Game 56, Mariners at Twins

marc w · June 1, 2013 at 10:12 am · Filed Under Mariners 

Aaron Harang vs. Kevin Correia, too early am.

Harang v Correia. Technically, this is a match up of ex-All Star pitchers, but I just want to get back to my breakfast.

1: Chavez, RF
2: Bay, LF
3: Seager, 3B
4: Morales, 1B
5: Ibanez, DH
6: Franklin, 2N
7: Saunders, CF
8: Shoppach, C
9: Ryan, SS
SP: Harang

Go M’s!

Comments

105 Responses to “Game 56, Mariners at Twins”

  1. djw on June 1st, 2013 10:15 am

    I could get used to this “lots of home runs” thing.

  2. ndevale on June 1st, 2013 10:24 am

    Question: If you had to chose now between Bay and Morse for a roster spot, not considering contract, marketing, etc, which one would you choose?

  3. Flowin on June 1st, 2013 10:24 am

    Remember when Saunders was our best hitter (with Seager) about a month ago?

  4. marc w on June 1st, 2013 10:28 am

    Not considering contract, marketing, etc., probably Morse. Including everything, like trade value, contract, it’s very, very close.

  5. juneau_fan on June 1st, 2013 10:50 am

    *sigh*

  6. msfanmike on June 1st, 2013 10:53 am

    A Big-Leaguer just made that play. Nice work, Harang. Good follow-up to Ryan’s error.

    Go run a lap.

  7. Doug1060 on June 1st, 2013 10:53 am

    My 10 year-old is getting ready for his AAA game; he noted the shortstop boot and overthrow to home and said, “Dad, they’re worse than us!” Sigh.

  8. djw on June 1st, 2013 10:54 am

    In my limited experiences playing baseball and softball I was a mediocre hitter, but a truly atrocious fielder at every position. I couldn’t really do anything right. So it’s very rare that I see a MLB player make a mistake and think “I’m pretty sure I could have successfully made that play.” But Harang’s play there? I could have done that.

  9. WalterNeff on June 1st, 2013 10:58 am

    All he does for a living is throw a ball and he does that? I’ve a magazine designer for thirty years. It’s like me suddenly forgetting red.

  10. juneau_fan on June 1st, 2013 11:00 am

    In all fairness, he’s supposed to throw the ball 60′ 6″ really hard and this time he needed to easily toss it 10′. That can be tough.

    Question: Is that an unearned run when it’s the pitcher making the error?

  11. stevemotivateir on June 1st, 2013 11:03 am

    It’s a bullshit run. Unfortunately, that isn’t an official stat -yet.

  12. stevemotivateir on June 1st, 2013 11:09 am

    Pure speculation on my part, but I wonder if it would benefit Montero and Ackley to return to the Mariners a month or three from now, with a different manager runnin’ the show.

    Knowing they don’t have to listen his bullshit tips, advice, etc, certainly can’t hurt them. They’re more likely to be a part of the future than he is, so maybe ditching Wedge mid-season has added benefits?

  13. juneau_fan on June 1st, 2013 11:09 am

    I’m sure that’s what Harang was yelling into his glove as he came off the mound at the end of the inning.

  14. spuuky on June 1st, 2013 11:15 am

    Are you guys excited for Joe Mauer to break up the no-hitter in the 9th? That’s sort of his thing, I hear.

  15. stevemotivateir on June 1st, 2013 11:20 am

    Uh, breaking up the no-hitter is probably more likely to happen much sooner.

  16. stevemotivateir on June 1st, 2013 11:20 am

    How’s that for jinx? Or am I psychic?

  17. Ralph_Malph on June 1st, 2013 11:23 am

    Way to jinx the no-hitter, guys.

  18. juneau_fan on June 1st, 2013 11:25 am

    Sure enough, unearned run. Huh.

    Damn early game. Hungry and it’s too early for lunch but too late for breakfast.

  19. stevemotivateir on June 1st, 2013 11:27 am

    I accept full responsibility. Moving along, I fully expect Wedge to be rewarded for his brilliance in the very near future.

