Game 90, Red Sox at Mariners

marc w · July 9, 2013 at 5:10 pm · Filed Under Mariners 

Hisashi Iwakuma vs. Allen Webster, 7:10pm

Allen Webster was the major prospect moving from the Dodgers to the Red Sox in the blockbuster trade a year ago involving Josh Beckett and Adrian Gonzalez. Rated as Boston’s #4 prospect heading into 2013, the righty has a mid-90s fastball and can touch 97-98, along with a slider, a curve and a change-up. Unlike, say, Brandon Maurer, Webster uses his change-up a ton, and will throw it to righties and lefties alike. In the minors, he was rumored to have a great breaking ball while the change was a work in progress, but in his very brief MLB career, he’s thrown a ton of changes, and it’s worked reasonably well. Given that, you’d assume he’d have even platoon splits. Unfortunately, like, say, Brandon Maurer, Webster’s been annihilated by lefty bats. Again, he hasn’t faced many batters in total, so splits just drive down the sample further, but the same was true of Maurer. In 56 plate appearances against southpaws, Webster’s yielded 18 hits, including five HRs, another five walks against only seven strikeouts. When your walk rate is creeping up on your home run rate, that’s a problem.

He’s got a three-quarter delivery, and his release point’s 2 – 2.5 feet towards third base, so lefties get a long look at the ball, but it’s by no means extreme – his delivery itself doesn’t scream “platoon splits” the way Carter Capps’ does. And the change-up really has been effective, even to lefties – he hasn’t racked up a lot of K’s despite using it a ton in two-strike counts, but he hasn’t been hit hard either. Instead, the problem’s been his fastball. Looking at his overall minor league splits, you may not have seen the splits problem coming. They’re completely unremarkable, the way Maurer’s were. It’s notable that his walk rate was always higher vs. lefties, and more telling in hindsight that his splits deteriorated in AAA. But this would be something cool to study – are there shared characteristics of pitchers without much of a history of splits vs. lower level hitters who get blasted by opposite-handed hitters in the bigs? And, would you be able to detect which samples of 50-100 batters were “real” and which were small sample weirdness?

The M’s are trotting out a lefty-heavy line-up more out of necessity than choice, but that’s fine – they’re in a good position to take another series against another good ballclub, and I’ll take that given how many losses we’ve been subjected to.
Line-up:
1: Miller, SS
2: Franklin, 2B
3: Ibanez, LF
4: Morales, DH
5: Seager, 3B
6: Smoak, 1B
7: Saunders, RF
8: Zunino, C
9: Ackley, CF
SP: All-Star Iwakuma

I mentioned Gohara, Paxton and Pike in yesterday’s preview, and they each pitched well. James Paxton threw his first professional shut-out, a five-hit, four-K CG gem in Tucson. Gohara went 5 shutout innings himself, giving up three hits, no walks and striking out *nine*. Pike’s outing was clearly a step behind the other two, which is saying something, as Pike went 5 IP with only an unearned run scoring. He walked four though, against five punchouts.

It’s not exactly a shock, but the Rainiers have placed Danny Hultzen on the DL again after he “couldn’t get loose” before his last start. Hopefully, he won’t miss as much time as he did the first time this happened, but the M’s have to be thinking about just shutting him down and trying again in winter ball or even next spring.

Comments

114 Responses to “Game 90, Red Sox at Mariners”

  1. Westside guy on July 9th, 2013 5:14 pm

    “All-Star Iwakuma” has a nice ring to it!

  2. globalalpha on July 9th, 2013 5:23 pm

    You can’t spell Hishashi without the AS.

  3. phineasphreak on July 9th, 2013 5:32 pm

    This lineup. I like this lineup.

  4. Eastside Suds on July 9th, 2013 5:35 pm

    Any chance Bay can be thrown overboard and something can splash back by the deadline? With Morse possibly coming back healthy after the break (maybe that is the linchpin??), I can see where he might be on someone else’s bench in August. Thoughts???

  5. Longgeorge1 on July 9th, 2013 5:37 pm

    Hopefully Hultzen can heal by August and if he needs some work after the PCL season he can get some in Seattle

  6. Eastside Suds on July 9th, 2013 5:39 pm

    Bay looked helpless and over-matched last night when the hitting was contagious.

