Game 137, Red Sox at Mariners

marc w · September 4, 2012 at 5:10 pm · Filed Under Mariners 

Blake Beavan vs. Jon Lester, 7:10pm

Puyallup native Jon Lester’s season is a microcosm for the Sox’ agonizing 2012 campaign. He came into 2012 looking to compete for a Cy Young after a somewhat disappointing 2011, just as the Red Sox attempted to put the misery of the last day of 2011 (and the departure of their manager and GM) behind them. While Lester’s FIP/xFIP have been relatively consistent, a drop in Ks and an increase in HRs have left him with an ERA that produces a below-replacement level rWAR. I’m not going to suggest that you look at the ERA and ignore the FIP, but it’s troubling that his K rate has dropped so markedly – he was over 26% for two full years, and now he’s down at 19.6%. This, coupled with a six-start run that was jaw-droppingly bad, has led to some speculation that he’s pitching hurt.

He’s quieted that talk with two brilliant outings in mid-August, but his last two starts have been a mixed bag. Lester’s K rates are down for lefties and righties, but they’ve fallen fast against right-handers. In his great 2009-2010 seasons, he fanned a roughly equal percentage of lefties and righties (around 26%), as he had a great change-up to go with his curve ball. He’s fanning less lefties, but his K rate to righties has plummeted to 18%. While a lot of attention’s focused on his cutter usage, his fastball and change aren’t working the way they once did to right-handers.

The M’s counter with Blake Beavan, who can only imagine what a 19% K% in the majors might be like, not to mention having everyone wonder if you’re OK because you’re only striking out 7 per 9.

Dave told you all about the 7 players the M’s added from the Tacoma roster, but an 8th Rainier will be at the game tonight too – Catcher Guillermo Quiroz was traded to Boston and will presumably be in uniform for tonight’s game. The M’s appeared to like his pitch-calling, but there was obviously no space for him on an M’s team that’s already carrying three catchers.

The line-up is about as righty-heavy as it could be, save for swapping Liddi in for Seager. The good side is that Casper Wells gets the start in his first game back from AAA, and the down side is that Olivo catches. In this game, against this pitcher, I think you could make a case that starting Olivo isn’t the worst move, but life’s too short to debate things like that for long given that neither of these teams is going anywhere this year. The Red Sox are going nowhere this year. That’s amazing, and the source of rich, nourishing schadenfreude.

1: Ackley
2: Gutierrez
3: Seager
4: Montero (DH)
5: Smoak
6: Olivo (C)
7: Robinson
8: Wells
9: Ryan
SP: Beavan

Victor Sanchez pitches for Everett tonight in the Northwest League playoffs. If you’re in the north end, or if you want to see an interesting young pitcher, go see the AquaSox game tonight.

Comments

100 Responses to “Game 137, Red Sox at Mariners”

  1. jordan on September 4th, 2012 5:26 pm

    Our best hitter on the bench is just dumb. Like you said, it doesn’t really matter much but it still bugs me.

  2. Westside guy on September 4th, 2012 5:32 pm

    I dunno, as Marc said, the Mariners aren’t going anywhere this year. To me that says it’d be a perfect time to give Jaso some starts against lefties. As good as he is against righties, it’d be nice to find out how he could perform in a full-time role (as Dave argued a while back, I believe).

    It seems to me there’s an outside chance we could compete for a wildcard berth next season – so why waste any more starts on Olivo, who has no future here? Let’s use the remaining games in 2012 to prepare for 2013.

  3. stevemotivateir on September 4th, 2012 5:51 pm

    He wants Olivo to catch and Montero to DH. Fine, but why the hell is Smoak in there? You have three more players who can cover first now, including a RHB in Alex Liddi, who left Tacoma red-hot.

  4. stevemotivateir on September 4th, 2012 6:08 pm

    Wouldn’t it be funny if they were actually evaluating Olivo, having not made up their minds about his option?!

  5. Westside guy on September 4th, 2012 6:12 pm

    Your definition of “funny” must be different than mine, Steve. :-D

  6. Jordan on September 4th, 2012 6:36 pm

    I think it’s clear Wedge wants to bring Olivo back. Fortunately, he doesn’t make that decision. But, let’s still hope the other powers don’t make it.

