Game 67, Astros at Mariners

marc w · June 12, 2013 at 6:04 pm · Filed Under Mariners 

Jeremy Bonderman vs. Jordan Lyles, 7:10pm

I suppose we should be thankful. The M’s have become an *interesting* team to follow, not because of anything on the field (I’ll refer you to the pitching probables again), but because they’re sick of being bad and injured and boring, so they’re trying essentially everything they can to climb out of this hole. Their college CF-turned-2B is going to play LF tonight. Franklin Gutierrez is going to DH for Tacoma tonight, as his second rehab stint begins. Justin Smoak’s going to play tomorrow in the minors. The M’s are shuffling their 40-man almost daily, and they’re going to have to do more of it in the coming weeks. Their injured players are a bit less injured, and people are playing out of position. Jeremy Bonderman is pitching to Mike Zunino in Seattle, and Dustin Ackley is playing LF in Tacoma. Try to think of what you’d have said if you heard that sentence a year ago. Or a month ago.

The M’s appear to have signed several of their draft picks, and 1st rounder DJ Peterson’s in Seattle tonight taking BP. I’m sure we’ll hear from him on the broadcast.

Line-up:
1: Chavez, RF
2: Bay, LF
3: Seager, 3B
4: Ibanez, DH
5: Franklin, 2B
6: Zunino, C
7: Saunders, CF
8: Ryan, SS
9: Liddi, 1B
SP: Bonderman

Comments

141 Responses to “Game 67, Astros at Mariners”

  1. scraps on June 12th, 2013 6:07 pm

    Try to think of what you’d have said if you heard that sentence a year ago.

    I’d have thought, gee, it’s worse than I thought.

  2. Liam on June 12th, 2013 7:01 pm

    Ugh Liddi. DJ Peterson is at the stadium and in uniform tonight, so I’m just saying.

  3. californiamariner on June 12th, 2013 7:09 pm

    Here we go. We can all say the Zunino move was bad timing but at this moment I have no choice but to root like hell for him to hit the ground running! Oh and hopefully Bonderman doesn’t make me want to tune out after 2 innings.

  4. MrZDevotee on June 12th, 2013 7:11 pm

    Ahh… It all makes sense now- Zunino was called up so that Austin Wilson and DJ Peterson would sign today. “Look, the road is wide open to the pro’s!”

    One batter into his career, every pitcher Zunino has caught is pulling off a perfect game!

    TWO batters into it, now…

    Take that, doubters. (er… sorry…)

  5. Westside guy on June 12th, 2013 7:27 pm

    Listening to the game via MLB.com streaming, while I ride the late bus home. It’s great living in the future!

    (Conveniently I’m pretending transistor radios never existed)

  6. tmesis on June 12th, 2013 7:27 pm

    Dan Wilson on learning about pitchers: “You just sidle up to a guy and learn what his tendencies are, what he likes to do.” Hey, wait a minute!

  7. Westside guy on June 12th, 2013 7:28 pm

    Michael Morse is still hurt, still day to day. LOVE this roster.

  8. Bodhizefa on June 12th, 2013 7:31 pm

    It’s nice that Drayer finally took the FO to task for keeping Morse and Smoak on the active roster for so long despite obvious 15-day DL injuries. I really hate how this org treats injuries.

  9. mrnostalgia on June 12th, 2013 7:32 pm

    I almost never comment, but I just wanted to say that Zunino and I are the same age with the exact same birthday. I hope this is somehow a prophecy of a good start for the guy.

  10. Westside guy on June 12th, 2013 7:35 pm

    I’m sure Wedge loves guys who tough it out with injuries. They may hit .140, but they’re setting a good example for the young’uns on what a Real Man does.

  11. Westside guy on June 12th, 2013 7:37 pm

    ZUNINO HAS FAILED.

    That is all.

  12. MrZDevotee on June 12th, 2013 7:38 pm

    Westy-
    You’re totally onto something there. Ackley just hasn’t been the same since he had those bone chips removed in the offseason and is actually healthy now. He’s a wimp.

  13. Westside guy on June 12th, 2013 7:39 pm

    Attention Michael Saunders:

    Real Men don’t walk.

  14. MrZDevotee on June 12th, 2013 7:39 pm

    I wonder what the season record is for games with double digit strikeouts? Mariners are smelling that record, and honing in…

  15. Westside guy on June 12th, 2013 7:40 pm

    Doesn’t a recent Mariners team hold that record, MrZ?

