Mariners Do Stupid Thing

Dave · January 16, 2013 at 4:00 pm · Filed Under Mariners 

The Mariners have just completed a three team trade that sends John Jaso to Oakland, with the team getting Mike Morse back in exchange. Yes, you read that correctly, the Mariners traded John Jaso for Mike Morse.

This is Bavasi-esque. This is an awful decision, trading a good player for an older, worse, more expensive, less healthy player with two fewer years of team control. This is what happens you focus intently on acquiring a type of thing — in this case, a “power bat” — and don’t understand the value of the assets you have. This is what happens when you have a manager who doesn’t know how to evaluate talent, and sees John Jaso as nothing more than a backup catcher.

This is Jack’s worst trade. This is worse than the Fister deal. This is just a straight up downgrade. The Mariners are worse off for having made this swap.

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120 Responses to “Mariners Do Stupid Thing”

  1. marc w on January 16th, 2013 4:01 pm

    Unbelievable. Just unbelievable.

  2. Notorious DAD on January 16th, 2013 4:01 pm

    Stupid, well that’s one word for it.

  3. Snuffleupagus on January 16th, 2013 4:02 pm

    YAY! Now I don’t have to be pissed off all season about Jaso not getting playing time. silver-lining, right guys? guys…?

  4. Grayfox3d on January 16th, 2013 4:02 pm

    This is getting depressing honestly… Im at a loss of words. I am not very happy about this trade, and now we have to find another catcher….

  5. Jay R. on January 16th, 2013 4:02 pm

    Hahahahahahahha if I stop laughing I will never stop crying. This team will never be worth watching until it is sold and the entire front office fired into the sun. If were deluded enough to have purchased tickets already I would return them instantly.

  6. Notorious DAD on January 16th, 2013 4:03 pm

    I have to think there is something else going on here, Jack could not be that stupid.

  7. ChrisFB on January 16th, 2013 4:03 pm

    But hey! At least they solved the catching problem and the 1b/DH logjam cited in the post from the other day… oh wait.

    I think this blog generally frowns on swearing and hyperbolic reactions, so I’ll take my actual response to this trade elsewhere.

  8. Sports on a Shtick on January 16th, 2013 4:03 pm

    Terrible. This is the first real moment where I’ve thought the franchise would be better off without Zduriencik. Going forward he will have to prove otherwise.

  9. Brantid on January 16th, 2013 4:03 pm

    Who’s going to catch? Where is Morse going to play? Other moves had better be on the way.

  10. Bryce on January 16th, 2013 4:03 pm

    The real question is who is the next GM? Wake me up when somebody who knows what they’re doing is running this team.

  11. thedude1987 on January 16th, 2013 4:03 pm

    So take a position of need supply and add to an overloaded 1b/dh stock pile? All i can think is that they are acquiring a package for Stanton.

  12. californiamariner on January 16th, 2013 4:04 pm

    This is unbelievable. I’ve been patient with this GM since he took over, but now I’m done with him.

  13. thehemogoblin on January 16th, 2013 4:04 pm

    Maybe this is just an imaginary trade made up on Twitter.

  14. thehemogoblin on January 16th, 2013 4:05 pm

    Though seriously, there have to be more parts in this deal than just this, right?

  15. Thirteen on January 16th, 2013 4:05 pm

    What in the flying fuck.

  16. heddena on January 16th, 2013 4:06 pm

    Unbelievably upset right now.

  17. californiamariner on January 16th, 2013 4:06 pm

    LOL @ thehemogoblin, maybe Manti reported it.

  18. groundzero55 on January 16th, 2013 4:07 pm

    Now we are REALLY short on catchers…especially the kind that can catch. Something else is brewing, unless the organization is really set on Zunino being on the major league club to start the year.

  19. mdomingo on January 16th, 2013 4:07 pm

    They would have traded Jaso eventually with Zunino on the way.

  20. dchappelle on January 16th, 2013 4:07 pm

    Unbelievable. Trade our 3rd best player for a pile.

  21. heddena on January 16th, 2013 4:08 pm

    This is the worst off-season ever.