  20. juneau_fan on June 1st, 2013 11:40 am

    Bay must read the blog in the dugout. Some important catches in the past couple innings.

  21. ndevale on June 1st, 2013 11:40 am

    Bay can play defense….hits about as much as Morse, this year…. if he keeps it up he is valuable.

  22. stevemotivateir on June 1st, 2013 11:42 am

    You must have missed last nights game. Bay isn’t a great fielder. Better than Morse and Ibanez, but that’s not saying much. Still struggles against RHP as well.

  23. djw on June 1st, 2013 11:46 am

    Yeah, Bay’s reputation as a butcher in the field was as great as Morse or Ibanez, but he’s seemed considerably less incompetent than the others.

  24. stevemotivateir on June 1st, 2013 11:50 am

    Really wonder what kind of plan there is to address the outfield for next season. If Jack’s still allowed to make trades and extensions, is he seriously considering keeping the current cast around, or is he taking a serious look at outside options? If San Fran falls out of contention, could Pence be acquired and extended for a reasonable package?

    I whined about it last night, so I figure I should do it again today. But it is kind of serious. We have five outfielders who currently do not have contracts for 2014, and none of them should probably return. Maybe Morse, if we fail to retain Morales and if Morse isn’t needed as an outfielder.

  25. juneau_fan on June 1st, 2013 11:52 am

    Harang’s only going to be able to get out of trouble so many times…

  26. ndevale on June 1st, 2013 11:55 am

    ok, Im not saying Bay should be a regular outfielder. But a 4th of DH platoon at negligible money who is not lawn ornament when he has to play the field…

  27. stevemotivateir on June 1st, 2013 11:58 am

    Bay’s done fairly well in a platoon role facing LHP, while Chavez covers the right handers. They can’t do that right now with Morse and Guti out, but that’s what they should be doing when they aren’t short-handed. Well, until they acquire better outfielders anyway.

  28. juneau_fan on June 1st, 2013 11:59 am

    And there it went.

  29. stevemotivateir on June 1st, 2013 12:01 pm

    I had nothing to do with that jinx! It’s all on juneau!

  30. juneau_fan on June 1st, 2013 12:07 pm

    Can’t help it. I’m just an Eeyore…

    Oh wait, I was thinking, but hadn’t typed, wouldn’t it be nice if Bay hit one of those home run thingies right now?

    He’s totally reading the blog…

  31. ndevale on June 1st, 2013 12:08 pm

    ok im not saying I told you so.

  32. msfanmike on June 1st, 2013 12:08 pm

    That was big.

  33. stevemotivateir on June 1st, 2013 12:10 pm

    There ya go! A reverse-jinx. After pointing out Bay has struggled against RHP, he hit ANOTHER dinger!

  34. stevemotivateir on June 1st, 2013 12:14 pm

    Bay’s batting line vs. RHP this year (coming into this game): .173/.323/.308.

    Nice time to defy those numbers.

  35. stevemotivateir on June 1st, 2013 12:16 pm

    Wow, and Raul follows suit, hitting a LHP.

  36. msfanmike on June 1st, 2013 12:16 pm

    Not sure what to think about scoring a run without a dinger. I am stunned.

    Bullet singles (back to back) off the RF wall? I’ll take it.

  37. ndevale on June 1st, 2013 12:16 pm

    2 outs so what?

  38. Ralph_Malph on June 1st, 2013 12:18 pm

    Bay coming into today:

    vs. RHP 173/323/308 (BABIP 212)
    vs. LHP 283/358/533 (BABIP 333)

    Interestingly, though, he now has 4 HR against RHP and 4 against LHP, in roughly the same number of appearances.

    The really huge split for him so far, though, has been home/road:
    home 333/406/567 [BABIP 372)
    road 115/270/269 (BABIP 138!)

    Of course all those numbers have regressed a bit today. It looks to me, looking at both the BABIP numbers and the home runs he’s hit against RHP, that he’s not as helpless against RHP as the numbers might suggest on their face. His BB/SO numbers are actually better against RHP.

