Game 84, Mariners at Rangers

marc w · July 3, 2013 at 5:00 pm · Filed Under Mariners 

King Felix vs. Derek Holland, 5:05pm

Happy Felix Day!

For reasons that no one fully understands, close losses in games Felix pitches are felt much more keenly by a large segment of the M’s fanbase than by Felix himself. I love this team, but if I was Felix, I might’ve…well, *explored* alternatives to a long-term extension here. I cannot imagine how amazing it would be to live as an incredibly wealthy person in Seattle. And maybe that’s enough – in the grand scheme of things, tough losses to Jeanmar Gomez are whatever’s beyond first world problems. Maybe Felix’s personality is such that he genuinely doesn’t mind. He can see how offensive futility eats at players (like Brendan Ryan), at managers, and fans – maybe he’s made the decision that bitterness isn’t worth wasting time on, and in any event, he can afford any and all distractions he wants. So if not for Felix, the M’s offense owes a good stretch to *us*. It sounds stupid to frame it that way, and frankly, it IS stupid. This is entertainment; if it isn’t entertaining, we’re supposed to find alternatives, not invoke some bizarre obligation on the part of the entertainers.

Still though, this whole thing seems cruel when you step back from it. The M’s acquire, develop and showcase a singular talent – someone who justifies every ticket to the stadium by his presence. Then the club surrounds him with a succession of some of the worst offenses in history. We’re now in the somewhat odd position of being able to compare and contrast different styles, different modes of futility, as we watch Felix labor on heroically. The context of a pennant chase or contention has been stripped from a jaw-dropping percentage of Felix’s starts, especially if you include the beginning of years like 2011-12 and probably 13 where they were in de jure but not de facto contention (if you can even talk about contention in April). So I cheer for Felix every five days, without context. But take all that away, and the failures like five days’ ago look senseless. It’s like I bought my kids a ticket to “Bambi” and it was a 2-hour long, ultra-slow motion clip of Bambi’s mother being shot. So yes, I have a grievance. Yes, I am complaining to my entertainers instead of finding better entertainers. You mess with Felix, you mess with me. Stop messing with Felix, even if Felix doesn’t mind.

Derek Holland is an enigma, in that he voluntarily attended a Counting Crows show this year, and then got himself ejected from the theater. Also, his career is dominated by variance in his home run rate. He came into the league a fire-balling lefty without much command, and MLB hitters punished him. But as he developed his slider and change, and as his command improved, he appeared on the verge of stardom – his 8+ inning 2-hit shutout performance in the 2011 World Series seemed to be the moment that would propel him to ace status, or that not-quite-ace-which-is-still-handsomely-remunerated status that CJ Wilson had. Instead, he was pretty bad in 2012, with 32 HRs allowed in less than 180 innings and just 1.7fWAR (adjusted for Arlington).

This year, his HR/FB rate is less than half of his career average, so as you probably know, he’s got the fourth-most fWAR of any pitcher in baseball. It’s not just about HRs – his K% is up, though it’s not appreciably higher than it was in 2010. But, coupled with a slight drop in walks, and Holland’s pitched like the ace many thought he’d be in 2012. As a lefty with a big fastball and a good slider, many observers thought he’d have to refine his change-up to avoid big platoon splits (like many tough lefties, Holland faces a steady diet of right-handed batters). Instead, his change-up is still the same work-in-progress it’s been for years. In 2010, righties hit .256 and slugged .558 on the change-up (small-sample warning) – since the start of 2012, they’ve hit .318/.557. The pitch doesn’t generate whiffs, and it never did. Instead, he’s throwing his slider to righties, and it’s worked just fine. I’ve talked about some in the context of Brandon Maurer, but there are a few pitchers out there (most of them lefties, I’d say), who are able to get away with throwing opposite-handed hitters a lot of sliders and have success. Madison Bumgarner for one, or CC Sabathia for another. Holland may be in that group now.

1: Bay
2: Franklin
3: Ibanez
4: Morales, DH
5: Seager
6: Smoak
7: Ackley, CF
8: Zunino
9: MIller

Tyler Pike’s on the hill for Clinton in the Midwest League, while James Paxton starts for Tacoma at lovely, warm Cheney Stadium. The Rainiers always have their big fireworks show on July 3rd, and it’s probably the best attended game of the year – it’s a tradition that long pre-dates the Rainiers or the association with the Mariners, and it is, somewhat oddly, one of the things I find myself missing about Tacoma now that I don’t live there anymore.


61 Responses to “Game 84, Mariners at Rangers”

  1. Slats on July 3rd, 2013 3:36 pm

    Happy Felix Day!

  2. rowlandice on July 3rd, 2013 3:47 pm

    Holland will hang a slider to Zunino tonight – Dingers!

