Game 16, Tigers at Mariners

marc w · April 17, 2013 at 5:15 pm · Filed Under Mariners 

King Felix vs. Max Scherzer, 7:10pm

Happy Felix Day.
I’m not sure why, but I’ve been thinking about Dustin Ackley a lot today. Part of it may be that he came up in Dave’s fangraphs chat, and then Jeff went a wrote a post about him below. We’re *all* thinking about Dustin Ackley and wondering when things will change, and, increasingly, IF they’ll change. The M’s are set up to be OK against left-handed pitching, with Mike Morse in the middle, Franklin Gutierrez at the top and even Kelly Shoppach and his career .375 wOBA (better than Morse’s career figure) keeping the pressure on pitchers and away from Jesus Montero who could sit back and mash. Against right-handers, the M’s had Morse again (who’s got essentially no splits), Kendrys Morales (who has huge splits), and the kids: Seager, Saunders and Ackley. The M’s team wOBA is below .300 against both lefties and righties, so it’s not that one side or the other is driving the M’s struggles scoring runs. But I would love to have more faith in the offense tonight than I do, and Ackley’s a big part of that.

Max Scherzer is a fastball/slider/change-up pitcher who throws from a low three-quarters arm angle. With plus velocity, a sharp slider and that low angle, he’s crushed right-handers historically. In his career, he’s held righties to a sub-.300 wOBA, and he’s been even better in recent years. In his breakout 2012 campaign, Scherzer struck out 35% of righties, holding them to a .244 OBP. He’ll throw the occasional mistake, so his HR rate is essentially identical, but he strikes out so many and walks so few right-handers, that the M’s absolutely need their lefties to produce. This is where Ackley should shine – just like in the minors, righties find it nearly impossible to strike him out, but his walk rate against them has tumbled as he’s steadfastly refused to punish them for staying in the zone. Kyle Seager’s done what he can, as all of his doubles have come against righties. Hell, even Shoppach’s done well against them in one of those April-split-oddities. This has been a problem, but it hasn’t become a huge one. If Dustin Ackley can’t drive fastballs from righties, we’ll have one.

King Felix attempts to stop his personal losing streak against what’s probably the best line-up in the AL, but the bullpen should be ready after they used Bobby LaFromboise and Yoervis Medina in high-leverage situations last night. Hopefully Carter Capps, Oliver Perez and, if things go well, Tom Wilhelmsen, will be ready. The M’s went and built themselves a specialist bullpen, with three (3) lefty specialists, but they haven’t really been able to deploy it. They had their sidearm-lefty (well, one of them anyway) pitch to Prince Fielder in a tight spot one inning, then left him in to face Victor Martinez, Jhonny Peralta, Matt Tuiasosopo and Austin Jackson the next inning. Before his demotion, Lucas Luetge’d faced 16 righties and only 5 lefties.

The line-up:
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SP: King Felix!

This has been entirely too pessimistic. Today’s game is a brilliant pitching match-up, and it’s Felix day. Baseball often seem designed to stamp out hope, to tantalize and then hide talent, to snip the ligaments you’d been tracking and wishing on for years. As the near-decade of futility casts shadows over every move, every discussion about this team, I find I *need* Felix more. I need to stop wondering about whose seats are hot and why Ackley can’t stop 4-3ing his way out of a job. I need to stop seeing frustration and confusion and something like resignation on the faces of so many faces, from Montero to Wedge. It’s kind of dumb, in that special way sports can be the exactly-right-kind-of-dumb, that an awesome change-up can temporarily push that away, but I’ll take it. I’ll take my optimism where I can find it, and if only Felix is convinced he’s playing for a championship-caliber team, I’ll at least enjoy watching his championship-caliber pitching. Enjoyment is good.

Seems timely to point out Austin Jackson’s strong start and his unbelievable improvement in K rate. See! It’s technically possible to improve, M’s youngsters! If you were worried it was illegal, morally questionable or at least discouraged, it is none of those things.
James Paxton starts in Tacoma against Fresno – game’s at 7pm.
The Jackson Generals lost a tough one today as noted marc w fave’s poor start continued: he blew the save as Mississippi won 3-2. Cuban lefty Roenis Elias was solid for the Generals.

Comments

254 Responses to “Game 16, Tigers at Mariners”

  1. thehemogoblin on April 17th, 2013 5:51 pm

    Who’s the noted marc w fave who blew the save?

  2. marcus_andrews on April 17th, 2013 6:40 pm

    ^ Carson Smith

  3. G-Man on April 17th, 2013 7:03 pm

    Capps, Perez and Wilhemsen weren’t used last night. They had the night before off. Felix is going tonight, so we can expect 7-9 innings from him.

    So why the )*#$*^& did Wedge let the poor rookie pitch to the heart of their lineup with men on base last night???

  4. msfanmike on April 17th, 2013 7:11 pm

    A lineup of “blanks” with no names – boy is that ever appropriate.

  5. Westside guy on April 17th, 2013 7:13 pm

    I see we’re running out one of last season’s lineups.

  6. msfanmike on April 17th, 2013 7:16 pm

    It’s fantasy Mariner lineup time.

    I will take Edgar with the first pick – DH.

  7. californiamariner on April 17th, 2013 7:20 pm

    I’ll take Felix. SP. Doesn’t matter who else we get now :P

  8. msfanmike on April 17th, 2013 7:24 pm

    Ironically, Felix was the only one listed in today’s lineup. I guess that settles it, then.

    I thought for sure someone would take Griffey with the next pick.

  9. californiamariner on April 17th, 2013 7:29 pm

    Well I was about to say Griffey, but it only feels right to say Felix on Felix day.

  10. californiamariner on April 17th, 2013 7:33 pm

    But, if you were taking the best player regardless of fan bias, you might have to take A-Rod.

  11. stevemotivateir on April 17th, 2013 7:45 pm

    Nice start for Felix. Wonder if he’ll see any run support.

