for RH/LH but at least some of that has to be against RH pitching.

  134. terryoftacoma on August 12th, 2012 3:08 pm

    Oh, oh. Figgy’s 2-2. He’ll start tomorrow.

  135. msfanmike on August 12th, 2012 3:10 pm

    Vargas comes out for the 9th? Surprising.

    Lucky break on that Trumbo LD.

  136. msfanmike on August 12th, 2012 3:11 pm

    Relief – now!!!

    Good.

  137. Westside guy on August 12th, 2012 3:11 pm

    Come on, Michael – Trout would’ve caught that…

  138. msfanmike on August 12th, 2012 3:13 pm

    Whatever it is you are selling, I am sure there will be people lined up to buy it.

    Maybe Carp hurt his hip practicing being the relay on throws to 2B

    He is hurt. Are you ever wrong, pal?

    Go away.

  139. stevemotivateir on August 12th, 2012 3:14 pm

    Cheap shots? Quit talking like you know it all, and people won’t pick apart the stupid things you say.

    You seem to have a thing for blasting Saunders. Right now, he’s under-performing, but he’s been one the best outfielder we’ve had this season. Kicking him while he’s down right now, is more of a cheap shot, than any of the rebuttals thrown your way.

  140. vetted_coach on August 12th, 2012 3:14 pm

    Trout isn’t the only CF who could have caught that ball. Sorry – but Saunders is an average CF at best. Middle of the pack at best. I’ve nevr seen him make a tough catch going back. And neither have you.

  141. henryv on August 12th, 2012 3:14 pm

    You know, the 3B and CF/RF free agent crop might not be great, but there is some stuff to be had to add on.

    And then there are some sexy, sexy SP but they’re probably all looking at 5 years/100+.

  142. Westside guy on August 12th, 2012 3:15 pm

    If the choice is Olivo or Montero going against a righty – I think Monty should get most of the at bats. He’s certainly better than Miggy against them.

    As long as Jaso is in the lineup, of course.

  143. Westside guy on August 12th, 2012 3:16 pm

    Actually I have seen Saunders make tough catches going back, VC. I’ve also seen him rob a home run similar to how Trout did.

    He’s not Trout – he’s not Guti – but he’s the best CF we’ve got right now.

  144. msfanmike on August 12th, 2012 3:17 pm

    Hey, Saunders just made a tough catch going backward to end the game.

    Did you see that one?

  145. terryoftacoma on August 12th, 2012 3:17 pm

    I concur Steve but I don’t think that will change anything.

  146. stevemotivateir on August 12th, 2012 3:18 pm

    Saunders has made many great catches. You’re just talking out your ass now.

  147. vetted_coach on August 12th, 2012 3:19 pm

    I don’t have a “thing” for anything but knowing the game of baseball. None of my shots are cheap. They’re all qualified, well thought out objective observations.

    IfI sound like I know what I’m talking about, it’s because I know what I’m talking about.

    You’re just ticked off because you didn’t agre with my analysis of Carp’s defense. But my analysis was accurate. I wore the uniform for over 35 years.

    Relax and deal with it. I never get prrsonal. Grow up.

  148. terryoftacoma on August 12th, 2012 3:19 pm

    Good game team!! Tomorrow we face the Rays.

  149. Westside guy on August 12th, 2012 3:19 pm

    “Now”, Steve?

  150. Westside guy on August 12th, 2012 3:20 pm

    “I never get personal”

    “Grow up”

    Right next to each other? You really don’t see the disconnect there, VC?

  151. vetted_coach on August 12th, 2012 3:22 pm

    That last catch by Saunders was nice. But not “tough” by any stretch. Routine for a competant mlb CF. Please!

  152. stevemotivateir on August 12th, 2012 3:23 pm

    What you don’t get, VC, is that you’re both arrogant and naive. You think you know it all, have an answer and explanation for everything, but you’re often wrong. So you come off looking like a fool, but you’re too stupid to realize it.

  153. Westside guy on August 12th, 2012 3:23 pm

    Hey guys, let’s not forget that the Mariners just took two out of three from the Angels – and that was after losing the Felix start!

  154. henryv on August 12th, 2012 3:23 pm

    Well, Coach, start your own blog, and post there. But you act arrogant, dismissive, and a lot of the things you say can be proven to be incorrect.

    So, get along with everyone without the arrogant attitude, or just go some place else.

  155. stevemotivateir on August 12th, 2012 3:24 pm

    I never said anything about your “analysis” of Carp’s defense, either. You’re just making shit up. I can’t actually watch the games right now. I’m dependent on gameday.

  156. terryoftacoma on August 12th, 2012 3:25 pm

    Give up Steve. If you disagree with his analysis you’re wrong and he’ll never see it differently.

  157. stevemotivateir on August 12th, 2012 3:26 pm

    haha, wouldn’t life be easier, if we could just believe we’re right all the time?!

  158. Kazinski on August 12th, 2012 3:26 pm

    They just showed it on the postgame, Montero’s last 7 games against RH pitching:

    .462 avg, .692 slg.