  3. californiamariner on July 3rd, 2013 5:10 pm


  4. msfanmike on July 3rd, 2013 5:33 pm

    Well that was a horseshit inning. First and Third no outs – no runs.

  5. phineasphreak on July 3rd, 2013 5:35 pm

    Agreed. Ackley & Zunino immediately get behind in the count. Miller swinging away. Come on Ackley, at least hit it far enough to score a run.

    And dammit, take some pitches so your teammates can get an idea of where Holland is locating tonight.

  6. lalo on July 3rd, 2013 6:07 pm

    Zunino looks like Miguel Olivo… He should be in Tacoma, thanks again, Jack Z.

  7. msfanmike on July 3rd, 2013 6:08 pm

    Holland took Zunino to school on that at bat.

    Ackley did a nice job laying off some chase pitches, though.

  8. phineasphreak on July 3rd, 2013 6:18 pm

    Miguel was a little bit darker.

  9. Kazinski on July 3rd, 2013 6:23 pm

    How can Zunino look like Olivo? How many passed balls does he have? How many wild pitches does Felix have on his changeup?

    He’s already the best M’s catcher since Johjima just on his defense.

  10. msfanmike on July 3rd, 2013 6:42 pm

    Time to come through, Ackley.

    This is the time!

  11. Will on July 3rd, 2013 6:44 pm

    Has anyone noticed Zunino just gets dirt pitches?

  12. msfanmike on July 3rd, 2013 6:45 pm

    Wow, that certainly sucked.

  13. henryv on July 3rd, 2013 6:46 pm

    He’s already the best M’s catcher since Johjima just on his defense.

    Tallest midget.

  14. henryv on July 3rd, 2013 6:47 pm

    Wedge has put in a line up with a ton of LHB against a LHP with a good slider.

    Seriously, dude, are you just fucking around at this point?

    I propose Felix gets to write his own line-up card on days he pitches.

  15. Will on July 3rd, 2013 6:47 pm

    I literally just punched my couch! What is Ackley swinging at?

  16. henryv on July 3rd, 2013 6:51 pm

    “Well, that’s a freebie.”

    Mr. F

  17. msfanmike on July 3rd, 2013 6:51 pm

    Way to battle, Zunino. Nice AB!

    Come on Miller!!!

  18. phineasphreak on July 3rd, 2013 6:52 pm

    Let’s see some grit, Brad.

  19. Will on July 3rd, 2013 6:54 pm

    This is so damn frustarating. You could put me out there, and I wouldn’t swing at all of these dirt pitches…

  20. henryv on July 3rd, 2013 6:56 pm

    I still miss you, Casper Wells.

  21. Will on July 3rd, 2013 7:02 pm

    I know wins for pitchers are pretty meaningless, but it would be nice if these guys could get a W for Felix today.

  22. henryv on July 3rd, 2013 7:08 pm

    Felix has an xFIP that is 10% lower than a guy who is going to be 13-0, if he isn’t already.

    Because Mariners.

  23. Kazinski on July 3rd, 2013 7:15 pm

    “Tallest midget”

    I suppose you are the idiot that volunteers to get in the ring on midget wrestling night.

  24. henryv on July 3rd, 2013 7:17 pm
  25. rightwingrick on July 3rd, 2013 7:18 pm

    One reason we agonize so much about Hernandez losses is because we should have won more than half of them. All we had to do was treat every Mariner baserunner on third base as vital to get in, and go to the squeeze. But Eric Wedge is the most passive manager I’ve ever seen, even after seeing the same players fail at hitting with runners on time after time, he just lets them go up there swinging away. Then complains after the game that we can’t score because noone can hit with runners on. Well, Eric, then do something different!!! If we lose tonight, it’s because Wedge did not bring the guy on 3b home with a bunt, both the 2nd and 6th inning, Ackley up, man on third. How many times do we have to watch the same failure before the manager does something different, for goodness sake. Especially in a game Felix is pitching, one extra run is GOLD. Somebody wake up Eric Wedge.

  26. Kazinski on July 3rd, 2013 7:24 pm

    Duh. Tallest midget is still the best we’ve had since Kenji Johjima.

    Take a look at Matt Writer’s stats before you start ragging on Zunnio for not bursting fully grown from the head of Zeus

  27. msfanmike on July 3rd, 2013 7:25 pm

    I understand your point, but to squeeze with a LHB (Ackley) would probably not have turned out any better than having him swing away, unfortunately.

  28. juneau_fan on July 3rd, 2013 7:26 pm

    Speaking of the devil…

  29. msfanmike on July 3rd, 2013 7:27 pm

    Wedge is trying to break Ackley back in easily and from the 7-hole he is now hitting in his third high leverage situation of the game. And he needs to come through …. Now please!

  30. msfanmike on July 3rd, 2013 7:29 pm

    And right on cue – another lost opportunity with our franchise draft pick. Oh boy, the numbness is starting to set in.