  22. californiamariner on January 16th, 2013 4:10 pm

    Does this mean Zunino opening day?

  23. Bryce on January 16th, 2013 4:11 pm

    Everything the Mariners have done this offseason explains why no upper echelon free agent will come anywhere near this team. All the griping about Wedge is misplaced. The real problem is at GM.

  24. heychuck01 on January 16th, 2013 4:12 pm

    I will never be done with the Mariners, but I am done with this front office. Well, all front office folks in the Mariners have always sucked. Some worse than others. Some luckier than others (Woodward).

  25. JasonJ on January 16th, 2013 4:12 pm

    There has to be some other move in the works so I’ll reserve judgement until th…..AHH FORGET IT…BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

  26. Dobbs on January 16th, 2013 4:12 pm

    The GM hired the coach, so this is definitely on Z.

  27. tmac9311 on January 16th, 2013 4:13 pm

    well the silver lining I have of this trade is: Jack made a run at a couple top players, couldn’t get them for various reasons, and decided to continue building the farm. Though as a stand alone move Jaso for Morse is an awful move. But Jaso isn’t Montero or Zunino. Morse fills more roles on this major league roster and unclogs the logjams. He doesn’t make the team better, but he fills out the major league roster, and we didn’t lose any future stars or trade chips.

    That’s as positive of a spin as I can put on it. The GM decided that there was no way we could compete this season, so may as well hit a few dingers and hope attendance goes up for another 4th place finish.

  28. 68GTCS on January 16th, 2013 4:13 pm

    ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

  29. Jay R. on January 16th, 2013 4:14 pm

    The real problem is higher than GM. Lincoln and Armstrong have no interest in fielding a team worth watching, much less a winner.

  30. Slats on January 16th, 2013 4:15 pm

    Howard and Chuck have to go.

    And of all the teams, Jaso has to go to a divison rival?

    Zunino better be good.

  31. NF on January 16th, 2013 4:16 pm

    Roster:

    6 1B/DH (Morse/Smoak/Carp/Morales/Ibanez/Montero)
    0 Catchers
    3 Outfielders (Wells, Guti, Saunders)
    3 SP

    Ugh………

  32. Liam on January 16th, 2013 4:16 pm

    ‘In Jack We Trust’ no more. He hired Tom Tango, rebuilt the farm and made a couple savvy trades, but he’s just not who we thought he was. There’s too many “stupid” moves that have occurred where we can’t still think that Jack knows better. He even thinks Miguel Cabrera deserved to win the MVP.

  33. Paul B on January 16th, 2013 4:17 pm

    I’m done with the Mariners for now. This is the last straw. I’ll consider watching or going to a game in July after Wedge and Jack have both been fired.

  34. make_dave_proud on January 16th, 2013 4:17 pm

    Pardon my internet speak, but OMFG. Why?

    Unless there is another trade or two in the offing, this looks terrible. The team did not get any better today.

  35. Grayfox3d on January 16th, 2013 4:17 pm

    Ya lets trade our current roster for all our previous players that we got rid of years ago…

  36. ThanatosK on January 16th, 2013 4:19 pm

    I got back to the office, logged onto my computer, pulled up MLBTradeRumors.com, saw the headline….

    and facepalmed myself hard enough to hurt my nose.

    ….then I read the part where it said who we traded away to get Mike Morse.

    No more facepalms….now I’m angry. Nice to see Dave posting about this without any “Fun Facts” to bring folks off the ledge. Dave, I’m sorry it took something like this to pull you more to the “Grrrr” side of the fence regarding Z and the M’s.

  37. ChrisFB on January 16th, 2013 4:20 pm

    Now let’s bring back Bloomquist and Betancourt and make it a real family reunion. Hell, Jamie Moyer is probably still kicking around, give him a NRI… and maybe we can get Freddy Garcia if we give up 2 of Cerberus!

    Seriously, what the hell?

  38. jld on January 16th, 2013 4:21 pm

    Now that we need catching depth, I hear Miguel Olivo is still available.

