Game 155, Mariners at Angels

marc w · September 21, 2013 at 2:15 pm · Filed Under Mariners 

Joe Saunders vs. Jerome Williams, 6:05pm

I thought we had ‘em last night, you guys.

Jerome Williams has gone from a fascinating story to your standard #5 starter. The novelty wears off, and he’s just another Angel pitcher giving up home runs like it’s 1999. He’s got fairly large platoon splits, so this is a decent match-up for the rejuvenated Michael Saunders, the hopefully figuring-thing-out Nick Franklin and a rested Kyle Seager. Against lefties, Williams throws a 92-93mph sinker, a change-up and a cutter. To righties, he’s primarily a four-seam/cutter guy, with an occasional curve.

The M’s suffered their 13th walk-off loss, and their 14th extra-inning defeat last night.

A year ago, the M’s were 72-80, on their way to a 75-87 finish. With 87 losses already, the M’s are on their way to 90+ losses. Before the season began, many thought that while the M’s wouldn’t contend, the inertia from last year’s finish and the replacement of black holes like Miguel Olivo and Chone Figgins virtually guaranteed the team a shot at .500. This isn’t about quibbling with projections or playing gotcha with people (since I predicted the team would be much better than this too). But what would you have said if someone had told you that the team would lose 90 games, or that the team would finish with a worse record than 2012?

1: Ackley, 2B
2: Almonte, CF
3: Seager, 3B
4: Morales, DH
5: Ibanez, LF
6: Smoak, 1B
7: Saunders, RF
8: Franklin, SS
9: Blanco, C
SP: Joe Saunders

That’s a very good line-up to throw at Williams. Franklin looked OK at SS yesterday, though I still say he’s not an average MLB SS long term. I’m happier about his bat waking up.

Divish mentioned that Michael Saunders made a slight tweak to his swing in the St. Louis series, and that he’s looked much better afterwards. Hopefully he can keep that momentum going against Williams.

Dave mentioned early on that Danny Farquhar was intriguing despite what was, for a time, a truly ugly ERA. He was getting strikeouts, and his stuff had improved markedly, but every ball fell in for a hit and every runner seemed to come around to score. It’s by no means the same situation, but I feel a bit bad for Chance Ruffin who now has 13 strikeouts in 7 2/3 IP. He’s got three unintentional walks, and of course one forced in a run. Add it up, and his xFIP is less than HALF of his ERA. I’m not saying Ruffin’s going to get a shot at closing the way Farquhar has, but it’s just good to see him pitching fairly well after an awful 2012 that saw him struggle to get strikeouts in the PCL.

Comments

53 Responses to “Game 155, Mariners at Angels”

  1. Snuffy on September 21st, 2013 3:24 pm

    A comment from Wedge… “And Saunders has been swinging the bat well so that’s why I’ve been trying to play them (Ackley & Saunders) more.”

    So today Wedge moves Saunders out of the 2 hole to #7. Wedge’s greatest attribute is his consistency, that is not meant as a compliment.

  2. Westside guy on September 21st, 2013 3:31 pm

    Saunders has been swinging the bat well for the second half of the season – and he still sat a lot.

    I think Wedge’s definition of “swinging the bat well” doesn’t jibe with most other people’s definition of the phrase. But, in any case, we only have to tolerate a few more games of this Wedge-i-ness.

  3. raul_podzednick on September 21st, 2013 5:20 pm

    At this point I am just looking forward to Dave’s off season plan.

  4. Westside guy on September 21st, 2013 5:39 pm

    ^ Since the team hasn’t developed at all since last season, he can probably just load up last year’s plan and update the names.

  5. Westside guy on September 21st, 2013 6:34 pm

    Exciting game so far…

  6. Westside guy on September 21st, 2013 6:50 pm

    Boy I really hope the team re-signs Joe Saunders. He’s just such an amazing pitcher.

  7. juneau_fan on September 21st, 2013 7:09 pm

    Shot of Carl Willis’s face right there made me feel sorry for him. He’ll be out of a job too. Not that I’m sure it won’t be a relief in a way, but unemployed in unemployed.

  8. Westside guy on September 21st, 2013 7:14 pm

    Out of seven billion people on this planet, Joe Saunders is easily one of the 5000 best pitchers.

    Yeah, Juneau, I expect most of the people below Wedge’s level don’t make huge amounts of money.

  9. juneau_fan on September 21st, 2013 7:24 pm

    I don’t know why I have such a hatred for Saunders. It’s some residual hate I have for all Angels players, but there’s something more. Maybe it’s the way the game just always feels so hopeless when he’s out there.

