Game 78, Red Sox at Mariners

Jay Yencich · June 24, 2014 at 3:24 pm · Filed Under Mariners 

Erasmo Ramirez vs. Jake Peavy, 7:10 pm

That was some game last night, right?

This one will feature two guys who have not been what their respective teams expected them to be, though in Peavy’s case it’s more impactful. By whatever metric you care to look at, Peavy has not been good. His home run/fly ball percentage is the worst that it’s been since his sophomore season back in 2003 and his walks and K rates are in the same camp. He’s also lost a mile off his heater relative to last year, which is weird, because he’s using it more and hasn’t busted out the cutter nearly as often, if the pitch types are to be believed. Peavy has never been a pitcher with great stuff, so any loss of it is something that you can see the effects of. When, in addition to that, he doesn’t have good command, then things get rather bad for him. The Mariners have also hit him well in the past, when he was good and with the Padres or the White Sox. This looks like a winnable game for the Mariners which means that we could either win or lose the game.

A lot of lip service was played to the most recent start by Erasmo being the best. It is technically accurate in that he went six innings without a run and the last three starts have spanned scoreless 15.2 innings. But then this most recent outing against the Padres was the first in which he had more strikeouts than walks. By one. The Red Sox have the fourth best walk rate in the MLB. This could get aggravating in a hurry. Fortunately for Erasmo, the Red Sox rank 24th in isolated slugging as a team ahead of the Padres, Yankees, Rays, Mets, Cardinals, and Royals. Okay, some of those names seem like they belong there.

Some of us will likely be paying attention to the Taijuan Walker start in Tacoma tonight, just to figure out if he’s getting any closer. Others will be paying attention to it because Michael Saunders is hitting .529/.556/.941 (!) through his first four games there and our offense plainly looks a lot better with Condor in the lineup. One other consideration I would have is the whole Justin Smoak thing, beyond the fact that he’s been taking away at-bats from the previously red-hot Ji-Man Choi, which irks me. Smoak has been batting .217/.296/.391 down in Tacoma so far. The walks and power (sort of?) have been there, but he’s still striking out a bit and hits aren’t falling in for him regularly. Now that Logan Morrison is looking like he could be a solid lineup contributor, the question is what you do with first base once Smoak is ready. Play Smoak at first and keep with the defensive gains, leaving Morrison to DH, or play Morrison at first, take a hit on defense, and try to find an actual hitter to use at designated hitter instead of oh look here’s another lineup:

RF Endy Chavez
CF James Jones
2B Robinson Cano
3B Kyle Seager
1B Logan Morrison
C Mike Zunino
LF Dustin Ackley
SS Rad Miller
DH John Buck

D.J. Peterson, who was promoted to Jackson last night, and Gabriel Guerrero, who was not, have been named to the Futures Game. I will have stuff to say about both of them in the future myself, but NOT NOW.

Comments

74 Responses to “Game 78, Red Sox at Mariners”

  1. SonOfZavaras on June 24th, 2014 3:51 pm

    Thanks, Jay!

    I can’t wait until we can see a bit of Peterson. Logic says let him spend the rest of the year in AA if he hits…get him plenty of advanced-minors at bats before you dial up expectations in AAA…but how likely are the Mariners to resist temptation, do you think, if D.J. mashes from the start in Jackson?

  2. SonOfZavaras on June 24th, 2014 3:52 pm

    (GO ‘RAZMO!!)

  3. Dennisss on June 24th, 2014 4:07 pm

    I long for the good old days, when Corey Hart, with his 82 WRC+, was DH every day. At least he sorta looked like he could hit.

  4. Edward Baker on June 24th, 2014 4:21 pm

    Smoak is that kind of hitter. He has an exceptionally good sense of the strike zone, so he draws walks, and when he connects it goes a long way, but he rarely connects. Usually guys whose sense of the strike zone is that good are better than average hitters. Smoak isn´t even close.

  5. okinawadave on June 24th, 2014 4:37 pm

    Loved this line, Jay:

    “Play Smoak at first and keep with the defensive gains, leaving Morrison to DH, or play Morrison at first, take a hit on defense, and try to find an actual hitter to use at designated hitter instead of oh look here’s another lineup:


    DH John Buck

  6. MrZDevotee on June 24th, 2014 5:23 pm



    GADH John Buck

    “Glaring Absence of a Designated Hitter”

  7. Paul B on June 24th, 2014 5:34 pm

    I think there are 3 guys on the bench who, although not very good, would be a better DH than GADH Buck.

