Game 92, Twins at Mariners

marc w · July 10, 2014 at 5:30 pm · Filed Under Mariners 

Tom Wilhelmsen vs. Yohan Pino, 7:10pm

Depending on your point of view, this is either an interesting test of two teams pitching depth and the utility of team-wide splits, or perhaps the least major league-y MLB game of the season. Wilhelmsen and righty Yohan Pino were born ten days apart back in 1983, and have all of four major league starts between them. The former had famously retired from baseball for the life of a wanderer, bartender and itinerant dancer before breaking back into baseball thanks to elite arm strength and a plus curve ball. Pino came up in the Twins system, and had a couple of great statistical seasons as a reliever before being the PTBNL in the deal that brought Carl Pavano to the Twin Cities. Since then, he’s kicked around a number of organizations as a swing man, signing minor league free agent deals with Toronto, Cincinnati and finally Minnesota. Pino pitches around an 88-89mph fastball by throwing a lot of sliders, though he’s got a change-up he’ll throw to lefties and also the occasional curve.

Pino’s clearly not overpowering, and thankfully, he’s not even a ground baller. With last night’s loss, the M’s OPS against GB pitchers (the top 3rd in GB:FB ratio, as measured by bbref) this year is a woeful .572. The M’s are *slugging* .286 against them, and you might think that figure was a bit high after watching Kevin Correia and Kyle Gibson pitch against the M’s. Toss in the fact that Pino should have normal platoon splits thanks to the fact his best pitch is a slider, and you’ve got to like the match-up for the M’s and their lefty-heavy line-up. But while it looks good on paper, the M’s have underwhelmed in games started by unfamiliar pitchers – Colin McHugh’s debut is the best example, but Robbie Ross’ start in April, Drew Pomeranz’s start for the A’s in May, Jake Odorizzi about a week later. This isn’t scientific, and I may just be noticing it more. And hey, Kyle Gibson got knocked around by the M’s last season before dominating them this season. But the M’s are not an offensive juggernaut in Safeco, and they don’t yet know Pino’s approach. It may take them a while to solve whatever mystery there is a straight 89mph four-seam fastball. Hopefully not too long, though.

Wilhelmsen’s size, durability and pitch mix make him a natural candidate to start. After breaking camp with the M’s in 2011, he was sent down in May and resumed work as a starter for AA Jackson. As Wilhelmsen’s acknowledged, the results weren’t there, and when he returned to the big club in August, it was as a reliever. After what looked like a breakout in 2012, he started 2013 as the team’s closer, only to lose his hold on that role and then on his 25-man spot in August. Interestingly, the team had him start when he first joined the Rainiers. In his first start,* he went two innings, giving up three runs including two dingers to an Iowa Cubs line-up that…well, it’s no 2014 Iowa Cubs line-up. He then had a brilliant relief outing behind Taijuan Walker, and then made his second start at Round Rock. This time, he didn’t quite make it two innings, yielding three runs on two hits and three walks against no K’s. The M’s pulled the plug on the Wilhelmsen-as-starter experiment then, and while it didn’t solve everything – he was still hittable and had a poor RA – his K:BB ratio got a bit better. Wilhelmsen-as-starter *should* work. There’s not really a physical reason why it wouldn’t. But while the sample size is tiny, it’s also uniformly bad, at least in the upper minors. That’s not to say Wilhelmsen’s a lock to get knocked around; he wasn’t great as a *reliever* in Tacoma last year, and that hasn’t stopped him from posting a great season thus far in the American League. It’s just an odd record that’s so easy to fill in with conjecture (“He’s not mentally tough enough/he lacks confidence!”), but we’re better off avoiding that and hoping tonight’s spot start goes well.

Today’s line-up:
1: Chavez, LF
2: Jones, CF
3: Cano, 2B
4: Seager, 3B
5: Hart, DH
6: Morrison, 1B
7: Saunders, RF
8: Zunino, C
9: Bloomquist, SS
SP: Tom Wilhelmsen

The M’s bolstered their bullpen yet again today by swapping out Stephen Pryor for lefty Lucas Luetge. It’s tough to blame Pryor for a rough outing, considering it was his first big league game in over a year, and of course he wasn’t helped by the two-run error on 1B Logan Morrison, but his FB averaged 92 and he didn’t have pinpoint command.

