Matthew Carruth · December 12, 2013 at 11:15 pm · Filed Under Mariners 

Jeff and I recorded a podcast to see if we still could. We could.

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73 Responses to “Podcast”

  1. Westside guy on December 13th, 2013 6:47 am

    Woo hoo! Thanks guys!

  2. MrZDevotee on December 13th, 2013 7:42 am

    Shhh… On the sly… I might have discovered something. Checking out Logan Morrison’s hilarious tweets, and there was one from David Price to him (they’re “Friends” on twitter), so then I ended up checking out David Price’s tweets– and he had this tweet from former teammate, ex-Ray Gabe Kapler to him (Price) yesterday:

    “A lucky suitor w the right mix of youngsters is going to acquire one of the great teammates in MLB”

    Hmmm. Do they know something we don’t?

  3. StatisticallyInsignificant on December 13th, 2013 8:14 am

    Nice way to start a Friday – thanks guys!

  4. ChrisFB on December 13th, 2013 8:31 am

    I usually take these as some sort of fair-weather mark that either the M’s are doing things really right, or hilariously, can’t-look-away wrong. Now today’s podcast has advanced the notion of “they are interesting-thing generators”.

    And I do enjoy the Sifl-and-Olly sort of vibe you guys get when you try to spin these up. Don’t lose the Skype call noise as the start of your podcasts, guys.

    Good job talking through the money part of Cano, and attitudes and arguments over youth and payroll, and the “we all knew this” part of the Baker article.

    I do wonder if Jeff’s overvaluing Nick Franklin by thinking Franklin+Smoak+Erasmo could work for Price; I tend to agree with your point, Matthew that if Franklin is the best they can objectively do they should probably pull Price back.

    I also agree with “it’d be nice to have a Joe Saunders type who you can punt if say Erasmo is doing really well”, but – I say, without looking back over the last several seasons’ data – it seems like they hang on to their back end starters way too long and don’t actually punt them as easily as they should.

    And as a 41-year-old, your discussion around sports passion being more of a earlier in life, age-and-stage thing was interesting. And a bit depressing. Which hey, interesting and a bit depressing is really Mariners, right there.

    Go Hawks.

  5. Frozenropers on December 13th, 2013 9:06 am

    At the end of day, I think if the M’s want to get a David Price deal done and not include Walker, they are going to have to include Paxton. You would think a Franklin, Paxton, Smoak for Price and someone like DeJesus could make some sense. TB gets the young hitters and a pitcher they can slot into their rotation along with salary relief. M’s get their pitcher in Price and a solid defensive corner OFer in DeJesus that could fit into the mix.

  6. Chongo on December 13th, 2013 9:24 am

    I enjoy the hell out of these podcasts. I’d like to disabuse you of the notion that they are of little value or should be abandoned. They’re informative and…well, they’re a fucking riot. Maybe even better when suffused with bitter disappointment and your indignant, learned brand of fandom.
    Thank you. Don’t stop.

  7. henryv on December 13th, 2013 9:32 am

    You have made me the happiest man alive. (Tears form.)

  8. TumwaterMike on December 13th, 2013 9:32 am

    “You would think a Franklin, Paxton, Smoak for Price and someone like DeJesus could make some sense. TB gets the young hitters and a pitcher they can slot into their rotation along with salary relief. M’s get their pitcher in Price and a solid defensive corner OFer in DeJesus that could fit into the mix.”

    They would still be a pitcher short. If the could possibly go Franklin, Smoak, Ackley, Mauer and Wilhelmsen for Price and DeJesus, I’m OK with that. I saw DeJesus’ wife on the Amazing Race. She was pretty hot.

  9. Edgar Suzuki Jr. on December 13th, 2013 12:21 pm

    The last couple of words summed up the current mentality of Seattle-based fans. ” Go Hawks!”

    Thanks for the podcast though, pretty awesome.

  10. Gamer on December 13th, 2013 2:12 pm

    Wow, Jeff uses some inappropriate language.

  11. djw on December 13th, 2013 2:57 pm

    Seems pretty appropriate to me, given the subject matter.

  12. just a fan on December 13th, 2013 3:39 pm

    I haven’t listened to yet, but I know it’s a fantastic podcast. Great work as always, guys!