    That isn’t sustainable, but it is encouraging.

  159. msfanmike on August 12th, 2012 3:27 pm

    What was the analysis of Carps defense, again?

    You said he was pulled because he could not get around on the fastball.

    You know, there are a lot of people around here who played, coached, officiated – who are not perpetually providing their resume nor were they compelled to include a mini version of it within their user name.

    I am very much looking forward to your next info relay on fastballs rising, 1B cutoff rotations and head trainer injury expertise

    We are all wrong. Only you have the right answers. You defy us all. You defy replay. Hell, you may even defy gravity.

    You were not kidding about the fact you would bloviate when you joined several weeks ago, You nailed that one – and now we are all better off.

  160. vetted_coach on August 12th, 2012 3:29 pm

    Westside,

    I have never personally gone after anyone. Only defended myself from random emotional shots.

    And, yes, I think “grow up” accurately connects with the tantrums I have fielded from people who find my comments aggressive. But they’re never personal or exaggerated.

    I’ve been associated with the game on a professional level since 1981, so I do know what I’m talking about. And I never throw that around unless someone goes off emotionally and attacks me personally.

  161. wilchiro on August 12th, 2012 3:30 pm

    I know I’m being pretty optimistic here, but let’s say the M’s took two of three from Tampa Bay, swept the Twins, and took two of three from Cleveland, they could potentially be 60-65 heading to Chicago. That doesn’t look too bad and it doesn’t seem impossible.

  162. vetted_coach on August 12th, 2012 3:33 pm

    Again, mike, you misread what I said. Not the first time.

    Carps defense on the Aybar tag-up was poor. it cost a run. My analysis of it was accurate. That’s what I referred to.

    The injury thing was a whole different conversation.

    It’s a stretch to accuse me of “acting” like anything. You can’t back it up with anything concrete. I express my opinions just like everyone else. Everyone else. Mine are just more extreme and more assertive. Big deal.

  163. Westside guy on August 12th, 2012 3:34 pm

    Wilchiro, you’re right – you’re being pretty optimistic. ;-)

    But still, I like it.

    See y’all later.

  164. stevemotivateir on August 12th, 2012 3:35 pm

    VC, have you not noticed that you’re having trouble getting along with everyone here? You think your comments are defensive, but you fail to see that many of your comments are insulting to the rest of us. You talk as if we couldn’t possibly know, but you do. Think about that for a minute.

    You think you’re the only one with extensive baseball experience? A lot of us have played the game and coached. Doesn’t matter how long you’ve been involved anyway. I’ve known plenty of idiots with extensive careers, and plenty of brilliant young players/coaches as well. There’s a place for everyone, somewhere.

    We’re all Mariner fans, right? We’re all on this site for good reasons, right? Try to be a little more careful with your words and you’ll get along with everyone here just fine.

  165. msfanmike on August 12th, 2012 3:39 pm

    Maybe VC is really DC – having a great time trolling everyone.

    Now that would be funny!

  166. stevemotivateir on August 12th, 2012 3:47 pm

    If you missed something about Carp’s defense Mike, so did I, and everyone else. I can’t find anything regarding that. Not in this thread anyway.

    It would be funny if that was Dave! I doubt it, though. How many times has he had to address people like that? I can imagine how annoying it would be for him, as he gets the worst of it.

    One thing I think everyone can agree on, is that this outfield stinks. None of the outfielders are hitting worth a damn and two are pretty terrible in the field. I think Saunders is the best of the group, and I don’t think he or Wells should go, but there is a dire need to obtain more depth. We can probably limp through this season, but man, it’s difficult to watch sometimes. Of course winning makes it a little easier ;)

  167. msfanmike on August 12th, 2012 4:11 pm

    We need Wells and Saunders to be productive, offensively. When they are, the OF is above “passable”. When they aren’t …

    They are both in a slump and maybe they wil both come out of it at around the same time. There is no one, single, productive stabilizing force in the OF. Everyone knows it. Not sure what th team will do about it, though. Attempting to convert infielders into outfielders isnt the answer. Completely different skillsets involved.

    Saunders is having a hard time with pitch recognition right now. Maybe the old adage regarding the “dog days of August” is ringing true with him. He needs a mental break if nothing else, but he is too good defensively to not play. Better as a LF than a CF, but he is the best CF we have.

    Come on Neon Leon! … I guess. He’s only 3 levels away.

  168. stevemotivateir on August 12th, 2012 4:38 pm

    @Kazinski

    What Montero’s been doing lately against RHP is certainly encouraging. I really believe he can be one of the top bats in the league, if he can do it consistently. At 22, hard to complain with how he’s coming along -with the bat.

  169. samregens on August 12th, 2012 7:26 pm

    I suspect that vetted_coach is in no way DC, but might actually be Casper Wells’ mom or some relative.

    This would explain nicely why he/she always seems to try to lavishly praise Wells for anything, while badmouthing Saunders and the other outfielders.

    Go Saunders.

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