  7. jordan on September 4th, 2012 7:06 pm

    I’d sign Jaso to a 3 year contract and then teach him 1B for when Zunino comes knocking. Montero can be our full time DH and Jaso our full time 1B.

    Jaso is quite the athlete and I think he could handle first a lot better than Montero could.

  8. Paul B on September 4th, 2012 7:16 pm

    Sims has some nice hats.

    Angie should have left her hair like it was recently when she changed it.

    You can tell I’m really excited by Beavan,

  9. Paul B on September 4th, 2012 7:18 pm

    Guti!

  10. Paul B on September 4th, 2012 7:22 pm

    Ha Ha, Twins are clobbering the White Sox.

    Wedge apparently thinks Smoak and Olivo are better hitters than Wells.

  11. taylor.mariner on September 4th, 2012 7:28 pm

    Hey! Someone finally told Wedge that Wells can play right field!

  12. Paul B on September 4th, 2012 7:32 pm

    Wonder if the Quiroz deal is just a rental.

  13. Paul B on September 4th, 2012 7:33 pm

    Wonder why Carp isn’t playing instead of Smoak.

  14. stevemotivateir on September 4th, 2012 7:37 pm

    Jaso is still under team control for three years, so a three year contract wouldn’t make any sense. A five year deal would, but I doubt we’ll see that happen this year.

  15. Westside guy on September 4th, 2012 7:40 pm

    Smoak! Taking advantage of the not-Angels!

    (Trout reference)

  16. Westside guy on September 4th, 2012 7:40 pm

    Actually, yeah – why isn’t Carp playing?

  17. Paul B on September 4th, 2012 7:44 pm

    Check out Humber’s line tonight.

    He didn’t last long.

    How quick they fall.

  18. stevemotivateir on September 4th, 2012 7:45 pm

    Or Liddi. Either of them would have made more sense than Smoak. So of course, Smoak gets a hit first time up.

  19. jordan on September 4th, 2012 7:46 pm

    Oh wow.. I thought next year was the last on Jaso’s contract. That made my day haha

  20. Paul B on September 4th, 2012 7:46 pm

    Smoak is still under the Mendoza line against lefties this year.

  21. Paul B on September 4th, 2012 7:50 pm

    How can a guy throw a perfect game and then a couple of months later he is pitching mop up and he can’t get anyone out?

  22. msfanmike on September 4th, 2012 8:02 pm

    Brendan Ryan is like Mark Belanger minus the “hitting prowess” and several Gold Gloves.

    Even with Ryan’sgreat glove work he is currently at 1.2 WAR (Fangraphs) for the season. The average major leaguer produces 2.0 WAR, correct?

    I was originally going to complain about Smoak, but the mood just struck – during Ryan’s AB.

  23. msfanmike on September 4th, 2012 8:09 pm

    Back to back bombs!

    No pressure Monty.

  24. stevemotivateir on September 4th, 2012 8:11 pm

    This is a nice way to start an inning. Is this the first time M’s have gone back to back this year?

  25. Breadbaker on September 4th, 2012 8:12 pm

    That soldier who caught the ball has got to become an internet sensation. Assuming MLB lets the video go viral. What a happy dude, and who can possibly do anything but smile at how pleased he was. Even a Red Sox fan. Okay, maybe not a Red Sox fan, but if they can’t, that says more about them than about him.

  26. Breadbaker on September 4th, 2012 8:15 pm

    Oh, no, not Guti again. After that incredible shot, too.

  27. pgreyy on September 4th, 2012 8:16 pm

    Even when we have nice things…WE CAN’T HAVE NICE THINGS. :(

  28. msfanmike on September 4th, 2012 8:16 pm

    I think this is at least the third time this season, Steve. I can’t remember specifics, but I know it has occurred more than once this season.

  29. californiamariner on September 4th, 2012 8:17 pm

    What happened to Guti?

