Game 142, Mariners at Blue Jays

Dave · September 11, 2012 at 3:53 pm · Filed Under Mariners 

Ramirez vs Morrow, 4:05 pm.

Erasmo Ramirez makes his first start since late June. The plan is apparently to have him get a few more starts before the end of the season, but the team isn’t going with a strict rotation of pitchers, so it’s hard to know when those will be. My guess is that a good outing tonight probably makes it more likely that Ramirez pitches again sooner rather than later.

Ackley, 2B
Gutierrez, CF
Seager, 3B
Jaso, DH
Montero, C
Saunders, LF
Thames, RF
Carp, 1B
Ryan, SS


47 Responses to “Game 142, Mariners at Blue Jays”

  1. Westside guy on September 11th, 2012 4:04 pm

    Wow. I can’t complain about this lineup – that doesn’t happen very often! 😀

  2. Paul B on September 11th, 2012 4:12 pm

    Yeah, that is what I was thinking too.

  3. Paul B on September 11th, 2012 4:13 pm

    There’s like 9 people in Skydome tonight.

  4. msfanmike on September 11th, 2012 4:25 pm

    Yay … From the columbia river. Time to fish. Go M’s!

  5. Westside guy on September 11th, 2012 4:27 pm

    Jaso, Jaso, Jaso… DON’T run through a stop sign! If Datz says “stop”, you KNOW you’re not gonna make it – he hardly ever tells people to stop!

    Good hunting fishing, Mike!

  6. Jordan on September 11th, 2012 4:47 pm

    I’m with Westy and Paul, but it sure would be nice to see what we have w/ Wells. He could turn out to be our 4th or 5th OF when we (bad assumption) acquire some durable everyday talent (sorry Guti) out there (Saunders is still improving and could become that guy).

  7. 9inningknowitall on September 11th, 2012 4:50 pm

    It is just interesting to think about how young this lineup really is. Are any of these guys on the wrong side of 30? I think they are all under 30 with Ryan being the only one that is close to being 30 but I could be wrong about that off the top of my head.

    This team has the potential to grow and become a solid team.

  8. Westside guy on September 11th, 2012 4:53 pm

    Haha, Jaso gets thrown out AGAIN.

  9. djw on September 11th, 2012 4:54 pm

    I wonder if that’s a record–same baserunner thrown out twice by the same fielder within two innings.

  10. Jordan on September 11th, 2012 4:58 pm

    Baserunning errors help the Mariners so much.

  11. Westside guy on September 11th, 2012 5:02 pm

    9inning, taking a look at FanGraphs…

    Ackley – 24
    Gutierrez – 29
    Seager – 25 in November
    Jaso – 29 as of this Thursday
    Montero – 23 in November
    Saunders – 26 in November
    Thames – 26 in November
    Carp – 26
    Ryan – 30

    Wells – 28 in November
    Smoak – 26 in December

    BTW what’s the deal with all the November birthdays?!

  12. stevemotivateir on September 11th, 2012 5:03 pm

    If we factor in how hard a runner runs, we’ll have a much more accurate statistic to figure out the odds of the runner reaching the bag.

  13. Westside guy on September 11th, 2012 5:03 pm

    Stupid move by Thames there.

  14. stevemotivateir on September 11th, 2012 5:08 pm

    I was kidding of course. I just caught the comments on the other post, thought it was kind of funny. Dave was clearly right with what he stated. At the same time, formerQB brought up an interesting subject & stat that is probably worth exploring a little more.

    Anyway, I have to say I’m pleased with this line-up as well. Would prefer to see Wells in place of Thames, but I can live with this 🙂

  15. Westside guy on September 11th, 2012 5:09 pm

    Hehe Steve, I’m a bit slow but now I think I get it.

    (BTW I actually typed this before I saw your explanation above)

  16. Westside guy on September 11th, 2012 5:14 pm

    Man, Morrow is eminently hittable so far tonight… if they hadn’t made some dumb baserunning mistakes, they’d probably have more than three runs.

  17. Westside guy on September 11th, 2012 5:32 pm

    Yeah Seager!

  18. californiamariner on September 11th, 2012 5:33 pm

    I found the comments on the Zunino post fascinating! I love watching the Mariners and I’ve played baseball for many years. I love the game, but I am learning a lot about all of these advanced statistics. I am trying to gain a better understanding of evaluating players and those threads are very nice. I just try to stay quiet and observe most of the time though.

    And tonight’s lineup is great. Montero + Jaso + Guti – Smoak! Its nice to see them putting up a few runs.

  19. stevemotivateir on September 11th, 2012 5:41 pm

    Morrow chased out in the 5th. Nice!

  20. Westside guy on September 11th, 2012 5:48 pm

    Yeah, I felt bad about how Morrow got mishandled while he was with the Mariners… but when he’s pitching against us, I want him to do bad. 😀

  21. Westside guy on September 11th, 2012 5:51 pm

    Ackley’s gotten a number of “hustle” base hits this year – it’s good to see!

  22. stevemotivateir on September 11th, 2012 5:52 pm

    Guti’s due for a HR. I’ll settle for any kind of hit or a SF, though.

  23. Westside guy on September 11th, 2012 5:54 pm

    I don’t think Guti heard you, Steve.

