Game 13, Rangers at Mariners

marc w · April 13, 2013 at 6:38 pm · Filed Under Mariners 

Joe Saunders vs. Alexi Ogando, 7:10pm

I’ve been at CenturyLink Field today, watching a team off to an even more disappointing start than the M’s. I did hear that Franklin Gutierrez’s leg tightness has returned, necessitating a second consecutive Ibanez/Chavez/Bay outfield. Don’t mock it; they’re undefeated in the ‘victory’ formation.

Line-up
1: Chavez, CF
2: Bay, RF
3: Morales, DH
4: Ibanez, LF
5: Smoak, 1B
6: Seager, 3B
7: Shoppach, C
8: Ackley, 2B
9: Ryan, SS
SP: Saunders

The Rainiers are continuing yesterday’s home opener today. Mike Zunino has another RBI already, and Ferris HS grad and one-time UW Husky Andrew Kittredge is making his AAA debut. DJ Mitchell elected to become a free agent after he was DFAd to make room for Endy Chavez.

Comments

60 Responses to “Game 13, Rangers at Mariners”

  1. californiamariner on April 13th, 2013 6:51 pm

    I can’t believe Blowers is going on and on about how good Saunders is in this ballpark. Maybe, just maybe, the competition he faced had something to do with that

  2. Westside guy on April 13th, 2013 7:03 pm

    I really hope the team realizes it can’t continue to rely on multiple aging, injury-prone players. One Saunders and Morse are back, Bay’s days should be numbered.

    However the team did give him money, so I expect he’ll be on the roster all season – no matter how bad he plays.

  3. Westside guy on April 13th, 2013 7:11 pm

    Bring the fences in!

  4. californiamariner on April 13th, 2013 7:25 pm

    Can’t rely on old injury prone players for too long. Or even rely on prospects for too long (SMOAK). I’m fine giving Ackley a lot of time but Smoak has to be running out of time.

  5. Westside guy on April 13th, 2013 7:29 pm

    Ya think maybe Shoppach will start getting a lot more starts behind the dish?

    Also, did Blowers really just say that Wedge would prefer a productive out over a hit here?

    Ackley with a hit!

  6. californiamariner on April 13th, 2013 7:32 pm

    There you go Ackley right on cue!

  7. Westside guy on April 13th, 2013 7:41 pm

    Nice blooper Jason!

  8. californiamariner on April 13th, 2013 7:43 pm

    There you go Bay way to smoke it!

  9. californiamariner on April 13th, 2013 7:50 pm

    Oh no Brendan we needed that one

  10. Westside guy on April 13th, 2013 7:54 pm

    Come on guys…

  11. Sports on a Shtick on April 13th, 2013 7:58 pm

    Smoak should’ve went home with that but all things considered a pretty fortunate outcome.

  12. Hammy57 on April 13th, 2013 7:58 pm

    Ryan just cost us a run by not going back to first to Smoak. That would have been a force play and the run wouldn’t have counted! But since the pickle play wasn’t a force the run counts.

  13. wayupwaydown on April 13th, 2013 7:59 pm

    Saunders has done a nice job tonight.

  14. californiamariner on April 13th, 2013 8:00 pm

    No Ryan had no chance of getting the out at 1st.
    Smoak blew it though

  15. henryv on April 13th, 2013 8:15 pm

    If Lou Brock is a Hall of Famer, Edgar Martinez is.

  16. californiamariner on April 13th, 2013 8:16 pm

    At least Ackley seems to be hitting the ball harder.

  17. Westside guy on April 13th, 2013 8:17 pm

    Lou Brock stole a few more bases than Edgar, though. :-D

  18. californiamariner on April 13th, 2013 8:20 pm

    Saunders doing a heck of a job.

  19. henryv on April 13th, 2013 8:20 pm

    So did Vince Coleman.

  20. henryv on April 13th, 2013 8:22 pm

    Edgar: 66.6 WAR
    Brock: 43 WAR

    And Brock got a 3 year head start.

  21. Westside guy on April 13th, 2013 8:23 pm

    Michael Saunders and Jason Bay are probably mouthing the words to “Oh Canada” during the song.

  22. Hammy57 on April 13th, 2013 8:23 pm

    Yeah, and we know how much the Hall of Fame takes WAR into account…

  23. henryv on April 13th, 2013 8:23 pm

    … My home and native land…”

  24. Westside guy on April 13th, 2013 8:26 pm

    Edgar was a stud even if you only look at traditional stats!

    .312/.418/.515 is just absurd.

  25. tdhseattle on April 13th, 2013 8:32 pm

    Capps reminds me of Jeff Nelson as far as his arm angle is concerned.

  26. henryv on April 13th, 2013 8:33 pm

    Seems like Nelly was just a little further down.

  27. Hammy57 on April 13th, 2013 8:34 pm

    That’s what she said.

  28. tdhseattle on April 13th, 2013 8:35 pm

    True. Gosh I remember how devastating Nelly’s slider was, man! ….that is, when he could locate it. C’Mon Capps!!!!