  30. msfanmike on September 4th, 2012 8:20 pm

    Guti stretches a tight hammy in the dugout – after his HR – and gets yanked.

    Super.

    Swisher, Upton, Upton, Cabrera … Sign ‘or trade for all of them. Maybe one (Swisher) can play 1B.

  31. Westside guy on September 4th, 2012 8:23 pm

    What happened with Guti? I went away from the game for a while, and he’s not in there anymore…

  32. stevemotivateir on September 4th, 2012 8:24 pm

    Thanks for the info, Mike. Couldn’t remember that happening this season. Glad it wasn’t the first time!

    I’d bet it’s nothing serious with Guti, just taking extra (EXTRA) precautions with him. Of course, I say that without being able to actually see the game.

  33. Westside guy on September 4th, 2012 8:26 pm

    Argh. With Guti, you can’t count on anything not being serious. Heck, Saunders doesn’t usually get hurt, and he’s having a hard time coming back from a similar sort of injury.

    Wells may have a chance now to show he belongs…

  34. stevemotivateir on September 4th, 2012 8:31 pm

    Na, I’m sure we’ll see Figgins or Peguero out there tomorrow if Guti can’t go. Wells isn’t going to start two games in a row with Wedge managing. What are you thinking?!

  35. msfanmike on September 4th, 2012 8:34 pm

    Wedge probably went out to ask the ump if he has also stolen his teams steal sign.

  36. msfanmike on September 4th, 2012 8:37 pm

    Not a tight hammy. A tight groin, reportedly.

  37. Westside guy on September 4th, 2012 8:39 pm

    Okay, so now both our center fielders are out with tight groins… and this is tight groin #3 on the team! It’s an epidemic!

  38. Westside guy on September 4th, 2012 8:42 pm

    THAT was an excellent throw by O-O-Olivo!

  39. msfanmike on September 4th, 2012 8:42 pm

    I blame the marine layer.

  40. wilchiro on September 4th, 2012 8:43 pm

    At this point if I’m Wedge, I’m telling Guti to tough out the injury! It doesn’t sound all that serious at all and his constant injuries are really tiring!

  41. stevemotivateir on September 4th, 2012 8:43 pm

    Maybe what Saunders caught was contagious? Hopefully they aren’t sharing clothing or equipment. That would put the Vargas/Fister sock commercial to shame.

  42. Westside guy on September 4th, 2012 8:43 pm

    Robinson in left has to be worth one or two extra doubles a game… for the other team.

    He’s a good fielder, but that arm…

  43. Westside guy on September 4th, 2012 8:52 pm

    That’ll be next year’s commercial Steve – after Saunders’ good year this year, he’ll be offering to share his lucky jock.

  44. stevemotivateir on September 4th, 2012 8:53 pm

    Nice to see Monty swingin’ a hot bat.

  45. stevemotivateir on September 4th, 2012 8:55 pm

    Wouldn’t be lucky if it’s causing pulled groins!

  46. stevemotivateir on September 4th, 2012 8:56 pm

    Well, at least Smoak didn’t hit into DP. Baby steps.

  47. Westside guy on September 4th, 2012 8:57 pm

    They were shooting the commercial before they realized the connection – and at that point they figured they’d go ahead and just use it anyway.

  48. Breadbaker on September 4th, 2012 8:58 pm

    And for once Olivo didn’t strike out swinging. That was a pretty borderline strike.

  49. stevemotivateir on September 4th, 2012 8:58 pm

    Nice cover Westy :p

  50. Westside guy on September 4th, 2012 9:03 pm

    Blake just Beavan’ed it. CRAP.

  51. Westside guy on September 4th, 2012 9:08 pm

    Okay, now it’s a double-Beavan.

  52. Breadbaker on September 4th, 2012 9:08 pm

    Definitely early season classic Beavan.

  53. californiamariner on September 4th, 2012 9:10 pm

    He’s so Beavan

  54. stevemotivateir on September 4th, 2012 9:15 pm

    This is what happens to pitchers who have issues missing bats.

