Game 123, Mariners at Phillies

marc w · August 18, 2014 at 2:22 pm · Filed Under Mariners 

Roenis Elias vs. Jerome Williams, 4:05 pm
Wild Card Odds – Fangraphs.com: 50.1%. Baseballprospectus.com: 52.4%

The M’s head to Philadelphia with their wildcard odds now north of 50%. They face righty Jerome Williams, a pitcher they know well from his time with the Angels and Astros. Williams is now on his third team of the year; he started with Houston, was DFA’d and picked up by the injury-ravaged Rangers, got cut again, and was picked up this month by Philadelphia.

He’s had HR problems – issues that predate his move to hitter-friendly parks. This isn’t really a left/right issue; while his K:BB ratio is abysmal vs. lefties, righties have hit more dingers. It’s not really an arsenal thing – like an journeyman worth his salt, Williams is always tinkering, and throws 4-5 different pitches regularly. It’s…it’s just that whatever magic he had for reducing HRs and getting himself to the bigs appears to have expired in 2011.

That and a declining GB rate, which makes his higher than average HR/FB rate untenable.

1: Jackson, CF
2: Ackley, LF
3: Cano, 2B
4: Morales, 1B
5: Seager, 3B
6: Zunino, C
7: Morrison, RF
8: Taylor, SS
SP: Elias

Elias replaces James Jones on the active roster.

Comments

55 Responses to “Game 123, Mariners at Phillies”

  1. Paul B on August 18th, 2014 2:49 pm

    Defense took a hit at 2 spots, I see. Ouch.

  2. Westside guy on August 18th, 2014 3:10 pm

    If it’s anything like last season, Morales will have to have a few days off in a row to recover from having to play first base.

  3. Dennisss on August 18th, 2014 3:29 pm

    When you have to put Logan Morrison in right field so that you can keep his 80 WRC+ “bat” in the lineup, you know that there’s still room to do a little tinkering with the roster.

  4. kfrei2 on August 18th, 2014 4:10 pm

    I don’t understand why the lineup tinkering was necessary. Why not just leave the lineup alone and have Morales ready to pinch hit for Elias when he comes out?

  5. Paul B on August 18th, 2014 4:12 pm

    Nice to see Ackley with a solid hit.

  6. californiamariner on August 18th, 2014 4:20 pm

    Elias feels like a good matchup against the Phillies with their best hitters being left handed.

  7. Paul B on August 18th, 2014 4:20 pm

    If you thought Kendrys was your cleanup hitter, the best power hitter on the team, then you would think tinkering with the lineup made good sense.

  8. seattleslew on August 18th, 2014 4:24 pm

    Walking Ryan Howard? Come on.

  9. BoomBoom on August 18th, 2014 4:40 pm

    Austin Jackson, Major League Center Fielder.

  10. Paul B on August 18th, 2014 4:46 pm

    That WAS a good catch.

  11. mksh21 on August 18th, 2014 4:56 pm

    Why does it seem every time Jerome Williams crawls out of a hole to pitch in the majors he absolutely baffles the Mariners?

  12. californiamariner on August 18th, 2014 4:58 pm

    I had to go look at Austin Jackson’s defensive numbers. They aren’t all that impressive, but he seems like a god out there after getting used to the circus of the couple years.

  13. Grayfox3d on August 18th, 2014 5:12 pm

    So Mariners its gonna be one of those games, After a huge weekend in Detroit, coming out of the gate flat as paper against A not so good Philly team.

  14. Grayfox3d on August 18th, 2014 5:20 pm

    Might of been better off calling up Ramirez for this start…

  15. californiamariner on August 18th, 2014 5:24 pm

    Pretty fortunate that Elias only gave up 1 run in 4 innings despite walking 6 and hitting 1. Have to wonder if Walker replaces him at some point.