  10. Westside guy on September 21st, 2013 7:27 pm

    I dislike Joe Saunders because it seems like he’s always upset with other people when things don’t go his way – the umps, his defense, etc. and he makes it very obvious.

    For a mediocre pitcher that’s especially crappy. Don’t blame Miller for one bad play when you’re throwing batting practice fastballs half the time.

  11. mrakbaseball on September 21st, 2013 7:38 pm

    Blanco, in a 0-31 slide. Good mentor.

  12. Longgeorge1 on September 21st, 2013 7:42 pm

    M’s= 0-37 slide. The Cubs will win a WS before M’s

  13. Hunter S. Thompson on September 21st, 2013 7:47 pm

    I feel sorry for Saunders, in a way, because he more then anyone else is hurt by the two DH’s that we surronded a corner outfield playing center that we ran out for most of the season. Is Saunders good, no he is the definition of innings eater, but or defense probally is going to cost him millions in the offseason. That and his rough start got sports radio all over his case. I’m glad the AM radio doesn’t work in my car on the way into work.

  14. pgreyy on September 21st, 2013 8:21 pm

    There is no “u” in team.

  15. Westside guy on September 21st, 2013 8:21 pm

    Raul comes through again…

  16. Breadbaker on September 21st, 2013 8:21 pm

    Nice play, Raul

  17. djw on September 21st, 2013 8:22 pm

    Good God Ibanez is a butcher. What an embarrassment that he’s playing the field.

  18. Westside guy on September 21st, 2013 8:23 pm

    Every once in a blue moon could be forgiven – but he seemingly does this every couple of games (at a minimum).

    Hey, Sims – ask Jack Z tomorrow, while he’s in the booth, how Raul’s defense doesn’t give away every bit of his offensive value and more.

  19. gopilots70 on September 21st, 2013 8:27 pm

    That was pitch number 105 for Joe Saunders; his effectiveness may start slipping, as he holds opposing hitters to a .317 average in the first 105 pitches but they hit .364 off him after that.

    from mlb.com ‘scout’

  20. juneau_fan on September 21st, 2013 8:27 pm

    Why am I still ‘watching’* this game?

    *Have it while I’m doing other stuff.

    That inane low roar of the crowd as they do the wave is particularly annoying. I mean, besides the fact that Wedge sent Saunders back out there…And another run.

  21. Westside guy on September 21st, 2013 8:27 pm

    Nice pitch Joe.

  22. Longgeorge1 on September 21st, 2013 8:28 pm

    Just a little outside

  23. pgreyy on September 21st, 2013 8:28 pm

    Saunders throwing that pitch to the backstop, evidently, was incidental to that straight steal of home.

  24. Westside guy on September 21st, 2013 8:28 pm

    Hahaha gopilots!

    “Holds” them to a .317 average… Priceless!

  25. Hunter S. Thompson on September 21st, 2013 8:29 pm

    And thank you Raul for proving the Dukes’s point.

  26. gopilots70 on September 21st, 2013 8:31 pm

    But you all are discounting the fact that Raul has made the young players better….”veteranship” to quote Mr. Sims

  27. Breadbaker on September 21st, 2013 8:32 pm

    Apparently, Sims is not permitted to comment on the atrocities. Raul couldn’t get to that ball and Saunders throwing a ball that will be used on every other team’s blooper reel for the rest of time had nothing to do with the straight steal of home.

  28. pgreyy on September 21st, 2013 8:35 pm

    I love the fact that Hunter S. Thompson just talked about Ra(o)ul and Duke.

    Makes this former Doonesbury reader giggle.

  29. Hunter S. Thompson on September 21st, 2013 8:35 pm

    Sims is a team employee and that comes with some restrictions.

    In similar situation Keith Law who is one of the ultimate straight shooters, had to answer a chat question.
    summarizing
    “I’m limited on what I can say about a fellow ESPN teammate, by contract, but I disagree with several of the points made in the article.”
    Broadcasters can’t just call it as they see it and not face the consequences, its a sad fact but it is a fact.

  30. Hunter S. Thompson on September 21st, 2013 8:39 pm

    pgeyy, I miss a lot of the old humor as well, and of course, the Good Doctor.

  31. Westside guy on September 21st, 2013 8:42 pm

    If we could combine Franklin’s ability to hammer a fastball but inability to handle anything else with Peguero’s ability to crush off speed stuff but inability to hit fastballs…

    We might have one awesome hitter (and the most bizarre looking dude in baseball).