  39. msfanmike on June 1st, 2013 12:19 pm

    Nice game by Harang.

    Come on bullpen!

  40. stevemotivateir on June 1st, 2013 12:25 pm

    That’s not uncommon though, Ralph. Players that struggle against same-handed pitching often draw walks.

    I don’t think the numbers are misleading. He still isn’t a great hitter against RHP. But it’s good to see him getting it done today.

  41. californiamariner on June 1st, 2013 12:28 pm

    Did you guys hear about Montero’s torn meniscus? Probably won’t be seeing him in Seattle this year.

  42. juneau_fan on June 1st, 2013 12:30 pm

    Poor Montero was cursed by this thread too! Who was saying he should come back up in a month?

  43. stevemotivateir on June 1st, 2013 12:31 pm

    No, Cali. Funny thing is, I was just wondering (literally) why he didn’t play the last couple of games there.

  44. egreenlaw9 on June 1st, 2013 12:34 pm

    I know why Bay on top of Ibanez wasn’t a good idea… But.

    I like Bay for how much we paid. He is younger, still maybe has a 3-4 year “future” (unlike Ibanez). We would have paid him Sexson money the first time and maybe hated him, but right now he is Fister-rrific (if we could switch sides for a moment). Nice pickup. Could be a nice piece in ’14 or ’15.

  45. Ralph_Malph on June 1st, 2013 12:35 pm

    I wasn’t suggesting he was a great hitter, though, just that he doesn’t have as extreme platoon splits as you might think. On his career, he’s not an extreme platoon hitter (career OPS 888 vs, LHP, 831 vs. RHP).

  46. Ralph_Malph on June 1st, 2013 12:38 pm

    Does anybody know how Montero hurt his knee? I’ll be annoyed if it happened catching. I couldn’t understand why they had him catching in Tacoma.

  47. MrZDevotee on June 1st, 2013 12:39 pm

    California-
    Torn meniscus these days can be a pretty quick process– usually just arthroscopic, out a couple months (6-8 weeks usually).

    Can be worse, but often a pretty quick cleanup procedure. The only pain/problems are when there’s a loose part inside there.

  48. Ralph_Malph on June 1st, 2013 12:40 pm

    I hope he doesn’t lose his speed….

  49. stevemotivateir on June 1st, 2013 12:41 pm

    Yeah, Bay’s career splits aren’t so drastic. I can see what you were getting at. But it’s worth noting the drop-off more recently. He hasn’t hit RHP decent since 2010. The same thing basically applies to Ibanez.

    @egreenlaw9

    I can think of better options than Bay for the next 3-4 years, whether as a DH or in the outfield.

  50. MrZDevotee on June 1st, 2013 12:41 pm

    “I hope he doesn’t lose his speed….”
    (ba dum *cymbal crash*)

    I’m here for ya, Ralph.

    Maybe it’s like Tommy John and he’ll be faster?

  51. californiamariner on June 1st, 2013 12:50 pm

    MrZ I was just guessing that we won’t see him because he’s going to miss all of this time and then still have to learn to play 1st base. Maybe he comes up in September if everything goes well, but I think it’ll be tough for him to start playing again in August and show enough for the team to call him back up.

  52. msfanmike on June 1st, 2013 12:52 pm

    Insurance run time!

  53. msfanmike on June 1st, 2013 1:06 pm

    Find it, Willy!

  54. Sports on a Shtick on June 1st, 2013 1:08 pm

    Get the bullpen ready, because Tom is lighting matches all over Target Field.

  55. wilchiro on June 1st, 2013 1:09 pm

    Great, he has Medina warming up… I can’t watch this…

  56. Ralph_Malph on June 1st, 2013 1:12 pm

    Who would you prefer he warm up besides Medina? Perez, Capps and Furbush have pitched. The only other relievers left besides Medina are Farquhar and Noesi.