  7. G-Man on July 9th, 2013 5:48 pm

    I heard Iwakuma called “The Emperor” today on the radio. I like it!

  8. G-Man on July 9th, 2013 5:49 pm

    I think the M’s will get minimal return from anyone they want to trade. They’ll get organazational filler at best.

  9. casey on July 9th, 2013 6:22 pm

    your kidding – you realize Bay has 11 dingers and is nearly 35 right? Only 6 years from his prime years.

  10. casey on July 9th, 2013 6:24 pm

    Ackley has to be pretty marketable as a 2nd baseman. What could they get from a rebuilding team for him (starting pitcher, don’t we need a dh / firstbaseman type?)

  11. Paul B on July 9th, 2013 6:35 pm

    Someone might need Ryan as a defensive replacement.

  12. Longgeorge1 on July 9th, 2013 6:54 pm

    Think we could trade Raul for Michael Pineda (chuckle)

  13. Puffy on July 9th, 2013 6:55 pm

    Someone is going to want Oliver Perez (possibly the Red Sox), for sure. That might be the best bet for getting a couple of decent minor leaguers at the deadline.

  14. Will on July 9th, 2013 6:58 pm

    None of our players are going to net a nice prospect package, unless we’re dealing Iwakuma.

  15. djw on July 9th, 2013 7:06 pm

    Ackley has to be pretty marketable as a 2nd baseman.

    If he ever shows he can actually hit in the majors, you might be on to something.

  16. Longgeorge1 on July 9th, 2013 7:11 pm

    How the game has changed – In 1927 Babe Ruth had 14 sac. bunts – Raul has 2 in his career – both with KC

  17. msfanmike on July 9th, 2013 7:17 pm

    What kind of injury does Jacoby Ellsbury have, now?

  18. stevemotivateir on July 9th, 2013 7:19 pm

    Maybe Ruth’s bunts were directly related to hangovers, rather than small-ball?

  19. MrZDevotee on July 9th, 2013 7:19 pm

    Don’t underestimate desperate teams on the cusp of playoff contention…

    Raul
    Ryan
    Morales
    Smoak
    Saunders
    Iwakuma (not likely- but they’ll ask for him)
    Harang (dumb, but likely to get interest)
    Perez
    Wilhelmsen

    People will be calling the M’s. Playoff teams notoriously overrate experience when trying to build roster depth.

  20. Westside guy on July 9th, 2013 7:21 pm

    Remember when people thought David Ortiz was finished?

  21. californiamariner on July 9th, 2013 7:25 pm

    Kendrys!! I don’t recall many lefty Mariners hitting oppo home runs in safeco.

  22. Westside guy on July 9th, 2013 7:26 pm

    Kendrys!!

  23. Westside guy on July 9th, 2013 7:29 pm

    Sheesh, we could trade Morales and Ibañez and still have several guys who profile best at first base.

  24. Eastside Suds on July 9th, 2013 7:30 pm

    Big Poppy comes calling. A former Mariner Stud!

  25. Eastside Suds on July 9th, 2013 7:30 pm

    Big Poppy comes calling. A former Mariner Stud!

  26. californiamariner on July 9th, 2013 7:31 pm

    Westy jinxed us

  27. Eastside Suds on July 9th, 2013 7:32 pm

    Totally Westy’s fault

  28. Westside guy on July 9th, 2013 7:33 pm

    Last year Saunders hit one very much to left, but several to left center – which was impressive, and one of the reasons I want to see the team give him every chance:

    http://hittrackeronline.com/detail.php?id=2012_1821&type=hitter

    Sorry about the Papi homer, guys.

  29. Eastside Suds on July 9th, 2013 7:34 pm

    If you get behind Poppy, especially with a base empty, just walk him. He’s a base clogger anyway. Just don’t let him beat us deep.

  30. msfanmike on July 9th, 2013 7:35 pm

    Double play time!

  31. Westside guy on July 9th, 2013 7:39 pm

    Seager pulls almost all of them – but he also has the highest average distance:

    http://hittrackeronline.com/detail.php?id=2012_171&type=hitter

    And the team leader in “just barely” homers? The tree feller…

  32. Westside guy on July 9th, 2013 7:45 pm

    Sweet strikeout!

  33. Westside guy on July 9th, 2013 7:50 pm

    Pitcher seems to be missing his spots.