  39. terryoftacoma on January 16th, 2013 4:22 pm

    I’m laughing at this. It’s better than crying. So this makes Montero our every day catcher and Morse/Ibanez in left and Smoak/ Morales dh/1b and still we have Noesi and Beaven as our back end starters? Can we see Olivo on the horizon? Two thirds of the outfield defense will be good if Guti stays healthy but damn left is going to be a defensive black hole.

  40. shortbus on January 16th, 2013 4:24 pm

    Well I hope those who just wanted the M’s to get a “middle of the order bat” and “do something to improve the offense” are happy. This team would have been better off if they’d just added a veteran pitcher and hoped the youngsters would improve. Which they will — at least some of them.

    Here’s something that’s helping me preserve sanity. Close your eyes and imagine that we just traded Josh Lueke for Morse, because if you ignore last year that’s what this amounts to. There, that’s better. That’s an awesome deal!

  41. BrianG on January 16th, 2013 4:24 pm

    This just makes me so depressed. I had thought we moved past the boneheaded Bavasi years with the Z hire. Now we know for certain that is not the case.

  42. Dobbs on January 16th, 2013 4:24 pm

    We’re creating holes and logjams all in one trade, yay!

    I’m guessing Smoak/Carp are gone and Ibanez/Morse will spend more time in the OF than Wells. Or are Ibanez/Morse our new 1Bs?

    I’m baffled.

  43. 9inningknowitall on January 16th, 2013 4:25 pm

    I still can’t believe this trade was made. So many issues with it. Does this make Montero the starting Catcher? I really don’t get this at all. They have like 20 guys who can only play the same two positions. Nice move.

  44. californiamariner on January 16th, 2013 4:25 pm

    Morse, Morales, Smoak, Ibanez, Bay, Carp, Montero.

  45. Adam S on January 16th, 2013 4:26 pm

    This sounds like an April Fools joke.

    We traded our best position player for a marginal player. We traded our only major league catcher for a 1B/DH type of which we have 5 already.

    Why? We need HRs doesn’t seem like enough of a reason to do something so stupid.

    I’ve been a fan of Jack Z but am basically done with him now.

  46. Paul L on January 16th, 2013 4:26 pm

    I was at the very first game, with Diego Segui, in 1977. I worked in the visitor’s clubhouse in the early ’80s. I lived through Bavasi.

    I’ve never been closer to giving up than today.

    It’s clear that, for whatever reason, this organization either can’t or won’t compete, and isn’t particularly interested in fielding a team capable of winning a World Series.

    Why in the world should I make a commitment to following them, or giving them one red cent of my money?

  47. shortbus on January 16th, 2013 4:26 pm

    @terryoftacma

    I pray that Saunders will be in left if Guti is healthy. Morse should be in right, shouldn’t he? Or are we no longer concerned about the range needed to patrol left field at Safeco with the new dimensions?

  48. Sports on a Shtick on January 16th, 2013 4:27 pm

    Comment From Will
    Who are some comparable players and prospects that the Nats might get for a Morse+Clippard or Morse+Storen trade?

    Dave Cameron:
    I don’t think those guys have a ton of trade value, to be honest.

    Oh man, gonna be tough to get through today’s FanGraphs Chat…

  49. just a fan on January 16th, 2013 4:27 pm

    Obviously Zunino is going to be the opening day catcher. Or we are about to trade for Joe Mauer.

  50. murphy_dog on January 16th, 2013 4:27 pm

    Well, at least in 2013, 4th place won’t be last place. But with moves like this, I’m doubting the M’s can finish ahead of the Astros.

  51. greentunic on January 16th, 2013 4:28 pm

    I sincerely hope there is something else going on.

    Jaso was our best hitter. He almost had a .400 on base percentage! That’s Edgar territory.

    I have no idea who JZ expects to catch full time. Thats why I think something else may be in the works. Smoak, Ibanez, Moralez, Montero, and Morse can’t all play DH/1B which means some are leaving or playing C or OF and neither of those last two would be a good thing.

  52. Bryce on January 16th, 2013 4:29 pm

    So this team has a GM that is good at drafting, but basically at best mediocre and at worst terrible at everything else. And it won’t spend money, but even if it did, the GM probably wouldn’t be able to properly evaluate who is worth buying.