  29. henryv on April 13th, 2013 8:37 pm

    Nelly was awesome in that he also punched some douche from Boston.

  30. tdhseattle on April 13th, 2013 8:39 pm

    Aww Capp…i mean,CRAP! perfectly placed

  31. californiamariner on April 13th, 2013 8:40 pm

    Gentry scored after taking strike 3.

  32. JasonJ on April 13th, 2013 8:40 pm

    That’s why you can’t walk the lead-off hitter in a tie game. Capps has been really frustrating so far.

  33. Westside guy on April 13th, 2013 8:42 pm

    Bah.

  34. Breadbaker on April 13th, 2013 8:42 pm

    Carter Capps is not being very impressive, as well as looking like he isn’t old enough to drive.

  35. Sports on a Shtick on April 13th, 2013 8:42 pm

    Carter Capps isn’t very good.

  36. WTF_Ms on April 13th, 2013 8:43 pm

    Leaving the pitcher in too long. It’s a team culture thing. Every manager/pitching coach does the same thing. Capps is done, another pitcher has been ready for 2 batters…why NOT bring him in??? Lefty/Righty match-up crap???

  37. nvn8vbryce on April 13th, 2013 8:43 pm

    Well, we just Capped off a chance at victory…

  38. californiamariner on April 13th, 2013 8:46 pm

    You guys are overreacting a bit. He struck out the first batter but the ump missed it. The only well hit ball all inning was Beltre.

  39. WTF_Ms on April 13th, 2013 8:48 pm

    “The ump missed it…”….nice. THAT’s positive thinking!

  40. gopilots70 on April 13th, 2013 8:51 pm

    Time to get rid of Ryan. The all defense experiment has failed. He saves us 30 runs on defense in games we are behind and never fails to clank it up in key situations. And, once again flails at ball four with two runners on and no out. Go with some combo of Miller, Franklin and Triunfel. It can’t be any worse at SS and Ryan won’t be with us if and when we ever get good.

  41. californiamariner on April 13th, 2013 8:51 pm

    It was kind of a big miss given the situation.

  42. gopilots70 on April 13th, 2013 8:51 pm

    Ryan should be sent to Toronto for a B level prospect.

  43. juneau_fan on April 13th, 2013 8:57 pm

    Perez’s stance cracks me up.

  44. Nate on April 13th, 2013 8:57 pm

    Dear Mariners,

    I am so tired of this. I love baseball, but can only take so much avoidable futility from the team I would love nothing more than to root for. Please turn it around soon.

    -baseball fan

  45. WTF_Ms on April 13th, 2013 9:08 pm

    And it ends the way it always does. With a feeble whimper. Again. Not even 20 games in and it’s getting old fast.

  46. absolutsyd on April 13th, 2013 9:20 pm

    The people bitching about Ryan just kill me. He isn’t supposed to freaking hit guys, we kind of know that. And, what’s this? Smoak, Montero, Ackley and Seeger all have a WORSE OPS THAN RYAN! Hell, Bay and Rauuuuuuuuul even have worse averages than he does. Ryan is not the freaking problem here.

  47. riversurge24 on April 13th, 2013 9:25 pm

    The problem is that the Mariners haven’t had a really competitive team since 2003. You go 10 years without something positive then what do you expect will happen.. Attendance sinks and people don’t care.

    They better hope the Sonics don’t come back in town because whatever remaning attendance they have will get sucked dry by the return of the NBA.

  48. gopilots70 on April 13th, 2013 9:26 pm

    But Ryan is supposed to turn easy double plays in the 7th inning when we are up 1-0 against a key division rival…This is why St. Louis gave up on him. He doesn’t get the job done in key situations on defense or at the plate so why are we keeping him out there? I agree that Bay and Raul have no business on the team…but at least the young guys have some promise for the future. Ryan does not. Today he was the problem. Again

  49. Westside guy on April 13th, 2013 9:40 pm

    If you’ve somehow managed to not see Brendan Ryan make one important defensive play after another, I don’t know what to tell you.

    He muffed a play tonight, and it cost the team. But much more often he’s making plays where other shortstops don’t even get to the ball.

  50. californiamariner on April 13th, 2013 9:49 pm

    If you haven’t seen Ryan make huge defensive plays you aren’t watching nearly enough to comment on this team.

  51. gopilots70 on April 13th, 2013 9:54 pm

    All I know is that St. Louis, who I believe is a bit more successful organization than us, gave up on him a year after he hit 290 with a 340 OBP. I agree that he is an excellent defensive player but I am tired of seeing the 20 percent strikeout rate from a number 9 hitter, chasing balls out of the strike zone with a big swing with runners on, and choking in the field when our beleaguered pitchers need him most. In the past, I have focused on those “wow” plays and overlooked the offensive futility. But now, we have guys that are almost ready, so let’s move on and put someone in there who can put the bat on the ball occasionally.

  52. SeattleSlew on April 13th, 2013 9:58 pm

    I would like to see the M’s winning too but the reality is that as bad as they have been hitting their record should be a lot worse than it is.