  57. msfanmike on June 1st, 2013 1:12 pm

    Double play time

  58. jordan on June 1st, 2013 1:12 pm

    Throw the hook damnit

  59. Ralph_Malph on June 1st, 2013 1:13 pm

    Yikes.

  60. Ralph_Malph on June 1st, 2013 1:14 pm

    When did Wilhelmsen become Bobby Ayala?

  61. wilchiro on June 1st, 2013 1:14 pm

    Not like Medina pitched really well in relief of Wilhelmsen the other night. Personally, I’d rather see Farquhar.

  62. juneau_fan on June 1st, 2013 1:15 pm

    waking up from a snooze…

    Uh…

  63. MrZDevotee on June 1st, 2013 1:16 pm

    Wow.

  64. msfanmike on June 1st, 2013 1:16 pm

    Fuuuuuuuuuck!

    Choke

  65. jordan on June 1st, 2013 1:16 pm

    well how bout that

  66. juneau_fan on June 1st, 2013 1:17 pm

    It was worth losing the game to see the bride cry with joy. Not.

  67. jak924 on June 1st, 2013 1:17 pm

    Was Eric Wedge’s butt glued to the bench? Can we get a new manager yet?

  68. wilchiro on June 1st, 2013 1:17 pm

    You would have thought that when he had 17 pitches – 13 balls and 4 strikes – that Wedge would have realized that he wasn’t sharp and taken him out. But no, we suffer another bullshit loss. I hate this team.

  69. SeattleDan on June 1st, 2013 1:19 pm

    I don’t think Wedge is the man to lead this team any longer. He cost us this game just as much as Wilhelmsen.

  70. MrZDevotee on June 1st, 2013 1:19 pm

    Anyone remember when Brandon League was lights out, and then we used him in some non-closer innings, and suddenly he wasn’t a closer anymore and blew a whole bunch in a row?

    Eerily similar. (Not saying we shouldn’t use him other times, just saying how weirdly similar it is to League a couple years back).

  71. msfanmike on June 1st, 2013 1:19 pm

    Prototypical Mariner magic.

  72. californiamariner on June 1st, 2013 1:20 pm

    Oh give me a break you can’t blame that on Wedge. I think he sucks too but he’s not to blame for every single loss.

  73. MrZDevotee on June 1st, 2013 1:23 pm

    California-
    Not solely to blame, but don’t you take the guy out who can’t throw strikes SOMETIME? Or the guy who hasn’t thrown strikes very well the past week and has 2 blown saves out of 3 in the past week?

    It’s not his fault, but he could have had an effect on the final decision, and chose not to right there…

  74. The_Waco_Kid on June 1st, 2013 1:23 pm

    Rrrrr. If Tom doesn’t get back on track, we’re totally screwed. I think he will, and I think he is better than League, but I was thinking the same thing, MrZ.

  75. wilchiro on June 1st, 2013 1:25 pm

    So, in other words, you side with Wedge on this one? Even when it is very noticeable that Wilhelmsen didn’t have his stuff today, and walked the first three batters he faced to start the inning, you just wanted to keep him out there and take a loss? When things aren’t going right, you have to switch things up…

  76. wilchiro on June 1st, 2013 1:28 pm

    And for what it’s worth, I get mad with Wedge even after some wins just because he makes mistakes every game. He’s a horrible manager.

  77. MrZDevotee on June 1st, 2013 1:32 pm

    I wonder what Eric Wedge is actually thinking right now? Maybe “Wilhelmsen needs to go to Tacoma and work some things out?” (Snark)

  78. MrZDevotee on June 1st, 2013 1:35 pm

    I’m sorry, but I keep thinking “What would Lou do?”… And I’m not a big Lou Piniella fan, but the guy always managed pitchers well.

    When your closer walks the bases loaded, with nobody out, you should already have somebody ready to go at that point… Your guy you had warming up in the 8th, can get back up expecting to pitch a few innings into extra innings…

    You can help your closer out when he’s struggling. TOM knows he doesn’t have his stuff today. And probably thinks “why am I still out here?”