  34. Longgeorge1 on July 9th, 2013 7:56 pm

    Miller Time – Ackley can’t throw, but he can run a bit

  35. Westside guy on July 9th, 2013 7:57 pm

    Sweet! Miller!

  36. Slats on July 9th, 2013 7:57 pm

    Miller time!

  37. Westside guy on July 9th, 2013 7:58 pm

    Wedge, don’t you dare mess up these new kids – they already know how to hit.

  38. jeffs98119 on July 9th, 2013 8:00 pm

    What a pleasure to hear intelligent conversation between Wilson and Blowers, as opposed to the idiot-speak of Squishy Jay Buhner. It’s like the difference between Felix and Blake Beaven.

  39. Westside guy on July 9th, 2013 8:00 pm

    Okay, Raul, don’t let the kids show you up.

  40. msfanmike on July 9th, 2013 8:03 pm

    I really miss Brendan Ryan

  41. Eastside Suds on July 9th, 2013 8:07 pm

    Stay ahead Kuma. Stay ahead.

  42. pgreyy on July 9th, 2013 8:09 pm

    Our pitchers don’t like leads.

  43. msfanmike on July 9th, 2013 8:09 pm

    I really miss Randy Johnson, now.

  44. Slats on July 9th, 2013 8:10 pm

    Kuma has a HR problem.

  45. Longgeorge1 on July 9th, 2013 8:10 pm

    fffffffffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuccccccccccccccccckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

  46. Will on July 9th, 2013 8:10 pm

    Iwakuma was due for a huge explosion…

  47. Westside guy on July 9th, 2013 8:11 pm

    WHAT HAPPENED?

    I went away to take a phone call, and didn’t bother to pause the game because this is Kuma not Bonderman.

  48. Eastside Suds on July 9th, 2013 8:12 pm

    five hits in a row. 4 for extra bases

  49. Westside guy on July 9th, 2013 8:14 pm

    Saunders has a strong arm but he’s no Ichiro or Wells when it comes to accuracy.

  50. Sports on a Shtick on July 9th, 2013 8:17 pm

    This is a fun game, I will admit that.

  51. juneau_fan on July 9th, 2013 8:17 pm

    Holy flipping game.

    The heck!!

    The Red Sox do give the games an extra sparkle.

  52. Kazinski on July 9th, 2013 8:23 pm

    Remember when Kendrys and Seagar were both in a slump?

    Seagar’s 365 day numbers 7/8/12 – 7/8/13:
    .281/.339/.451 .343wOBA 123wRC+ 5.3fWAR

  53. californiamariner on July 9th, 2013 8:24 pm

    I don’t know wtf is going to happen in this game but it’s exciting.

  54. juneau_fan on July 9th, 2013 8:25 pm

    Aceves is crazy. This will be interesting.

  55. Slats on July 9th, 2013 8:25 pm

    This game is crazy.

  56. Westside guy on July 9th, 2013 8:27 pm

    Condor!

    These Boston pitchers are the cure for what ailed him.

  57. juneau_fan on July 9th, 2013 8:27 pm

    CRAZY

  58. Slats on July 9th, 2013 8:28 pm

    Hold onto the lead this time Kuma!

  59. Westside guy on July 9th, 2013 8:29 pm

    OCCASIONALLY these sorts of games are a blast to watch. I wouldn’t want to have this happen every time, though.

  60. Eastside Suds on July 9th, 2013 8:33 pm

    These games put the grey in the pitching coaches’ hair….if they have any left

  61. juneau_fan on July 9th, 2013 8:36 pm

    Is Beavan’s frozen up there?

    He’s taken the fun out of the game in one batter.

  62. msfanmike on July 9th, 2013 8:38 pm

    Well, this answers the question as to whether or not Beavan will get the start on Thursday.

    When Erasmo does get called up, I think Capps will be the guy going to AAA.

    Thoughts?

  63. californiamariner on July 9th, 2013 8:41 pm

    Iwakuma really couldn’t be given a chance to go a little longer?

  64. Eastside Suds on July 9th, 2013 8:41 pm

    Really amazing to me that all three of these guys in the box didn’t know the rule about trips to the mound. The Boston manager was stopped from going to the mound by the umpire (which is the correct protocol), otherwise, he gets ejected because the same batter was still hitting. The batter must COMPLETE his at bat before the pitcher can be removed.