  12. msfanmike on April 17th, 2013 7:46 pm

    By informal congressional decree (aka fan bias) I could not select A-Rod second. But I wouldn’t otherwise argue.

  13. msfanmike on April 17th, 2013 7:48 pm

    I wish Wedge would move both Montero and Ackley way up in the batting order … Just so they could get their shitty AB’s out of the way sooner – and for no other reason.

  14. stevemotivateir on April 17th, 2013 7:50 pm

    Crap. Is every Mariner going to strike out tonight?

  15. msfanmike on April 17th, 2013 7:51 pm

    So far the “blanks” are living up to their billing.

  16. msfanmike on April 17th, 2013 7:52 pm

    How’s the store, Steve?

  17. Westside guy on April 17th, 2013 7:52 pm

    No. Felix won’t.

  18. msfanmike on April 17th, 2013 7:54 pm

    There are literally dozens of people within the Kings Court tonight.

  19. stevemotivateir on April 17th, 2013 7:56 pm

    No luck yet, Mike. Still trying to find a building. Still teaching for now.

  20. californiamariner on April 17th, 2013 7:57 pm

    Felix is rollin. Lets get him some run support. Like a run of support.

  21. stevemotivateir on April 17th, 2013 7:59 pm

    Franklin! Nice to finally see a hit

  22. MrZDevotee on April 17th, 2013 8:18 pm

    Felix, I just bought you a couple of runs on Ebay. They won’t ship till tomorrow though, so you’re probably out of luck for tonight. Next start, I promise they’ll be here.

    Sorry.

  23. gopilots70 on April 17th, 2013 8:18 pm

    How about let’s start giving Felix some defensive support..

  24. MrZDevotee on April 17th, 2013 8:19 pm

    Nice, Monty.

    Double steal?

    (kidding– poking fun at our awesome speed on base right now)

  25. juneau_fan on April 17th, 2013 8:20 pm

    Ackley, Ackley, Ackley.

  26. stevemotivateir on April 17th, 2013 8:20 pm

    Montero with the Mariners second hit (an inning later). Nice that he got it of a RHP, though he still pulled it.

  27. easternWAmsfan on April 17th, 2013 8:24 pm

    Send.Ackley.down.. i can’t watch anymore

  28. djw on April 17th, 2013 8:28 pm

    Ackley’s DP was bad luck, he hit the ball pretty hard. You gotta work harder to get the tag, though.

  29. gopilots70 on April 17th, 2013 8:29 pm

    Last two Felix starts an error ruins his shut-out. Second time in five days a Ryan error ruins a shut out in a tight game with a playoff team

  30. californiamariner on April 17th, 2013 8:30 pm

    Ackley can’t hold his glove there like that it makes it look bad. He held the glove down until he touched Hunter’s hip. If he just swipes at the hand and lifts his glove in the air it’s an out.

  31. msfanmike on April 17th, 2013 8:31 pm

    But … But …. Bat night is just around the corner.

    Actually, he hit the last ball pretty well – but predictably, near the 2B. Grounders to 2B, popups to LF or a K. The new, true three outcome hitter.

  32. gopilots70 on April 17th, 2013 8:33 pm

    Sorry Raul’s error last week did not ruin the shut out, it only gave up the go ahead runs.

  33. gopilots70 on April 17th, 2013 8:47 pm

    And another terrible night of pitch framing by Montero….

  34. Westside guy on April 17th, 2013 8:47 pm

    This feels an awful lot like most of the Felix starts I’ve seen over the past 2-3 seasons.

  35. Westside guy on April 17th, 2013 8:53 pm

    If I hear this veteran crap much more, I’m gonna barf.

    Selective memory much, Blowers? Did you somehow miss all the times veteran Ibañez didn’t “get it done” during the last half dozen games?

  36. msfanmike on April 17th, 2013 9:03 pm

    Raul made a nice play there, but don’t we need Endy in LF at the moment?

  37. juneau_fan on April 17th, 2013 9:09 pm

    I thought Raul made a nice play on the Hunter hit that Ackley then did the ‘looking anywhere but the runner’s hands’ tag on. I bet Hunter ran assuming Raul couldn’t get the ball back in and he did it.

  38. The_Waco_Kid on April 17th, 2013 9:09 pm

    Endy Chavez: late inning pinch hitter

  39. californiamariner on April 17th, 2013 9:10 pm

    Endy Chavez the big time pinch hitter

  40. The_Waco_Kid on April 17th, 2013 9:15 pm

    Triunfel hit for the cycle. Wow.

  41. Section329 on April 17th, 2013 9:18 pm

    Bartender in for a 1-1 game. they want this 100th win for Fifi as bad as we do.

  42. Sports on a Shtick on April 17th, 2013 9:19 pm

    Wish Felix went out for the ninth but The Bartender did his thing. Now let’s win this M’s!

  43. Coolalvin206 on April 17th, 2013 9:20 pm

    Weird, Felix with another dominating performance wasted.

    It’s time to face it, this young core (Smoak,Ackley,Montero,Seager,Saunders) ain’t working out.

  44. Westside guy on April 17th, 2013 9:22 pm

    You’re finding fault with Saunders and Seager?

  45. californiamariner on April 17th, 2013 9:23 pm

    You can’t blame Saunders or Seager.

  46. juneau_fan on April 17th, 2013 9:24 pm

    Do they have a pinch runner on the bench? Or do they just expect Morse to hit a homer?

  47. californiamariner on April 17th, 2013 9:24 pm

    Nice Morales! Too bad we don’t have a useful pinch runner.

  48. henryv on April 17th, 2013 9:25 pm

    Raul might actually have to bunt here.

    GRIT that mother fucker.

  49. juneau_fan on April 17th, 2013 9:26 pm

    Thank the baseball gods for Dotel. The gift that keeps on giving.