  31. californiamariner on July 3rd, 2013 7:30 pm

    Ackley finally puts a good swing and it’s right at somebody. I’d like to see a replay at 1st though.

  32. Longgeorge1 on July 3rd, 2013 7:31 pm

    It’s becoming obvious that the correct spelling is AAAAckley

  33. californiamariner on July 3rd, 2013 7:31 pm

    Wow, Ackley was safe after all. That’s nice to know now. Lovely

  34. SonOfZavaras on July 3rd, 2013 7:32 pm

    Yeah, Ackley got HOSED on that. And he’s been getting hosed on the “lefty outside strike” since I don’t know when.

    Not to make any excuses for the guy, but you wonder if he did anything to piss umpires off sometimes…

  35. Woodcutta on July 3rd, 2013 7:34 pm

    Ackley is now getting squeezed on the basepaths. Gotta love that human element.

  36. henryv on July 3rd, 2013 7:34 pm

    Actually, calling Zunino the tallest midget isn’t necessarily an insult to Zunino. It’s really an insult to all the crap catchers we’ve had between Zunino and Kenji.

    And I haven’t said anything about Zunino not being adequate. I think you should read and think before posting.

  37. SonOfZavaras on July 3rd, 2013 7:34 pm

    And you know what? That play was close enough and enough was on the line- Wedge has gotta go out there and have his player’s back on that.

  38. Longgeorge1 on July 3rd, 2013 7:35 pm

    The teams lower in the standings always seemed to get HOSED

  39. Longgeorge1 on July 3rd, 2013 7:46 pm

    Wedge should give Miller the home run sign

  40. Longgeorge1 on July 3rd, 2013 7:48 pm

    Boy Wedge is stupid

  41. juneau_fan on July 3rd, 2013 7:57 pm

    Why does it feel like every other game is extra-innings?

  42. Longgeorge1 on July 3rd, 2013 8:03 pm


  43. terryoftacoma on July 3rd, 2013 8:03 pm

    we’re 5-7 in extra inning games.

  44. Longgeorge1 on July 3rd, 2013 8:04 pm

    Oh I meant home run

  45. msfanmike on July 3rd, 2013 8:04 pm


  46. Section329 on July 3rd, 2013 8:04 pm


  47. terryoftacoma on July 3rd, 2013 8:05 pm


  48. Longgeorge1 on July 3rd, 2013 8:05 pm


  49. californiamariner on July 3rd, 2013 8:06 pm


  50. naviomelo on July 3rd, 2013 8:06 pm


  51. Woodcutta on July 3rd, 2013 8:06 pm

    I’m guessing this means the ‘ender will be pitching the bottom of the inning.

  52. juneau_fan on July 3rd, 2013 8:06 pm

    Yes, Bartender. *gulp*

  53. terryoftacoma on July 3rd, 2013 8:07 pm

    In all fairness todays lineup was about as right hand hitting as this team gets unless you want Ryan at short.

  54. phineasphreak on July 3rd, 2013 8:07 pm


  55. Longgeorge1 on July 3rd, 2013 8:08 pm

    I need a drink

  56. Longgeorge1 on July 3rd, 2013 8:15 pm

    Time to do a bowl!!

  57. californiamariner on July 3rd, 2013 8:16 pm

    Now that was more like it Wilhelmsen. Now within 11 games of the Rangers!

    By the way, Seager is on pace to reach 5 WAR.

  58. msfanmike on July 3rd, 2013 8:17 pm

    Demon conquered … He held onto the ball and got his foot on the bag after throwing 97 mph cheese. The curveball will come back.

    He’s all better now.

  59. SonOfZavaras on July 3rd, 2013 8:35 pm

    Nice win, kids.

    I’m greedy. I realllllly want a sweep of these guys.

  60. mossi on July 4th, 2013 12:36 pm

    Nice post. It was crucial for the ace, the ‘ender and the team’s psyche, to pull out this victory. Take it to the next level and sweep in Texas.(!) Reel off some wins and make us believe we have some great things developing. Dust off that container of Kool Aid. Zunino’s at-bat was a huge boost in the middle of the game. I’m sure it gave Felix’s “sails” some wind. He doesn’t ask for much. I wonder what Felix’s record is in games we’ve scored more than twice. What if Smoak, Ackley, Saunders, Miller, and Zunino all gain confidence and get hot together in July and August ? After such a long, disappointing spring I have nothing to lose in envisioning a miracle summer! … right? “That’s Mariner baseball”.

  61. Westside guy on July 4th, 2013 1:21 pm

    Mossi, I don’t think Ackley and Saunders will be given the chance to “get hot together”. Saunders’ average was already back up when Wedge started sitting him, and it’s been apparent that Wedge intends to platoon the two of them and keep running the old guys veterans out there on both corners, every day.

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