  13. Vortex on December 13th, 2013 3:54 pm

    If only you could see the smile that came to my face upon seeing this post. Well, actually you probably don’t. But anway, nice podcast, I’ve been waiting a while and I’m glad the “band” is back together. Thanks guys.

  14. the tourist on December 13th, 2013 4:03 pm

    I’ve missed these….

  15. the tourist on December 13th, 2013 4:13 pm

    Wow. And there we go: Jeff and I are very similar in age. For some reason I’ve always thought he was older than me.

  16. Westside guy on December 13th, 2013 8:58 pm

    I listened to the podcast on the way home from work today – I LOVE having this to listen to and get my mind away from work!

    Some of your comments did bring my concerns about the current state of the team into focus, though. I was unaware that both LoMo and Hart were moved out of the outfield BEFORE they needed knee surgery, for instance – that makes me worry more about Jack Z’s stated plans. Maybe the lesson he learned from the last offseason wasn’t “don’t put DHs into the outfield”… given he’s accruing lots of these guys again, I think he might think the only problem was he didn’t have good enough pitchers on the mound in front of them. If this really is the outfield he plans on using, Cano’s good years are going to be wasted.

  17. Kouvre on December 14th, 2013 1:17 am

    I’ve never actually listened to your guys’ podcasts before, but it’s great knowing that your banter is just as entertaining as your writing. Although you really need to talk more about volcanoes.

  18. ripperlv on December 14th, 2013 9:41 am

    Don’t quit your day job.

  19. Bodhizefa on December 14th, 2013 12:45 pm

    Thanks for the podcast, gents. I hope someday Matthew regains his love for the Mariners (you can hear the continuous disdain for them in every word and expression).

  20. rjjunior on December 14th, 2013 12:59 pm

    If you’re looking for feedback, I honestly couldn’t make it past about 10 minutes. (negativity, language, trying too hard to be funny…). Just an opinion.

    But your writing is good!

  21. Eastside Suds on December 14th, 2013 2:25 pm

    The Mariners can not be finished. Hart/LoMo pretty much took Morales/Cruz and maybe even Choo out of the picture.

    Here is a list of needs as I see it with the current Mariners roster:

    We need a veteran backup catcher with Zunino. Hopefully a player with solid defensive skills and a right handed hitter who wouldn’t mind platooning. Obvious choice here: KURT SUZUKI

    Outfield need: defensive in nature/center fielder with some pop preferably: FRANKLIN GUTIERREZ (low end contract with lots of incentives)

    Starting pitcher that would be a top two/three guy to go with the rookies (Walker/Paxton) and not cost us a draft pick: RHP – MATT GARZA or LHP – PAUL MAHOLM

    Relief pitcher with experience to bolster our young, but promising bullpen: JOAQUIN BENOIT or GRANT BALFOUR

    Need to plug some holes still unless we are comfortable in just winning 80 games.

  22. MrZDevotee on December 14th, 2013 2:36 pm

    I really hate saying it, because I really love the guy as a player– but signing Franklin Gutierrez doesn’t solve any problems, it just creates new problems. You need to have an entire special plan in place just for the inevitable with Guty. I mean, the poor guy, he’s already been shut down in the winter leagues. He just can’t stay healthy. The only incentive we should offer Guty is a few thousand dollars to sign with SOMEONE ELSE.

  23. Eastside Suds on December 14th, 2013 3:35 pm

    I’m not in total disagreement MrZ. But, unless we want an Ackley/Saunders/Almonte centerfield solution, what is our next move? Who knows, maybe those three can get it done. I’d at least like to see a spring training invite to Guti if no one goes on him. Couldn’t hurt IMHO.

  24. Typical Idiot Fan on December 14th, 2013 4:21 pm

    Year + Era = Yeara. Tee hee…

  25. Bodhizefa on December 14th, 2013 6:38 pm

    There are still quite a few trade options I’d like to see explored before we go the Guti route. He’s just too darned unreliable. Drew Stubbs still makes plenty of sense for us, as do others.

  26. Edgar Suzuki Jr. on December 14th, 2013 8:29 pm

    I know the Dodgers stated they pulled Kemp off the market, but I wonder what a possible trade would’ve looked like.