    Blowesr was wrong about a pitch having to be thrown. That’s not right Mike! The pitcher has to complete his pitching to that batter in order to be pulled (unless he gets injured).

    This is baseball 101.

  65. Westside guy on July 9th, 2013 8:42 pm

    Games early, Mike. If they have to replace Beavan soon, they may have to send several people down to refresh the bullpen!

  66. amnizu on July 9th, 2013 8:43 pm

    New nickname: Dustin “Gnomeo” Ackley

  67. Eastside Suds on July 9th, 2013 8:44 pm

    8.06 (a) This rule limits the number of trips a manager or coach may make to any one pitcher in any one inning;
    (b) A second trip to the same pitcher in the same inning will cause this pitcher’s automatic removal;
    (c) The manager or coach is prohibited from making a second visit to the mound while the same batter is at bat, but
    (d) if a pinch-hitter is substituted for this batter, the manager or coach may make a second visit to the mound, but must remove the pitcher.

    In a case where a manager has made his first trip to the mound and then returns the second time to the mound in the same inning with the same pitcher in the game and the same batter at bat, after being warned by the umpire that he cannot return to the mound, the manager shall be removed from the game and the pitcher required to pitch to the batter until he is retired or gets on base. After the batter is retired, or becomes a base runner, then this pitcher must be removed from the game. The manager should be notified that his pitcher will be removed from the game after he pitches to one hitter, so he can have a substitute pitcher warmed up.

  68. juneau_fan on July 9th, 2013 8:46 pm

    Any guesses on the final score?

    16-14…But who’s the winner?

  69. Eastside Suds on July 9th, 2013 8:47 pm

    12-10 Mariners

  70. Westside guy on July 9th, 2013 8:49 pm

    9-8 Mariners

  71. msfanmike on July 9th, 2013 8:49 pm

    Mike Cameron dinger will win it in the 17th inning.

  72. juneau_fan on July 9th, 2013 8:51 pm

    Dan Wilson in the booth is such a breath of fresh air compared to Bone. Like, I actually learn something about how the game is played.

  73. nvn8vbryce on July 9th, 2013 8:51 pm

    Why is Wedge trying to bunt Miller?

  74. Eastside Suds on July 9th, 2013 8:52 pm

    Agreed. Dan is very knowledgable. Still should have known the pitching rule. C’mon Danny!!

  75. Westside guy on July 9th, 2013 8:52 pm

    That play was amazing even though Miller beat it out.

  76. juneau_fan on July 9th, 2013 8:54 pm

    Game is still crazy.

  77. Westside guy on July 9th, 2013 8:55 pm

    Catchers are often very smart… which makes Wedge even more confusing.

  78. Breadbaker on July 9th, 2013 8:56 pm

    Mike Cameron dinger will win it in the 17th inning.

    You mean 19th. I was there. The moment Jeff Fassero was announced as the Red Sox pitcher I turned to my wife and said, “Game Over.”

  79. Westside guy on July 9th, 2013 8:57 pm

    Raul, the kids are showing you up today – are you really gonna take that?

  80. msfanmike on July 9th, 2013 8:58 pm

    I am pretty sure Miller was bunting for a hit on his own and it wasn’t Wedge’s idea. Wedge got on Franklin for bunting after hitting the dinger in Cincinnati – telling him something to the effect that the baseball Gods were getting even with him for trying to bunt rather than hit his way on base.

  81. juneau_fan on July 9th, 2013 9:05 pm

    What that the first innings the M’s didn’t score? They still got some hits. Which is more than we can say for many, many games.

  82. Westside guy on July 9th, 2013 9:06 pm

    Random fact: Justin Smoak’s longest home run ever was 429 feet.

  83. Westside guy on July 9th, 2013 9:07 pm

    Okay, Boston is not allowed to score any more runs tonight.

  84. juneau_fan on July 9th, 2013 9:07 pm

    Son of a bitch.

    Only so long before that happened.

  85. msfanmike on July 9th, 2013 9:08 pm

    Maybe Beavan can be the one sent down on Thursday.

  86. Westside guy on July 9th, 2013 9:13 pm

    Raul Ibañez hit one 468 feet in 2006.

    Wow, Ackley hit one 452 feet last year.

  87. juneau_fan on July 9th, 2013 9:25 pm

    I can only imagine the tabs on your browser, Westy, to be able to access all these facts and figures during a game.