  16. Grayfox3d on August 18th, 2014 5:27 pm

    Cali, I think Elias gets sent down after this game TBH, that was a horrible showing tonight especially given the scenario that we are in. Plus he’s around 140 innings, so no use letting him get tired/worn out and risking any more poor performances.

  17. Westside guy on August 18th, 2014 5:27 pm

    Remember, this is the roster Lloyd is worried about “upsetting the apple cart” if Saunders comes back. A roster where LoMo is playing right field.

  18. Grayfox3d on August 18th, 2014 5:32 pm

    Giving away free outs every chance possible, on offense and pitching.

  19. californiamariner on August 18th, 2014 5:34 pm

    So Elias hits with 2 outs and then Leone replaces him before he throws another pitch. Got it.

  20. msfanmike on August 18th, 2014 5:37 pm

    Saunders had better be on a fucking red-eye flight to Philly tonight. Who in the hell starts LoMo on RF – and Kendrys at 1B in a National League park?

    And if that isn’t bad enough, who sends LoMo on the front end of a hit and run – and decides to let Elias hit in a one run game even though he is NOT going out to pitch the following inning.

    Who the fuck does that horsehit on purpose?

  21. msfanmike on August 18th, 2014 5:38 pm

    Shitty process

  22. msfanmike on August 18th, 2014 5:39 pm

    Ass clownery

  23. Grayfox3d on August 18th, 2014 5:39 pm

    Mike, I can sum up your question with two letters

    L.M.

  24. Eastside Suds on August 18th, 2014 5:40 pm

    No use in waisting a PH in the 5th inning with nobody on. It made sense. Really amazing that Elias gave up only one run with that poor performance.

  25. californiamariner on August 18th, 2014 5:42 pm

    Wasting a PH? An out in the 4th isn’t any less important than an out later in the game. You have 4 guys on the bench to use as pinch hitters (3 if you don’t wanna use the catcher). The only thing that was wasted was an out by letting Elias hit.

  26. Eastside Suds on August 18th, 2014 5:42 pm

    Well…this one is over. Crap

  27. msfanmike on August 18th, 2014 5:42 pm

    Huh, stunning development. Everything else was king so well, it’s hard to believe that happened. Serves your stupid-asses right … Lloyd and Jack.

    Fix the roster tonight.

  28. Grayfox3d on August 18th, 2014 5:43 pm

    This is the definition of playing down to our opponents level.

  29. msfanmike on August 18th, 2014 5:44 pm

    “Going so well” … Not whatever came out above.

  30. Eastside Suds on August 18th, 2014 5:50 pm

    This game was really a must-win with Hamels pitching on Wednesday. Crap!

  31. msfanmike on August 18th, 2014 5:56 pm

    Ah, don’t worry Eastside. LoMo will give the fellas a head-first sliding demonstration and keep everyone’s mood light – after the sweep.

  32. seattleslew on August 18th, 2014 5:56 pm

    And we’re back to Mariners baseball.

  33. msfanmike on August 18th, 2014 5:58 pm

    I have been spontaneously yelling “fuck” every so often for the past three hours. That was right around the time I saw tonight’s starting lineup.

    Can’t take a bullshit slow-pitch softball lineup into a Natuonal Leage park. Can’t do it! Pisses me off!!

  34. msfanmike on August 18th, 2014 6:03 pm

    And the amount of time between spontaneous intervals seems to be decreasing at an increasing rate.

  35. californiamariner on August 18th, 2014 6:11 pm

    Seattle Mariners: kindly supporting the big league careers of Jerome Williams and Hector Noesi.

  36. Grayfox3d on August 18th, 2014 6:14 pm

    Jerome Williams, Hector Noesi, Yohan Pino, just a few names of pitchers who have been able to channel their inner Cy Young when facing the Mariners, and then look like Miguel Batista vs every one else.

  37. Westside guy on August 18th, 2014 6:22 pm

    Grady Sizemore and Endy Chavez are now both in the game!

    Combined ages: 69!
    Combined UZR: -69!