    Can we hurry up and get through this season so the M’s can hire somebody who knows what they’re doing when it comes time to trade Felix?

  53. Rick Banjo on January 16th, 2013 4:31 pm

    This move (and quite a bit surrounding this team right now) is showing an incredible lack of vision, either at the present state of things or on ways to get better.

    All this so that the ticket prices can go up?

    Something very strange is afoot here.

  54. mca on January 16th, 2013 4:34 pm

    It seemst that the Mariners came in to this offseason not wanting to concede the American League West to LA or Texas… so they helped Oakland stay in contention?
    I’m a Seattle transplant who came around to full on Mariner fandom through a combination of Ichiro, great writing (here and LL), and the promise of an exciting future under the leadership of Jack Z. Well, I guess I’m still left with the best writing in baseball.

  55. bookbook on January 16th, 2013 4:34 pm

    In a three way trade, when you trade the best player to get the worst you’re doing it wrong.

    Oh well, at least we traded from an area of need (OBP, catching) to get an area of surplus. Or is that wrong, too?

  56. terryoftacoma on January 16th, 2013 4:37 pm

    Presently:

    C Montero
    1b Smoak
    2b Ackley
    3b Seager
    ss Ryan
    lf Ibanez/Morse
    cf Gutierrez
    rf Saunders
    dh Morales

    Sp Hernandez
    SP Iwakuma
    sp Rameriz
    sp Noesi
    sp Beaven

    backup in fielder: Andino
    backup catcher:?
    backup outfielder: Wells

    You could put Ibanez/Morse in right.

    Ugh.. What team we have here?

    Wedge doesn’t make trades people. This is all Jack.

  57. greentunic on January 16th, 2013 4:37 pm

    Jaso is such an Oakland guy too.

    Underrated, high OBP. Sad they see the value more than the M’s do…

    God…

  58. Mid80sRighty on January 16th, 2013 4:38 pm

    Been a Jack fan since he came in and admired his “stick to the plan” approach…crockpot always tastes better than microwave food. And I can’t fault him for players not wanting to come to the team. But, this offseason has been so much of a disaster that I will be done with Z if this move doesn’t turn out to be a precurser to something else.

  59. Ben Ramm on January 16th, 2013 4:39 pm

    Reducing the temptation to buy the MLB package from DirecTV…

  60. 9inningknowitall on January 16th, 2013 4:44 pm

    I love Zunino ever since I watched him play against the Salem-Keizer Volcanoes and blast 3 huge home runs but to throw him into the starting role for the Mariners is stretching it, but I can see that being the outcome.

  61. californiamariner on January 16th, 2013 4:45 pm

    Oh hey lets help the A’s along the way.

  62. selfloathingMsfan on January 16th, 2013 4:47 pm

    Billy Beane takes another undervalued asset from a lesser GM. Hats off to him.

  63. Gritty Veteran Poster on January 16th, 2013 4:54 pm

    Stunning. I really thought Jack Z was finally building something here. I’ve lost faith in him. Now we will have to start over again after this season and listen to the new GM ask for more patience. Ugh!

  64. Breadbaker on January 16th, 2013 4:56 pm

    Is someone in an office that has a view of Safeco? Is it possible that with the new fences they made left field smaller than at Fenway? Because that is the only size that Morse or Ibanez could patrol.

  65. dirk on January 16th, 2013 4:59 pm

    Who the hell is the pitcher traded to the Nats and don’t we have something just like him in our system?

  66. currcoug on January 16th, 2013 4:59 pm

    Montero is undoubtedly thrilled…and let’s keep in mind that Zduriencik acquired Jaso for the price of a guy with a terrible sexual blot on his record (Josh Lueke, who has been terrible so far for Tampa). I will miss Jaso’s clutch hitting against RHP, but life goes on.

    If Morse stays healthy, it will be interesting to see what numbers he puts up in the “new” Safeco. Morse has a career .822 OPS at Safeco, as I pointed out when Morse was first traded for Langerhans (a trade 99% of the people here applauded).

    It is also worth noting that Morse’s splits against RHP/LHP are fairly close…and Jaso isn’t exactly a great defensive catcher, with horrible splits.