  50. Coolalvin206 on April 17th, 2013 9:26 pm

    Bunt bunt bunt

  51. The_Waco_Kid on April 17th, 2013 9:26 pm

    Did they pinch run mid-at bat?

  52. G-Man on April 17th, 2013 9:27 pm

    Remember the days when managers would use a pitcher as a pinch runner? And save their right handed hitter in case they went to a LOOGY? (sigh)

  53. MrZDevotee on April 17th, 2013 9:27 pm

    It’s time the Angels face it… this overpaid Veteran super star core ain’t working out.

    (Said the 4-11 Angels to the 6-9 M’s fans)

    Let’s WIN THIS!

  54. G-Man on April 17th, 2013 9:27 pm

    Waco, yes, at 3-2.

  55. juneau_fan on April 17th, 2013 9:28 pm

    Raul got a triple at some point in his career? Wow.

  56. henryv on April 17th, 2013 9:29 pm

    The only fucking time you should ever bunt… And they don’t. Fuck you Wedge.

  57. juneau_fan on April 17th, 2013 9:30 pm

    I’m shocked. Shocked I tell you.

    And Bay as the pinch runner is just so sad.

  58. Longgeorge1 on April 17th, 2013 9:30 pm

    Obviously should have used Chavez to run we could have used Bay to hit for Raul

  59. henryv on April 17th, 2013 9:30 pm

    That was one fucking gritty GIDP.

  60. Coolalvin206 on April 17th, 2013 9:30 pm

    Wedge is an idiot. BUNT!!!!!!

  61. Westside guy on April 17th, 2013 9:30 pm

    Nice Wedge had the veteran Ibañez at the right spot there. Veteran hitter who knows how to get the job done.

  62. msfanmike on April 17th, 2013 9:30 pm

    Nice use of the grit Wedge … you dumb shit

  63. Section329 on April 17th, 2013 9:31 pm

    Veteran double-play, Raul.

  64. G-Man on April 17th, 2013 9:31 pm

    Wild pitch, I can pray.

  65. MrZDevotee on April 17th, 2013 9:31 pm

    Morse-Ibanez double play… You know, I’m fully aware that a bunt is a wasted at bat, but at least it’s not TWO wasted outs. (Sigh)

  66. The_Waco_Kid on April 17th, 2013 9:31 pm

    G-Man, isn’t that rare?

  67. G-Man on April 17th, 2013 9:31 pm

    Chavez already hit for Ryan.

  68. Westside guy on April 17th, 2013 9:32 pm

    No outs, winning run at second… a bunt would have actually made sense.

  69. djw on April 17th, 2013 9:32 pm

    Wedge’s managerial decisions are pretty incomprehensible tonight.

  70. G-Man on April 17th, 2013 9:32 pm

    Waco, yeah, but I’ve seen it before.

  71. juneau_fan on April 17th, 2013 9:33 pm

    I’m shocke–Okay, I’m not.

  72. SilverLance on April 17th, 2013 9:33 pm

    CHOAK!!!

  73. G-Man on April 17th, 2013 9:33 pm

    There’s something not so rare – a Mariners whiff.

  74. Sports on a Shtick on April 17th, 2013 9:33 pm

    dsafjldsajf gonna take a shower now

    freaking m’s

  75. Coolalvin206 on April 17th, 2013 9:33 pm

    Fuck this team..all around. ( Felix excluded)

  76. G-Man on April 17th, 2013 9:33 pm

    Did I mention that I thought Ryan should have thrown home on that grounder with a runner on third?

  77. MrZDevotee on April 17th, 2013 9:34 pm

    Hey I just looked up “no brainer” in the dictionary… It said:

    “Pinch hit Endy Chavez for Raul Ibanez, have him bunt, and play defense in the 10th if necessary.”

    Wedge doesn’t own a dictionary it seems. He has no idea of the definition of a no-brainer.

    Oh wait, ALSO under no-brainer– def.2: “Don’t put a minor leaguer making his first appearance into a bases loaded situation with the game on the line and all-stars/mvp’s coming up to bat”

    Yep, Wedge hasn’t seen a dictionary in years.

  78. henryv on April 17th, 2013 9:34 pm

    I’m done with this shit for the night.

    Watching Tosh.0 on DVR.

  79. jordan on April 17th, 2013 9:35 pm

    no. never ever bunt. ever

  80. G-Man on April 17th, 2013 9:36 pm

    Mike Carp highlights – way to rub it in, ROOT.

  81. MrZDevotee on April 17th, 2013 9:38 pm

    Oh wait, I missed that Endy already was up… But how ’bout “no-brainer” def.3– “Why the f___ do you pinch hit with one meager guy, only to replace him with the only other meager guy on the bench for defense?” (face… *SMACK* palm…)

  82. MrZDevotee on April 17th, 2013 9:39 pm

    Henry-
    Oh man, what if Tosh.0 WAS the new Mariner’s announcer… Endless material, and actual entertainment value!

  83. Longgeorge1 on April 17th, 2013 9:40 pm

    They don’t use pitchers for anything anymore except taking up half the roster. Used to have 4 starters, 4 relievers and 16 position players on the roster (only had 24 spots pre DH) Gave managers a lot more flexibility. Used to be common to announce a PH and then after the opposing manager made a pitching change they would hit for the pinch hitter. Everyone is so afraid that a pitcher might get hurt. It is fun to listen to Gaylord Perry and other old school pitchers comment on modern pitchers.

  84. msfanmike on April 17th, 2013 9:41 pm

    Wrong. Two men on and no out – is the right time to bunt if you are only playing for 1 run. Statistical fact. Better odds of scoring 1 (but only 1) run. Of course, you need a guy who can do it and I doubt Raul would have been able to.

  85. californiamariner on April 17th, 2013 9:42 pm

    Lets score 1 lousy run on this sorry bullpen and go home :)

  86. MrZDevotee on April 17th, 2013 9:43 pm

    Okay, for one inning… One inning only– %$^#&!!! I want a dinger. Do it. Andino walk off homerun. Magic!