    (Just kidding…)

  38. Grayfox3d on August 18th, 2014 6:24 pm

    I’d take Sizemore over Chavez.

  39. msfanmike on August 18th, 2014 6:27 pm

    Atta boy, Ackley.

  40. Westside guy on August 18th, 2014 6:27 pm

    Fangraphs has them about even for the year… -0.3 WAR for Endy, -0.4 WAR for Grady.

    I am actually a bit surprised by Endy’s numbers since he’s been hitting above his weight for a while.

  41. Westside guy on August 18th, 2014 6:28 pm

    Wow, Ackley! Maybe this really is for real this time… Although August hasn’t really been great, now that I look it up.

  42. Grayfox3d on August 18th, 2014 6:29 pm

    And then Cano does that…F@!#)(*&%@#<KJS

  43. msfanmike on August 18th, 2014 6:31 pm

    No need to fear, Kendrys is here!

    I would rather have “Underdog” hitting.

    No sense placing Seager in this spot. None whatsoever. Good process.

  44. msfanmike on August 18th, 2014 6:31 pm

    Tada!!!

  45. Grayfox3d on August 18th, 2014 6:31 pm

    nice try Mariners, way to put that extra effort forward this game.

    (sarcasm off)

  46. Westside guy on August 18th, 2014 6:32 pm

    Ugh.

  47. msfanmike on August 18th, 2014 6:33 pm

    Ackley is good when he hits up the middle and oppo. He had been getting a bit pull happy lately. Looks like he made an adjustment today.

  48. Westside guy on August 18th, 2014 6:35 pm

    Okay, I really need to see Ackley hit decently for more than 31 days before I’ll buy into him turning it around. He’s had too many short bursts where he looks fixed, only to suck again afterward.

    I want to believe, though. Honestly, I really do. Let’s see him hit for the next five or six weeks…

  49. msfanmike on August 18th, 2014 6:47 pm

    Or, remove the 30 days of June – and see where he would be.

    He is going to end up being a 2 WAR player this year – and ultimately show a step forward from last season in terms of progress. I know its nothing to write home about, but progress is being made.

  50. msfanmike on August 18th, 2014 7:01 pm

    Ackley at 1B, Saunders in LF and Denorfia in RF – tomorrow. Doesn’t matter who is pitching for Philly. Use some athletes tomorrow! And get Zunino to stop trying to hit everything out of the yard every time he swings.

    If/When you need an automatic out – PH Morales.

  51. Seattleguy527 on August 18th, 2014 7:50 pm

    I’ve seen a few people mention Ackley at 1B. Have they been working him out there? I know he played there in college but if he hasn’t been getting reps would they really just throw him out there cold? I’m not necessarily opposed to it, just curious.

  52. Westside guy on August 18th, 2014 9:08 pm

    In 21 games as a Mariner, Kendrys Morales is hitting .215/.281/.342. Nope, Lloyd, you can’t have anyone getting their timing back up with the big league club – isn’t that what you said? You can’t be giving away August at bats – did I say that right?

  53. Grayfox3d on August 18th, 2014 10:50 pm

    it’s to bad that not one of us has enough voice to confront Lloyd about his lame lineups and have him actually listen.

  54. stevemotivateir on August 19th, 2014 7:12 am

    Westy, that was completely unfair. You should know that only applies to the specific players he doesn’t like as much.

    I missed the game last night, but I was surprised to see that lineup. Llyod knows as well as anyone that pitching and defense has gotten them this far. In fact, he himself has said that more than once.

    So why change course now? I hope he learned from that.

  55. Westside guy on August 19th, 2014 12:25 pm

    Seattleguy527, Ackley has not worked out at first this year, as far as I know – but he has played first base 19 games (or parts of them, anyway) as a Mariner in the past.

    I’m not necessarily advocating for him to be there, given he’s a decent left fielder… but he could almost certainly do it if Lloyd’s Magic Pencil decided to put him there.

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