    If we had Saunders and Hart instead of Endy and Buck, this lineup would look a lot better.

    And can they just leave Smoak in Tacoma?

  8. bookbook on June 24th, 2014 5:47 pm

    Mum’s the word. The word is Mum.

  9. Shoeless Jose on June 24th, 2014 6:17 pm

    The trouble with Morrison is that he’s Yet Another Left Handed Bat. The nice thing about Hart was that he added a formidable RH bat that wasn’t automatically defeated by Safeco (the other nice thing was that he was a “buy low” acquisition that was paying off… for a while).

    When Condor comes back I assume Endy is the first one voted off outfielder island?

  10. Dennisss on June 24th, 2014 6:39 pm

    When Condor comes back, i think they should send Romero down. I know he’s a right-handed bat, but he’s a bad right-handed bat, so that doesn’t help much.

  11. Paul B on June 24th, 2014 7:02 pm

    Lloyd has a weak spot for Endy, so my guess would be if Saunders is the next one back, Montero would be voted off the island. Either him or Gillespie.

    That is not what I would do, but that is my prediction of what Lloyd will tell Z.

  12. Dennisss on June 24th, 2014 7:14 pm

    Endy is a leadoff hitter, in much the same way that Romero is a right-handed hitter.

  13. juneau_fan on June 24th, 2014 7:16 pm

    *sigh*

  14. Grayfox3d on June 24th, 2014 7:22 pm

    Do we have a long guy in the pen? I have a feeling Ramirez wont last past the 3rd inning.

  15. juneau_fan on June 24th, 2014 7:26 pm

    That has to make the Red Sox feel like crap. All that and not even a run to show for it.

  16. Eastside Suds on June 24th, 2014 7:27 pm

    Endy!!! This guy isn’t going anywhere.

  17. Don Money on June 24th, 2014 7:29 pm

    Gotta think Montero is sent down as he is so one dimensional. Tougher call between Endy and Gillespie. I’d like to see Smoak and LoMo platoon at first and dh, less wear and tear on both. Should be interesting to see what happens. Lloyd seems to really have a good feel for how he wants to use his pieces.

  18. Eastside Suds on June 24th, 2014 7:44 pm

    E-Ram is living a charmed life. Better to be lucky than good for this guy. We need more runs.

  19. Shoeless Jose on June 24th, 2014 7:53 pm

    Honestly, I’d forgotten Montero had been called up. But maybe he’s the Smoak bait, and they’ll swap outfielder for outfielder? In which case, yeah, as long as Endy keeps Endy-ing, I guess it’s Romero. Though I feel like the team owes Endy something for sticking him in the same field with Yuni.

  20. Paul B on June 24th, 2014 7:54 pm

    Before anyone gets too excited about Endy, note he is hitting leadoff with a .257 OBP.

    .306 lifetime.

    And he is 36.

  21. Grayfox3d on June 24th, 2014 7:54 pm

    -Paul

    And then he goes and hits another RBI triple.

  22. Eastside Suds on June 24th, 2014 7:54 pm

    Endy ain’t going nowhere!! Gotta love Mr. Chavez!!!

  23. Eastside Suds on June 24th, 2014 7:55 pm

    Tell that to Lloyd, Pauly

  24. Don Money on June 24th, 2014 8:00 pm

    i thought I heard a comment today that Endy is hitting around .400 when he leads off a game or inning. Who cares if he is 36, you’re not signing him to a long term contract. He just has to play his role into October!

  25. Paul B on June 24th, 2014 8:00 pm

    Pauly? Really?

    Enjoy it while it lasts, but don’t assume he should be sucking up outs all season.

  26. Don Money on June 24th, 2014 8:02 pm

    Morrison wasn’t even looking at that ball when he gloved it.

  27. mksh21 on June 24th, 2014 8:04 pm

    I have no idea what to think. The numbers aren’t anything special but Endy and Willie by not being terrible shows how if we ever got a little hitting and luck, this could be a good ball team. I guess this is what “depth” is?