  87. msfanmike on April 17th, 2013 9:44 pm

    Time for a walk-off.

  88. MrZDevotee on April 17th, 2013 9:46 pm

    Longgeorge…
    It’s also fun to hear Gaylord Perry and guys from that time period say “WTF is a pitch count?”

    When guys weren’t worth $100 million dollars they stayed in there and got it done. Started 45 games, threw 125 pitches a game.

    Times have changed, not always for the better.

  89. Westside guy on April 17th, 2013 9:46 pm

    Come on Ackley – DO SOME DAMAGE.

  90. Sports on a Shtick on April 17th, 2013 9:46 pm

    “Two men on and no out – is the right time to bunt if you are only playing for 1 run. Statistical fact.”

    Right, I believe Tango explains this in The Book.

  91. djw on April 17th, 2013 9:46 pm

    I might seriously consider pinch-running with Kelly Shoppach here.

  92. MrZDevotee on April 17th, 2013 9:47 pm

    Okay, here we go… Ackley double play to the 2nd baseman… THEN– Andino walk-off, I’m calling it.

  93. G-Man on April 17th, 2013 9:47 pm

    Winning run on board – too bad it would take an hour for Jesus to make it home from first.

  94. Westside guy on April 17th, 2013 9:47 pm

    Wedge really is an idiot.

  95. G-Man on April 17th, 2013 9:48 pm

    Barely adequate sac reduces Montero’s ETA to 40 minutes from departure.

  96. californiamariner on April 17th, 2013 9:48 pm

    Now he calls for bunt lolololol

  97. msfanmike on April 17th, 2013 9:48 pm

    Now this is not the time to bunt … Statistically speaking

    … And with Montero now in scoring position, what could possibly go wrong?

  98. MrZDevotee on April 17th, 2013 9:49 pm

    WTF? (I have no sane brain cells left in my head– a bizarre feeling.)

    Mike- IS Montero in scoring position when he’s only at 2nd?

  99. Westside guy on April 17th, 2013 9:50 pm

    That was a dumb bunt decision – we just got lucky the pitcher muffed it. He got to the ball in plenty of time to get the DP.

    Bad process, good result.

  100. msfanmike on April 17th, 2013 9:50 pm

    Good point MrZ.

    I will have to re-evaluate my screening criteria.

  101. MrZDevotee on April 17th, 2013 9:51 pm

    Okay Wedge-
    Use your tiny brain and PINCH HIT with Funky Cold Medina… High leverage situation, use the rookie pitcher!!!!

  102. Westside guy on April 17th, 2013 9:51 pm

    Heck – is Montero in scoring position when he’s on THIRD?

  103. Section329 on April 17th, 2013 9:51 pm

    what-2 M’s walk in 1 inning? Go Guti!

  104. hidalgo on April 17th, 2013 9:52 pm

    Westside, I couldn’t agree more. Two guys on the bench with a little speed, Chavez and Andino, are used up on one play.

  105. Westside guy on April 17th, 2013 9:52 pm

    I didn’t realize Mark Fydrich was still pitching.

  106. MrZDevotee on April 17th, 2013 9:55 pm

    Westy,
    I’m pretty sure that’s the only other time it’s correct to bunt… With Monty on 3rd and no outs, you sacrifice him to 3.5rd. He can score from there on a double if you’re lucky.

  107. Westside guy on April 17th, 2013 9:57 pm

    Hahaha 3.5rd.

  108. WTF_Ms on April 17th, 2013 9:58 pm

    I feel a feeble whimper coming on!!!

    And…there it is.

  109. MrZDevotee on April 17th, 2013 9:59 pm

    So we have 12 guys in our box score for the evening– 3 have averages over .250 two weeks into the season. 4 have averages UNDER .200… And none over .300.

    The Tigers have 9 guys in their box score tonight, 6 over .300, and 1 still over .400.

    (sigh)

  110. poulsbohemian on April 17th, 2013 9:59 pm

    The Tigers radio crew just commented about Wedge’s managerial skill. At the last at bat, one of them mused about the possibility of a “strike ‘em out, throw ‘em out” DP. After a pause, the other said “No way, but you never know with Wedge.” Ugh.

  111. Section329 on April 17th, 2013 9:59 pm

    Crap this looks all too familiar.

  112. msfanmike on April 17th, 2013 10:01 pm

    Perfect description of Seagers swings against that lefty. Feeble. Good call WTF M’s.

  113. jordan on April 17th, 2013 10:02 pm

    yes. a successful bunt by Ibanez would have helped. But what are the chances he gets it down. Actually..what is the MLB average success rate on bunt attempts? It seems to me an attemptrd bunt is actually very rarely dropped down and advances runners as planned.

  114. MrZDevotee on April 17th, 2013 10:02 pm

    I’m making shirts… Seriously. Who wants one:

    “No way, but you never know with Wedge.”

    Pure genius.

    The Mariner’s slogan equivalent of Nike’s “Just Do It!”

  115. Coolalvin206 on April 17th, 2013 10:04 pm

    Smoak, Ackley, Montero and Seager combining for 0 HR’s, 10 RBI’s and a .181 batting average..yikes

  116. Longgeorge1 on April 17th, 2013 10:06 pm

    MrZ – They may get paid $100 million but they ain’t worth $100 million. I know a lot of guys probably got hurt pitching 360 innings a year but a lot of guys are still getting hurt – they just are better at fixing elbows and shoulders than even just 10 years ago. I think a lot of guys get hurt training for strength instead of endurance.

  117. hidalgo on April 17th, 2013 10:07 pm

    Mr Z, a Wedge – delicious when covered with blue cheese dressing.