    The guy has been struggling all week, mostly. Have a plan for if it looks like today isn’t a better day for him… Do SOMETHING, or you’re also ruining the confidence of the guy who had a sub-1.00 era until this week. Knowing, “if I’m off today, I’m just stuck out here floundering…”

    Fail, on Wedge. He didn’t lose the game, but he didn’t help win it when it was on the line and a managerial move could be made to try to change the outcome.

  79. The_Waco_Kid on June 1st, 2013 1:42 pm

    I have to agree with Churchill:

    “I do NOT blame Wedge for this. I would have removed TW, but that’s your guy. Can’t blame MGR for sticking with him in my book.”

  80. Westside guy on June 1st, 2013 2:45 pm

    I missed the game.

    I see Saunders had a couple of hits. Were they flukes, or did it look like he was taking a decent approach? He’s looked “off” lately.

  81. Westside guy on June 1st, 2013 2:51 pm

    Argh. So apparently Montero was injured while CATCHING!?!

    Is there any level in this organization that isn’t under the direct control of MORONS?!

    P.S. I’m not gonna blame Wedge for what sounds like Wilhelmsen’s meltdown today – he’s damned if he does and damned if he doesn’t in that situation.

  82. groundzero55 on June 1st, 2013 4:10 pm

    Those hits by Saunders were solid, not cheap. He looked suddenly…fine, for lack of a better term.

  83. G-Man on June 1st, 2013 4:16 pm

    It’s a tough situation. I would bet the majority of managers would stick with their closer.

    Tom W has had some problems lately. But given the alternatives, I think Wedge will trot him out again.

  84. smb on June 1st, 2013 4:38 pm

    I’m encouraged to read that many others saw what I saw today from very early on, which was that Wilhemson still doesn’t have his best stuff working. It’s not new, it’s been going on all week. So why is he allowed to walk to gol’ darn bases loaded and give the game away when a replacement could and should be readily available?

    It’s nice to be able to nail Wedge squarely on this for failing to notice an obvious performance trend with his pitcher that has nothing to do with numbers, and everything to do with direct observation of his pitching today and over the last week or so. If he’s going to take shots at sabremetrics and say that if you’re not IN the game then you can’t fully understand what’s going on, then he shouldn’t be in such a hurry to prove himself incompetent in spite of all his “insider” experience and wisdom.

  85. Woodcutta on June 1st, 2013 4:40 pm

    Really? So you would leave a pitcher in the game who CAN’T throw strikes just because he is the closer. If I was the GM or anyone who had the power to hire/fire in the M’s organization, Wedge would have been fired on the spot for what he did today. When a pitcher can’t find the strike zone and you still keep him in the game, you aren’t trying to win the game IMO. As an example, this isn’t anything like the save Aroldis Chapman blew when the gave up back to back solo home runs with two outs. That situation is unforeseeable and very unlikely. The outcome of today’s game was very foreseeable when Wedge decided (that might be giving him too much credit) to keep Wilhelmsen in the game.

  86. scraps on June 1st, 2013 6:20 pm

    Um, really really? Are you sure 100 percent? I think G-man is arguing a point that is worth arguing about, instead of dismissing outright with sarcasm, just because Wedge did it.

  87. scraps on June 1st, 2013 6:28 pm

    Like, maybe Wedge understood what everybody in the USS Mariner’s commentariat understood. Maybe he thought that, despite this, Wilhelmsen stood a better chance for getting through this than any other pitcher available to him. It’s arguable, at any rate, with going through a “Wedge is so stupid he can’t see what I can see!” rant.

  88. MrZDevotee on June 1st, 2013 6:54 pm

    Why didn’t we just win, so everyone can stop arguing over how much credit Wedge deserves?

    Both sides have good points, but sorry scraps not “everybody” in the USS Mariner commentariat understood it that way. Which is a bit crass to say in itself. (“If you didn’t see it that way you’re not part of the USS Mariner official commenting society?”)

    He faced three batters, got nobody out… Walked them all, there’s no place left to walk a guy, and now he HAS to throw strikes which he’s just shown he can’t do today.