  24. stevemotivateir on September 11th, 2012 5:56 pm

    He remains due 🙂

  25. vetted_coach on September 11th, 2012 5:58 pm

    If the Mariners lose a close game, remember Wedge green lighting Guti at 3-0, with one out and Seger (3-3) on deck.

  26. Westside guy on September 11th, 2012 6:11 pm

    Oh, man – how often do we see Guti miss a catch? Must be the roof…

  27. stevemotivateir on September 11th, 2012 6:13 pm

    Ramirez seems to be lookin’ good.

  28. stevemotivateir on September 11th, 2012 6:18 pm

    How are these pitches looking to you guys? I’m following both gameday and gamecast, and it appears that the second and third pitches to Gose were clearly strikes.

  29. Westside guy on September 11th, 2012 6:23 pm

    I think Erasmo didn’t get some calls that could’ve gone his way, yes.

  30. Jordan on September 11th, 2012 6:25 pm

    Is this Ramirez’ true talent level? He seems to throw a bit much in the strike zone, but gets enough strikeouts to not be in historically low Beavan territory of pitch-to-contact. If this is sustainable, he’s already a good enough #5 for next year. As long as they re-sign Vargas and Iwakuma, they really only need to find one more starter to be in good shape (preferably a true TOR but that’s more of a challenge).

  31. Jordan on September 11th, 2012 6:28 pm

    Another random thought sorry…
    I realize Furbush is pretty dominant in the bp, but shouldn’t he be given another shot to start if they can’t address this need? Is he too valuable as a LOOGY + to get packaged in a deal for a good bat? It just seems like (even though he’s still a reliever) he could add some real value in a trade to the right team.

  32. Paul B on September 11th, 2012 6:31 pm

    So how many pitchers can Wedge use here?

  33. Jordan on September 11th, 2012 6:32 pm

    Can Figgins pitch? I think he’d be very intimidating.

  34. stevemotivateir on September 11th, 2012 6:35 pm

    Jordan, Ramirez had 13 k’s in a start (I believe) shortly before going on the DL. He’s always been a strike-thrower. In fact, some of his coaches have joked about him having difficulty missing the zone (which is actually a legitimate concern).

    As far as Furbush goes… there was a post about that a couple months ago. He’s known as a lefty specialist, but he’s done fairly well against right handers as well. Probably should get another shot at the rotation.

  35. stevemotivateir on September 11th, 2012 6:42 pm

    Vargas is still in arbitration. The M’s can sign him and buy-out the final year, but I doubt they do that. He’s still likely a guy they see as having trade value.

  36. Jordan on September 11th, 2012 6:44 pm

    I know Steve, I think it’s funny he needs to learn how to miss the zone. I’m just wondering what his true talent or upside is. I don’t really understand why he’s not being discussed more as a viable 4th or 5th option.

    I must’ve missed that Furbush post.

    Felix, Vargas, Iwakuma, Ramirez, Furbush… isn’t very intimidating but seems like it should get the job done w/ an average offense. Perhaps, the M’s don’t need to add a starter and can wait for some of Cerberus etc. to arrive. Etc.= Maurer, Carraway et. al.

  37. The_Waco_Kid on September 11th, 2012 6:47 pm

    Guti needs a hit so Seager can get the cycle.

  38. The_Waco_Kid on September 11th, 2012 6:49 pm


  39. stevemotivateir on September 11th, 2012 6:52 pm

    Ramirez has been discussed as a potential number three starter.

    Those five names are exactly who I’d like to see in the rotation, given what we know, and have seen as of now. I’d still be open to signing a FA, or even a trade, but I’d feel pretty comfortable with those five. Carraway may very well be ready at some point next year as well. Point is, I think there’s still decent internal options. Iwakuma would have to re-sign of course.

  40. stevemotivateir on September 11th, 2012 6:55 pm

    Close the door, Tommy!

  41. stevemotivateir on September 11th, 2012 6:57 pm

    I find it funny that espn shows runners on base in the box-score windows before gamecast shows the hit.

  42. Jordan on September 11th, 2012 6:58 pm

    Closing time, …Sure is nice to have Ryan on D as much as he gives up w/ the bat.

  43. stevemotivateir on September 11th, 2012 7:01 pm

    Nice! Good to see the Mariners produce 14 hits. Probably should have scored more, but this was good!

  44. Westside guy on September 11th, 2012 7:03 pm

    woo hoo!

  45. skipj on September 11th, 2012 11:54 pm

    Hey Westside guy, here is the deal with the November birthdays. You will find a similar situation in Hockey, where organized play starts at a very early age.
    The November birthdays mean that they just missed the minimum age cut-off to begin little league, and had to wait a year. This made them older, and larger, and smarter than their teammates growing up. They obviously made the most of these advantages.
    I haven’t read much about this in baseball, but there is a study about it in hockey. Where are the stats on MLB success and birth-month correlation? Someone get on this!

  46. msfanmike on September 12th, 2012 8:18 am

    February is a cold weather month. Cold weather = more time at home with the Mrs. Subtract nine months from November and what do you get?

    Mystery solved.

  47. Westside guy on September 12th, 2012 8:41 am

    I was gonna make a crack about Smoak’s parents being a month behind (which would work in either scenario)… but that would just be piling on.

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