  118. MrZDevotee on April 17th, 2013 10:11 pm

    Is there a chance… Just a tiny chance, that Wedge is the absolute worst manager for a young ball team and just lucked into some future All-Stars during his time in Cleveland? I mean, he started in their minor’s system, and then got promoted– so it was the same good talent he followed along the way.

    ‘Cause Smoak, Ackley, Montero and Seager have all gotten worse the longer they play for the guy.

    Fact, and though Seager’s quick rise through the minor’s was a nice surprise, all 4 were considered pretty good bets coming into the majors. Are they gonna let him fuck up the “top prospect” pitchers we have too? How many does he get to ruin? (‘Scuse my French, by the way.)

  119. Westside guy on April 17th, 2013 10:11 pm

    Now THAT was the DTFT we all know and love!

  120. djw on April 17th, 2013 10:11 pm

    All right, if they don’t score here, I’m going to bed. Gotta work for a living.

  121. Westside guy on April 17th, 2013 10:14 pm

    Come on Bay, remember who you used to be!

  122. hidalgo on April 17th, 2013 10:14 pm

    Coolavin, don’t forget we moved in the fences to help the fragile egos of our young players.

  123. Westside guy on April 17th, 2013 10:15 pm

    No, Jason, I meant further back than a year ago…

  124. MrZDevotee on April 17th, 2013 10:16 pm

    Westy- DAMMIT… Be more specific… “Remember who you used to be… BEFORE THE PAST TWO YEARS…” He went to the immediate past.

    You gotta spell it out for these guys. *laugh*

  125. juneau_fan on April 17th, 2013 10:16 pm

    We’ve all got a Wedgie tonight!

    (I’m trying to develop a catchphrase. Work with me here)

  126. msfanmike on April 17th, 2013 10:16 pm

    Bay is awesome.

  127. Westside guy on April 17th, 2013 10:17 pm

    Ibañez is so gritty it’s running down his leg there.

  128. MrZDevotee on April 17th, 2013 10:17 pm

    Westy-
    You beat me to the punchline… Still funny though.

  129. WTF_Ms on April 17th, 2013 10:17 pm

    These guys can continue mediocrity all night!

  130. msfanmike on April 17th, 2013 10:18 pm

    Raul is awesome

  131. Westside guy on April 17th, 2013 10:18 pm

    Hehe MrZ, we both realized my mistake.

  132. Westside guy on April 17th, 2013 10:19 pm

    I’m worried Mike is going to get the chance to declare the entire roster “awesome”.

  133. Longgeorge1 on April 17th, 2013 10:19 pm

    Hey we’ve held the TIGERS to 1 run for over 3 hours

  134. MrZDevotee on April 17th, 2013 10:19 pm

    Juneau-
    How ’bout:

    “The Wedge is illegal in the NFL now– let’s hear it for MLB too!”

    (Okay, not very good, but a man’s gotta have dreams… Even at my age.)

  135. hidalgo on April 17th, 2013 10:20 pm

    I’m wondering about the softball player in the Amica commercial. A foul ball is about to hit his windshield. But he’s standing there with a glove under his arm! What’s up with this guy???

  136. MrZDevotee on April 17th, 2013 10:21 pm

    Okay, game over… Longgeorge just blew it for us with the “we’ve held them to 1 run for over 3 hours” thing.

    Final score:

    Detroit 6
    Mariners 1

  137. MrZDevotee on April 17th, 2013 10:22 pm

    “I’m wondering about the softball player in the Amica commercial. A foul ball is about to hit his windshield. But he’s standing there with a glove under his arm! What’s up with this guy???”

    Uh, wild guess… Does he look like Jason Bay or Raul Ibanez, by chance?

  138. Westside guy on April 17th, 2013 10:22 pm

    Tui looks different.

  139. juneau_fan on April 17th, 2013 10:23 pm

    Sadly, I’m taking it as a moral victory too, Longgeorge. It’s something!

    For a moment, I thought they’d outlawed Wedgies in the NFL…What happens in the pile for the loose ball stays in the pile…

  140. Longgeorge1 on April 17th, 2013 10:24 pm

    Well we ain’t gonna score and the girlfriend wants to know when I’m coming to bed

  141. Section329 on April 17th, 2013 10:25 pm

    Walking Tui is unforgiveable.

  142. Westside guy on April 17th, 2013 10:25 pm

    At least someone will score tonight.

    /ducks

  143. msfanmike on April 17th, 2013 10:26 pm

    Oliver Perez is awesome.

  144. MrZDevotee on April 17th, 2013 10:26 pm

    Juneau-
    Look… The line is here… And you’re way over here…

    You went way over the line on that last one. Sorry. (laugh)

  145. msfanmike on April 17th, 2013 10:28 pm

    Don’t get balled for a “quick pitch” longgeorge

  146. MrZDevotee on April 17th, 2013 10:28 pm

    And…

    Westy-
    Look… The line is here… And you’re way over here…

    You went way over the line on that last one. Sorry.

    (Useful post I’ve got going…)

  147. G-Man on April 17th, 2013 10:28 pm

    This feels like a game that someone is going to lose rather than someone win.

  148. msfanmike on April 17th, 2013 10:29 pm

    I really meant to say “called”. Freudian slip.

  149. MrZDevotee on April 17th, 2013 10:29 pm

    Longgeorge…

    Just keep relaxed… Get in a good position. No errors, not this late in the game. Focus, focus, focus…

  150. MrZDevotee on April 17th, 2013 10:30 pm

    LMAO at Mike. (I wondered what that meant.)

  151. juneau_fan on April 17th, 2013 10:30 pm

    No, Mr. Z, I went over the line a couple of years ago when I ranted about Joe Blanton’s cupcake ass, which he seems to have sadly dieted away. Still has that gross greasy cap though. But it earned me an ‘er’ from Dave himself!

  152. Westside guy on April 17th, 2013 10:32 pm

    At least we’re having fun, other than watching the game…

  153. The_Waco_Kid on April 17th, 2013 10:33 pm

    PHEW

  154. WTF_Ms on April 17th, 2013 10:33 pm

    For you redditors, OP delivers!