    I also like that the Yankees are once again left out in the cold.

  67. wsm on January 16th, 2013 4:59 pm

    I guess Jack took Dave’s plea for an emergency 3B to heart.

  68. DawgDays on January 16th, 2013 5:02 pm

    When are the M’s signing Olivo?

    These moves make it sound like the old-school Wedge is making the personnel decisions. Need some “bats” and “veteran presence.”

    D:

  69. seattleslew on January 16th, 2013 5:02 pm

    Why?

    Twenty years of this team and this is my reward? For all of Jack’s good moves, he sure has made some awful ones lately.

    Dave, you should be the GM.

  70. 300ZXNA on January 16th, 2013 5:02 pm

    Wow. This is the first time where I am truly starting to wonder if Z will be who takes us to the promised land. His drafting has been good, but man: Morrow, Fister, and now Jaso/Morse. A pretty disturbing list of bad trades by Z and Co.

    Any chance that there is pressure coming from higher up to hurry up and win and this is perhaps an attempt to placate the plebeian masses demanding more offense?

    Also, where does this leave our roster flexibility? This is now starting to look even worse than the Mike Sweeney debacle.

  71. Mzen on January 16th, 2013 5:03 pm

    If we r going to be bad, let’s not screw around…let’s be really bad. Miggy O, hop aboard.

  72. greentunic on January 16th, 2013 5:04 pm

    I pointed out when Morse was first traded for Langerhans (a trade 99% of the people here applauded).

    Is that really true? I wasn’t on USSM at that point but I HATED trading a good hitting SS for a poor hitting corner OF at the time. And I’m not questioning your claim, I’m just surprised if people really DID applaud the trade.

  73. Dustbust on January 16th, 2013 5:07 pm

    We GAVE this fool away 2 years ago!!

    Jaso is going to continually destroy us.

    Wow, terryoftacoma, I just realized those are our starting 5 pitchers. Ugghhh…

    Well, rival GM’s were right; that’s the definition of “desperate”.

  74. jordan on January 16th, 2013 5:08 pm

    I’m so confused. What happened to savvy Jack Z? He’s looking very Bavasi like the past couple years. I want a new GM, but leave Jack in charge of the drafting process. BOOM, problem solved

  75. The Hamms Bear on January 16th, 2013 5:09 pm

    I wonder how Felix likes this one.

  76. Mathball on January 16th, 2013 5:11 pm

    Ummm, I don’t know if anybody has seen the movie I think it was called Moneyball or something like that. Oakland had this GM that worked his way into a two way trade and somehow won the trade. hmmm

    Anybody know what happened to that GM?

  77. downwarddog on January 16th, 2013 5:13 pm

    So much for the $1684 check I just wrote for my share of season tix .. nice work Jack. Way to get rid of the best offensive player on the 2012 team so you can get back a player you gave away for Langerhans. Just brilliant.

  78. currcoug on January 16th, 2013 5:14 pm

    …all this angst over a guy most of baseball thought was barely worth the price of a guy like Josh Lueke.

    About the only criticism I have of the trade is that Jaso would have been under team control for three more years (?), while Morse is a one year rental (with Borass for an agent).

    Who knows? Maybe Zduriencik will deal Morse to the Spankees for a better return at the trading deadline.

  79. thedude1987 on January 16th, 2013 5:15 pm

    I think this has to effect Felix more than any other player. I’m sure he is going to love throwing that change up in the dirt now.

  80. qwerty on January 16th, 2013 5:18 pm

    It’s too early to panic on this one.
    Let the dust settle. Jaso is NOT Carlton Fisk.
    and Morse is NOT Carlos Peguero.

  81. wilchiro on January 16th, 2013 5:19 pm

    Everyone on here is really overreacting to this deal. Jaso is a good player but he’s not a great player. I’d like to see what he could do with more playing time but Michael Morse hasn’t gotten a ton of playing time himself and posted a 3.3 WAR season as recent as 2011. Morse should have a more defined role here and could post a 3+ WAR season with 550+ PAs.