  55. Westside guy on September 4th, 2012 9:17 pm

    New shows to be pitched for the coming season…

    That’s So Beavan (Disney Channel)

    Leave It To Beavan (ABC Family)

    oh oh

    Beavan and Butthead (Comedy Central)

  56. Westside guy on September 4th, 2012 9:29 pm

    It’ll be interesting to see what the Mariners do with Capps next year. Will they put him back in AAA for a while, or will they use him in the bullpen with the big club right away?

  57. stevemotivateir on September 4th, 2012 9:31 pm

    Or will they package him for a slugger?

  58. Westside guy on September 4th, 2012 9:33 pm

    True – they do have a lot of young arms available.

  59. stevemotivateir on September 4th, 2012 9:36 pm

    I wouldn’t be surprised at all if we saw Capps and Paxton as part of a deal for a bat.

  60. Westside guy on September 4th, 2012 9:36 pm

    I really don’t think giving drivers the ability to buy movie tickets from their dash is a good idea.

    (commercial that just played)

  61. Westside guy on September 4th, 2012 9:39 pm

    Ackley, also taking advantage of the not-Angels in the outfield!

  62. Westside guy on September 4th, 2012 9:44 pm

    Come on Jesus!

  63. stevemotivateir on September 4th, 2012 9:45 pm

    Nice job by both Ackley and Seager.

  64. stevemotivateir on September 4th, 2012 9:51 pm

    Way to strand the runners.

  65. californiamariner on September 4th, 2012 9:52 pm

    Westside guy,
    Law and Order: Special Beavan Unit

    Breaking Beavan

    So You Think You Can Beavan.

    I know the original shows don’t sound anything like Beavan like yours did, but when you put the meaning of “Beavan” in there its funny. At least to me lol.

  66. jephdood on September 4th, 2012 9:53 pm

    Soooo… who’s gonna be our 1B next year? Cuz Smoak sure as hell ain’t it.

  67. californiamariner on September 4th, 2012 9:56 pm

    Amen to no more Smoak!

  68. vetted_coach on September 4th, 2012 9:57 pm

    Anyone who can explain why Justin Smoak hits 5th should apply immediately to replace Mike Blowers as Mr. Muppet on the broadcast crew. Shame on any analyst who sits silently by, watching Thames’ totally bush effort at a bunt. Earn your money, Blow!

  69. msfanmike on September 4th, 2012 9:58 pm

    Smoak is awesome.

  70. Westside guy on September 4th, 2012 9:58 pm

    Hehe CM…

    “Breaking Beavan” was pretty good actually.

  71. californiamariner on September 4th, 2012 9:59 pm

    “Anyone who can explain why Justin Smoak hits 5th should apply immediately to replace Mike Blowers ”

    Are you saying Smoak deserves to hit 5th? I’m confused.

  72. Westside guy on September 4th, 2012 10:00 pm

    Oh yeah, Mike Carp – the third member of the Tight Groin Trio.

  73. msfanmike on September 4th, 2012 10:04 pm

    I would have rather seen Carp, Jiminez or Jaso hit in the high leverage situation. Either Liddi if Boston had countered with a LHP. Smoak has been given enough rope to hang multiple busted prospects.

    Shut. Smoak. Down.

  74. msfanmike on September 4th, 2012 10:04 pm

    I would have rather seen Carp, Jiminez or Jaso hit in the high leverage situation. Either Liddi if Boston had countered with a LHP. Smoak has been given enough rope to hang multiple busted prospects.

    Shut. Smoak. Down.

  75. Breadbaker on September 4th, 2012 10:09 pm

    That was pathetic.

  76. Westside guy on September 4th, 2012 10:09 pm

    Okay, the outfield for the ninth inning just got interesting.

    And by interesting I mean really bad.

  77. Westside guy on September 4th, 2012 10:12 pm

    Why let Smoak hit, but then sub in Carp for Wells?

  78. Jordan on September 4th, 2012 10:13 pm

    I love that Carp hits for Wells but not Smoak. I wish I could know what Wedge was ‘thinking.’ I don’t think it matters much how the off season plays out if Wedge is still in the dugout to handle player evaluations and fill out the lineup cards.