  27. greentunic on December 15th, 2013 8:36 am

    I’m dying to know, what were LoMo’s two tweets!? Hard to find deleted tweets!

  28. greentunic on December 15th, 2013 8:38 am

    oooh. Just did a google news search for “Mariners tweet.” I see them now. Yikes haha.

  29. Westside guy on December 15th, 2013 11:56 am

    When your tweets show up in Google News, you know you’ve done something stupid.

  30. LongDistance on December 16th, 2013 3:18 am

    Feeling less enthusiastic about the Mariners isn’t because you’re older, it’s because there hasn’t been anything much to feel enthusiastic about.

    Just watch. If they make some moves that actually bolster the Cano signing in a way we don’t have to rationalize in order to fabricate hope, natural enthusiasm will return.

    As for the rest, for me the most bottom line moment, was when you guys started off discussing outfield positions, right, center, left… if we could get a right fielder… then, maybe this piece of that could do in center, although we don’t have anyone who can really do that… and left, what do we have, other than bum knees or, horrors, Raoul, back… until it finally fell out on the floor:

    We don’t have an outfield.

    And the other comment: They need to do about three more Canos to actually have a winning team.

    You’re right about that. And, it’s the unfortunate truth. That’s how bad this team really is.

  31. Eastside Suds on December 16th, 2013 7:20 am

    What we see before us is a 75-80 win team with lots of questions and no room for errors or injury. If we pick up Cruz, maybe that gives us a chance at a .500 season, but at what cost to future financial freedom and outfield defense? Will we be fun to watch in 2014? Perhaps. Will we be better than last the 2013 team? Probably. But let’s not be oblivious to the current status.

    I hope the fan base keeps in perspective that the M’s didn’t reload their team with an all-star cast, because they didn’t. I’m sure there will be a “new” catchy slogan for the fan base to sink their teet into. The M’s will be better, but not nearly good enough to beat the three headed monster above us. Thank goodness for Houston. (I hope)

  32. Westside guy on December 16th, 2013 11:06 am

    “The 2014 Seattle Mariners – We’ve paid a buttload of money for Robinson Cano!”

  33. currcoug on December 16th, 2013 11:41 am

    The Mariners were said to be looking for a closer, and someone with MLB experience for the bullpen. From here, this looks like a pretty good trade for Arizona. This could be a lost opportunity for Seattle, but perhaps the White Sox were just looking for a third baseman, and got a promising one in return.


  34. Eastside Suds on December 16th, 2013 1:22 pm

    “Cano — Can Do!!

  35. Eastside Suds on December 16th, 2013 1:23 pm

    “Sodo — LoMo”
    “2014 Mariners — Ya Gotta Have Hart”

  36. MrZDevotee on December 16th, 2013 1:29 pm

    “The Seattle Mariners– We’re Almost There!”

    (Really! We swear! Bear with us… A couple more Z extensions, some more high draft picks, another disgruntled Yankee’s player… And woohoo! We might win half our games!)

  37. TumwaterMike on December 16th, 2013 4:18 pm

    “The Seattle Mariners-at least we’re not the Marlins.”

  38. Eastside Suds on December 16th, 2013 4:34 pm

    Remaining Needs:

    Starting Pitcher and a veteran (or two) relief pitchers:

    Price or Garza would be nice. I’ll settle on Price if Walker isn’t a part of that trade.

    Relief Pitchers available:
    Andrew Bailey RHP
    J.C. Gutierrez RHP
    J.P. Howell LHP

    Backup Catcher: John Buck or Kurt Suzuki

    Another Right Handed Bat: Nelson Cruz

    I think we would and could live with this:

    SS Brad Miller
    CF Dustin Ackley
    DH Corey Hart
    2B Robinson Cano
    RF Nelson Cruz
    3B Kyle Seager
    LF Logan Morrison
    1B Justin Smoak
    C Mike Zunino

    SP Felix Hernandez
    SP David Price
    SP Hisashi Iwakuma
    SP Taijuan Walker
    SP James Paxton

    Blake Beavan RHP
    J.P. Howell LHP
    Andrew Bailey RHP
    Yoervis Medina RHP
    Charlie Furbush LHP
    Stephen Pryor LHP
    Danny Farquhar RHP

  39. SeattleSlew on December 16th, 2013 9:06 pm

    Its nice to see some different ideas the M’s could possibly explore in order to improve, the problem with rosterbation is that eventually people will post ideas that are completely unrealistic.