  16. californiamariner on June 12th, 2013 7:42 pm

    I’m pretty sure the Astros have to lead the league in that category MrZ

  17. MrZDevotee on June 12th, 2013 7:44 pm

    That would definitely make sense, Westy.

    I tried looking it up and failed.

  18. scraps on June 12th, 2013 7:45 pm

    Dan Wilson on learning about pitchers: “You just sidle up to a guy and learn what his tendencies are, what he likes to do.”

    Makes me think of Wilson as a spy.

  19. JasonJ on June 12th, 2013 7:51 pm

    Can we get rid of these ridiculous teal/forest green uniforms?

  20. MrZDevotee on June 12th, 2013 7:58 pm

    Jason-
    You know how cheap this front office is, right? No way they’re getting rid of the 1995 “Remember Those Days” Teal jerseys.

  21. stevemotivateir on June 12th, 2013 8:02 pm

    I’m actually cool with those uniforms as long as the Mariners suck. But when they have a real team, I wanna see the uniforms go as well.

    Bad times, bad threads.

  22. stevemotivateir on June 12th, 2013 8:04 pm

    Five of the nine starters for the Mariners tonight started the season in Tacoma.

  23. californiamariner on June 12th, 2013 8:05 pm

    I kind of like these uniforms. However, I think they are bringing them out too much. Use them once or twice a month instead of once a series.

    This reminds me that I read about the team changing uniforms next year?

  24. msfanmike on June 12th, 2013 8:09 pm

    … And 3 of those guys should still be there.

    Okay, only 2 if someone wants to make a good argument for it.

  25. JasonJ on June 12th, 2013 8:10 pm

    Haven’t heard that. I actually like our standard uniforms and would be disappointed if they changed them.

  26. msfanmike on June 12th, 2013 8:12 pm

    By the way, our SS of the future made his 6th error in only his 15th AAA game last night. Have they truly ruled out giving Franklin a look at SS, or are they just making sure a specific “plan” takes shape.

  27. Westside guy on June 12th, 2013 8:13 pm

    Hey there Zunino!

  28. msfanmike on June 12th, 2013 8:13 pm

    Atta boy, Zunino – congratulations!

  29. Westside guy on June 12th, 2013 8:15 pm

    The Astros fear Condor, apparently.

  30. msfanmike on June 12th, 2013 8:18 pm

    The Astros know who is hitting behind Condor.

  31. Westside guy on June 12th, 2013 8:19 pm

    The Astros made the right choice, it seems.

  32. Westside guy on June 12th, 2013 8:21 pm

    Uh, Alex – the bases are loaded. Sprinting to first after that dropped third strike isn’t going to accomplish much.

  33. msfanmike on June 12th, 2013 8:22 pm

    Couldn’t see that one coming. I will bet that outcome surprised 0% of the USSM constituents.

  34. scraps on June 12th, 2013 8:30 pm

    Sixth shortstop error in fifteen games? I’d be irritated, but come on. Keep playing him, unless you’ve got a plan and you see another’s plan being upset.

  35. msfanmike on June 12th, 2013 8:42 pm

    Keep playing him in AAA, I agree. Hand him the job at the ML level after Ryan is gone – and don’t at least give Franklin a look at SS – I don’t agree

  36. juneau_fan on June 12th, 2013 8:48 pm

    Battle of the crap offenses; we’ll be here all night.

  37. californiamariner on June 12th, 2013 8:54 pm

    Guys, Bonderman is pitching like this BECAUSE MIKE ZUNINO

  38. MrZDevotee on June 12th, 2013 9:00 pm

    Hey, checking back in… Tacoma has 3 hits I see, Houston has 2, and Seattle has zero.

  39. Westside guy on June 12th, 2013 9:07 pm

    Man, a couple of excellent defensive plays there!

  40. californiamariner on June 12th, 2013 9:07 pm

    Don’t you even dare try stealing on Mike Zunino.

  41. MrZDevotee on June 12th, 2013 9:08 pm

    Mikey showing the gun!…

  42. californiamariner on June 12th, 2013 9:08 pm

    Oh wow Brendan Ryan!

  43. MrZDevotee on June 12th, 2013 9:10 pm

    A run would be nice… To set the table for back to back shutouts and a sweep!