  155. MrZDevotee on April 17th, 2013 10:34 pm

    All Hail Oliver Perez!

    Would it bug you guys (“guys” meaning- on the team) if we asked for a run here? I mean, I know you’re tired… Long game and all. But… Please?

  156. Longgeorge1 on April 17th, 2013 10:35 pm

    Hey the game is still on! I guess that was quick.

  157. msfanmike on April 17th, 2013 10:35 pm

    Alright MrZ … I am making an early season Rob Roy magic time request. Make it happen!

  158. msfanmike on April 17th, 2013 10:36 pm

    Atta baby shortgeorge!

  159. MrZDevotee on April 17th, 2013 10:36 pm

    Tonight’s GameDay is obviously in Classic mode… We’re in the 12th inning of a game in which Felix gave up ZERO earned runs.

    He REALLY loves Seattle, when he says he loves Seattle. I mean, REALLY really…

    I’d be long gone.

  160. juneau_fan on April 17th, 2013 10:36 pm

    How much further in do they have to move those fences???

  161. californiamariner on April 17th, 2013 10:37 pm

    Oh Smoak toying with me. Move in the fences!

  162. msfanmike on April 17th, 2013 10:38 pm

    They didn’t move the RF fence in, unfortunately.

  163. WTF_Ms on April 17th, 2013 10:38 pm

    Smoak would have hit that out of many AAA parks! I say we find out which ones?

  164. Westside guy on April 17th, 2013 10:39 pm

    Hehehe

  165. MrZDevotee on April 17th, 2013 10:39 pm

    I love alliteration which means I’m calling Ackley’s next at bat:

    “Ackley’s ALL OVER Albuquerque… Amen!”

    M’s win 2-1.

  166. The_Waco_Kid on April 17th, 2013 10:39 pm

    Ackley!

  167. juneau_fan on April 17th, 2013 10:39 pm

    Thanks for the reverse curse, Mr. Z.

  168. Westside guy on April 17th, 2013 10:40 pm

    I’m beginning to think Ackley is contractually obligated to hit everything within eight feet of the second baseman.

  169. Section329 on April 17th, 2013 10:40 pm

    Ackley’s alive

  170. MrZDevotee on April 17th, 2013 10:42 pm

    Westy-
    It’s a weird line in his contract, but if every 2nd basemen in the league makes contact with one of his struck balls, a bonus kicks in.

    Nobody thought he could do it. Silly owners.

  171. MrZDevotee on April 17th, 2013 10:43 pm

    (I see what you did there Section329– nodding approvingly)

  172. msfanmike on April 17th, 2013 10:44 pm

    “Blank” is awesome.

  173. californiamariner on April 17th, 2013 10:44 pm

    36 strikeouts so far.

  174. MrZDevotee on April 17th, 2013 10:44 pm

    “Sleep?” is awesome?

  175. Westside guy on April 17th, 2013 10:45 pm

    Don’t worry, guys – if we get to the 19th, we’ve got Cameron coming off the bench.

  176. MrZDevotee on April 17th, 2013 10:46 pm

    You know, looking back Marc was a genius for leaving our offense missing in the “starting lineup”.

  177. Longgeorge1 on April 17th, 2013 10:46 pm

    The pitcher formerly known as Fister

  178. MrZDevotee on April 17th, 2013 10:47 pm

    So, if the game drags past midnight, can we technically call up a player from Tacoma to play in this game? Anyone know?

    Should we get on the phones?

    Peggy, maybe? (ducks)

  179. MrZDevotee on April 17th, 2013 10:48 pm

    Hey, Longgeorge, you’re back. That was quick!

  180. MrZDevotee on April 17th, 2013 10:48 pm

    And now me…

    MrZDevotee-
    Look… The line is here… And you’re way over here…

    You went way over the line on that last one.

    (Still a useful post…)

  181. poulsbohemian on April 17th, 2013 10:52 pm

    36 combined K’s tonight.

    The record (in extra innings) is 43 (July 9th, 1971 – Angels struck out 26 times – A’s 17 times for a total of 43 strikeouts. The A’s won the game in the bottom of the 20th 1 to 0.

  182. Westside guy on April 17th, 2013 10:52 pm

    Maybe Saunders will be eligible to come off the DL before this one ends.

  183. msfanmike on April 17th, 2013 10:54 pm

    When we lose tonight it will mean that we are one loss closer to Wedge being fired. A positive attitude is what it’s all about.

  184. MrZDevotee on April 17th, 2013 10:54 pm

    Wow Poulsbo… We’re actually pretty close. Kinda cool, in an awkward unfun way.

  185. californiamariner on April 17th, 2013 10:54 pm

    We’re going for that strikeout record!

  186. msfanmike on April 17th, 2013 10:55 pm

    Would Ryne Sandberg be a good managerial hire?

  187. poulsbohemian on April 17th, 2013 10:57 pm

    Now up 39 K’s. Fielder has had a rough visit to Safeco… good thing he didn’t sign here. /sarcasm

  188. msfanmike on April 17th, 2013 10:57 pm

    Dave Sims: “Furbush coming up large!”

    That’s just a little too easy, isn’t it? I mean, slo-pitch softball type of easy.

  189. Longgeorge1 on April 17th, 2013 10:57 pm

    kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

  190. Section329 on April 17th, 2013 10:58 pm

    Fielder passed the Golden Sombrero-do we have a baseball saying for 5 Ks?

  191. MrZDevotee on April 17th, 2013 10:58 pm

    Would (insert anyone not named Wedge) be a good managerial hire?

    Answer: YES!

  192. MrZDevotee on April 17th, 2013 10:59 pm

    Y’know the most positive sign of how this game is gonna end is that we’re really close to the strikeout record so of course the M’s will screw it up and score a run.

