Game 116, Mariners at Angels

marc w · August 12, 2012 at 12:29 pm · Filed Under Mariners 

Jason Vargas vs. Jered Weaver, 12:35

Last night was fun, but today’s match-up’s obviously a tough one for the M’s. Wedge essentially repeats last night’s lefty-heavy line-up today, with Montero in the order in place of Miguel Olivo.

1: Ackley
2: Saunders
3: Seager
4: Jaso (DH)
5: Montero (C)
6: Carp
7: Thames
8: Robinson
9: Ryan
SP: Jason Vargas

[MiLB update:]
Andrew Carraway’s starting today for Tacoma at Memphis, and Taijuan Walker goes for Jackson. Jochi Ogando takes the hill for Pulaski and Jordan Shipers started for Clinton, though his day’s done after 8 batters.

[Update 2:]
Courtesy of Westside Guy in the comments, Franklin Gutierrez has had another setback in his recovery from a concussion. He’d been nearing a rehab start or two with the Everett Aquasox, but something obviously went wrong. I can’t say this is shocking, as he’s had a few setbacks already, but while the M’s are still hopeful he can play somewhere this season, I’m wondering if it wouldn’t be best to target the winter leagues instead. Guti picked up plantar fasciitis during his rehab for another injury, and hurt his oblique after returning from IBS last season; I think it might be advisable to rule out playing this year so his rehab can proceed at a more measured pace. Forget about rushing back to try to make some arbitrary deadline, Guti. Just get healthy. If you can.


169 Responses to “Game 116, Mariners at Angels”

  1. vetted_coach on August 12th, 2012 3:22 pm

    That last catch by Saunders was nice. But not “tough” by any stretch. Routine for a competant mlb CF. Please!

  2. stevemotivateir on August 12th, 2012 3:23 pm

    What you don’t get, VC, is that you’re both arrogant and naive. You think you know it all, have an answer and explanation for everything, but you’re often wrong. So you come off looking like a fool, but you’re too stupid to realize it.

  3. Westside guy on August 12th, 2012 3:23 pm

    Hey guys, let’s not forget that the Mariners just took two out of three from the Angels – and that was after losing the Felix start!

  4. henryv on August 12th, 2012 3:23 pm

    Well, Coach, start your own blog, and post there. But you act arrogant, dismissive, and a lot of the things you say can be proven to be incorrect.

    So, get along with everyone without the arrogant attitude, or just go some place else.

  5. stevemotivateir on August 12th, 2012 3:24 pm

    I never said anything about your “analysis” of Carp’s defense, either. You’re just making shit up. I can’t actually watch the games right now. I’m dependent on gameday.

  6. terryoftacoma on August 12th, 2012 3:25 pm

    Give up Steve. If you disagree with his analysis you’re wrong and he’ll never see it differently.

  7. stevemotivateir on August 12th, 2012 3:26 pm

    haha, wouldn’t life be easier, if we could just believe we’re right all the time?!

  8. Kazinski on August 12th, 2012 3:26 pm

    They just showed it on the postgame, Montero’s last 7 games against RH pitching:

    .462 avg, .692 slg.

    That isn’t sustainable, but it is encouraging.

  9. msfanmike on August 12th, 2012 3:27 pm

    What was the analysis of Carps defense, again?

    You said he was pulled because he could not get around on the fastball.

    You know, there are a lot of people around here who played, coached, officiated – who are not perpetually providing their resume nor were they compelled to include a mini version of it within their user name.

    I am very much looking forward to your next info relay on fastballs rising, 1B cutoff rotations and head trainer injury expertise

    We are all wrong. Only you have the right answers. You defy us all. You defy replay. Hell, you may even defy gravity.

    You were not kidding about the fact you would bloviate when you joined several weeks ago, You nailed that one – and now we are all better off.

  10. vetted_coach on August 12th, 2012 3:29 pm


    I have never personally gone after anyone. Only defended myself from random emotional shots.

    And, yes, I think “grow up” accurately connects with the tantrums I have fielded from people who find my comments aggressive. But they’re never personal or exaggerated.