    (Awestruck)

    Although, honestly, we probably need two runs to be sure about a save…

  44. MrZDevotee on June 12th, 2013 9:11 pm

    Interesting stat on Gameday– Endy Chavez has a .971 OPS versus fastballs this season…

  45. pgreyy on June 12th, 2013 9:14 pm

    People on this board, recently, have been wondering why any of us remain Mariners fans…why we still root for the team despite all of the problems and frustrations.

    I think, in almost every game, there are a couple of moments. Might just be a runner thrown out at second…might just be a hell of a catch and throw…

    Might be a dinger…(he says hopefully.)

    But there’s always something that gives you a glimmer of hope. A flash of excitement. A flicker of potential.

    …and yes, it’s sad that’s all we have to cling to…but evidently for us, it’s enough.

  46. MrZDevotee on June 12th, 2013 9:16 pm

    pgreyy-
    Or… we’re horrible masochists?

    (one of us is right… not sure which… maybe both of us?) *laugh*

  47. msfanmike on June 12th, 2013 9:17 pm

    Just guessing, but I don’t think the Astros have placed a high priority on playing good defense.

    Wretched.

  48. MrZDevotee on June 12th, 2013 9:18 pm

    Whatever you do- DON’T BUNT (he said after the pop up).

  49. scraps on June 12th, 2013 9:19 pm

    msfanmike, let’s see first how Franklin does at second before trying him at an upgrade.

  50. MrZDevotee on June 12th, 2013 9:20 pm

    msfanmike-
    or hitting?
    or bullpen pitching?
    or anything to do with baseball?

  51. juneau_fan on June 12th, 2013 9:20 pm

    Remember when pitchers had to cover their tats with long sleeves to keep from distracting the hitters?

  52. pgreyy on June 12th, 2013 9:22 pm

    I would think that M’s fans would make EXCELLENT masochists, MrZ… :)

  53. californiamariner on June 12th, 2013 9:22 pm

    Pgreyy, just my opinion but people that make a conscious decision to become a “fan” of a new team as an adult aren’t really fans.

  54. MrZDevotee on June 12th, 2013 9:22 pm

    Juneau-
    That made me think of Arthur Rhodes’ ear ring… Was that Omar Vizquel who complained and made him remove it? Someone with M’s history…

  55. Westside guy on June 12th, 2013 9:22 pm

    Ah, yes, Raul facing a lefty in an important situation.

  56. msfanmike on June 12th, 2013 9:25 pm

    Yes, it was Omar … And Arthur was pissed.

  57. juneau_fan on June 12th, 2013 9:25 pm

    Sadly, the huge diamond earrings don’t seem to have caught on. Who does Rhodes coach for now? When I see him in the dugout, I notice that he doesn’t have the bling anymore.

    Come on, guys. I need to do some yard work. Score and hold, please.

  58. msfanmike on June 12th, 2013 9:26 pm

    Awesome AB’s by Seager and Ibanez.

    Awesome.

  59. msfanmike on June 12th, 2013 9:27 pm

    Yard work? … Oh yeah, 20 hour days this time of year. Approx?

  60. scraps on June 12th, 2013 9:29 pm

    In fact, I’m trying to think of anyone that switched to shortstop in the majors. That doesn’t mean it hasn’t happened, especially with my post-stroke memory, but it sure doesn’t happen often.

  61. pgreyy on June 12th, 2013 9:30 pm

    Woo!

  62. MrZDevotee on June 12th, 2013 9:30 pm

    Mr. Franklin is a one man highlight reel.

    Poor poor Dustin Ackley.

  63. Slats on June 12th, 2013 9:30 pm

    Atta boy Franklin!

  64. msfanmike on June 12th, 2013 9:32 pm

    Franklin has always been a SS. Played it at every level. Played a bit less of it this year in AAA. There was an actual reason for the suggestion to play him there for AT LEAST A LOOK.

    If Miller can’t handle SS and has to move to CF, would it by nice to know if Franklin could play SS. I say “yes”. You can say whatever you like, too.

    Nice hit Nick.

  65. lalo on June 12th, 2013 9:32 pm

    What a package would have been for the Braves… Franklin, Walker, Pryor and Jaso…

  66. MrZDevotee on June 12th, 2013 9:32 pm

    Scraps-
    Eckstein is the only one who comes to mind… He was a 2nd basemen since Little League until the Angels switched him to replace Adam Kennedy… Always loved that little guy willing his way into making plays at SS.

  67. Sowulo on June 12th, 2013 9:32 pm

    Big Stick Nick!