    This team is not done, I highly doubt we head into Opening Day with Montero behind the plate. If we ink Bourn, a catcher and an arm for the rotation we could be looking at a 6 WAR offseason. I wouldn’t be mad with that.

  82. msfanmike on January 16th, 2013 5:19 pm

    The team must really hate Jaso as a catcher to have made this trade. It doesn’t make any sense unless there are other acquisitions that just haven’t been finalized yet.

    Jaso was better than people thought and if you are still uncertain – just look at who traded for him. Billy Bean knows what he is doing.

  83. eponymous coward on January 16th, 2013 5:20 pm

    I guess the team strategy is “find as many cheap 1D/DH types as you can, throw them against a wall, and see what sticks”.

    That being said:

    Morse, Bay and Ibanez, 2012 WAR: 0.6
    Jaso and Wells: 3.9 WAR

    None of the 3 guys we acquired are under 30.

  84. mca on January 16th, 2013 5:21 pm

    This can only mean that Jaso was a clubhouse cancer. I mean literally. Like he was sneaking into the clubhouse with a mad science kit to secretly inject Eric Wedge and the rest of the team’s management with cancerous cells, and this was the only way to stop it. I know it seems implausible, but, speaking of implausible, Jaso for Morse, straight up.

  85. Snuffy on January 16th, 2013 5:22 pm

    The Athletics have just designated catcher George Kottaras.

  86. Bremerton guy on January 16th, 2013 5:23 pm

    Free Mike Morse!

  87. Liam on January 16th, 2013 5:27 pm

    Tom Mcnamara supposedly runs the draft, so how much credit should we be giving to Jack Zduriencik for how great our farm system is?

  88. ivan on January 16th, 2013 5:29 pm

    I’m with qwerty. The caterwauling on this thread is downright embarrassing. Jaso has had one decent season, can’t hit lefties much, and is no better, really, than Montero is defensively. Yet Montero behind the plate is called a “charade” while Jaso’s mediocre defense gets a pass around here, because, yo, OBP.

    I don’t much care for Morse, and this is not a trade I would have made. But it’s hardly the end of the world. This still would have been a rebuilding team even with Hamilton, or Swisher, or Upton.

    And if they have to rush Zunino, so what? He’ll be good enough soon enough. People need to have some perspective. This can’t be the last of the personnel shuffling anyway.

    It’s a young team, with a young core, and that core figures to get better as it gains experience. Highly rated young pitching is on the way. So everybody take a chill pill and quit expecting the moon and the stars.

  89. eponymous coward on January 16th, 2013 5:43 pm

    It’s a young team, with a young core

    Actually, it isn’t, really- the Mariners have been acquiring older players this offeason, as I pointed out. Smoak’s 26, and there are 4363563 players in the mix for the 1B/DH job (all of which are older than he is). You’ve got Ackley and Seager at 24, Montero at 22, but that is about it- Morse? 31. Ryan? 31 with some injury history. Ibañez? 41. Guti? 30 and made out of glass. Even Felix is going to be in his prime at 27 now.

    You have to have a really optimistic projection for Ackley/Seager/Montero to think there’s a huge ceiling ahead for this 25 man roster that we haven’t gotten close to.

  90. 300ZXNA on January 16th, 2013 5:43 pm

    Another unfortunate aspect of this is that the only silver lining of the Lee/Tex trade is gone.

    How on earth is this the front office that had that great run of decisions in 2008-2009.

  91. jordan on January 16th, 2013 5:45 pm

    It’s completely reasonable to lose your shit over this deal, actually.

    3 years of John Jaso = ~2 million
    1 year of Mike Morse = 7 million
    Jaso > Morse

    So, explain that.

  92. californiamariner on January 16th, 2013 5:47 pm

    To anyone saying Jaso has had one good season: How many good seasons has Morse had?

  93. eponymous coward on January 16th, 2013 5:49 pm

    I also think this is a case of “Welp, I have budget but nothing to spend it on, so I’ll spend it here!”

    Thus we get a bunch of guys who have ill defined roles other than “hitter who hopefully will keep us from sucking so much at the plate” (aka Bay, Morse and Ibañez).

