Game 13, Rangers at Mariners
Joe Saunders vs. Alexi Ogando, 7:10pm
I’ve been at CenturyLink Field today, watching a team off to an even more disappointing start than the M’s. I did hear that Franklin Gutierrez’s leg tightness has returned, necessitating a second consecutive Ibanez/Chavez/Bay outfield. Don’t mock it; they’re undefeated in the ‘victory’ formation.
Line-up
1: Chavez, CF
2: Bay, RF
3: Morales, DH
4: Ibanez, LF
5: Smoak, 1B
6: Seager, 3B
7: Shoppach, C
8: Ackley, 2B
9: Ryan, SS
SP: Saunders
The Rainiers are continuing yesterday’s home opener today. Mike Zunino has another RBI already, and Ferris HS grad and one-time UW Husky Andrew Kittredge is making his AAA debut. DJ Mitchell elected to become a free agent after he was DFAd to make room for Endy Chavez.
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All I know is that St. Louis, who I believe is a bit more successful organization than us, gave up on him a year after he hit 290 with a 340 OBP. I agree that he is an excellent defensive player but I am tired of seeing the 20 percent strikeout rate from a number 9 hitter, chasing balls out of the strike zone with a big swing with runners on, and choking in the field when our beleaguered pitchers need him most. In the past, I have focused on those “wow” plays and overlooked the offensive futility. But now, we have guys that are almost ready, so let’s move on and put someone in there who can put the bat on the ball occasionally.
I would like to see the M’s winning too but the reality is that as bad as they have been hitting their record should be a lot worse than it is.
Brendan Ryan is the last person I would blame their slow start on.
I watch enough to know that Ryan does not belong in a big league line up. And I thought this site was devoted more to fans who believe numbers and facts should take precedence over the number of times that we high five each other over a great Ryan defensive play. Perhaps you are watching and listening to Sims and Blowers team sponsored accolades for a poor hitter with an abundance of mental lapses in the field.
Even with his Fielding Bible award last year he was a far below league average player. I would take Jhonny Peralta who looks very unsure in the field when I watch him, but was a 2.5 WAR shortstop on a pennant winning team last year.
We should take the opportunity to unload him now to a team that needs him–Toronto–for a very short time period and give Miller, Franklin, and/or Carlos a shot when they are on a roll.
gopilots-
Really? “I watch enough to know that Ryan does not belong in a big league lineup?” (Pretty much shot down your own statement there…)
The best defensive short stop in baseball shouldn’t play baseball? And your other point makes no sense either…
St. Louis “gave up” on one of the best defensive short stops in a year he hit .290? Really? You think that’s an accurate assessment of how that went down? Top 5 shortstop batting almost .300? They didn’t like what they saw there? Couldn’t have been some other sort of decision?
I suppose they gave up on Pujols too? Too much power?
(And right back at ya– I’ve seen enough of CARLOS TRIUNFEL to know he doesn’t belong on a big league roster!)
Not sure if any of your retorts make any sense but….I am not saying he shouldn’t be playing baseball, but he should not be an everyday player. As I said, he might be a nice fit for Toronto with the Reyes injury. He could play there for three months and with their offense, his futility at the plate might be overlooked for a while. And today they started Muenori Kawasaki…remember how much everybody loved him just as they like Ryan’s personality now.
As I said, St. Louis gave up on him one year after he hit 290 and for Makiel Cleto. The story was that Tony LaRussa (no Eric Wedge, I know) didn’t like his mental lapses in the field and his propensity to accept mistakes and losing with a funny imitation of somebody in the clubhouse. We saw two of those lapses today to lose a ballgame we should have won. And we saw a sub-Mendoza line hitter take a homerun swing on a low and away pitch with three balls and two runners on and no out. Unacceptable to winning managers.
And your point about Pujols seems like you are comparing $275 million to Makiel Cleto.
Point being there are OTHER reasons to not bring a player back, usually $$$’s related.
I can only go by what you said and you said he doesn’t belong in a big league lineup.
So, yeah, sorry for misunderstanding what you meant by going by what you actually said.
Brendan Ryan is probably 7th or 8th down the list of “things that need fixing” in this lineup.
I watch/or listen to nearly every Mariners baseball game and I’m not remembering all these important situations where he made a mental lapse. I remember LOTS of spectacular plays, where a ball headed for the outfield didn’t get there, and beat the batter to first base.
If your opinion is based on his days in St. Louis, well, I can’t help you. But he’s been here quite a few years and I don’t think there’s much evidence to support your point of view while he’s been in a Mariners uniform.
Just sounds like you don’t care much to watch him play baseball. A lot of us do. He’s averaged nearly 4 WAR per season as a Mariner, even with his awful batting last year (3.5 WAR last season).
Okay…Like I said I do think he is an excellent defensive player. And I do love it when he makes a great play which is often. I just don’t think his defense balances out his offense
It was just so frustrating today to lose agame we should have won. I just think its time to make a move there because we have some guys in the minors who can play and I am willing to still wait for Ackley, Smoak, Seager and Montero because there is a possibility that they can still become valuable players.
Ryan has a TOTAL of 4.2 WAR in 2 seasons with the Mariners and this year is already looking more like last year’s 1.4 if that.
Cheers for your comments and lets win tomorrow and Brendan drives in two.
The Mariners’ talent evaluation is very very bad. This team was poorly constructed. Not much else to say but wait until next year? Maybe? Please? Nah.
I don’t know where that 4 WAR/year for Brendan Ryan is coming from. Only Felix is good enough to provide that sort of value for this franchise.
Compared to everything else ailing this team Brendan’s lack of production isn’t a huge problem. But if a team like Toronto inquired I would certainly listen.
Actually, I’m tired of Brendan too at this point. I’d sacrifice a *little* defense to get *some* clue at the plate. He waves at the worst pitches and strikes out more than I’d like for someone with zero power. With him in the lineup, it’s almost like watching a pitcher bat in the NL, and if he’s up there with runners on, I turn my attention to whoever is in the on-deck circle.