  68. Kazinski on June 12th, 2013 9:33 pm

    I don’t feel too sorry for Ackley, he had plenty of opportunity.

    And there are some gaping holes in the outfield to fill even if he can’t dislodge Franklin at 2nd. Its really up to him, if he can hit, they will find a place for him to play.

  69. leon0112 on June 12th, 2013 9:34 pm

    Tacoma beats Houston.

  70. bookbook on June 12th, 2013 9:35 pm

    Bonderman’s in the rotation for the rest of the year, isn’t he?

    Ouch.

  71. juneau_fan on June 12th, 2013 9:35 pm

    Yeah, light until midnight-ish now. No excuses. Other than that burger I had for dinner sitting sort of heavy in the gut…

    But the Bartender has been shaky. Let’s see if he’ll choke it up.

  72. MrZDevotee on June 12th, 2013 9:39 pm

    Castro’s on 3rd right now if Montero tries to handle that pitch… Nice play, Mikey.

  73. msfanmike on June 12th, 2013 9:39 pm

    White knuckle time.

    Fire up a second gut bomb in case this one gets out of hand, Juneau.

    I was in Juneau (late 80′s) for a couple days. Sunshine both days – and most people got the day off because the sun was actually shining. It was June or July 1988 ish.

  74. lalo on June 12th, 2013 9:40 pm

    Why isn´t Bonderman pitching?

  75. MrZDevotee on June 12th, 2013 9:40 pm

    &^$%& Wilhelmsen…

    Geesh. Who’s the closer in Tacoma? Can he be hear by the 10th inning? (Damn, they’re on the road…)

  76. pgreyy on June 12th, 2013 9:40 pm

    OK, here we go. Everyone complains after the fact that Wedge doesn’t pull the Bartender out when it’s clear he doesn’t have his stuff.

    Two on, no one out…do you pull him?

  77. Grayfox3d on June 12th, 2013 9:40 pm

    Bad bar tender…..

  78. msfanmike on June 12th, 2013 9:42 pm

    Holy crap Willy. Get out of this!!!

  79. juneau_fan on June 12th, 2013 9:43 pm

    With our recent good weather, there’s been muttering about the good old days when the governor or commissioner would give us a sun day off. Not these days with everyone yakking about lazy civil servants.

    (Ignoring the game.)

    Think I’m head out anyway. Either they win, or they don’t.

  80. MrZDevotee on June 12th, 2013 9:43 pm

    Does he walk it tied? (crosses fingers)

  81. msfanmike on June 12th, 2013 9:43 pm

    No, I would not pull him out. Big strike out guy coming to bat. Gotta go with Willy at this point.

  82. MrZDevotee on June 12th, 2013 9:44 pm

    pgreyy-
    Yes. Yes. You replace him. (oops, too late)

  83. Slats on June 12th, 2013 9:44 pm

    Bartender has problems.

  84. msfanmike on June 12th, 2013 9:44 pm

    And there you go.

    I am sure the Astros appreciate it though.

    Craaaaaaap!!!!!!!!

  85. MrZDevotee on June 12th, 2013 9:45 pm

    Is the stuff this guy is serving watered-down, or is it just me? Taste this! (Hands bartender’s drink around the table…)

  86. Prozach on June 12th, 2013 9:47 pm

    Is it time to demote him from the closer’s role? It just seems like his psyche is shot. They need to do with him what they did with League, and switch him with the setup man (namely Capps)

  87. MrZDevotee on June 12th, 2013 9:47 pm

    I’m outta here. I really can’t listen to another one like this. I’ll be happy to see we won if we somehow freeze hell over later…

    Cheers.

  88. SeattleDan on June 12th, 2013 9:47 pm

    It’s about time Piniella came in and took out Ayala. Oh, wait….

  89. Westside guy on June 12th, 2013 9:50 pm

    KLANK.

  90. pgreyy on June 12th, 2013 9:50 pm

    Ooooof.

  91. Slats on June 12th, 2013 9:50 pm

    Sims: “Two run double!”

    Only one run scored Sims.

  92. Westside guy on June 12th, 2013 9:51 pm

    Nope, bad defense in the outfield doesn’t matter.

  93. msfanmike on June 12th, 2013 9:51 pm

    The Rain sure is symbolic.

  94. PackBob on June 12th, 2013 9:51 pm

    Welcome to the Mariners Mr. Bonderman.