    Figures.

  193. WTF_Ms on April 17th, 2013 11:00 pm

    Fielder is 0 for 6 and STILL has a .340 average. ….wow we suck at hitting.

  194. poulsbohemian on April 17th, 2013 11:01 pm

    Now it’s 40. Thanks Guti.

  195. MrZDevotee on April 17th, 2013 11:01 pm

    You know, a game like this could make them rethink the steroids rules… (yawn)

  196. juneau_fan on April 17th, 2013 11:02 pm

    Remember way, way, way back in the thread when someone suggested that the bullpen would get a night off because Felix was pitching?

  197. MrZDevotee on April 17th, 2013 11:03 pm

    You know, Poulsbo… We’re sort of ALREADY there (to the record) depending on how many times the pitchers struck out in that game (pre DH-rule).

    So it’s even more impressive what both teams are NOT doing tonight.

  198. MrZDevotee on April 17th, 2013 11:05 pm

    Jesus, Juneau… that was like six hours ago, how are we supposed to remember that?

  199. juneau_fan on April 17th, 2013 11:06 pm

    Hey, I’ve got an hour on you guys. Only 10PM here.

  200. poulsbohemian on April 17th, 2013 11:09 pm

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/OAK/OAK197107090.shtml

    What a game. Dave Neihaus calling the game, Catfish Hunter as a PH, Rudy May struck out 13 in 12 innings, Vida Blue struck out 17 in 11 and Rollie Fingers struck out 7 in 7 innings of relief.

    Billie Cowan struck out 6 times as the biggest whiffer of the day.

  201. The_Waco_Kid on April 17th, 2013 11:10 pm

    Bullpens getting worn down. Too bad the starters didn’t go deeper into the game.

  202. Westside guy on April 17th, 2013 11:10 pm

    Oh MAN…

  203. msfanmike on April 17th, 2013 11:11 pm

    Lets end this thing .., put in Beaven!

  204. Westside guy on April 17th, 2013 11:12 pm

    And tomorrow’s game starts at noon.

  205. californiamariner on April 17th, 2013 11:13 pm

    I know I’m weird but I like these games.

  206. The_Waco_Kid on April 17th, 2013 11:13 pm

    lol almost time for batting practice

  207. Sports on a Shtick on April 17th, 2013 11:14 pm

    I’m rooting for the all-time record for strikeouts in a game.

  208. MrZDevotee on April 17th, 2013 11:14 pm

    See, pitchers had 5 of the K’s in the 1971 game… That’s cheating, in THIS game it’s all come from REAL… er, mostly real… SUPPOSEDLY real? Uh, well non-pitcher hitters. So the futility is more impressive.

    PLUS we’ve done it in WAY fewer innings.

    NOTE: Another reason to keep Vargas would have been he’d have the 2nd or 3rd best batting average in this lineup.

  209. Longgeorge1 on April 17th, 2013 11:14 pm

    The longest MLB game was 26 innings. Brooklyn Dodgers vs. Boston Braves 1920. 1-1 tie called for darkness. Both starters threw complete games

  210. juneau_fan on April 17th, 2013 11:16 pm

    Your wish is coming true! Beavan warming up!

  211. MrZDevotee on April 17th, 2013 11:16 pm

    Wait, is that legal? Can you just put in quicker more athletic guys to run whenever you want? I’ve ever seen that before… *scratches head*

  212. MrZDevotee on April 17th, 2013 11:18 pm

    I think Furbush saw Westy’s reminder about the noon game tomorrow?

  213. poulsbohemian on April 17th, 2013 11:19 pm

    And here comes Beavan… Game over, man.

  214. Longgeorge1 on April 17th, 2013 11:19 pm

    the end is near!

  215. msfanmike on April 17th, 2013 11:19 pm

    There you go … That should seal the deal.

  216. californiamariner on April 17th, 2013 11:20 pm

    OH GREAT BRING IN BEAVAN

  217. MrZDevotee on April 17th, 2013 11:20 pm

    I dunno, what is Detroit supposed to do here without Raul Ibanez to swing away with two on, nobody out, and needing run.

    A real dilema for the manager.

    Forfeit? Maybe.

  218. juneau_fan on April 17th, 2013 11:21 pm

    He’s shaved so no one will recognize him. Or maybe he wants to wear the beard hat.

  219. MrZDevotee on April 17th, 2013 11:21 pm

    “And here comes Beavan… Game over, man.”

    Yep, and someone reminded Wedge it’s at noon tomorrow.

  220. juneau_fan on April 17th, 2013 11:23 pm

    *head desk*

  221. Westside guy on April 17th, 2013 11:23 pm

    Mike called it.

  222. poulsbohemian on April 17th, 2013 11:24 pm

    “Everybody’s safe.”

    They execute bunt perfectly, but we didn’t consider it earlier in the game. *facepalm*

  223. juneau_fan on April 17th, 2013 11:25 pm

    The umps want to go home too. They’ll give the game to anyone who’ll take it.

  224. MrZDevotee on April 17th, 2013 11:25 pm

    Good news is, after Detroit scores, if we strike out 3 times in the bottom, we TIE THE RECORD!

  225. Longgeorge1 on April 17th, 2013 11:26 pm

    Game ,Set,Match

  226. MrZDevotee on April 17th, 2013 11:27 pm

    Westy-
    YOU called it. As soon as you mentioned the day game tomorrow, the Mariners went into losing “high gear”. There’s obviously a “smart phone” in the dugout.

    We all owe you, big time.

  227. californiamariner on April 17th, 2013 11:29 pm

    Even though it is not really his fault for what he inherited, it just feels good to blame Beavan for every loss.

  228. Longgeorge1 on April 17th, 2013 11:29 pm

    At least we have ” murderers row” set to bat this inning

  229. Westside guy on April 17th, 2013 11:32 pm

    Beavan had his iPad in the dugout and was reading USSM.