    The Rays are one of the smartest organization. There is no way they would trade Price for a package built around Franklin. Price would be a lot more valuable during the trade deadline, providing a better return from a team which is contending.

  40. LongDistance on December 16th, 2013 11:11 pm

    The Yankees are going to dogpile on Price.

  41. kinickers77 on December 17th, 2013 11:35 am

    @SeattleSlew – except that the Rays will be competitors at the deadline, meaning buyers (or at least not sellers), so a trade-deadline deal of Price is unlikely. I think he’s more likely to be dealt this off-season or next.

    In other news, Rosenthal is saying we were trying to deal Ackley to the Yanks but that “talks have no traction.” I bet/hope it was something around Gardner. Ackley plus others for Gardner. That’d be nice but looks like it ain’t happening.

  42. the tourist on December 17th, 2013 11:59 am

    Ackley plus others for Gardener would be terrible. Ackley has 4 years of control left and was showing signs of life the second half of last season. Gardener may be a 3-4 win player, but he’s a free agent after 2014. Therefore, Ackley straight up for Gardener would be bad for the Mariners in the long term. Ackley plus others, though? Ugh.

  43. kinickers77 on December 17th, 2013 12:07 pm

    I understand your points, tourist, but I have to disagree. Gardner can play good defense. Ackley has not shown he’s capable of good defense in the OF, and a half season of “showing signs of life” doesn’t erase the fact that he’s pretty much sucked for two years. Gardner also gets on base at a much higher rate and steals way more bases than Ackley.

    And I also agree with your concern about Gardner being a free agent after 2014. But, the Ms are clearly going for a “win now” approach, right? Z is trying to save his job. Gardner helps us win now. And if we actually pulled a miracle and did end up with a winning record next season, maybe Gardner would extend with us.

    It’s a tough call, though, I see your points. I think the deciding factor for me is that Gardner is a huge upgrade in defense over Ackley.

  44. the tourist on December 17th, 2013 1:24 pm

    I’ve never understood the appeal of trading many years for one year when a team could simply wait a year and overpay in money instead of personnel. So that’s where I’m coming from.

  45. kinickers77 on December 17th, 2013 3:02 pm

    Sounds like you’d rather take the riskier, cheaper player with longer team control, and I’d rather take the proven guy for a year, with hopes to resign him.

  46. the tourist on December 17th, 2013 3:35 pm

    Yeah. Like I said, though, if it was straigh up Ackley for Gardener, I wouldn’t be for it, but I wouldn’t hate it. Start throwing around additional pieces, and I really hate it. The 2015 Free Agent market is a wasteland, so Gardener resigning would take a ton of money.

    On the other hand, it would all but guarantee a qualifying offer and an extra draft pick. But then the team would be right back where they were, but with one less trading chip.

  47. Eastside Suds on December 17th, 2013 4:23 pm

    So much for picking up left-handed relief pitcher J.P. Howell. Dodgers re-signed him this afternoon. Rats!!

  48. MrZDevotee on December 18th, 2013 7:42 am

    Mariners sign Guty for 1 year, incentive based contract– per John Morosi at Fox Sports.

  49. Westside guy on December 18th, 2013 7:47 am

    The Gutierrez signing is probably pending a physical, though… ;-)

  50. MrZDevotee on December 18th, 2013 7:51 am

    Word. Probably pending a physical NOW, and another one on February 1st?

  51. MarinersFan34 on December 18th, 2013 7:51 am
  52. JasonJ on December 18th, 2013 8:15 am

    Good price for Guti. $1 million with additional $2 million in incentives. Even if they only get 40 games out of him (which is the most likely outcome) he should be able to provide more than .2 WAR over that time.

  53. Westside guy on December 18th, 2013 8:28 am

    Having Guti on the roster is a good thing. However it will make watching Ackley out there rather more painful.