  95. seasick on June 12th, 2013 9:52 pm

    Just can’t seem to get out of our own way.

  96. bookbook on June 12th, 2013 9:52 pm

    Put the bartender on the DL. He has a bruised psyche, if nothing else.

  97. Woodcutta on June 12th, 2013 9:53 pm

    Again, Wedge takes out the starter after 8 innings who was at a reasonable amount of pitches and dominating the other team. Felix can’t be the only M’s pitcher that can throw over 100 pitches in a game.

  98. Prozach on June 12th, 2013 9:55 pm

    The weird thing is that Wedge let Harang go out for the 9th yesterday when he was over 100 pitches. If his postgame excuse today is that bullpen “needed some game time” I’ll throw something

  99. Woodcutta on June 12th, 2013 9:58 pm

    Zunino may want to go back to AAA after a few more games like this.

  100. msfanmike on June 12th, 2013 9:58 pm

    Still going to be under .500 against the Astros (4-5) after this game.

    Under .500 against the Astros?

    The Astros!!!

    Words. None. Left.

  101. G-Man on June 12th, 2013 10:03 pm

    5-run comeback, again?

    Yeah right

  102. pgreyy on June 12th, 2013 10:03 pm

    When the wheels come off…ALL the wheels come off.

  103. seasick on June 12th, 2013 10:03 pm

    The Angels have a worse record against the lowly Astros…with all their talent. It could be worse.

  104. Westside guy on June 12th, 2013 10:03 pm

    Oh this is just fugly.

  105. Woodcutta on June 12th, 2013 10:05 pm

    Well, at least Zunino is getting a workout behind the plate.

  106. Sports on a Shtick on June 12th, 2013 10:06 pm

    Mike, welcome to the Mariners!

  107. Westside guy on June 12th, 2013 10:07 pm

    On the bright side – to my non-expert eye, Zunino looks like he knows what he’s doing behind the plate.

    It’s great to see.

  108. frankb. on June 12th, 2013 10:08 pm

    I blame that guy that was waving the broom at the start of the 9th.

  109. Longgeorge1 on June 12th, 2013 10:09 pm

    Is Capps the new ” Bartender”?

  110. Westside guy on June 12th, 2013 10:10 pm

    On another bright side – Saunders appears to be looking better lately, even if the results haven’t totally shown it yet.

  111. r-gordon-7 on June 12th, 2013 10:12 pm

    Anyone consider that the dammage to Zunino’s psyche that this “taste of the bigs” might give him might have nothing to do with his own performance… Welcome to the M’s…

  112. spuuky on June 12th, 2013 10:14 pm

    Can we please stop putting in Medina in situations that call for a Major League pitcher?

  113. Woodcutta on June 12th, 2013 10:14 pm

    Was Capps not available tonight?

  114. Jake on June 12th, 2013 10:18 pm

    1.) Not bunting with Seager in the 8th was really stupid.

    2.) Pulling Bonderman after 89 pitches was even dumber.

  115. The_Waco_Kid on June 12th, 2013 10:25 pm

    God, how did Tom become League? UGH!

  116. frankb. on June 12th, 2013 10:31 pm

    I’m just sad. It’s my most disappointing loss of the year. The closer has to show that he’s gonna “be better than you tonight.”

  117. jephdood on June 12th, 2013 10:40 pm

    Hey Tom. WTF happened to “on this day, I’m going to be better than you”???

    Jesus.

  118. Will Lofton on June 12th, 2013 10:40 pm

    Didn’t watch this game but Bonderman threw just 89 pitches before getting yanked?

    Wow.

  119. scraps on June 12th, 2013 11:01 pm

    msfanmike — if you’re still here — you do know that many, many prospects play shortstop at levels earlier than the majors? That part of the minors is shaking out prospects and figuring out where they can play in the much, much more demanding major leagues? That’s why it’s rare to do so in the majors. It’s not that the Mariners have no idea. They would like to have Franklin at short as much as you evidently do. If they don’t move Franklin to short, they probably know more than you do, and are not being stubborn with no reason.

  120. WestyHerr on June 12th, 2013 11:12 pm

    We’re gonna get destroyed in Oakland. But Happy whatever day!!!!!

  121. JE on June 12th, 2013 11:24 pm

    I didn’t see the middle of the game but my feeling is that Wedge is 25 – 35% responsible for the loss by pulling Bonderman, the rest was up to The Bartender. Of course unless you expect the rest of the team to contribute for the previous eight innings, or the outfield to make a catch in the ninth. It could be worse but this is bad enough.