    I love scoreboard watching in late June. Been way too long. Seeing Blue Jays and Mariners in contention this late is good enough for me :)

  28. californiamariner on June 24th, 2014 8:06 pm

    Ackley!! Great catch

  29. californiamariner on June 24th, 2014 8:10 pm

    Well, the runner should be out at 2nd. Cano touched the base, so Ortiz would be forced out if it wasn’t a catch.

  30. MrZDevotee on June 24th, 2014 8:12 pm

    I think when you reverse the call, the runner gets the base. It depends on if any of the umps called it a catch, in which case the runner was obligated to follow that call.

  31. kennyb on June 24th, 2014 8:13 pm

    If the M’s turn a double play here they will probably award Ortiz home.

  32. californiamariner on June 24th, 2014 8:16 pm

    Well it sounds like Taijuan Walker was really good tonight. Threw a complete game shutout. Hopefully the Mariners aren’t fooled by Erasmo lucking his way into some scoreless innings and keep Erasmo over Walker for too long.

  33. Grayfox3d on June 24th, 2014 8:18 pm

    65 pitches to get through 3 innings with 4 walks… see ya Mr. Ramirez.

  34. californiamariner on June 24th, 2014 8:25 pm

    I’m worried that the Mariners will keep Erasmo because he hasn’t been allowing runs lately. They’ll probably ignore the fact that he’s still been terrible. There’s no way he can continue this with the amount of walks he has been issuing.

  35. Eastside Suds on June 24th, 2014 8:26 pm

    Outstanding to hear Cali. Would love to see him here and E-Ram as our long guy. But, who goes down? Maybe Ramirez? Or, do we go with 13 pitchers and send Gillespie down? Should be interesting.

  36. Eastside Suds on June 24th, 2014 8:31 pm

    Was bound to end. Living on borrowed time.

  37. Kazinski on June 24th, 2014 8:34 pm

    I’m glad to see that Holt homer, just because its nuts, and undeserved, for Ramirez to be working on a 20ip scoreless streak.

  38. californiamariner on June 24th, 2014 8:35 pm

    I’m glad Erasmo gave that up if it means the Mariners will replace him with Taijuan. Hopefully they still win tonight despite Erasmo.

  39. MrZDevotee on June 24th, 2014 8:37 pm

    Glad to see an opponents homer?

    That’s just silly. Are we saying it’s not fun when the wrong guys do well?

    Or are we just programmed to expect the worst outcome based on the past few years, and don’t know how to handle different outcomes?

    I’ll take all the luck we can get. Even the BEST teams rely on luck at times.

    So why not the M’s?

    Recognizing you’re winning with smoke and mirrors doesn’t mean you have to get rid of the smoke and mirrors!

  40. Eastside Suds on June 24th, 2014 8:43 pm

    All good teams have luck. Lack of injuries, batted balls going over bases and hitting lines, balls caught at the track, diving catches, umpire calls going your way, nobody’s having “career years”…..on and on. Call it luck, Karma, Kismet, whatever. We want some!!!

  41. Eastside Suds on June 24th, 2014 8:55 pm

    Endy?? Weird.

  42. Section329 on June 24th, 2014 9:05 pm

    Seager!

  43. juneau_fan on June 24th, 2014 9:05 pm

    Sweet.

  44. JasonJ on June 24th, 2014 9:05 pm

    Boooom!

  45. Eastside Suds on June 24th, 2014 9:05 pm

    BOOM!

  46. Grayfox3d on June 24th, 2014 9:08 pm

    What a HUGE homerun! thank you Kyle Seager!!!!

  47. californiamariner on June 24th, 2014 9:08 pm

    Seager! Woohoo! It has been fun to see some offense the last 2 days. Remember when everyone was worried about Seager?

  48. Eastside Suds on June 24th, 2014 9:09 pm

    Z Man!!!

  49. msfanmike on June 24th, 2014 9:09 pm

    Whomp!!!!!

  50. californiamariner on June 24th, 2014 9:10 pm

    Zunino!!

  51. Grayfox3d on June 24th, 2014 9:10 pm

    Zunino >>> Olivo. And Zunino wont bite your ear off so that’s an added bonus.

  52. californiamariner on June 24th, 2014 9:13 pm

    The Mariners are a juggernaut.

  53. Kazinski on June 24th, 2014 9:14 pm

    I’m not just happy with Holt’s bomb, I’m even happier with Searer’s and Zunino’s.