    The obvious move is to stick with him? That’s your take?

    Pull him for HIS sake, not the fans. He’s blown 3 of his last 4 now. It’s still his loss if it happens, but somebody else gets a fresh chance to be “on” for the day, and pull out a win. Winning is still the objective, right? Even if it’s Medina (and it’s not like Wedge has shown he’s not willing to use Medina in a high leverage situation– that’s ALL he’s done so far to the poor kid… he’s gotta be getting comfortable in that role sometime soon?).

  89. scraps on June 1st, 2013 8:37 pm

    I was saying “everybody” in the USS Commentariat seeing it that way according some people; not me.

    The obvious move is to stick with him? That’s your take?

    I said it’s arguable, that all. I think I was clear about that. Me, I’d pull him, based on what I have at home (not much). But I said it’s arguable, like G-Man argued, which Woodcutta responded to with sarcasm.

  90. scraps on June 1st, 2013 8:57 pm

    He’s blown 3 of his last 4 now. It’s still his loss if it happens, but somebody else gets a fresh chance to be “on” for the day, and pull out a win.

    We know about small sample size with hitters, right? But not, apparently, for relievers. I don’t know if Wilhemson is the victim of BABIP. I know anecdotally he’s pitching worse. Still, I hope Wedge is going upon more than three of his last four blown saves before pulling him.

    Winning is still the objective, right?

    Oh, no: getting off the best line is the objective. Don’t you agree?

  91. djw on June 1st, 2013 9:12 pm

    The lesson about small sample sizes and the value of “streaks” is, for some reason, a lot more difficult for people to fully grasp for pitchers than it is for hitters, but it obviously holds. “TW can’t throw strikes–until he can” is just as true as “Saunders can’t hit, until he starts hitting again”.

  92. stevemotivateir on June 1st, 2013 10:02 pm

    I just wonder how many more questionable moves, and non-moves, it will take before Wedge disappears.

  93. jordan on June 2nd, 2013 12:03 am

    Is Abe Almonte becoming a top prospect?

  94. SonOfZavaras on June 2nd, 2013 2:35 am

    Is Abe Almonte becoming a top prospect?

    IMHO, no. He profiles as a 4th outfielder in the major leagues at best. If our farm system was barren, then maybe. But it’s far from.

    I can count 30 players in the M’s farm system that I’d see as prospects more than Abraham Almonte. But he doesn’t have to be a top prospect to hit his way onto the 2014 Mariners squad.

    As far as Tom Wilhelmsen goes…

    It’s just a bad stretch and he’ll snap out of it. He’s been good for an appreciable amount of time, but the man doesn’t own a Superman cape.

    Before we know it, I predict he’ll be back to saving 15-20 in a row.

    And for once, I’m not really blaming Wedge for a bitter defeat snatched from the jaws of victory. That IS your designated guy out there.

  95. gopilots70 on June 2nd, 2013 3:24 am

    The Sonics used to have a player named Donald “Slick” Watts. He was a joy to watch..Near the lead league in assists and steals, drove to the hoop, scored points and was a lot of fun. The Supes were terrible during his tenure.

    Brendan Ryan is Slick Watts.. So many here are admiring how great BR has been in this has few weeks. But forgetting that most of his damage was done during a seven game losing streak. As Dave has said, the Mariners season is over. And once it was over BR started performing well. This is the classic definition of a second division player.

    Last night was the fifth game to my eye that BR has blown this year. Screwing up a game where the SP was going well. He is a losing player who sometimes excites.

    I loved Donald Slick Watts. I love watching Brendan Ryan make great plays and now have watched sports enough to know he is a losing player. But apparently that is okay with people here..

    When it counted this year he sucked….If it does again this year he will again

  96. scraps on June 2nd, 2013 4:41 am

    Man, I loved Slick Watts. Actually, he was the first player to lead the league in both assists and steals. (The second was Indiana’s point guard, Don Buse — the very next year.)

    He also sported an early look, a bald head in the early seventies. And he wore a headband. So, so cool. He was my second-favorite Sonic (the first was Leapin’ Lee Winfield, who visited me when I was in the hospital with appendicitis).