It’s good to see Kurt Suzuki in the line-up for Twins, because the alternative would’ve meant pairing Pino with Eric Fryer. Pino and whatever you get out of Fryer just sounds like a very Minnesota thing to do, somehow. If you’re serious about pairings, of course, you move Pino to Anaheim where he could team up with Grilli and Trout, or perhaps the Marlins and Jeff Baker, but…OK, I’m done. Sorry.

Minor leaguers starting for M’s affiliates include Jimmy Gilheeney, Tyler Olson, Scott DeCecco, Blake Holovach and Jefferson Medina.

* The pitcher who relieved Wilhelmsen in that game was James Paxton, who also got knocked around. Paxton was about two weeks from turning into JAMES F@#%ING PAXTON, but was still frustratingly inconsistent and hittable. Wilhelmsen got hit pretty hard himself in AAA only to return to the big leagues again and pitch effectively. You can’t point to coaching as the decisive factor, but in a roughly two week period, the Tacoma Rainiers turned TWO strong-armed-but-frustrating hurlers into effective big leaguers. Again, there are a number of factors that go into some lesson “clicking” for a pitcher, and it may have had nothing to do with any instruction they got, but I am really, really curious what advice the two got last August.

Comments

60 Responses to “Game 92, Twins at Mariners”

  1. msfanmike on July 10th, 2014 5:50 pm

    Come on Westy, say it …

  2. Grayfox3d on July 10th, 2014 6:20 pm

    the 2001 all-star game from Seattle is on Fox Sports 1, and Jeff Nelson is currently pitching lol. Oh the memories.

  3. Westside guy on July 10th, 2014 6:48 pm

    All right! We’ve got Endy Chavez AND Willy Freaking Bloomquist in the lineup!

    The plan is simplicity itself – there’s going to be so much grit in the air, the Twins aren’t going to be able to see the ball!

  4. MrZDevotee on July 10th, 2014 6:50 pm

    C’mon Westy!

    Oh, you beat me to it… Sorry…

    Anyone else kinda feel like we should have Jack Cust in there somewhere? Or maybe Mike Sweeney?

  5. Westside guy on July 10th, 2014 6:54 pm

    Why not both, MrZ?

  6. Westside guy on July 10th, 2014 7:01 pm

    I just hope that Jack Z doesn’t somehow see Endy as the solution to left field this year. He’s only hitting a little better than Ackley, and his fielding is giving that small advantage back.

  7. Dennisss on July 10th, 2014 7:03 pm

    I’m looking forward to seeing Willie and Endy hit back-to-back homers, which will set some sort of record for the least likely thing ever.

  8. MrZDevotee on July 10th, 2014 7:06 pm

    The baseball equivalent of winning the “Power Ball” Lottery…? Eh? See what I did there? “Power Ball” as in homers AND amazing odds in gambling, as defined by Endy and Willie (probably easier to win the Power Ball Lottery, actually)…

  9. Sowulo on July 10th, 2014 8:01 pm

    If you have to explain your joke, best to leave it unsaid…..

  10. MrZDevotee on July 10th, 2014 8:04 pm

    Wait, you thought I was joking?

  11. Westside guy on July 10th, 2014 8:07 pm

    Come on Willie! Grit one out of the ballpark!

  12. Grayfox3d on July 10th, 2014 8:23 pm

    wow, nice one there Hart.

  13. Westside guy on July 10th, 2014 8:23 pm

    I do not heart Corey Hart.

  14. msfanmike on July 10th, 2014 8:24 pm

    Hart struck out. Stunning.

    A really poor mans Richie Sexson. At least this year he is.

  15. Eastside Suds on July 10th, 2014 8:34 pm

    Or is it Sexton? LOL I am sober tonight thank you very much!

  16. Eastside Suds on July 10th, 2014 8:35 pm

    “We’ve got Endy Chavez AND Willy Freaking Bloomquist in the lineup!”….this speaks volumes about our offense, sadly.

  17. msfanmike on July 10th, 2014 8:37 pm

    88 right down Broadway and Saunders watched it. What was he waiting for – with 2 strikes!