  32. Breadbaker on September 21st, 2013 8:42 pm

    Dave Niehaus called awful plays awful as long as he was here. He was a gentleman and didn’t harp on it, but if he saw something he called it as he saw it.

    After all, isn’t the whole reason Ibanez and Joe Saunders are on this team that they were supposed to lead by example?

  33. Westside guy on September 21st, 2013 8:43 pm

    Hey Bradley!

  34. Hunter S. Thompson on September 21st, 2013 8:48 pm

    Dave was Dave, you can’t fire the voice of the mariner’s, but your point is taken. Blowers’ Simms and the rest can’t, most likely point out the flaws a trend but when it happens they sure could say, that was a bad play. Or a average fielder would have gotten to that. But Blowers as a former player for the team he calls games for may be conflicted and Ron, is a hell of a footbal play by play man who is horrible at baseball, and I mean horrible. My wife who follows baseball by playing on her phone why I watch the game is always saying they should get a new announcer these guys don’t make any sense. She loves Franklin but some how also thinks he’s Ackley and gets confused why Franklin shave his beard.

  35. Longgeorge1 on September 21st, 2013 8:52 pm

    Despite this clutterbuck on display this has turned into a game. I like Abe

  36. Longgeorge1 on September 21st, 2013 9:03 pm

    The announcers and the team are at about on the same level. How could Sims call out a player for being bad? Kettle meet pot

  37. pgreyy on September 21st, 2013 9:06 pm

    300 U’s!

  38. Longgeorge1 on September 21st, 2013 9:06 pm

    OK we can put him on the bench!

  39. mrakbaseball on September 21st, 2013 9:07 pm

    Congrats Raul!

  40. Longgeorge1 on September 21st, 2013 9:08 pm

    pgreyy -Perfectly said

  41. Hunter S. Thompson on September 21st, 2013 9:08 pm

    Longgeore1, he need’s one more then we can sit him. But that’s assuming we would put a club house leaders individual accomplishments over the teams.

  42. msfanmike on September 21st, 2013 9:09 pm

    Congratulations, Raul. Nice accomplishment.

  43. djw on September 21st, 2013 9:09 pm

    Congrats, now please retire with dignity, Raul. Don’t pull a Griffey.

  44. Longgeorge1 on September 21st, 2013 9:12 pm

    Hunter – yes, more thinking that the 29 doesn’t bring him back for 2014 but 299 would

  45. gopilots70 on September 21st, 2013 9:12 pm

    Nice, nice career Raul!!. In and out of Seattle. Hope to see you in the broadcast booth next year….gettin squishy

  46. msfanmike on September 21st, 2013 9:12 pm

    I promised myself to not complain about Joe Saunders during the game. Now that the game is over ….. Nah, not worth the time. I am glad to only have to see him pitch 1 more time for the Mariners, though.

  47. Westside guy on September 21st, 2013 9:13 pm

    Good job, Raul! Most players never sniff 300 home runs – it says something about your skill as a hitter, and your ability to persevere, that you reached that milestone.

    The age 41 record seems artificially contrived to me – but knocking 300 homers is significant!

  48. Westside guy on September 21st, 2013 9:16 pm

    Ugh, way to ruin it Count.

    Raul’s been a good hitter for a long time – but comparing him to Edgar?! Are you a complete idiot???

  49. msfanmike on September 21st, 2013 9:16 pm

    Franklins swing is looking better now that he isn’t falling backward and flying open. He might have gotten a little “power happy” and started swinging through his own ass. Staying locked in and spinning (instead of flying open) should help him stay on the breaking pitches, too. In theory.

  50. killeverything on September 21st, 2013 9:18 pm

    Congrats to Raul.

    Now that’s two positives to take away from this ( yet another ) loss. This has to be the last of the Wedge era. HAS to.

    In another positive this could finally be the end of Zueredenick.

  51. Longgeorge1 on September 21st, 2013 9:23 pm

    Raul tied for #136 all-time – think about it

  52. Hunter S. Thompson on September 21st, 2013 9:30 pm

    If we could only get him to 125, no bad thoughts, bad thoughts. I either hope he retires or we get new leadership because Z and wedge would play him until he cracked 125.

  53. Breadbaker on September 21st, 2013 9:57 pm

    His most similar player, by far, is Jeff Conine and when you think about it, that makes so much sense. The only difference being Conine got both his rings with the Marlins, the team he was most associated with, while Raul got his with the Phillies and obviously not the Ms.

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