    Think about that. We’re going to spend about 10 million dollars on three guys who last year combined for about the same number of WAR as Casper Wells did in many less plate appearances.

    Granted, we’re not locked into them long-term, but… gah.

  94. terryoftacoma on January 16th, 2013 5:49 pm

    We need to quit thinking of Morse and Ibanez has 1b/dh’s. Morse played 102 games in the outfield last year. Ibanez played 92. Ibanez hasn’t played 1b since 2010 and that was 1 game. Morse played only 1 game at 1B last year,too. These two bad defense or no are probably going to make up our outfield with maybe a little DHing along the way.

    Torrealba,Snyder,Shoppach,Schneider,Paulino,Hill, Barajas and our very own Miguel has still available FA catchers. Take your pick.

  95. Paul B on January 16th, 2013 5:51 pm

    The Mariners just traded 3 years of a cheap left handed catcher who was their best hitter last year for 1 year of a guy who is awful in the field and will likely be worth 1 WAR.

    This makes absolutely no sense no matter how you try to spin it.

  96. californiamariner on January 16th, 2013 5:51 pm

    Just because Morse and Ibanez have played OF, doesn’t mean we want them playing OF.

  97. terryoftacoma on January 16th, 2013 5:53 pm

    @californiamariner

    Doesn’t seem to matter what we want. They’ll play there. We might has well get use to the idea.

  98. kmsandrbs on January 16th, 2013 5:57 pm

    Sigh. I read about this trade and my reaction was “Really? Why?” while it seems like a pretty obviously bad move, it does not seem to be end-of-the-world type stuff.

    Was this desperation? Does every team out there (other than Oakland) give Jaso low-value? Because I would think that any shopping of him would have provided SOME other options.

  99. californiamariner on January 16th, 2013 6:00 pm

    I guess it doesn’t matter what we want. We want them to win; that’s never happening with these moves.

  100. dirkvdb on January 16th, 2013 6:00 pm

    terryoftacoma

    That is exactly why people are upset about the trade.

  101. abun24 on January 16th, 2013 6:01 pm

    mostly a dissappointing trade. Not franchise altering obviously, but still seems boneheaded. had useful hitter in useful place, now have similarly useful hitter in overloaded place. Maybe Smoak is leaving?

    But, woohoo, morse..

  102. terryoftacoma on January 16th, 2013 6:03 pm

    This is twice now that teams have sold low on Jaso is there something the Rays and now Mariners see that we don’t?

  103. spankystout on January 16th, 2013 6:06 pm

    Ugh…what a short sighted move. I wish perfect health for Morse because this trade sucks. At least Capps wasn’t thrown in, or something worse.

  104. G-Man on January 16th, 2013 6:17 pm

    I’m thinking there is another shoe to drop. Else we have DHs out the ying yang.

  105. crazyray7391 on January 16th, 2013 6:29 pm

    After going through all the same emotions as everyone else (frustration, anger, numbness,ect) I may have found a tiny silver lining to this trade. Maybe now that we have so many “outfielders” Carlos Peguero won’t see ANY time out there at all this season.

  106. bongo on January 16th, 2013 7:10 pm

    I am so jazzed about this trade that I am going to attend opening day… in Oakland.

  107. nvn8vbryce on January 16th, 2013 7:15 pm

    This signing made my temptation to drive to Oakland to catch a game that much less… Something else has to be going on… My bet is on a sale of the team.

  108. currcoug on January 16th, 2013 7:27 pm

    “This is Bavasi-esque”

    Pure hyperbole…Bavasi would have dealt Nick Franklin and Jaso for Morse.

  109. Seattleken on January 16th, 2013 7:38 pm

    As I have been expressing for a while now Jack Z., is not what they made him out to be. He is not at all interested in statistical measures for players. Hes a pure old style style scout who an easy mark for GMs who know how to use a spreadsheet. He trades for guys who have face and look good in a uniform not ones who are good at baseball.

    DHs are losing their value because of the need for 12 man pitching staff. So what does Jack do get Bay, Ibanez, Morse, and Morales this off season! Thats four players whose ideal position is DH when he could have just signed Hafner! Instead he spends more creates a hole in the rotation and catcher and even helps Oakland and LAA.