  18. Westside guy on July 10th, 2014 8:49 pm

    Hey it’s that Kendrys Morales guy people were briefly freaking out over.

  19. Westside guy on July 10th, 2014 8:50 pm

    Well that was an ugly sequence.

  20. Westside guy on July 10th, 2014 8:53 pm

    I’m looking at the Mariners 2014 lineup WAR totals on FanGraphs, and I have absolutely no clue how this team can have a winning record.

    It has to have been 99.9% pitching and defense.

  21. Eastside Suds on July 10th, 2014 9:02 pm

    That was all your fault on the Morales double Westy. Reverse Mojo!

  22. Westside guy on July 10th, 2014 9:03 pm

    Yeah I seem to have a talent for reverse mojo/curses.

  23. Westside guy on July 10th, 2014 9:04 pm

    Corey Hart is gonna strike out.

  24. Eastside Suds on July 10th, 2014 9:05 pm

    Hopefully, a different name will be penciled in at the DH spot after the break, Hart is not the answer obviously.

  25. Westside guy on July 10th, 2014 9:06 pm

    I need to find a way to curse Hart that doesn’t leave any wiggle room.

  26. kfrei2 on July 10th, 2014 9:11 pm

    How long is Hart’s leash on this team? His wOBA, wRC+ and ISO are all worse than Smoak’s. I understand small sample size and all, but my patience for DHs that hit like pitchers was exhausted about three years ago.

  27. msfanmike on July 10th, 2014 9:21 pm

    I can probably come up with a few suggestions for you, Westy. But you are not the “cussing out” type … Stick to your strengths.

  28. Dennisss on July 10th, 2014 9:38 pm

    I’m sort of rooting for them to load the bases with two outs for Corey Hart. As my hopes of a win fade, maybe something gruesome to laugh at is the best hope for entertainment.

  29. Eastside Suds on July 10th, 2014 9:44 pm

    What was the over-under for number of men left on base for Hart tonight?

  30. juneau_fan on July 10th, 2014 9:44 pm

    I may just have a freakin’ breakdown.

  31. Eastside Suds on July 10th, 2014 9:49 pm

    Little over aggressive there down two runs. Tough to tag 2nd to 3rd on a ball to left. Especially if it is cut by the 3rd basemen. Tough play for the M’s.

  32. msfanmike on July 10th, 2014 9:49 pm

    The Hart over/under is measured in “small suburbs.”

  33. msfanmike on July 10th, 2014 9:51 pm

    Hart spared the embarrassment of having to hit with runners on.

    And dumb play by Jones. Bad decision, worse slide.

  34. MrZDevotee on July 10th, 2014 9:52 pm

    Jones? Jeesh… Why? You’re in scoring position.

    Why?

    (If you say you thought you had a better chance of scoring by causing a throwing error and getting an extra base, than by Corey Hart driving you in, I’d probably buy that answer…)

  35. Dennisss on July 10th, 2014 9:54 pm

    Tough night for Jones. Also got picked off and misjudged a ball over his head.

  36. Eastside Suds on July 10th, 2014 10:00 pm

    Oh sure…now????

  37. Westside guy on July 10th, 2014 10:00 pm

    Hey there! I was drawing a blank, but Hart saved me the trouble!

    Nice hit, Corey!

  38. Dennisss on July 10th, 2014 10:01 pm

    Beat me to the punch, Eastside. The M’s clutch hitting magic is turning on them.

  39. Westside guy on July 10th, 2014 10:02 pm

    LoMo, just don’t claim you gave it all you had. We heard enough of that from your predecessor.

  40. Westside guy on July 10th, 2014 10:03 pm

    Damn lefty strike zone.

    Oh dear Lord no. We can’t afford to lose Condor.

  41. juneau_fan on July 10th, 2014 10:05 pm

    I think I shall very quietly turn this game off.

  42. Grayfox3d on July 10th, 2014 10:06 pm

    I was going to say something snarky about this game but it’s useless, the team speaks for itself.

  43. msfanmike on July 10th, 2014 10:06 pm

    Nice two strike approach by Ackley, though. Great situational awareness.

    Saunders gets the K, but come on Dustin – at least look like you understand the situation.