  54. Kazinski on June 24th, 2014 9:23 pm

    Beimel hasn’t given up an HR yet in 23 innings. He’s got a career 7.6% hr/fb rate, and in 2007 gave up 1hrs in 67ip. Seems like it’s a true talent for him despite what xfip thinks.

  55. leon0112 on June 24th, 2014 9:24 pm

    Other than the A’s, everyone else is mediocre. So the Mariners have a chance to make the playoffs.

  56. Grayfox3d on June 24th, 2014 9:26 pm

    Ugh, Brad Miller keeps flashing some kind of competency at the plate, and then he strikes out a bunch, so frustrating.

  57. Eastside Suds on June 24th, 2014 9:27 pm

    No doubt, we are in this race. Wish the angels would cool off, but so enjoyable coming up the July and being relevant. Almost forgot what it felt like.

  58. leon0112 on June 24th, 2014 9:32 pm

    Imagine this team with Edgar as DH.

  59. Grayfox3d on June 24th, 2014 9:34 pm

    Leon, We were so spoiled in the late 90′s with this team, its just to bad we were never able to do much beyond winning the West.

  60. Grayfox3d on June 24th, 2014 9:52 pm

    So close LoMo! glad to see you having some good at bats.

  61. MrZDevotee on June 24th, 2014 10:08 pm

    Assuming things don’t blow up in the 9th, we just passed Oakland for fewest runs allowed in the AL… They got lit up by the Mets and lost 10-1 tonight.

    EDIT:
    Or whoops, my bad… Their 10 has already been added… So we’re 3 runs allowed behind them, at 267… Every other team has allowed over 300 runs already…

  62. californiamariner on June 24th, 2014 10:17 pm

    I wonder when is the last time the Mariners were 6 games over .500?

  63. MrZDevotee on June 24th, 2014 10:26 pm

    Cali-
    My wife and I were just wondering that… Many many years, I would think?

    Tip of the cap to these lovable hooligans.

    20 runs, to just 5 allowed, in the first 2 games back home… That’s right, AT HOME! 20 runs in 2 games…

  64. Slats on June 24th, 2014 10:30 pm

    Six games over .500 for the first time since 2009.

  65. WalterNeff on June 24th, 2014 10:31 pm

    Month of June – best team in baseball

  66. HighlightsAt11 on June 24th, 2014 11:35 pm

    Right on M’s!

    To those wishing bad on Endy and Erasmo, well boo on you too!

  67. Westside guy on June 24th, 2014 11:50 pm

    Endy is hitting .296 at lead off, if you believe that matters.

    His 2014 wRC+ is 103 leading off, -57 batting second, and -100 in the other seven positions (yes, very small sample sizes are involved).

    I think Condor should lead off when he gets back, but I’m betting Endy continues to do so.

    For what it’s worth, UZR has Endy as a neutral defender so far this year.

  68. HighlightsAt11 on June 24th, 2014 11:51 pm

    Any possibility the M’s could adapt the starter sequence so King can pitch against the A’s before the break?

  69. djw on June 25th, 2014 12:27 am

    The idea that Chavez should be on the team for five seconds longer than necessary is beyond absurd. He’s utterly useless, and has been useless for several years. That he’s put together a superficially decent month (edit–his June is not superficially decent; just a couple weeks. He’s crap) within his well-established and highly inadequate skill set isn’t useful information to anyone who understands the sport of baseball.

  70. Westside guy on June 25th, 2014 6:32 am

    I wasn’t arguing that Endy should remain on the team – I was pointing out why he likely will, though.

    My money is on Romero going down.

  71. MrZDevotee on June 25th, 2014 10:51 am

    Calling anyone on the team currently “utterly useless” is beyond absurd. Replacement level? Sure… Easily replaceable? Sure. Poor reflection of this management’s roster building? Fine.

    Utterly useless? Now THAT’s absurd, bordering on hyperbole.

  72. HighlightsAt11 on June 25th, 2014 7:30 pm

    MrZ…right on. I don’t understand some M fans. Data without a soul. Data on Star Trek showed more class.

  73. HighlightsAt11 on June 25th, 2014 7:38 pm

    Why isn’t Lomo hitting before Seager?

  74. HighlightsAt11 on June 25th, 2014 7:43 pm

    My “just kidding tag” was left off my post above.

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