    Brendan Ryan is the last person I would blame their slow start on.

  53. gopilots70 on April 13th, 2013 10:24 pm

    I watch enough to know that Ryan does not belong in a big league line up. And I thought this site was devoted more to fans who believe numbers and facts should take precedence over the number of times that we high five each other over a great Ryan defensive play. Perhaps you are watching and listening to Sims and Blowers team sponsored accolades for a poor hitter with an abundance of mental lapses in the field.

    Even with his Fielding Bible award last year he was a far below league average player. I would take Jhonny Peralta who looks very unsure in the field when I watch him, but was a 2.5 WAR shortstop on a pennant winning team last year.

    We should take the opportunity to unload him now to a team that needs him–Toronto–for a very short time period and give Miller, Franklin, and/or Carlos a shot when they are on a roll.

  54. MrZDevotee on April 13th, 2013 10:41 pm

    gopilots-
    Really? “I watch enough to know that Ryan does not belong in a big league lineup?” (Pretty much shot down your own statement there…)

    The best defensive short stop in baseball shouldn’t play baseball? And your other point makes no sense either…

    St. Louis “gave up” on one of the best defensive short stops in a year he hit .290? Really? You think that’s an accurate assessment of how that went down? Top 5 shortstop batting almost .300? They didn’t like what they saw there? Couldn’t have been some other sort of decision?

    I suppose they gave up on Pujols too? Too much power?

    (And right back at ya– I’ve seen enough of CARLOS TRIUNFEL to know he doesn’t belong on a big league roster!)

  55. gopilots70 on April 13th, 2013 10:56 pm

    Not sure if any of your retorts make any sense but….I am not saying he shouldn’t be playing baseball, but he should not be an everyday player. As I said, he might be a nice fit for Toronto with the Reyes injury. He could play there for three months and with their offense, his futility at the plate might be overlooked for a while. And today they started Muenori Kawasaki…remember how much everybody loved him just as they like Ryan’s personality now.

    As I said, St. Louis gave up on him one year after he hit 290 and for Makiel Cleto. The story was that Tony LaRussa (no Eric Wedge, I know) didn’t like his mental lapses in the field and his propensity to accept mistakes and losing with a funny imitation of somebody in the clubhouse. We saw two of those lapses today to lose a ballgame we should have won. And we saw a sub-Mendoza line hitter take a homerun swing on a low and away pitch with three balls and two runners on and no out. Unacceptable to winning managers.

    And your point about Pujols seems like you are comparing $275 million to Makiel Cleto.

  56. MrZDevotee on April 13th, 2013 11:15 pm

    Point being there are OTHER reasons to not bring a player back, usually $$$’s related.

    I can only go by what you said and you said he doesn’t belong in a big league lineup.

    So, yeah, sorry for misunderstanding what you meant by going by what you actually said.

    Brendan Ryan is probably 7th or 8th down the list of “things that need fixing” in this lineup.

    I watch/or listen to nearly every Mariners baseball game and I’m not remembering all these important situations where he made a mental lapse. I remember LOTS of spectacular plays, where a ball headed for the outfield didn’t get there, and beat the batter to first base.

    If your opinion is based on his days in St. Louis, well, I can’t help you. But he’s been here quite a few years and I don’t think there’s much evidence to support your point of view while he’s been in a Mariners uniform.

    Just sounds like you don’t care much to watch him play baseball. A lot of us do. He’s averaged nearly 4 WAR per season as a Mariner, even with his awful batting last year (3.5 WAR last season).

  57. gopilots70 on April 13th, 2013 11:48 pm

    Okay…Like I said I do think he is an excellent defensive player. And I do love it when he makes a great play which is often. I just don’t think his defense balances out his offense

    It was just so frustrating today to lose agame we should have won. I just think its time to make a move there because we have some guys in the minors who can play and I am willing to still wait for Ackley, Smoak, Seager and Montero because there is a possibility that they can still become valuable players.

    Ryan has a TOTAL of 4.2 WAR in 2 seasons with the Mariners and this year is already looking more like last year’s 1.4 if that.

    Cheers for your comments and lets win tomorrow and Brendan drives in two.

  58. miscreant on April 14th, 2013 6:48 am

    The Mariners’ talent evaluation is very very bad. This team was poorly constructed. Not much else to say but wait until next year? Maybe? Please? Nah.

  59. Sports on a Shtick on April 14th, 2013 10:07 am

    I don’t know where that 4 WAR/year for Brendan Ryan is coming from. Only Felix is good enough to provide that sort of value for this franchise.

    Compared to everything else ailing this team Brendan’s lack of production isn’t a huge problem. But if a team like Toronto inquired I would certainly listen.

  60. jephdood on April 14th, 2013 10:37 am

    Actually, I’m tired of Brendan too at this point. I’d sacrifice a *little* defense to get *some* clue at the plate. He waves at the worst pitches and strikes out more than I’d like for someone with zero power. With him in the lineup, it’s almost like watching a pitcher bat in the NL, and if he’s up there with runners on, I turn my attention to whoever is in the on-deck circle.

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