  54. ChrisFB on December 18th, 2013 9:31 am

    So, recognizing that there’s still a ways to go before spring training… so far we have:

    - an outfielder coming off of health issues with one knee
    - an outfielder coming off of health issues with both knees
    - an outfielder coming off of health issues with everything
    - a replacement-level utility player
    - Robinson Cano.

    Please tell me that I simply need to look around the league more, and that the M’s are not the only club that seem to make the majority of their acquisitions every winter from the rehab / blue light special / “if he stays healthy” pile.

  55. LongDistance on December 18th, 2013 10:06 am

    Add to the outfield list a cameo appearance of Ichiro.

    And, no, I wasn’t serious about Price. But there was this growing tendency to be repeating like a sort of mantra that it’s almost more of a Mariners thing to do or not, that all it would take is trigger Walker and, hey, presto…

    I don’t know about that, considering how Price has only touched on the idea with a ten foot pole.

    Where’s Santa gone?

  56. TumwaterMike on December 18th, 2013 10:55 am

    The M’s just signed Burt Reynolds to a minor league contract. I know he’s kind of old, but look what Rauuuuul did last year. Maybe it will work out.

  57. MrZDevotee on December 18th, 2013 11:27 am

    M’s just signed Will Ferrell and Jack Black to platoon in between innings.

    Not sure how that will work out with Burt Reynolds, but I guess you can never have enough comic relief?

  58. TumwaterMike on December 18th, 2013 11:30 am

    Is Sean Connery available?

  59. MrZDevotee on December 18th, 2013 12:08 pm

    Ibanez just signed with the Angels.

    (True story, not more tomfoolery… Which kinda feels like it needs to be said… But yeah, he’s an Angel.)

  60. Westside guy on December 18th, 2013 12:17 pm


  61. Eastside Suds on December 18th, 2013 12:20 pm

    Thank Goodness!!!! Best of luck Raul, and I mean that!

  62. MrZDevotee on December 18th, 2013 12:48 pm

    /\ What Eastside said. Sums it up nicely from start to finish.

  63. ChrisFB on December 18th, 2013 2:30 pm

    Perhaps Raul is a double agent for the M’s.

  64. Eastside Suds on December 18th, 2013 3:41 pm

    Really see us needing a backup catcher next. Can we please sign Kurt Suzuki and be done with this? Another veteran who wouldn’t bat an eye at being part time, who is solid defensively and a right hander. I don’t know how he has done against everyone else, but when he played with the A’s, he killed us. Pick him up Jack. He’s cheap and a solid get!!

  65. kinickers77 on December 18th, 2013 4:28 pm

    Eastside Suds – Rosenthal says Ms are one of the suitors for Suzuki.

    Rosenthal also says we have lots of interest for Franklin right now. https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/413443973123158016

    Morosi says we have strong interest in Ervin Santana (Price trade fall through?).

    I think these are all good things.

  66. Typical Idiot Fan on December 18th, 2013 4:54 pm

    Anybody still toting the “Mariners are stupid and therefore will re-sign Raul Ibanez, sign Nelson Cruz to a lot of money, and will outbid themselves for Kendrys Morales” narrative briefcase?


    Huh. Wonder what changed.

  67. TumwaterMike on December 18th, 2013 4:55 pm

    Unless I’m mistaken that leaves us 41 on the 40 man roster. Is there a trade brewing or who do you think my get DFA’d. My guess is Noesi.

  68. Typical Idiot Fan on December 18th, 2013 5:43 pm

    Avery is probably the next to go. He is pretty redundant at this point. Or Peguero, but the M’s just don’t want to stop fucking that chicken.

  69. the tourist on December 18th, 2013 5:59 pm

    Peguero really, really needs to go.

  70. Westside guy on December 18th, 2013 6:13 pm

    Peguero is out of options.

  71. Westside guy on December 18th, 2013 6:22 pm

    And apparently Chance Ruffin was the odd man out.

  72. Typical Idiot Fan on December 18th, 2013 7:39 pm

    That’s kind of a shock. Aside from Furbush, though, the Mariners have now completely washed their hands of the Fister trade.

  73. Westside guy on December 18th, 2013 9:02 pm

    Funny how cheap Detroit gave Fister up too…

    Makes you wonder if they realized just how good they made out in that trade?

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