    I’ve been associated with the game on a professional level since 1981, so I do know what I’m talking about. And I never throw that around unless someone goes off emotionally and attacks me personally.

  11. wilchiro on August 12th, 2012 3:30 pm

    I know I’m being pretty optimistic here, but let’s say the M’s took two of three from Tampa Bay, swept the Twins, and took two of three from Cleveland, they could potentially be 60-65 heading to Chicago. That doesn’t look too bad and it doesn’t seem impossible.

  12. vetted_coach on August 12th, 2012 3:33 pm

    Again, mike, you misread what I said. Not the first time.

    Carps defense on the Aybar tag-up was poor. it cost a run. My analysis of it was accurate. That’s what I referred to.

    The injury thing was a whole different conversation.

    It’s a stretch to accuse me of “acting” like anything. You can’t back it up with anything concrete. I express my opinions just like everyone else. Everyone else. Mine are just more extreme and more assertive. Big deal.

  13. Westside guy on August 12th, 2012 3:34 pm

    Wilchiro, you’re right – you’re being pretty optimistic. 😉

    But still, I like it.

    See y’all later.

  14. stevemotivateir on August 12th, 2012 3:35 pm

    VC, have you not noticed that you’re having trouble getting along with everyone here? You think your comments are defensive, but you fail to see that many of your comments are insulting to the rest of us. You talk as if we couldn’t possibly know, but you do. Think about that for a minute.

    You think you’re the only one with extensive baseball experience? A lot of us have played the game and coached. Doesn’t matter how long you’ve been involved anyway. I’ve known plenty of idiots with extensive careers, and plenty of brilliant young players/coaches as well. There’s a place for everyone, somewhere.

    We’re all Mariner fans, right? We’re all on this site for good reasons, right? Try to be a little more careful with your words and you’ll get along with everyone here just fine.

  15. msfanmike on August 12th, 2012 3:39 pm

    Maybe VC is really DC – having a great time trolling everyone.

    Now that would be funny!

  16. stevemotivateir on August 12th, 2012 3:47 pm

    If you missed something about Carp’s defense Mike, so did I, and everyone else. I can’t find anything regarding that. Not in this thread anyway.

    It would be funny if that was Dave! I doubt it, though. How many times has he had to address people like that? I can imagine how annoying it would be for him, as he gets the worst of it.

    One thing I think everyone can agree on, is that this outfield stinks. None of the outfielders are hitting worth a damn and two are pretty terrible in the field. I think Saunders is the best of the group, and I don’t think he or Wells should go, but there is a dire need to obtain more depth. We can probably limp through this season, but man, it’s difficult to watch sometimes. Of course winning makes it a little easier 😉

  17. msfanmike on August 12th, 2012 4:11 pm

    We need Wells and Saunders to be productive, offensively. When they are, the OF is above “passable”. When they aren’t …

    They are both in a slump and maybe they wil both come out of it at around the same time. There is no one, single, productive stabilizing force in the OF. Everyone knows it. Not sure what th team will do about it, though. Attempting to convert infielders into outfielders isnt the answer. Completely different skillsets involved.

    Saunders is having a hard time with pitch recognition right now. Maybe the old adage regarding the “dog days of August” is ringing true with him. He needs a mental break if nothing else, but he is too good defensively to not play. Better as a LF than a CF, but he is the best CF we have.

    Come on Neon Leon! … I guess. He’s only 3 levels away.

  18. stevemotivateir on August 12th, 2012 4:38 pm


    What Montero’s been doing lately against RHP is certainly encouraging. I really believe he can be one of the top bats in the league, if he can do it consistently. At 22, hard to complain with how he’s coming along -with the bat.

  19. samregens on August 12th, 2012 7:26 pm

    I suspect that vetted_coach is in no way DC, but might actually be Casper Wells’ mom or some relative.

    This would explain nicely why he/she always seems to try to lavishly praise Wells for anything, while badmouthing Saunders and the other outfielders.

    Go Saunders.

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