  122. Ralph_Malph on June 13th, 2013 12:02 am

    Scraps asked about guys who switched to SS in the majors…Willie Bloomquist, of course!

  123. scraps on June 13th, 2013 12:26 am

    Doh!

  124. jak924 on June 13th, 2013 6:54 am

    Back up the truck…again. That bad odor is back.

  125. Paul B on June 13th, 2013 7:21 am

    The closer has to show that he’s gonna “be better than you tonight.”

    Yup, the proven closer failed.

    But if you only score one run, you can’t expect to win many games. Even against a AAA team.

  126. Westside guy on June 13th, 2013 7:37 am

    I don’t know about that, Paul – a number of teams have faced the Mariners and won 1-0.

  127. drlo on June 13th, 2013 8:31 am

    Whatever the thinking behind putting Ackley in left field, at that position the bar has been raised for his hitting. Acceptable at second is not the same as acceptable in left. Well, for most teams, at least.

  128. nwade on June 13th, 2013 8:42 am

    Boy I’m sure glad we had Zunino up with the big-league club. He sure helped us win!

    (On a serious note I’m totally happy for him to get his first major-league hit; but his successes do not excuse the poor decision-making!)

  129. sawsatch on June 13th, 2013 8:52 am

    The Mariners will have to play .560 ball for the rest of the season just to get to 81 wins.
    Like I said, it takes a certain talent to lose this much with Felix and Kuma as 1,2 plus now other solid pitching performances as well.

  130. ivan on June 13th, 2013 9:09 am

    “In fact, I’m trying to think of anyone that switched to shortstop in the majors. That doesn’t mean it hasn’t happened, especially with my post-stroke memory, but it sure doesn’t happen often.”

    Honus Wagner says hello.

  131. sawsatch on June 13th, 2013 9:25 am

    Note that the paid attendance for the past 2 games combined was ~ 25,000. The actual attendance was of course significantly lower.

  132. MrZDevotee on June 13th, 2013 9:30 am

    drlo-
    Could you elaborate on this idea of your’s called “acceptable hitting”?

    Is that a realistic goal for the Mariners? I mean, look at how our young guys perform under pressure… Putting the weight of a lofty goal like “merely acceptable” is sort of unfair really.

    (sigh, I even get sad trying to be funny anymore with this team)

  133. MrZDevotee on June 13th, 2013 9:31 am

    Sawsatch-
    Am I the only one who thinks that’s pretty impressive attendance for these Mariners and those Astros?

    I’m surprised they went over 10,000 on a school night for an Astros/Bonderman game.

  134. sawsatch on June 13th, 2013 9:42 am

    They probably didn’t. The official count is for tickets sold, not actual numbers in the stands.

  135. Jay R. on June 13th, 2013 11:11 am

    2 step process to fix this.

    Fire/cut everyone over the age of 28 in the entire organization. Fire Eric Wedge into the sun.

  136. BackseatGM on June 13th, 2013 11:48 am

    I’m late to the party but Cal Ripken switched from 3B to SS in the majors.

  137. eponymous coward on June 13th, 2013 1:01 pm

    Fire/cut everyone over the age of 28 in the entire organization.

    That is not remotely close to realistic. Young rosters where almost everyone is getting “on the job training” are nearly universally a disaster. You end up with teams like the Marlins or Astros.

    How about the M’s just get better at roster management, identifying free agents, and player development?

  138. sawsatch on June 13th, 2013 1:34 pm

    Why start now?

  139. MrZDevotee on June 13th, 2013 2:12 pm

    DON’T FIRE Eric Wedge into the sun…

    We need that, if he screws up the sun we’re all doomed!

    (Although I suppose it would be interesting to see how QUICKLY he could screw up the sun…)

  140. nvn8vbryce on June 13th, 2013 3:42 pm

    MrZ, he could screw it up faster than Guti needs to see a doctor while playing….

  141. scraps on June 13th, 2013 11:38 pm

    BackseatGM, Cal Ripken played both SS and 3B when he came up.

    1981: 12 games at SS, 6 games at 3B.
    1982: 94 games at SS, 71 games at #B.
    1983: 162 games at SS.

    ::::::

    Ivan, Honus Wagner, yes! Of course, you have to reach back to a player who career ended 96 years ago. “It sure doesn’t happen often,” I noted, and I think that sums it up!

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