  79. Westside guy on September 4th, 2012 10:14 pm

    Plus Carp is recovering from a tight groin, AND they claimed they were going to protect his shoulder and not put him in the outfield again this year.

    So unless they do another substitution, this just just bizarre on several levels.

    Oh, okay – I still don’t get letting Smoak bat, but they did run Figgy out there instead of Carp. So *slightly* less bizarre than I thought. But still…

  80. msfanmike on September 4th, 2012 10:18 pm

    It makes no sense, Westy/Jordan. Wedge is outdoing himself tonight.

  81. jordan on September 4th, 2012 10:19 pm

    It kills me that these managers are still bunting in these situations. Just giving up easy outs.

  82. Westside guy on September 4th, 2012 10:20 pm

    Maybe Wedge is trying to impress Bobby Valentine.

  83. jordan on September 4th, 2012 10:22 pm

    I’m not sure how accurate the movie moneyball is but maybe Z needs to go Billy Beane on Wedges ass.

  84. msfanmike on September 4th, 2012 10:25 pm

    Z should copy Beane in more ways than one.

  85. Westside guy on September 4th, 2012 10:26 pm

    Is there a rule that says the catcher has to be right behind the plate when the pitcher releases the ball? I’m wondering why, when they’re intentionally walking someone, the catcher always starts behind the plate and dashes out there rather than just standing out there in the first place.

    They’re certainly not trying to deceive anyone.

  86. Jordan on September 4th, 2012 10:29 pm

    Jimenez gets lessons from Smoak.

  87. californiamariner on September 4th, 2012 10:30 pm

    Lets see some 9th inning magic!

  88. msfanmike on September 4th, 2012 10:33 pm

    There is such a thing as the “catchers box” and a catcher can be called for a balk if he leaves it prior to the pitcher releasing the ball.

    They leave the “box” early all the time and it is never called, but there is a reason why they do what they do. Since you asked.

  89. Westside guy on September 4th, 2012 10:34 pm

    THAMES!

  90. Westside guy on September 4th, 2012 10:35 pm

    Thanks Mike – I didn’t know the catcher could balk!

  91. Westside guy on September 4th, 2012 10:36 pm

    Crappy “lefty strike zone”.

  92. Westside guy on September 4th, 2012 10:37 pm

    Crap.

  93. jephdood on September 4th, 2012 10:38 pm

    That umpire has shit in his eyes.

  94. msfanmike on September 4th, 2012 10:40 pm

    This game had a definite 2011 feel to it.

    Tomorrow is another day.

  95. jephdood on September 4th, 2012 10:44 pm

    Can’t wait for the poser a-hole bandwagon SAWX fans to get the hell out of our ballpark. Sounds like the M’s are playing at Fenway West and I DO. NOT. LIKE.

  96. Westside guy on September 4th, 2012 10:47 pm

    You don’t like the Faux-Sox fans, jephdood?

  97. msfanmike on September 4th, 2012 10:49 pm

    It’s actually the pitcher that gets charged with the “balk” for throwing a pitch when the catcher is out of the box, but it is known as a “catchers balk”.

    It’s so obscure that the catchers box chalk outline isn’t put out onto the field. Occasionally you might see the box lined in chalk for a high school game. Nobody knows what the hell it is, but it will pop into view every now and then.

  98. jordan on September 5th, 2012 2:21 pm

    Wow, I’ve played baseball my whole life up through high school and watched and followed it closely and I never knew anything about the catchers box. Interesting.

  99. Westside guy on September 5th, 2012 2:26 pm

    Yeah, after Mike talked about it I went and browsed through the official rules. They’re very specific about the catcher’s box and the catcher having to be in there – it’s funny how it never gets talked about! We hear about the batter’s box all the time…

  100. msfanmike on September 5th, 2012 2:41 pm

    The catchers box is impossibly narrow. Probably why it has been “unofficially” eliminated from consciousness.

    It is the width of the inside edge of each batters box – extending straight back. A lot of catchers set up outside of it – when trying to get their pitcher to miss ‘away.’

    If someone ever calls a catchers balk, I would be stunned … but it is a thing.

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