  97. stevemotivateir on June 2nd, 2013 8:37 am

    Is Abe Almonte becoming a top prospect?

    IMHO, no. He profiles as a 4th outfielder in the major leagues at best. If our farm system was barren, then maybe. But it’s far from.

    Right, because our farm system is lush with outfielders.

    In 40 AB’s, Almonte has a line of .500/.565/.550. You can certainly argue small sample size, and factor in the PCL effect, but what he’s done is nothing short of impressive.

    That doesn’t mean they’re banking on him making it, but you can bet he’s on the radar.

  98. NorahW on June 2nd, 2013 9:06 am

    I just read on “Baseball Trade Rumors” that the M’s DFA’d Vinnie Catricala, and sent Francisco Martinez back to the Detroit Tigers.

  99. djw on June 2nd, 2013 9:11 am

    Re: Almonte. His strikeouts are down, which is a hopeful sign for development, but a short term .571 BABIP that’s all singles is a sign of a run of incredible luck a lot more often than it’s a sign of a major step forward in a player’s development.

  100. stevemotivateir on June 2nd, 2013 9:35 am

    Everything with Almonte is inflated right now. The BABIP sticks out like a sore thumb, but yeah, his K rate dropping and contact increasing are good signs.

    I should be clear that the only outfield prospect I have high hopes for is Stefen Romero.

  101. SonOfZavaras on June 2nd, 2013 11:16 am

    Right, because our farm system is lush with outfielders.
    In 40 AB’s, Almonte has a line of .500/.565/.550. You can certainly argue small sample size, and factor in the PCL effect, but what he’s done is nothing short of impressive.
    That doesn’t mean they’re banking on him making it, but you can bet he’s on the radar.

    Oh, I’m sure he’s on their radar, stevemotivateir. There’s value in what he does if he can do it at the major league level, and he’s close enough to that to not make it a laughable discussion at all.

    I’m just saying- in spite of being an outfielder in a notable dearth thereof system-wide- he’s not top prospect material.

    But, oh yeah, he’d be on my radar right now.

  102. stevemotivateir on June 2nd, 2013 1:10 pm

    ^The main point is that the M’s don’t have an abundance of outfield talent in the system right now. You’re suggesting there is. Other than Romero and Morban (and possibly Almonte), who really appears to be interesting enough that they might actually figure in to the long term plan?

  103. SonOfZavaras on June 2nd, 2013 2:54 pm

    The main point is that the M’s don’t have an abundance of outfield talent in the system right now. You’re suggesting there is.

    Um…

    I’m just saying- in spite of being an outfielder in a notable dearth thereof system-wide- he’s not top prospect material.

    ..no, I’m not.

  104. SonOfZavaras on June 2nd, 2013 2:58 pm

    As far as other outfielders in the system to have hope for…well, James Jones has an outside shot. But I wouldn’t place money on him as he hasn’t developed a higher-minors resume and is already 25ish.

    I think they’ll eventually make catcher Tyler Marlette an outfielder. His bat stands a chance to play everyday somewhere.

    Anybody else I could mention just doesn’t have enough data on to go ahead and label them a ‘hope’- and what data there is doesn’t encourage completely.

    Even Guillermo Pimentel and Phillips Castillo.

  105. stevemotivateir on June 2nd, 2013 4:52 pm

    IMHO, no. He profiles as a 4th outfielder in the major leagues at best. If our farm system was barren, then maybe. But it’s far from.

    Guess I’m a little confused (or was, anyway) with your position on outfield depth in the system. If you were referring to the entire system in general, you wouldn’t find an argument from me.

    The outfield depth in this system, specifically, is pretty sad. Abe Almonte has been a pleasant surprise so far, and I realize you’re not arguing that.

    I wouldn’t label him a top prospect myself, yet. But among outfielders I would, though that’s not saying a lot. And that could certainly change quickly.

    Hicks is another guy I wouldn’t be surprised to see converted.

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