  88. Westside guy on July 9th, 2013 9:28 pm

    Sorry – I just find that home run tracker fascinating.

  89. juneau_fan on July 9th, 2013 9:29 pm

    Why do they keep pitching to Papi? There’s no shame in walking him like Felix did.

    That throw by Raul was funny. Five bounces to third?

  90. Westside guy on July 9th, 2013 9:30 pm

    Raul’s got a strong arm, Juneau! A strong arm! Just keep repeating that to yourself…

  91. juneau_fan on July 9th, 2013 9:33 pm

    The ball rolled to a stop before it got to Seager!

    And keep the facts rolling. It makes the game go faster.

  92. Eastside Suds on July 9th, 2013 9:35 pm

    I said that earlier about Papi, They didn’t listen to Suds.

  93. pgreyy on July 9th, 2013 9:36 pm

    Ack! Thbt!

  94. Westside guy on July 9th, 2013 9:38 pm

    Miller appears to be rather speedy.

  95. Westside guy on July 9th, 2013 9:41 pm

    I was expecting Big Papi to have a bunch of monster home runs, but – while he’s had a couple just shy of 460 feet, he seems to just be sort of consistently strong. Lots of 420s, 430s, 440s.

  96. Westside guy on July 9th, 2013 9:46 pm

    Mike Morse really is a beast – a significant number of dingers in the 450-470 range the past couple years. Unfortunately the tracker doesn’t think he hit any prior to 2011.

  97. Westside guy on July 9th, 2013 9:48 pm

    Raul has apparently decided not to steal the kids’ thunder this evening.

  98. juneau_fan on July 9th, 2013 10:11 pm

    And for the 100X, I ask, why are you pitching to Papi?

  99. Westside guy on July 9th, 2013 10:16 pm

    Boston sure has had a lot of success over the years employing ex-Mariners…

  100. Westside guy on July 9th, 2013 10:17 pm

    Good grief Capps, at least LOOK at first base occasionally.

  101. juneau_fan on July 9th, 2013 10:19 pm

    Well, that was humiliating.

    And you walk Salty but not Ortiz?

  102. Sports on a Shtick on July 9th, 2013 10:19 pm

    Carter Capps is still on this team?

  103. Westside guy on July 9th, 2013 10:20 pm

    This is getting significantly less fun.

  104. Breadbaker on July 9th, 2013 10:20 pm

    Why Capps is still in King County instead of Pierce County is beyond me. And of course, wasn’t Capps part of the reason Steve Delabar was expendable?

  105. juneau_fan on July 9th, 2013 10:21 pm

    That intentional walk was insane–and it scores. All of a sudden, Wedge was getting strategic?

  106. Westside guy on July 9th, 2013 10:23 pm

    Why is Eric Wedge still in King County?

  107. Sports on a Shtick on July 9th, 2013 10:24 pm

    Lucas looked pretty good there. Glad to see him back.

  108. juneau_fan on July 9th, 2013 10:35 pm

    Come on, Crazy Hands Miller!

  109. G-Man on July 9th, 2013 10:49 pm

    Capps might get sent down when Ramirez comes up to start on Thursday’s game.

    Did Rauuuuuul throw another lawn dart?

  110. juneau_fan on July 9th, 2013 10:53 pm

    The fun game isn’t fun anymore.

  111. Westside guy on July 9th, 2013 10:54 pm

    More of a toddler throw than a lawn dart.

  112. gopilots70 on July 9th, 2013 11:06 pm

    Anybody else notice that our manager started managing this game like we were getting blown out in the top of the fourth inning? But I looked at the score–we were leading 7-6–and wondered why our blow out mop up guy (Beavan) was in the game.

    Would have liked to see us go all out to win game two of this series. Medina, Furbush, Perez, Wilhelmson to finish as long as we were leading.

    But I know, once again we should not “get too greedy at this time of year”.

  113. gopilots70 on July 9th, 2013 11:10 pm

    We go with a guy leading 7-6 with a big crowd (i know this should not matter) in a big series (best record in the leage) and choose to go with a guy who has not pitched in 9 days and whose ERA is just under six and an FIP of nearing 5.

  114. raul_podzednick on July 10th, 2013 9:30 am

    The Red Sox crappy pitcher was getting a low strike the Iwakuma was not.

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