    Dumb! Its time for him to move back to being a lead scout.

  110. Kazinski on January 16th, 2013 8:05 pm

    This trade is why they made a movie about Billy Beane, and Jack isn’t even going to get a minute on Tosh.0.

    I’m struggling to rationalize this trade, but here is what I can come up with: catcher is a more critical defensive position than LF, Wedge and Jack think that Jaso is more of a deficiency at catcher than Morse is in LF. Morse has a career 127 wRC+, Jaso a career 116 wRC+.

    Of course that rationalization depends on never having seen either player actually play. Or pay any attention to how many years of team control are left. I think Jack must have been told if he doesn’t get to at least .500 this year he is gone, and I’m willing to bet they are going to forget about maximizing Zunnino’s years under control and he is going to open the season in the bigs come hell or high water.

  111. Section329 on January 16th, 2013 8:18 pm

    Whatever Dave and eponymous said. The thought of Ibanez and Morse in the outfield is almost enough to get me to quit keeping score. Jaso for Morse is abominable.

    ARRRRGGHH!!!!!!!

  112. mln on January 16th, 2013 10:14 pm

    “Mariners Do Stupid Thing”

    This could be a catchy slogan for the M’s upcoming 2013 marketing campaign.

  113. The_Waco_Kid on January 16th, 2013 10:47 pm

    Imagine a starting lineup of Montero at catcher, Ibanez in left, and Morse in right.

  114. GhostofMarinersPast on January 16th, 2013 11:28 pm

    All this mess. Creating an even bigger roster catastrophe. One word explains this. Upton. Being spurned by “He who shall not be Named” has apparently spun J-Z into HOVA mode. If the previous trade had gone through I could have seen promoting Hultzen and signing Marcum and looking to get into the fray. But lets face it, our roster is embarrassing now. In the last 10 years, being a mariners fan has shifted to being the baseball equivalent of the Cleveland Browns, or the Charlotte Bobcats or the Milwaukee Mondays Trivia Squad. JUSTIN!!! WHY??? we would have loved and adored you!!! Mike Morse. Cool. I’ll set the first DL stint over/under at May 11th…..and GO!

  115. stevemotivateir on January 17th, 2013 8:57 am

    What really surprises me, is the level of support and excitement I’m seeing over on the Mariner website. From that point, this appears to be a PR success for Jack.

    But it really saddens me that so many people really don’t get just how valuable Jaso is, and how this effects us (and Oakland) long term.

    I would seriously rank this as the worst trade since the Bedard deal.

  116. big hawna on January 17th, 2013 9:44 am

    Ms now have the 4th best starting rotation in AL West, and they cant hit. Yup, another Bad Z trade, indeed. To nitpick, trading Fister, a young minimum waged, #2 pitcher, for roster filler is way worse, not even close.

    In the parlance of the time, Jack Z is bad at baseball. The best two moves of the Jack Z era, were done by Justin Upton {by nixing a panic trade} and by Ichiro (by trading himself).

    Jack Z aint the answer. Nice talent evaluator, nice guy, bad GM. There is a reason why he was organization guy for 20 years.

  117. eponymous coward on January 17th, 2013 11:57 am

    Imagine a starting lineup of Montero at catcher, Ibanez in left, and Morse in right.

    Imagine that lineup with Bay in CF.

  118. firecap81 on January 18th, 2013 10:22 am

    So…….when are we going to re-sign Miguel Olivo?

  119. firecap81 on January 18th, 2013 10:53 am

    “Who knows? Maybe Zduriencik will deal Morse to the Spankees for a better return at the trading deadline…..”

    Yeah, because we got such a haul from them for Ichiro. The guy we traded for just passed through waivers with every team in the major leagues passing on him. I’m stoked.

  120. firecap81 on January 18th, 2013 11:02 am

    “Now we will have to start over again after this season and listen to the new GM ask for more patience. Ugh”

    I think you have stumbled on to the real Mariner’s plan. Hire some old boy network guy as general manager. Let his incompetence run it’s course for 5 years and then hire another at lower pay. The only good GM we ever had was run out of town for making too much money.

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