  44. Westside guy on July 10th, 2014 10:09 pm

    Maybe they need to tell Saunders to never check his swing.

  45. Westside guy on July 10th, 2014 10:14 pm

    The team should think of the fans and option Dustin Ackley.

    To Bulgaria.

  46. Eastside Suds on July 10th, 2014 10:16 pm

    Ackley should be the next to go. I think Lloyd is totally fed up. If we get anyone in a trade, Dustin will be sent packing back to Tacoma or other parts unknown.

  47. Westside guy on July 10th, 2014 10:17 pm

    Jeff Sullivan: “if the Mariners have a BB gun offense then removing Michael Saunders is like bending the barrel 90 degrees”

  48. Grayfox3d on July 10th, 2014 10:19 pm

    Way to put up a fight in the 9th.

  49. msfanmike on July 10th, 2014 10:23 pm

    The moral of this story may be to not fuck with team morale after a win when Morales is in town.

    Either that or they just stink. 12 hits – 2 runs … A day after 11 hits and 1 run. That’s horrible.

  50. The_Waco_Kid on July 11th, 2014 12:08 am

    I think it’s fair to say this is the sixth consecutive season Jack Z has assembled a minor league offense.

  51. Westside guy on July 11th, 2014 12:17 am

    Michael Saunders will undergo an MRI tomorrow for a possible rib injury.

  52. msfanmike on July 11th, 2014 9:04 am

    Rib or rib cartilage/ligament? Feels like a deep muscle strain at first but it’s not the worst injury in the world and usually resolves pretty quickly. If that is what he injured, he probably won’t play this weekend, but he should be ready by the time league play resumes next Friday. The intercostal muscle is a pretty popular rib cage/rotation injury. I can certainly see a baseball player hurting it. A lot of people do.

    If Saunders can’t play, don’t you think the Mariners have to move down a reliever and bring up a position player so they have some semblance of a bench for the next 3 games? Felix and Kuma better both plan on going 8 innings. No big deal. Right?

  53. Westside guy on July 11th, 2014 10:02 am

    Nah, they’ll just move forward with a starting outfield of Endy, Willy, and Jones – with Ackley as the only backup. :-D

    I hope you’re right and Saunders’ injury isn’t serious. This team can’t really afford to lose him.

    So I’m guessing we see Romero again if Saunders goes on the DL. I’d rather have Gillespie, but Toronto probably isn’t going to give him back.

  54. msfanmike on July 11th, 2014 10:29 am

    I was thinking Romero or Almonte … and then just gave up thinking.

    It will probably be Smoak to 1B with Hart and Lomo sharing OF/DH duties if Saunders has to be DL’d.

    Wouldn’t that be great.

    Awesome OF depth to choose from, though. Awesome.

  55. Westside guy on July 11th, 2014 10:35 am

    “Hart and LoMo sharing OF/DH duties”

    Yeah that’ll work. Two guys with bad knees being run into the ground… er, outfield.

  56. Woodcutta on July 11th, 2014 2:16 pm

    Almonte has been hitting (.833 OPS last 28 days) at AAA so I wouldn’t mind giving him another shot. Since he was sent down he has increased his AAA batting average ~60 points (after a horrible May) which could mean he has made adjustments.

  57. HighlightsAt11 on July 11th, 2014 2:22 pm

    Almonte for Hart. Vote now.

  58. Westside guy on July 11th, 2014 2:42 pm

    Saunders has been put on the DL with a strained left oblique muscle.

    The corresponding move was to bring Smoak back up. Try to contain your excitement.

  59. Woodcutta on July 11th, 2014 3:14 pm

    What? Can this team survive the LoMo, Hart, Smoak, Chavez, and WFB Fab Five?

  60. msfanmike on July 11th, 2014 3:43 pm

    I am really glad to have guessed correctly on this. I doubt I can find the words to accurately convey my excitement because I sure loves me some Skoak. Woo-hoo!!!

    Almonte has improved since his horrible May and Montero has had a couple 5-hit games in the past 7-8 day and Smoak hit 2 home runs the other day and .. It doesn’t much matter because it’s been hard for any of these guys to make much of an impact at the MLB level.

    Baseball is hard.

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