  230. MrZDevotee on April 17th, 2013 11:33 pm

    NO!!!!

    There goes the K record… EXACTLY like when we swept the final series to lose the #1 pick a few years ago (waves “hi” to Acley)… We can’t even do BAD right.

    *laugh*

  231. MrZDevotee on April 17th, 2013 11:34 pm

    “Beavan had his iPad in the dugout and was reading USSM.”

    And then he tweeted the rest of the team, even though they were all sitting next to him. Times they are a changing.

  232. juneau_fan on April 17th, 2013 11:35 pm

    Smoak only had one strikeout? That’s cray-cray.

    Okay, Ackley…

  233. Westside guy on April 17th, 2013 11:37 pm

    What a dumb decision.

  234. poulsbohemian on April 17th, 2013 11:37 pm

    *throws his computer through a window*

  235. pgreyy on April 17th, 2013 11:38 pm

    ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGHHHHHH!

  236. MrZDevotee on April 17th, 2013 11:38 pm

    This one is SOLELY on Wedge.

    Period.

    Tigers used the RIGHT CALL that he didn’t make– to score the run that won the game.

    Same damn scenario– 2 on, no out, need 1 run.

    And they scored it with a sac bunt and FC. Not even a hit.

    Dumb stuff.

  237. spuuky on April 17th, 2013 11:38 pm

    To be fair, 2 outs with Andino coming up might as well be the end of the game anyway. I’d count on a randomly terrible throw more than I’d count on Andino getting a hit.

  238. californiamariner on April 17th, 2013 11:38 pm

    Wow, what a crazy game.

  239. pgreyy on April 17th, 2013 11:39 pm

    I know, I know…two outs, you might not get another hit…you’ve got to take the chance when you can.

    But who sends Smoak (SMOAK!!!) to be meat by four steps to end the game?

    WHO DOES THAT?

  240. WTF_Ms on April 17th, 2013 11:39 pm

    Coaching staff needs to go….all of them. That is all.

  241. MrZDevotee on April 17th, 2013 11:39 pm

    (to be fair, the sac bunt WAS a hit, but that was OUR fault too…)

  242. juneau_fan on April 17th, 2013 11:40 pm

    And yet again, a pinch runner with actual speed may have gotten that run. Glad to see Ackley make contact though.

  243. The_Waco_Kid on April 17th, 2013 11:40 pm

    Poor Ackley finally came through and then…bah

  244. californiamariner on April 17th, 2013 11:40 pm

    I would have sent him too. You really think Andino was going to drive him in? They made some bad decisions tonight (not bunting), but I don’t fault that one.

  245. Westside guy on April 17th, 2013 11:40 pm

    I think Mike might’ve turned in, so I’ll say it.

    Wedge is awesome.

  246. absolutsyd on April 17th, 2013 11:41 pm

    I’d have to agree that the odds of Smoak scoring there were probably better than the 9% chance that Andino gets a hit… I suppose a non terrible manager might have had Shoppach pinch hit though. Idk.

  247. MrZDevotee on April 17th, 2013 11:42 pm

    Westy-
    I still think I was right…

    “SLEEP is awesome.” I’m headed there right now…

  248. californiamariner on April 17th, 2013 11:44 pm

    At least Ackley had 2 hits.

  249. MrZDevotee on April 17th, 2013 11:46 pm

    But I have to say it again…

    I CAN’T FRICKIN’ BELIEVE WE LOST THE GAME ON A STRATEGY THAT WE REFUSED TO USE, THAT THE TIGERS CAPITALIZED ON IN THE SAME EXACT SITUATION… 2 on, none out, need 1 run to win.

    Bunt, fielders choice… Game over. (Wrong team was smart enough to do it.)

    (Stupid. And followed inexcusable STUPID use of the new kid in the bullpen yesterday. WHO does this crap? No one else in baseball would have combined those two nights of ridiculous moves, except our guy. No one. Better team won, better coach won.)

  250. Sports on a Shtick on April 17th, 2013 11:47 pm

    Pretty much all of Wedge’s bad processes turned into bad results tonight, so that was interesting.

  251. MrZDevotee on April 17th, 2013 11:51 pm

    Y’know, I hardly ever get irrational and irate, I’m pretty much ALWAYS talking other people down off the cliff… but man alive… There were decisions the past two days that just have me LIVID. Wedge can NOT defend the idea that he wants to win baseball games. The man does not care about winning. There’s no way the man could say that he does with a straight face.

    IN-EX-CUSABLE.

    And he’s putting Z on the spot by doing this shit. He’s forcing his hand. I think he wants out. No other explanation I could believe.

  252. juneau_fan on April 18th, 2013 12:07 am

    Well, one man is Jim Leyland, and one is not.

  253. pgreyy on April 18th, 2013 12:12 am

    And I think we all realize that the team that Wedge is working with gives him few alternatives. He doesn’t have anyone left to pinch hit…or to pinch run…or to be a defensive replacement…or to come in to pitch.

    BUT…WEDGE HELPED CRAFT THAT TEAM!

    I’m sure no one stole Casper Wells out of his clutches and forced him to keep Bay. I’m sure someone must have pointed out that hardly anyone on this team can MOVE, much less run. I’m sure that it was noted by someone that Jaso could have stayed to do everything better than Montero can currently do.

    This is what he wanted. These are the cards he’s chosen to play.

    And if he can’t even play those cards right, what else can be the result?

  254. MrZDevotee on April 18th, 2013 12:42 am

    “And if he can’t even play those cards right, what else can be the result?”

    A’ha!

    Got it. Increased alcohol sales. They’re geniuses, afterall.

    Unfortunately, my liver won’t live to see the “Big 3″ pitch in the majors. Wistful just complaining about it. C’est la Vie. (And I can’t actually AFFORD to keep drinking Dalwhinnie at this rate.)

    But the team should have more revenue from that angle, too.

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